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    From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Keith Simpson on Mon May 15 17:08:04 2023
    On 15.05.2023 16:38, Keith Simpson wrote:
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 10:30:48 AM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 15.05.2023 16:27, Keith Simpson wrote:

    Oh no, on the contrary - I've been extremely attentive to everything you say, I've even
    been taking notes. Obviously you're the most knowledgeable nethack player here on
    RGRN, it only makes sense that you should create your own variant, this way the rest
    of us lowly variant devs can witness what a truly balanced and thought-out game
    looks like, free of errors and balance issues. Just a great playing experience every time,
    start to finish! I beg of you, please, if not for me, do it for the rest of the community.
    Grace us with your brilliance.
    Your arrogance is priceless.

    No arrogance here sir, I can assure you. I think we would all benefit from your insight and
    expertise if you were to create a game that embodied all of your observations. Please let me
    know if I have offended you, I am trying to convey sincerity as respectfully as possible.


    You're continuing babbling nonsense and completely ignore what already
    has been said.

    Your writing style is not subtle enough; you can spare your obviously
    cynical and flippant comments. More so if you don't want to contribute
    to the discussions of features (in this [hackem] thread or elsewhere).

    If you'd (seriously) be asking me about my opinion of offensive content
    in your post; yes, I think that your text is meant offensive. If you're
    asking (as literally written) whether I feel offended; no, any offender
    needs some grandeur to offend.

    But really, now. Spare us that noise. If you don't want do discuss the
    features and various opinions on features and variants that's fine,
    just ignore these posts. If your intention is to exchange flippant talk
    there's better places in the Internet, I've heard, so just leave this
    place for #evilhack (as you've already announced here some time ago).

    Again:
    If you're interested to contribute to that discussion feel free to join.

    Yet I haven't heard anything on-topical from you in this Hack'EM thread.

    Janis

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  • From Ed Gooding@21:1/5 to Keith Simpson on Mon May 15 11:14:14 2023
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 1:49:59 PM UTC-4, Keith Simpson wrote:
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 11:08:09 AM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 15.05.2023 16:38, Keith Simpson wrote:
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 10:30:48 AM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 15.05.2023 16:27, Keith Simpson wrote:

    Oh no, on the contrary - I've been extremely attentive to everything you say, I've even
    been taking notes. Obviously you're the most knowledgeable nethack player here on
    RGRN, it only makes sense that you should create your own variant, this way the rest
    of us lowly variant devs can witness what a truly balanced and thought-out game
    looks like, free of errors and balance issues. Just a great playing experience every time,
    start to finish! I beg of you, please, if not for me, do it for the rest of the community.
    Grace us with your brilliance.
    Your arrogance is priceless.

    No arrogance here sir, I can assure you. I think we would all benefit from your insight and
    expertise if you were to create a game that embodied all of your observations. Please let me
    know if I have offended you, I am trying to convey sincerity as respectfully as possible.

    You're continuing babbling nonsense and completely ignore what already
    has been said.

    Your writing style is not subtle enough; you can spare your obviously cynical and flippant comments. More so if you don't want to contribute
    to the discussions of features (in this [hackem] thread or elsewhere).

    If you'd (seriously) be asking me about my opinion of offensive content
    in your post; yes, I think that your text is meant offensive. If you're asking (as literally written) whether I feel offended; no, any offender needs some grandeur to offend.

    But really, now. Spare us that noise. If you don't want do discuss the features and various opinions on features and variants that's fine,
    just ignore these posts. If your intention is to exchange flippant talk there's better places in the Internet, I've heard, so just leave this place for #evilhack (as you've already announced here some time ago).

    Again:
    If you're interested to contribute to that discussion feel free to join. Yet I haven't heard anything on-topical from you in this Hack'EM thread.

    Janis
    Janis, your words hurt. Why the insults? I'm not joking, I legitimately would like
    to see you make a variant of NetHack. I know it's a stretch to assume such a thing, but you might learn something new, such as:

    * the countless hours spent on your own time creating something new, without any compensation in return

    * having the courage to make it publicly available, opening yourself up to scrutiny from all corners of the internet

    * knowing the joy when players tell you how much fun your game is

    * and also knowing how awful it can feel when some pompous asshat know-it-all
    rips your creation apart in public without offering anything constructive in return

    Janis, I really think you should channel all of the immense knowledge and wisdom
    you've gained over the years playing NetHack, and create the perfect variant. I think
    it'd be fun 😊

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  • From Keith Simpson@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Mon May 15 10:49:54 2023
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 11:08:09 AM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 15.05.2023 16:38, Keith Simpson wrote:
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 10:30:48 AM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 15.05.2023 16:27, Keith Simpson wrote:

    Oh no, on the contrary - I've been extremely attentive to everything you say, I've even
    been taking notes. Obviously you're the most knowledgeable nethack player here on
    RGRN, it only makes sense that you should create your own variant, this way the rest
    of us lowly variant devs can witness what a truly balanced and thought-out game
    looks like, free of errors and balance issues. Just a great playing experience every time,
    start to finish! I beg of you, please, if not for me, do it for the rest of the community.
    Grace us with your brilliance.
    Your arrogance is priceless.

    No arrogance here sir, I can assure you. I think we would all benefit from your insight and
    expertise if you were to create a game that embodied all of your observations. Please let me
    know if I have offended you, I am trying to convey sincerity as respectfully as possible.

    You're continuing babbling nonsense and completely ignore what already
    has been said.

    Your writing style is not subtle enough; you can spare your obviously cynical and flippant comments. More so if you don't want to contribute
    to the discussions of features (in this [hackem] thread or elsewhere).

    If you'd (seriously) be asking me about my opinion of offensive content
    in your post; yes, I think that your text is meant offensive. If you're asking (as literally written) whether I feel offended; no, any offender needs some grandeur to offend.

    But really, now. Spare us that noise. If you don't want do discuss the features and various opinions on features and variants that's fine,
    just ignore these posts. If your intention is to exchange flippant talk there's better places in the Internet, I've heard, so just leave this
    place for #evilhack (as you've already announced here some time ago).

    Again:
    If you're interested to contribute to that discussion feel free to join.
    Yet I haven't heard anything on-topical from you in this Hack'EM thread.

    Janis

    Janis, your words hurt. Why the insults? I'm not joking, I legitimately would like
    to see you make a variant of NetHack. I know it's a stretch to assume such a thing, but you might learn something new, such as:

    * the countless hours spent on your own time creating something new, without any compensation in return

    * having the courage to make it publicly available, opening yourself up to scrutiny from all corners of the internet

    * knowing the joy when players tell you how much fun your game is

    * and also knowing how awful it can feel when some pompous asshat know-it-all rips your creation apart in public without offering anything constructive in return

    Janis, I really think you should channel all of the immense knowledge and wisdom
    you've gained over the years playing NetHack, and create the perfect variant. I think
    it'd be fun 😊

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ed Gooding@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 15 11:19:40 2023
    Janis, I really think you should channel all of the immense knowledge and wisdom
    you've gained over the years playing NetHack, and create the perfect variant. I think
    it'd be fun 😊


    Hello Janis, welcome to Evilhack!

    The voice of K2 rings out: "No, mortal, that shall not be done!"

    Suddenly, the dungeon collapses around you!

    Do not pass Go. Do not collect 200 zorkmids.

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  • From CSS Dixieland@21:1/5 to Ed Gooding on Mon May 15 13:27:32 2023
    On Monday 15 May 2023 at 18:19:42 UTC, Ed Gooding wrote:
    Janis, I really think you should channel all of the immense knowledge and wisdom
    you've gained over the years playing NetHack, and create the perfect variant. I think
    it'd be fun 😊
    Hello Janis, welcome to Evilhack!

    The voice of K2 rings out: "No, mortal, that shall not be done!"

    Suddenly, the dungeon collapses around you!

    Do not pass Go. Do not collect 200 zorkmids.

    As Mister Simpson indicates, Mister Papanagnou is undoubtedly one of the most experienced players of Nethack or its varieties. It would not be out of place for Mister Papanagnou to create his own variety of Nethack (whether only for playing himself or,
    much better, offered to other players), but that is a personal decision. It is not because of a lack of 'time', for he obviously spends a long time playing the addictive game. It is because of lack of interest or knowledge of programming. Probably lack
    of interest, because he knows how to delve into the source for finding exact features of the complex game. On the other hand, he is right that there are rather too many varieties of Nethack already, and of similar turn-based, dungeon adventure, rôle
    play games in the wake of Hack, Rogue, or Dungeons and Dragons. Not all of those varieties have been well thought, unfortunately, and few of them can be called balanced and truly engaging.

    It is entirely the decision of Mister Papanagnou, of course. I can only comment that if I have available an executable created by him for playing a new variety of Nethack in my Samsung Android telephone or my Apple IPad tablet, I shall at least once
    experiment playing with it. Probably more than once, with different kinds of heroes or of other attributes for obtaining a more complete view of the game, and perhaps commenting here in the Nethack group or other places.

    He can also just provide the source and leave to every one of us the task of translating and linking it into executable for different operating systems or various platforms. In theory he can even make his variety available as interpreted, interactive
    programme via a remote server. Or he can simply dismiss the whole idea of a new Nethack variety, but still continue informing in detail of his adventures, because he has become an encyclopaedia of Nethack, all by himself.

    Receive Confederate Greetings, Gentlemen.

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