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  • [ndnh] Dungeon layout (where is Sokoban?) and sensible weapon choice?

    From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 18 17:51:58 2023
    I'm currently playing a variant labelled "ndnh" at hardfought.

    I'm somewhat confused by the levels I visited thus far; below Oracle I
    found something that looked like a Sokoban entry level, there's four
    boulders in the entry room, two scrolls (of earth?) at known places,
    but neither the pits _nor the stairs_ to the next level. Instead, some
    (as far as I can judge from my first contact) quite immobile creature
    with HP:1000(!) is contemplating in the second room; its name is
    something like "?okoban". - Do I have to kill that creature to create
    the stairs to the next Sokoban level? Or is that simply a fake level
    and I have to look elsewhere for Sokoban (assuming there is one at all
    in the first place - but at least for dNetHack, the base for "ndnh",
    the Wiki mentions Sokoban below Oracle)?

    Early on I got or found (don't recall) something like a (blessed +1)
    "circular saw-bladed axe"; is it worth keeping? - On sacrifices my god
    had meanwhile enchanted it thrice (to +4) but I also got a (non-silver) Werebane, some unbreakable (but heavy) lance, and another artifact axe
    (was it maybe Giantslayer?); nothing that looks too prominent, though.

    Janis

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Sun Jun 18 19:30:22 2023
    On 18.06.23 17:51, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    I'm currently playing a variant labelled "ndnh" at hardfought.

    I'm somewhat confused by the levels I visited thus far; below Oracle I
    found something that looked like a Sokoban entry level, [...]

    Okay, I downloaded the source code to find this comment:
    "Sokoban is stupid. I hate sokoban. We lokoban now."
    and beyond that strange level stub that I found there are
    obviously no further Sokoban levels or a final prize.
    (A bit overkill to keep a special level (as a stub) just
    for the two scrolls, and for the random wand and ring.)

    So I will have to look elsewhere to get some sack or bag.

    Janis

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  • From Ron Nazarov@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Sat Jun 24 22:51:31 2023
    Janis Papanagnou <[email protected]> writes:

    I'm somewhat confused by the levels I visited thus far; below Oracle I
    found something that looked like a Sokoban entry level, there's four
    boulders in the entry room, two scrolls (of earth?) at known places,
    but neither the pits _nor the stairs_ to the next level. Instead, some
    (as far as I can judge from my first contact) quite immobile creature
    with HP:1000(!) is contemplating in the second room; its name is
    something like "?okoban". - Do I have to kill that creature to create
    the stairs to the next Sokoban level? Or is that simply a fake level
    and I have to look elsewhere for Sokoban (assuming there is one at all
    in the first place - but at least for dNetHack, the base for "ndnh",
    the Wiki mentions Sokoban below Oracle)?
    If you kill the Lokoban Pinata, it will death-drop food, gold, and
    either an amulet of reflection or a bag of holding depending on what you already have. https://github.com/demogorgon22/notdnethack/blob/2023.05.15/changelog.txt describes this (and other changes) in more detail. You can instakill it
    by confusing and blinding yourself, then hitting it with a blunt weapon.

    Early on I got or found (don't recall) something like a (blessed +1) "circular saw-bladed axe"; is it worth keeping? - On sacrifices my god
    had meanwhile enchanted it thrice (to +4) but I also got a (non-silver) Werebane, some unbreakable (but heavy) lance, and another artifact axe
    (was it maybe Giantslayer?); nothing that looks too prominent, though.
    The "circular saw-bladed axe" is a diskos. It is an insight weapon that
    does extra energy damage at high insight is and almost certainly worth
    keeping. https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Insight describes it in more
    detail.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Sun Jun 25 10:47:56 2023
    On 25.06.2023 10:33, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

    Some of my other artifacts seems preferable; at the moment I'm using
    artifact knives Firebrand and Frostbrand occasionally, but primarily
    some artifact mace that pushes most monsters back when it hits.

    (This "Rod of the Ram", as I just noticed, got "thoroughly rusty
    corroded" despite I recall to have recently removed the 'thoroughly'
    and 'very' rusty part; strange.)

    I also have some very heavy "large +1 crystal sword" (weight: 240),
    but I stashed it away because of its weight and lacking proficiency.

    Janis

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Ron Nazarov on Sun Jun 25 10:33:59 2023
    On 24.06.2023 23:51, Ron Nazarov wrote:
    Janis Papanagnou <[email protected]> writes:

    If you kill the Lokoban Pinata, it will death-drop food, gold, and
    either an amulet of reflection or a bag of holding depending on what you already have.

    Not having had any of these I (randomly?) got the amulet.

    Container was a problem. Some desperate polypiling provided my with
    a sack at least. Later at the sunless sea I managed to get another
    amulet (hidden in water) of magical breathing; with that I found
    the magic lamp and finally got the Wallet of Perseus from the wish.

    The 6x capacity from that bag together with an increased carrying
    capacity (1500 instead of 1000) from some artifact armor (a shirt?)
    makes me travel completely unburdened; that's new to me.


    The "circular saw-bladed axe" is a diskos. It is an insight weapon that
    does extra energy damage at high insight is and almost certainly worth keeping. https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Insight describes it in more
    detail.

    I skimmed over the "insights" information but, to be honest, didn't
    understand it. It seemed to me like I'd have to meet some creatures
    that I yet haven't seen, and that the powers of that diskos weapon
    will only be effective under these preconditions; not too appealing,
    as it appears. Moreover my diskos is only at +1 now, since hitting
    some creates new to me removed its enchantment charges.

    Some of my other artifacts seems preferable; at the moment I'm using
    artifact knives Firebrand and Frostbrand occasionally, but primarily
    some artifact mace that pushes most monsters back when it hits.

    Janis

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