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    From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 4 20:30:28 2023
    The planting is almost done . All that's left is the okra and maybe
    some Anaheim peppers if I can find seedlings . So far I have planted/transplanted : Strawberries , potatoes , onions (green and bulb)
    , tomatoes (4 each of 6 varieties) , pumpkins , zucchini , yellow and
    acorn squash and watermelons .green beans , red beets , spinach (beets
    and spinach make great salad greens) , bell peppers , and a block of
    corn 3 rows 16 feet long . I have 20 feet of row space left , 8 of that
    is for okra , the rest ... well who knows ! This is in ~1,000 square
    feet , the remainder of the 1600 sf of fenced space is for bees and blackberry/blueberry plants .
    I had my soil analyzed a couple of months ago , report was nitrogen deficiency - probably at least partly due to the heavy straw mulch I've
    been doing for weed/grass control . My go-to -girl at the co-op sez
    since I want to stay "organic" - limited chemicals because bees , 9
    hives now - I should use blood meal . That alone should make a big
    difference over last year . I have started using 13/13/13 on many recommendations because what I've been doing isn't maintaining the soil
    . Gotta find a good source of cow shit cuz rabbits ain't cuttin' it and
    my chickens don't produce enough .
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    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Dan Purgert@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri May 5 10:29:48 2023
    On 2023-05-05, Snag wrote:

    [...]
    I had my soil analyzed a couple of months ago , report was nitrogen deficiency - probably at least partly due to the heavy straw mulch I've
    been doing for weed/grass control . My go-to -girl at the co-op sez
    since I want to stay "organic" - limited chemicals because bees , 9
    hives now - I should use blood meal . That alone should make a big
    difference over last year . I have started using 13/13/13 on many recommendations because what I've been doing isn't maintaining the
    soil.

    Maybe up your beans / peas / other legumes, and inoculate their rows
    with rhizobia bacteria, so they can do better at fixing N down at
    the root. Just don't forget to leave the roots in the beds so as they
    break down, the N is still plant-available next time.

    Also I have read that annuals with long taproots can also help bring "sequestered" elements closer to the surface for our more shallow-rooted vegetables. Granted, I've never tried this myself -- but more that I'm
    doing a lot of reading in general, and have always wondered why "nature" doesn't need us to constantly be feeding the forests/wetlands/etc.
    (obviously, there is a bit of "we've also 'engineered' these plants for generations to get traits that are probably the plant equivalent to
    Pugs).

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Dan Purgert on Fri May 5 07:59:41 2023
    Dan Purgert wrote:
    ...
    Maybe up your beans / peas / other legumes, and inoculate their rows
    with rhizobia bacteria, so they can do better at fixing N down at
    the root. Just don't forget to leave the roots in the beds so as they
    break down, the N is still plant-available next time.

    Also I have read that annuals with long taproots can also help bring "sequestered" elements closer to the surface for our more shallow-rooted vegetables. Granted, I've never tried this myself -- but more that I'm
    doing a lot of reading in general, and have always wondered why "nature" doesn't need us to constantly be feeding the forests/wetlands/etc. (obviously, there is a bit of "we've also 'engineered' these plants for generations to get traits that are probably the plant equivalent to
    Pugs).

    for some bean plants they've certainly been reduced in
    how much they may nodulate (innoculated or not). i have
    several varieties of beans that nodulate well and others
    that don't (planted in the same gardens).

    i suspect that Snag has some other issues going on with
    his setup that we're not aware of because IMO with chickens
    and rabbits that should be plenty of additional nutrients,
    but without being there and seeing what they are doing i
    can't tell what's up.

    perhaps he could manage his resources in a more pointed
    way to get better results? i dunno.

    i do know that just scatterings stuff and tilling it in
    may not be the best approach. it may also be the case
    that it is being done at the wrong time or something else
    is going on (mostly sand on a hill or nutrients leeching
    away, not enough light, ...).

    i do not grow corn here (waste of time and effort with
    how many raccoons we have around) but perhaps he can find
    a less demanding variety or something? like i say, i
    dunno...


    songbird

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