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  • [slashem] Identified silver spears don't stack?

    From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 27 04:27:58 2022
    I wonder why these silver spears don't stack, or only partly stack.

    r - 2 +0 silver spears {72}
    L - a +0 silver spear {36}

    Both identified, none was from a polymorph. Dropping individually
    and picking them up retains that separation. Could a cancel-zap -
    though not sure I've done that - result in that effect?

    Maybe I'm going to cancel the whole stack and see what happens...

    Janis

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  • From Pat Rankin@21:1/5 to Janis on Sat Mar 5 12:51:21 2022
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:28:02 PM UTC-8, Janis wrote:
    I wonder why these silver spears don't stack, or only partly stack.
    r - 2 +0 silver spears {72}
    L - a +0 silver spear {36}
    Both identified, none was from a polymorph. Dropping individually
    and picking them up retains that separation. Could a cancel-zap -
    though not sure I've done that - result in that effect?

    If one of the stacks came from wishing and the player
    who made the wish included 'fixed' or 'rustproof' out of
    habit, that stack wouldn't match with other similar
    items even though rustproof isn't relevant for them so
    isn't shown when the item gets formatted for inventory
    display. Internally one stack would be flagged as
    erosion-proof and the other wouldn't so they would not
    be compatible for stacking.

    But that seems unlikely here. I can't imagine you
    wishing for spears and I assume if you were using
    Hearse to get access to other player's bones files you
    would have said so. I suppose that if one stack came
    from a special level, the level definition could be forcing
    erosion-proof but that also seems unlikely.

    I don't think cancellation will strip off rustproof but I'm
    not sure about that. I do think enchanting via confused
    reading of cursed scroll will do that though.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Pat Rankin on Sun Mar 6 01:17:56 2022
    On 05.03.2022 21:51, Pat Rankin wrote:
    On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:28:02 PM UTC-8, Janis wrote:
    I wonder why these silver spears don't stack, or only partly stack.
    r - 2 +0 silver spears {72}
    L - a +0 silver spear {36}
    Both identified, none was from a polymorph. Dropping individually
    and picking them up retains that separation. Could a cancel-zap -
    though not sure I've done that - result in that effect?

    [...] I can't imagine you
    wishing for spears and I assume if you were using
    Hearse to get access to other player's bones files you
    would have said so.

    All assumptions are correct.

    I'm playing locally, only own bones files would qualify as source.
    An idea was that a bones heap with the Holy Spear of Light could
    have produced the base item erode-proof if case the artifact was
    already existing somewhere in the dungeons, but strings|grep'ing
    my files in the Nethack playground should then have shown that
    artifact (and it's non-existing in the game).

    I suppose that if one stack came
    from a special level, the level definition could be forcing
    erosion-proof but that also seems unlikely.

    Could a randomly generated silver spear get an erode-proof flag set?

    Janis

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  • From Pat Rankin@21:1/5 to Janis on Sun Mar 6 10:09:39 2022
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 4:17:59 PM UTC-8, Janis wrote:
    Could a randomly generated silver spear get an erode-proof flag set?

    I don't think so. Either all of them would, or none; that isn't a
    randomly assigned attribute. Maybe slash'em has a prayer
    reward or other uncommon event that sets weapons or other
    items erodeproof and you got that while carrying one of the
    two stacks?

    Lawful minions have their starting inventory become blessed
    and erodeproof, but I can't see where any of them are given
    silver spears or random weapons that might happen to be
    spears. Fake player undead slayer's get silver spear(s) in
    starting inventory, but they aren't lawful minions and there
    isn't any attribute manipulation for their gear that I can see.

    Is there a technique that makes a thrown weapon behave like
    a throw-and-return weapon (boomerangs; Mjollnir for Valkyries;
    in nethack 3.6+, ordinary aklys when thrown while wielded)?
    The original pickup_thrown patch had a bug with items that
    get thrown and then added back into inventory without being
    explicitly picked up and slash'em is probably affected by it.
    Having the item-was-thrown flag set on one stack and not the
    other would prevent merging. But that issue would go away if
    you dropped the flagged stack and picked it up again, which
    you're bound to have tried already.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Pat Rankin on Sun Mar 6 19:48:26 2022
    On 06.03.2022 19:09, Pat Rankin wrote:
    On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 4:17:59 PM UTC-8, Janis wrote:
    Could a randomly generated silver spear get an erode-proof flag set?

    I don't think so. Either all of them would, or none; that isn't a
    randomly assigned attribute. Maybe slash'em has a prayer
    reward or other uncommon event that sets weapons or other
    items erodeproof and you got that while carrying one of the
    two stacks?

    I don't remember (but cannot exclude that possibility).


    Lawful minions have their starting inventory become blessed
    and erodeproof, but I can't see where any of them are given
    silver spears or random weapons that might happen to be
    spears. Fake player undead slayer's get silver spear(s) in
    starting inventory, but they aren't lawful minions and there
    isn't any attribute manipulation for their gear that I can see.

    I'm quite positive that I had got two of the spears from the
    player monsters at the Guild of the Disgruntled Adventurers.


    Is there a technique that makes a thrown weapon behave like
    a throw-and-return weapon (boomerangs; Mjollnir for Valkyries;
    in nethack 3.6+, ordinary aklys when thrown while wielded)?
    The original pickup_thrown patch had a bug with items that
    get thrown and then added back into inventory without being
    explicitly picked up and slash'em is probably affected by it.

    I think I've never thrown any of the spears.

    Having the item-was-thrown flag set on one stack and not the
    other would prevent merging. But that issue would go away if
    you dropped the flagged stack and picked it up again, which
    you're bound to have tried already.

    Yes, I did that.

    Ah, well, that game will anyway end soon without my character
    having used these spears. I carried them with me because it's
    one of the unrestricted weapons for Monks and the silver bonus,
    but now that I am only a few steps away from the Wizard these
    spears are in some distant stash. I hope my XL:25 neutral Monk
    will not have lethal issues with angelic beings at Air...

    Janis

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