My EvilHack tortle Monk has two wands of wishing (from a bones heap
and from the Castle) and some yet untested thrones. I am reluctant
to try the thrones, though, for I have no idea what to wish for.
My armor is restricted (for tortles) and the three pieces that are
allowed are already quite good. My weapon is also a good artifact.
Magic markers cannot be wished for (IIUC). - So what to wish for?
One thing I'd like is flying (from amulet), but my amulet slot is
already covered by an amulet of magic resistance. From the wikipage
the "Ring of P'hul" (free action, magic resistance when worn and
disease resistance) looks very interesting; it would also free the
amulet slot for flying. (Its disease resistance may not be that
interesting any more now since I genocided locusts.) - I suppose
I can safely wish for artifacts if I never wished for any? (IIUC,
number of existing artifacts doesn't matter for the wishing odds?)
Janis
Magic markers can actually be wished for.
Magic lamps too if you need permalight.
What is your alignment? I think you need to be chaotic to wish for Ring of P'hul.
[...]
Dragonbane are gloves that grant reflection and acid resistance, it's a popular wish.
If you
are neutral, possibly The Eye of the Aethiopica? The Eyes of the
Overworld will allow you to free up the amulet slot for flying [...]
[...] - but being helped by a tame Balrog on the outside - I
suspect the Balrog did most of the damage.
The Eyes are out of my reach, unfortunately, due to the permanent
alignment abuse record. (I wouldn't want that huge permanent luck
recovery penalty when killing the quest leader.)
Where did you get that tame demon from? (I'm not yet in Gehennom.)
On Friday, 14 April 2023 at 20:10:49 UTC+1, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
The Eyes are out of my reach, unfortunately, due to the permanent
alignment abuse record. (I wouldn't want that huge permanent luck
recovery penalty when killing the quest leader.)
If you have "gravely abused your alignment", then yes, you'd need to
kill your quest leader to win the game.
If you have only "severely abused your alignment" then you have a
good chance of being allowed to keep the quest artifact.
You can leave the quest branch with the Eyes without talking to the
quest leader and worry about them later (the Bell won't work for the invocation until they've been dealt with)
- flying makes exploring Gehonnom much more fun!
Even the permanent luck penalty isn't so bad - just maximise luck
before starting the ascension run. I've never noticed an issue.
Where did you get that tame demon from? (I'm not yet in Gehennom.)
I had the "Orc Temple" version of Mines' End, which always has a
figurine of a Balrog.
Now I first focus on the Ice Queen level. I downloaded from a
current Hardfought game today a ttyrec to see what to expect
there in practice; I've seen the player used a lot of attack
magic. And I must understand what it means when the Wiki entry
speaks about "defeating" but not killing these dogs that guard
the Ice Queen.
On Saturday, 15 April 2023 at 15:24:10 UTC+1, Janis Papanagnou
wrote:
That player turned out to be a good spell-caster and was able to
cast fireballs that did _a lot_ of damage with every cast to the
targeted square and around;
This was the fireball spell, cast at a 'skilled' level -
unfortunately monks can't get 'skilled' in attack magic.
But there is another way to get a similar effect.
Wielding a potion of acid and then fighting ('F') in the direction of
the bars will dissolve the bars. Pegasus can be tamed like a normal
horse.
What would the (announced) prize for freeing Pegasus be?
The prize is the Bag of the Hesperides. Hope this helps. Good luck!
That player turned out to be a good spell-caster and was able
to cast fireballs that did _a lot_ of damage with every cast
to the targeted square and around;
that quest, but in the attempt to free Pegasus, he seems to
have hit him with acid. (The player tried to get access to
Pegasus' room by destroying the iron bars with acid potions.
Would that work?
What would the (announced) prize for freeing Pegasus be?
On 15.04.2023 14:41, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
Now I first focus on the Ice Queen level. [...]
On 15.04.2023 14:41, Janis Papanagnou wrote:Entered the Ice Queen quest... First surprise was ... [...]
Now I first focus on the Ice Queen level. [...]
Maybe this recent tortle monk ascension can give you some more ideas? https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Graznop/evilhack/dumplog/1680643929.evil.txt
Notice that Gauntlets of Purity and Ashmar can't be wished for, they need to be forged.
I've read that the Gauntlets of Purity cannot be worn with abusedYou need to be piously aligned to wear the Gaunlets of Purity - but this is your normal alignment record (as shown by a stethoscope to self), not the permanent one. Further down in the dumplog you'll see "You have gravely abused your alignment" - this
alignment, so they are out of reach.
The Ashmar looks quite fine,Ashmar also provides acid resistance and half physical damage. I was wearing it at the time of ascension for the Plane of Air, and never bothered to take it off afterwards.
but as a tortle I've already hungerless regeneration, so not all
advantages actually improve my tortle. I'd probably also need the
shield slot for reflection (but don't recall my gear at the moment
and don't recall whether I have the artifacts necessary to forge).
On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 at 13:46:01 UTC+1, Janis Papanagnou
wrote:
I've read that the Gauntlets of Purity cannot be worn with abused
alignment, so they are out of reach.
You need to be piously aligned to wear the Gaunlets of Purity - but
this is your normal alignment record (as shown by a stethoscope to
self), not the permanent one. [...]
Ashmar also provides acid resistance and half physical damage. I was
wearing it at the time of ascension for the Plane of Air, and never
bothered to take it off afterwards.
By the way, congratulations on defeating the Ice Queen.
Also being polymorphed and then having your
equipment polymorphed is one of the worst things the game can throw
at you - [...]
Ah, okay. (But there's still the [Lawful] Grayswandir I'd need.)Using a Helm of Opposite Alignment (the right one of course, your character is neutral) and sacrificing for Grayswandir would work, though possibly a bit of a grind. Or a wish - the Gauntlets of Purity's power regeneration and giant strength is probably
... where I then should get reflection from.Both Dragonbane (which I think you already have?) and the Gauntlets of Purity both provide reflection.
Another thing is that I lost my helm of speed; tortles are slow,I too have a strong bias for speed. Luckily the player monsters are usually well equipped, so there is a good chance to find another helm of speed.
and they cannot wear boots. - I do have a strong bias for speed
and ponder where to best get that from now.
Well, my experiences thus far make me believe that there's yetWhat doesn't kill you makes you stronger :-)
much worse to expect around the next (and then again after the
next) corner. But "_one_ of the worst" also doesn't soothe me. ;-)
On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 at 19:40:08 UTC+1, Janis Papanagnou
wrote:
Ah, okay. (But there's still the [Lawful] Grayswandir I'd need.)
Using a Helm of Opposite Alignment (the right one of course, your
character is neutral) and sacrificing for Grayswandir would work,
though possibly a bit of a grind. Or a wish - the Gauntlets of
Purity's power regeneration and giant strength is probably worth it.
Well, my experiences thus far make me believe that there's yet much
worse to expect around the next (and then again after the next)
corner. But "_one_ of the worst" also doesn't soothe me. ;-)
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger :-)
On 19.04.2023 22:05, G. Raznop wrote:Helms of speed are an exception to the usual objects material rules - they can be made out of leather, cloth or dragonhide, which don't interfere with spellcasting.
On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 at 19:40:08 UTC+1, Janis Papanagnou
though possibly a bit of a grind. Or a wish - the Gauntlets ofThat would have to be very well tuned since the few armor options
Purity's power regeneration and giant strength is probably worth it.
turtles have will have impact on spell casting (ability), thus my
"daily-use" spell power demands are not that high. The strength
factor I also consider not a primary factor since as a turtle I
already have higher strength and the Ice Queen's artifact bag
greatly extends carrying capacity. Only the option of picking up
and carrying boulders would be a distinct feature, but one I not
(not yet, to be honest) value that high.
On Wednesday, 19 April 2023 at 13:46:01 UTC+1, Janis Papanagnou
wrote:
The Ashmar looks quite fine, but as a tortle I've already
hungerless regeneration, so not all advantages actually improve my
tortle. I'd probably also need the shield slot for reflection (but
don't recall my gear at the moment and don't recall whether I have
the artifacts necessary to forge).
Ashmar also provides acid resistance and half physical damage. I was
wearing it at the time of ascension for the Plane of Air, and never
bothered to take it off afterwards.
Okay, I had the two artifacts necessary for the Ashmar in my stash,
and so I forged it. Two surprises; it was of enchantment -1, and it
blasted me when I put it on. (The NH-Wiki says it's a 'non-aligned'
artifact, that's why I'm a bit surprised - or is it once again the
alignment record that makes it blast me?)
Okay, I had the two artifacts necessary for the Ashmar in my stash,
and so I forged it. Two surprises; it was of enchantment -1, [...]
The -1 enchantment sounds like a bug to me... normally the result of
forging takes the enchantment of the second item.
On 21.04.2023 11:22, Mobi Leuser wrote:
Okay, I had the two artifacts necessary for the Ashmar in my stash,
and so I forged it. Two surprises; it was of enchantment -1, [...]
The -1 enchantment sounds like a bug to me... normally the result of forging takes the enchantment of the second item.I don't know whether the second artifact had a negative enchantment,
both artifacts had been unidentified... - but the second one in the
forge process was a gift from my deity so I'd suppose it was fine?
Got the Ogreshmasher from a deathdrop at the Sokoban zoo.
Got the Trollsbane from a sacrifice at my lucky dlvl:1 altar.
Forging: "You place the heavy war hammer named Ogresmasher,
then the morning star named Trollsbane inside the forge.
Raising your heavy war hammer named Mjollnir, you begin to
forge the artifacts together...
You have successfully forged a mithril dwarvish roundshield
named Ashmar (37 aum)."
Janis
[...]
On 14.04.2023 14:58, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
[...]
I've seen a wish-tracker at the EU Hardfought server. It contains
the text as typed by the player, it seems. I edited, structured,
sorted, and summarized the entries; you can find it below...
Quite some questions arise, but one I'd like to ask; why are there
so many wishes for "dragon scale mail"? (I thought I've read that
you won't ever get one by wishing, but you'll get only the scales.)
Janis
Unknown entities
4x atlatl
2x The Sword of Bheleu
On 16.04.2023 09:41, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
On 15.04.2023 14:41, Janis Papanagnou wrote:Entered the Ice Queen quest... First surprise was ... [...]
Now I first focus on the Ice Queen level. [...]
Finished that quest. - Got the Bag, got the tame Pegasus.
Next surprise - still at Ice Queen quest level 3 - was that monsters
use wands of polymorph against player. A zap at my Monk, he changes
form and his armor dropped to the floor. Another zap at him polymorphed
his three pieces of highly enchanted magical armor to something mundane (that, as a turtle, my Monk cannot even wear). - Not really fun to
restart the game, all the preparation effort, anew ("Do not pass Go").
(Or was it just a hint from the RNG-god; an excellent moment to #quit?)
Next step; continuing almost naked back to the Monk's level 1 stash.
Janis
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