I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:42:04 PM UTC-5, William Hyde wrote:
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:43:05 AM UTC-5, Elvenverb wrote:
I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.Generally, yes.
But if you are a pawn behind in an endgame it is usually a good idea
to trade pawns. The idea being that when the opponent is down to
one pawn, you can sacrifice a piece for it, drawing because the
opponent lack's mating material.
When you are ahead in material you should generally be happy to exchange
But do not take this too far. Many a won game has been lost
by the stronger side trading off active pieces for passive ones.
William Hyde
I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:43:05 AM UTC+2, Elvenverb wrote:
I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.Bs"d
Very good advice.
But don't stop using your common sense.
I feel as if I should take exception to William Hyde's advice below, though as I write I have not yet decided what any such demurrer should or could comprise:—ever depend on pert tactics of the part. inst. and whatever that word is in chess where you measure time and movement.
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:42:04 PM UTC-5, William Hyde wrote:
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:43:05 AM UTC-5, Elvenverb wrote:
I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.Generally, yes.
But if you are a pawn behind in an endgame it is usually a good ideaSince this advice is a qualified one, and based surely on the position of the particularities, or the niceties as we used to say, of the remaining bits, how then should this nostrum be represented as generic wisdom? Is it really a strategy or must it
to trade pawns. The idea being that when the opponent is down to
one pawn, you can sacrifice a piece for it, drawing because the
opponent lack's mating material.
wet snow viewed out the window with more to come?When you are ahead in material you should generally be happy to exchange But do not take this too far. Many a won game has been lostA sensible qualification in this 2nd inst. to any nostrum perhaps to gloss a fault in the 1st? Here I evidently remain unpersuaded by the former. Doubtless the matter cannot be settled, or Suttled, as some say, without at least two pints of beer, and
by the stronger side trading off active pieces for passive ones.
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 1:30:29 PM UTC-5, Phil Innes wrote:ever depend on pert tactics of the part. inst. and whatever that word is in chess where you measure time and movement.
I feel as if I should take exception to William Hyde's advice below, though as I write I have not yet decided what any such demurrer should or could comprise:—
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 12:42:04 PM UTC-5, William Hyde wrote:
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:43:05 AM UTC-5, Elvenverb wrote:
I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.Generally, yes.
But if you are a pawn behind in an endgame it is usually a good ideaSince this advice is a qualified one, and based surely on the position of the particularities, or the niceties as we used to say, of the remaining bits, how then should this nostrum be represented as generic wisdom? Is it really a strategy or must it
to trade pawns. The idea being that when the opponent is down to
one pawn, you can sacrifice a piece for it, drawing because the
opponent lack's mating material.
wet snow viewed out the window with more to come?When you are ahead in material you should generally be happy to exchange But do not take this too far. Many a won game has been lostA sensible qualification in this 2nd inst. to any nostrum perhaps to gloss a fault in the 1st? Here I evidently remain unpersuaded by the former. Doubtless the matter cannot be settled, or Suttled, as some say, without at least two pints of beer, and
by the stronger side trading off active pieces for passive ones.
Regrettably most beer makes me ill now, so two vodkas. Alas, adopting the drink of world champion candidate Geller has not gifted me with any of his ability.
Generic wisdom is an aid to those of us below IM level, and even is a help to strong players short of time. But chess would not be so wonderful a game
if it could be reduced to a handful of nostrums. Aside from such obvious technical cases as "don't trade minor pieces in a pawnless 2B vs N endgame
there are countless exceptions to the "don't exchange" rule. In a column for CL America's second strongest Larry Evans wrote that he was known
for a time as "rook -up" Evans as he frequently lost games in which he was ahead of material by injudicious exchanges.
Similarly exchanging pawns much be approached carefully, especially if the result is a passed pawn for the opponent.
Or as Tal said when Fischer played Rc7 against Taimanov "A rook on the seventh is generally a good thing, but there are exceptions.).
William Hyde
Dear Bill,address the extant and evident qualitative wasteland here.
Truly delighted to contact you again, and I have already conceived a number of things to recount, and shall raise them, inter alia those who have passed these dozen years since we last wrote anything substantial and their import and certainly to
Though I will pause for the now since an on-coming storm, for Trono too I think, will limit an immediate continuation, especially since I am lead cook in a community kitchen absent our principal off to Germany and the Czech Republic: we are sort ofground zero for hunger, after us, the wall; and must attend to that tomorrow at 6am, also the welfare of other mostly retired volunteers sliding in and distributing what we have, and we are due to receive a shit-load of snow.
It is such that if we don't feed 'em, there is no where else to go, and in a town of just 12,000 people we are producing 1600+ meals per week.
Ask me about cooking Halal for Afghan refugees, then again, Vermont is also receiving Ukrainians now.
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 11:35:36 PM UTC+2, Phil Innes wrote:address the extant and evident qualitative wasteland here.
Dear Bill,
Truly delighted to contact you again, and I have already conceived a number of things to recount, and shall raise them, inter alia those who have passed these dozen years since we last wrote anything substantial and their import and certainly to
ground zero for hunger, after us, the wall; and must attend to that tomorrow at 6am, also the welfare of other mostly retired volunteers sliding in and distributing what we have, and we are due to receive a shit-load of snow.Though I will pause for the now since an on-coming storm, for Trono too I think, will limit an immediate continuation, especially since I am lead cook in a community kitchen absent our principal off to Germany and the Czech Republic: we are sort of
It is such that if we don't feed 'em, there is no where else to go, and in a town of just 12,000 people we are producing 1600+ meals per week.
Ask me about cooking Halal for Afghan refugees, then again, Vermont is also receiving Ukrainians now.Bs"d
It is good to feed the hungry, but you should also teach them chess.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:32:32 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:address the extant and evident qualitative wasteland here.
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 11:35:36 PM UTC+2, Phil Innes wrote:
Dear Bill,
Truly delighted to contact you again, and I have already conceived a number of things to recount, and shall raise them, inter alia those who have passed these dozen years since we last wrote anything substantial and their import and certainly to
ground zero for hunger, after us, the wall; and must attend to that tomorrow at 6am, also the welfare of other mostly retired volunteers sliding in and distributing what we have, and we are due to receive a shit-load of snow.Though I will pause for the now since an on-coming storm, for Trono too I think, will limit an immediate continuation, especially since I am lead cook in a community kitchen absent our principal off to Germany and the Czech Republic: we are sort of
Besides it is the player who moves the pieces, and the player does so for his own reasons, often independent of public acclaim or approval. Here we see chess players as more than half a game score, and something to do with them as people, a perhapsIt is such that if we don't feed 'em, there is no where else to go, and in a town of just 12,000 people we are producing 1600+ meals per week.
Ask me about cooking Halal for Afghan refugees, then again, Vermont is also receiving Ukrainians now.Bs"d
It is good to feed the hungry, but you should also teach them chess.You are quite correct Eli, except we might be careful here of exceptionalism, especially of the American kind. There may well be some, even a considerable, overlapping in factors of the two disciplines, such as human nature being dilated upon in both..
There may too be something like the difference twixt psychology; about what goes on within a person, to anthropology, of what goes between persons in any culture small or large. A local and current example is a refugee Afghan girl age 8 who calls me 'grandfather' and in her own country would be fortunate to be taught to read — here in the US will it be okay with her parents to teach her chess? She is an exceptionally bright and engaging child.
Please stay tuned though, since I feel we are about to enter into these qualitative realms, beyond the merely quantitative Elo and common commentary in both senses of common.
Cordially, Jekyll
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:36:17 AM UTC-6, Phil Innes wrote:address the extant and evident qualitative wasteland here.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:32:32 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 11:35:36 PM UTC+2, Phil Innes wrote:
Dear Bill,
Truly delighted to contact you again, and I have already conceived a number of things to recount, and shall raise them, inter alia those who have passed these dozen years since we last wrote anything substantial and their import and certainly to
of ground zero for hunger, after us, the wall; and must attend to that tomorrow at 6am, also the welfare of other mostly retired volunteers sliding in and distributing what we have, and we are due to receive a shit-load of snow.Though I will pause for the now since an on-coming storm, for Trono too I think, will limit an immediate continuation, especially since I am lead cook in a community kitchen absent our principal off to Germany and the Czech Republic: we are sort
. Besides it is the player who moves the pieces, and the player does so for his own reasons, often independent of public acclaim or approval. Here we see chess players as more than half a game score, and something to do with them as people, a perhapsIt is such that if we don't feed 'em, there is no where else to go, and in a town of just 12,000 people we are producing 1600+ meals per week.
Ask me about cooking Halal for Afghan refugees, then again, Vermont is also receiving Ukrainians now.Bs"d
It is good to feed the hungry, but you should also teach them chess.You are quite correct Eli, except we might be careful here of exceptionalism, especially of the American kind. There may well be some, even a considerable, overlapping in factors of the two disciplines, such as human nature being dilated upon in both.
grandfather' and in her own country would be fortunate to be taught to read — here in the US will it be okay with her parents to teach her chess? She is an exceptionally bright and engaging child.There may too be something like the difference twixt psychology; about what goes on within a person, to anthropology, of what goes between persons in any culture small or large. A local and current example is a refugee Afghan girl age 8 who calls me '
the enemy.Please stay tuned though, since I feel we are about to enter into these qualitative realms, beyond the merely quantitative Elo and common commentary in both senses of common.
Cordially, JekyllThanks for the responses. I had that advice for many years but could never be disciplined enough to follow it. It was demoralizing for me to have to move away instead of trading. I've got it under control again, and there is some thrill to hiding from
I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:43:05 AM UTC+2, Elvenverb wrote:
I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.Bs"d
If you want to avoid conflict you shouldn't be playing chess.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:05:22 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:43:05 AM UTC+2, Elvenverb wrote:
I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.Bs"d
If you want to avoid conflict you shouldn't be playing chess.It's a matter of choosing the right conflict.
"Don't attack on the side of the board where you are inferior" is advice going back
to Steinitz.
The only problem being the definition of that tricky word "inferior". For example, in
the usual QGD minority attack, white attacks three pawns with two. His superiority
on that side is due to his command of the half-open c file, not pawn number.
In Fischer-Miagmarsuren a game with white attacking on the K side, black on the
Q, Fisher played a3, a move that would normally be considered weakening and time wasting and thus rejected without serious consideration even by very strong players. But in this case it slowed Miagmarsuren's attack just enough for Fisher to win on the kingside.
Of course I am talking about sound chess here. If your goal is to win within ten moves or less, none of the above matters at all.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:29:24 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:05:22 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:43:05 AM UTC+2, Elvenverb wrote:
I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.Bs"d
If you want to avoid conflict you shouldn't be playing chess.It's a matter of choosing the right conflict.
"Don't attack on the side of the board where you are inferior" is advice going back
to Steinitz.
The only problem being the definition of that tricky word "inferior". For example, in
the usual QGD minority attack, white attacks three pawns with two. His superiority
on that side is due to his command of the half-open c file, not pawn number.
In Fischer-Miagmarsuren a game with white attacking on the K side, black on the
Q, Fisher played a3, a move that would normally be considered weakening and
time wasting and thus rejected without serious consideration even by very strong players. But in this case it slowed Miagmarsuren's attack just enough
for Fisher to win on the kingside.
Of course I am talking about sound chess here. If your goal is to win withinBs"d
ten moves or less, none of the above matters at all.
Just had a mate in 10. Beats every minority or majority attack. 😝
https://tinyurl.com/winning-only
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 6:18:29 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:29:24 AM UTC+3, William Hyde wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:05:22 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:43:05 AM UTC+2, Elvenverb wrote:
I was once told that if I am lower in points, I should avoid trading.Bs"d
If you want to avoid conflict you shouldn't be playing chess.It's a matter of choosing the right conflict.
"Don't attack on the side of the board where you are inferior" is advice going back
to Steinitz.
The only problem being the definition of that tricky word "inferior". For example, in
the usual QGD minority attack, white attacks three pawns with two. His superiority
on that side is due to his command of the half-open c file, not pawn number.
In Fischer-Miagmarsuren a game with white attacking on the K side, black on the
Q, Fisher played a3, a move that would normally be considered weakening and
time wasting and thus rejected without serious consideration even by very
strong players. But in this case it slowed Miagmarsuren's attack just enough
for Fisher to win on the kingside.
Of course I am talking about sound chess here. If your goal is to win withinBs"d
ten moves or less, none of the above matters at all.
Just had a mate in 10. Beats every minority or majority attack. 😝
https://tinyurl.com/winning-onlyIf you play fish, you can catch fish.
I never liked fishing much.
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