• ground cover fabric

    From T@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 5 22:16:52 2024
    Hi All,

    When you guys use ground cover fabric to keep the weeds
    down, what do you use to secure the fabric to the ground?

    Many thanks,
    -T

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 6 07:05:44 2024
    T wrote:
    Hi All,

    When you guys use ground cover fabric to keep the weeds
    down, what do you use to secure the fabric to the ground?

    i prefer not use it at all, plain cardboard overlapping
    layers instead and hold it down with wood chip mulch, every
    few years the mulch will need some topping off and perhaps
    if the weeds are stubborn you might need to scrape the mulch
    back and replace the cardboard, but it depends upon if the
    weeds seem to be coming through or not.

    in places in some perennial gardens and around some trees
    we've done weed barrier fabric or other things (old carpeting)
    and pretty much it's become a mess that is now getting over-
    grown with weeds because it will take way too much work to
    redo it - an eventual mess IMO. some weed barrier fabrics
    break down so to remove them means picking all those pieces
    out. bleah... at least with cardboard it will rot away to
    humus along with some of the woodchips and then it becomes
    a valuable garden amendment.

    we put rocks or pieces of wood along the edges to hold it
    down if it won't stay in place.

    we don't have termite problems or fire risks here to worry
    too much about wood mulches. we do have the black carpenter
    ants so i do have to keep an eye out for them coming too
    close to the house and trying to set up new colonies in the
    walls. it's taken me nearly 30 years to get most of the
    cracks caulked up so they aren't coming in the house, but
    there's some places i can't get to so ...


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jun 6 19:51:14 2024
    On 6/6/24 04:05, songbird wrote:
    wood chip mulch

    Has to

    1) withstand walking on
    2) withstand 104 mile per Hour winds
    3) be fireproof

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 6 22:09:12 2024
    On 6/6/24 19:51, T wrote:
    On 6/6/24 04:05, songbird wrote:
    wood chip mulch

    Has to

    1) withstand walking on
    2) withstand 104 mile per Hour winds
    3) be fireproof

    Also, mulch on top of fabric beaks down in a few years
    and become the ideal medium for weeds.

    I just found out that any perennials under the cover
    will poke through too. I am sensing that covering
    is a bad idea.

    The goal is to control blowing dust.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 7 08:19:46 2024
    T wrote:
    ...
    Also, mulch on top of fabric beaks down in a few years
    and become the ideal medium for weeds.

    at that point it becomes a garden amendment material
    and is replaced by new wood chips.

    but for your application it won't work.


    I just found out that any perennials under the cover
    will poke through too. I am sensing that covering
    is a bad idea.

    not if they're dead. if you do it right (a few layers
    of overlapping cardboard and a thick layer of wood chips
    on top will smother most perennials within a year, by
    the next year any that still have any energy left in
    their root systems you pull back the wood chips, cut off
    what is growing and repeat the process, i've not had any
    perennial weeds that survive into the third year if kept
    cut off and smothered for those first two years. we've
    also put the cardboard layers under weed barrier fabric
    and that also helps defeat persistent perennial weeds.


    The goal is to control blowing dust.

    upwind wind breaks, large rocks, walls, substantial
    fencing, direct 100+ winds aren't going to be deterred
    by anything minor. even a very sturdy tree is going
    to have a hard time standing up to that.

    basically at that point the overall siting of the
    place would be critical and i'd not want it put out
    in the open and otherwise be in the lee of a hill or
    some other natural features.

    with fire risk trying to grow trees as a windbreak
    only works if the they are able to be planted quite a
    ways upwind.

    improperly designed wind breaks can act as a channel
    and in the case of fires that would be like a potential
    blow torch, so that's far outside my experience.

    for 100+ MPH dust storms you're not going to control
    that, you just have to build to survive that
    structurally and if you do put up wind breaks you
    probably need to think in terms of how they would
    respond to such large events. sand blown with that
    much force is going to scour pretty much anything
    growing - it'd have to be very tough to survive
    that...


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 7 14:13:11 2024
    On 6/7/24 14:11, T wrote:
    On 6/5/24 22:16, T wrote:
    Hi All,

    When you guys use ground cover fabric to keep the weeds
    down, what do you use to secure the fabric to the ground?

    Many thanks,
    -T


    I have come up with a workaround.

    The goal was weed control and keeping
    blowing dust down.

    The weed control I will be using is hydrolyzed corn
    gluten:
       https://getlawnbright.com/products/organic-crabgrass-control
    And it is Organic certified.

    You can read how this works over at

    https://www.hort.iastate.edu/horticulture-research/corn-gluten-meal-research/

    Basically, it works by making a sealant over the seeds, blocking them
    from germinating.

    And, checking with the manufacturer, the sealant action does
    keep blowing dust down.

    I will have to spray several times
    a year, but I am going to have to do that anyway.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 7 14:11:15 2024
    On 6/5/24 22:16, T wrote:
    Hi All,

    When you guys use ground cover fabric to keep the weeds
    down, what do you use to secure the fabric to the ground?

    Many thanks,
    -T


    I have come up with a workaround.

    The goal was weed control and keeping
    blowing dust down.

    The weed control I will be using is hydrolyzed corn
    gluten:
    https://getlawnbright.com/products/organic-crabgrass-control
    And it is Organic certified.

    You can read how this works over at

    https://www.hort.iastate.edu/horticulture-research/corn-gluten-meal-research/

    Basically, it works by making a sealant over the seeds, blocking them
    from germinating.

    And, checking with the manufacturer, the sealant action does
    keep blowing dust down.

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  • From Best Fabric Sofa@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 9 01:45:03 2024
    For securing ground cover fabric, I usually go for garden staples or pins. They're easy to use—just push them through the fabric and into the ground. Plus, they hold everything down pretty well, even in windy weather. Sometimes I'll also toss a few
    rocks or bricks on top for extra security, especially around the edges. It's all about finding what works best for your setup!

    You can visit https://bestfabricsofa.com/ for more useful tips and advice.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Best Fabric Sofa on Sat Jun 8 23:57:29 2024
    On 6/8/24 18:45, Best Fabric Sofa wrote:
    For securing ground cover fabric, I usually go for garden staples or
    pins. They're easy to use—just push them through the fabric and into the ground. Plus, they hold everything down pretty well, even in windy
    weather. Sometimes I'll also toss a few rocks or bricks on top for extra security, especially around the edges. It's all about finding what works
    best for your setup!

    You can visit https://bestfabricsofa.com/ for more useful tips and advice.



    Pins won't work. The ground is very, very hard and full on
    lake bottom rocks.

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