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    From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 15 15:29:22 2017
    I am a beginner reading "Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go" and on page 31 Kageyama says "... when there are two ways to capture with one move,
    the firmer way is correct."

    What makes for a "firm" move, is it just a move that reduces a group's liberties?

    Secondly, why is the firmer move the better move (for example, Black 1 in diagram 8 on page 30)?


    Thanks,
    Patrick

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  • From Bernhard Kraft@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 10:34:27 2017
    Am 16.11.2017 um 00:29 schrieb [email protected]:
    I am a beginner reading "Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go" and on page 31 Kageyama says "... when there are two ways to capture with one move,
    the firmer way is correct."

    What makes for a "firm" move, is it just a move that reduces a group's liberties?

    Secondly, why is the firmer move the better move (for example, Black 1 in diagram 8 on page 30)?



    Explenation of page 30:

    a) Capture the stone by atari?

    look here:
    http://goban.co/boards/1393

    or
    b) Capture the stone by geta?

    look here:
    http://goban.co/boards/1392

    Kageyama thinks that capturing by atari is firm.

    It is not easy to understand, because in both ways
    a geta captures, but in case a) the three black stones
    are connected.

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  • From Robert Jasiek@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Nov 17 18:53:01 2017
    [email protected] wrote:
    I am a beginner reading "Lessons in the Fundamentals of Go" and on page 31 >Kageyama says "... when there are two ways to capture with one move,
    the firmer way is correct."

    The book does not answer the question, except for the special case
    decision between 1. net, 2. ladder. Later the book addresses the topic
    again but fails to provide the general advice. Simply speaking for a
    capture, the advice should be: 1. capture using the fewest moves, 2.
    capture so that then also the opponent has the fewest forcing moves
    against your stones.

    In a broader sense, however, firm moves need not be captures. Moves
    building strong shape can also be called firm. They are the firmer the
    stronger the shape becomes, meaning better connected and more alive.
    Note that shapes should also be built efficiently: the slowest
    connection move might not be the best improvement for eye potential.
    This should suffice for you as a beginner, but I have also defined
    degrees of (better) connection and life. Just saying... So that you
    know that Kageyama was right is spirit but lacking in details and
    definitions.

    More on these topics you find in the books Joseki 1 Fundamentals,
    First Fundamentals (and in other books above your current level).

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