Bs"dthere is no rule against that, if that what he wants to do, he can do it. Totally legal, and totally within the rules. Like the saying goes: "Nobody ever won by resigning." But of course, there is no rule against me drawing out the game, and practising
Speaking about etiquette, there are some people when they are left with only a bare king against a king (of course) queen, and two pawns, then they just don't wanna say die. They go on unto the mate. Just had an 1852 doing that against me. Of course
I drove him into the corner, until the blade fell down on his neck.
That'll teach him.
https://tinyurl.com/GR-Endgame
Speaking about etiquette, there are some people when they are left with o= >nly a bare king against a king (of course) queen, and two pawns, then they = >just don't wanna say die. They go on unto the mate. Just had an 1852 doing = >that against me. Of course there is no rule against that, if that what he w= >ants to do, he can do it. Totally legal, and totally within the rules. Like=the saying goes: "Nobody ever won by resigning." But of course, there is n=
o rule against me drawing out the game, and practising my endgame technique= >. So I converted my two pawns to a bishop and a horse, then I gave him my q= >ueen, and proceeded to checkmate him with king, bishop, and horse. He wants=
to be irritating, I can be even more irritating. Normally that checkmate t=
akes about 35 moves, sometimes I slip up and can't do it within the 50 move= >s, sometimes I stalemate the enemy, but that's why I have to practice. In t= >his game just played: https://lichess.org/AbfQZfhysAFP it went a kind of qu= >ickly, he took my queen on move 79, and I mated him on move 97, only 29 mov= >es.=20
On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 06:03:36 -0800 (PST), Eli Kesef
<[email protected]> wrote:
Speaking about etiquette, there are some people when they are left with o= >nly a bare king against a king (of course) queen, and two pawns, then they = >just don't wanna say die. They go on unto the mate. Just had an 1852 doing = >that against me. Of course there is no rule against that, if that what he w= >ants to do, he can do it. Totally legal, and totally within the rules. Like=the saying goes: "Nobody ever won by resigning." But of course, there is n=
o rule against me drawing out the game, and practising my endgame technique= >. So I converted my two pawns to a bishop and a horse, then I gave him my q= >ueen, and proceeded to checkmate him with king, bishop, and horse. He wants=
to be irritating, I can be even more irritating. Normally that checkmate t=
akes about 35 moves, sometimes I slip up and can't do it within the 50 move= >s, sometimes I stalemate the enemy, but that's why I have to practice. In t= >his game just played: https://lichess.org/AbfQZfhysAFP it went a kind of qu= >ickly, he took my queen on move 79, and I mated him on move 97, only 29 mov= >es.=20
About the only situation I wouldn't resign in such a situation would
be if the clock was a huge factor and it wasn't an incremental time
control. If somebody is down to 10 seconds on a sudden death time
control I'll be as nasty and rotten as anybody - but if he's got time
to clobber me I'll be extending my hand.
If there's any hope at all I'll continue - I well remember one game
which was the last round of the last event before Christmas where I
(low A) was facing an Expert who was a personal friend. At move 20 I
was down an exchange (my own fault) with zero compensation. I figured
I could resign anytime so played another 5-10 moves and by then had
some compensation but was still bound to lose as it wasn't enough.
5-10 moves later I had 2 pawns for the exchange, and starting to look positionally crushing. 10 moves after that my connected 2 pawns were
on the 5th and 6th ranks. He resigned when I got both to the 7th and
you know how these go. It was the sort of position Soviet era GMs used
to call 'dynamic compensation' which may make sense at the GM level
but definitely not at our level.
We had an interesting post-mortem where we shared how we felt about
the position - at one point I said 'at this point any compensation was
purely imaginary but I had read ____ (well known Russian GM) say 'you
can resign anytime - but this is getting complex' so I made the
position as sharp as I can knowing you would probably crush me and
wonderful things started happening....
Since it was my last game of that year it was a nice way to end it. On
the other hand I've faced 1 1/2 hour drives home after a hideously
butchered last round game where I ought to have won but didn't and
those are always the toughest since when you're alone you can't deny
what just happened and why.
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 04:57:09 -0700 (PDT), Paul Epsteinwhen it was his opponent's move. Is this behaviour appropriate? This is a genuine question. It's inappropriate because it's not respectful to the opponent (perhaps). But if we object to this, it makes it very hard for students to play competitive chess.
<[email protected]> wrote:
I remember watching a well-known player who was good enough to be well-known but not good enough to make a living from playing. So he was studying for exams in his intended (not chess-related) profession, and he brought a book to the board and read it
Extremely rude and disrespectful - and I'm assuming it's on a
non-chess subject or it would be instant removal from the tournament.
(As TD I once ejected from the tournament someone found to be reading
ECO in the washroom cubicle during their round - it happened to be the volume dealing with his opening which was between turns 10-20 at that
point)
I >OFTEN< have been at tournaments with my book-laden equipment bag
below the table during the game (particularly when there is a
bookseller at the event) and often read between rounds but at the
table?
"It is forbidden to distract the opponent in any way" and no question
anyone reading at table is clearly doing that.
One doesn't have to be an International Arbiter to make that ruling
(though I am).
Chess can be a cruel mistress.....
But it can also be that you are rolling over the floor with laughter.
That game in which the enemy just didn't wanna die (who can blame him?) I dragged out to 101 moves with the horse and bishop mate, and I also had a cute little horse fork on move 29. Nothing special, but still nice.
https://tinyurl.com/bobby-genius
Mind you, twice when playing in team events in Toronto as an undergrad I to= >ok along Werner Greub's "Multilinear algebra" and studied while I wasn't on=
the move. And won both games against players of my own or higher strength=
. So perhaps I was biased. But I still am.
On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 09:07:45 -0800 (PST), Eli Kesef
<[email protected]> wrote:
Chess can be a cruel mistress.....
But it can also be that you are rolling over the floor with laughter.
That game in which the enemy just didn't wanna die (who can blame him?) I dragged out to 101 moves with the horse and bishop mate, and I also had a cute little horse fork on move 29. Nothing special, but still nice.
https://tinyurl.com/bobby-geniusTwo comments:
1 yes our game can be a cruel mistress
2 did you successfully execute the B+N v K mate?
if not there are videos on that and I have seen (between rounds at tournaments) players doing that mate at speed chess times for small
bets.
The players concerned considered it training - the defender positioned
the pieces as he wished and the better had to do the mate in 50 moves
from there. The point is while it's proven to be doable in 50 moves
from any position (I read somewhere 37 or 38 was the theoretical
minimum from any position) that it's unforgiving - meaning that if you
make one less than optimal move depending on the position doing it in
50 may then be undoable.
As a junior I used to do the 2B v K mate for practice but never
mastered the B+N mate.
Yes. Here is my above post: Got another one who when he had a bare king l= >eft against me with a castle, bishop and four pawns, he kept on playing on:=
https://lichess.org/67J7vBfODeDX
So I was in the mood, so I got myself a horse, fed all other material to hi= >s king, and proceeded to checkmate him with horse and bishop. Took me 27 mo= >ves. Nice practice.
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 05:50:25 -0800 (PST), Eli Kesef
<[email protected]> wrote:
Yes. Here is my above post: Got another one who when he had a bare king l= >eft against me with a castle, bishop and four pawns, he kept on playing on:=
https://lichess.org/67J7vBfODeDX
So I was in the mood, so I got myself a horse, fed all other material to hi=
s king, and proceeded to checkmate him with horse and bishop. Took me 27 mo=
ves. Nice practice.
Heh heh heh - what a classy way to show he held on long beyond any reasonable point. Of course it's only a good idea if you successfully
carry it off rather than losing the full point - so kudoes on bringing
it off. Doing that under regular time controls isn't easy so well
done.
As a junior I used to do the 2B v K mate for practice but never
mastered the B+N mate.
But I read a story about a GM in a tournament, and he got to an endgame wit= >h him having a horse + bishop against a bare king. He didn't know how to d= >o it, so he asked advice from a colleague GM, and he said: "You have to dri= >ve him to the corner with the color of the squares that the bishop is on." =
But in the end he couldn't do it. It is something you have to learn and =
practice.
On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 06:56:10 -0800 (PST), Eli Kesef
<[email protected]> wrote:
But I read a story about a GM in a tournament, and he got to an endgame wit= >h him having a horse + bishop against a bare king. He didn't know how to d= >o it, so he asked advice from a colleague GM, and he said: "You have to dri= >ve him to the corner with the color of the squares that the bishop is on." =
But in the end he couldn't do it. It is something you have to learn and =
practice.
If that story is true and not just legend both of them could have been ejected for giving and receiving help "at the board" (which is defined
as actively giving assistance - nobody's ever getting forfeited for
saying "good luck!")
And if both of them were GMs one would think they would both know this
which is why I think the story is an urban legend.
On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 16:51:14 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
<[email protected]> wrote:
Mind you, twice when playing in team events in Toronto as an undergrad I to=Well the rule under which I as TD would have insisted you put your
ok along Werner Greub's "Multilinear algebra" and studied while I wasn't on=
the move. And won both games against players of my own or higher strength=
. So perhaps I was biased. But I still am.
book away was that it is 'forbidden to annoy your opponent in any way'
and if he insisted I as TD would have required you to put it away
somewhere out of sight of the board (which for most people means in
their equipment bag on the floor or elsewhere.
As you say chess material is especial verboten and I once threw a guy
out of a tournament for consulting ECO in the mens' room about 15-20
minutes into the round (e.g. actually still in the opening). It turned
out to be the volume that covered the opening in question but I'd have tossed him for any chess book mostly for his own stupidity in thinking
he could get away with it - and the incident came up at the next club
exec meeting and I was praised for having done so.
You DON'T have to be an International Arbiter (which at that point was
20 years in the future for me) to make THAT call!
Probbly my WORST experience in chess was in a club speed tournament
where my opponent forked my 2 R's with his B and I immediately
resigned. The TD who was watching immediately said (and I think 20
years later it was the wrong call) "what did you resign for? the only
reason that B was able to fork your rooks was that it made an illegal
move to get there - but when you resigned rather than calling on me
(and in fairness he was close by watching more for his own
entertainment than being a director) you ended the game so I can't do anything for you!
cents and first price $2.00 so not a big deal in the grand scheme of things!)
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