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  • Need help understanding XG analysis panel numbers

    From MK@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 18:13:14 2023
    I'm trying to develop some ideas for a new experiment.

    Towards that, I have done the following steps in XG:

    setup a money game opening position at cube decision
    start playing from position

    before rolling, player1 doubles, player2 beavers, player1
    raccoons, player2 takes and owns cube at 8

    before player1 rolls, average equity for position = +0.112
    if player1 will roll 31, his equity will be = +0.234

    at this point cube analysis panel shows 52.89% win
    cubeless equity N = +0.085, D = +0.162
    cubeful equity N = +0.123, D/B = -0.346 (-0.469)
    best choice ND/B

    after player1 rolls 31
    average equity for position becomes = -0.088
    equity for 31 becomes = +0.007

    summary panel shows total equity = -0.469, luck = +0.010
    after playing 31 as best move 8/5 6/5 = +0.008
    summary panel shows same the numbers

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    before player2 rolls, average equity for position = -0.007
    if player2 will roll 65, his equity will be = +0.007

    at this point cube analysis panel shows 44.58% win
    cubeless equity N = -0.165, D = -0.330
    cubeful equity N = -0.008, D/B = -1.441 (-1.433)
    best choice NRD/B

    after player2 rolls 65 (with the same equity as player1's 31)
    average equity for position becomes = -0.005
    equity for 65 becomes = +0.011

    summary panel shows total equity = -0.469, luck = -0.005
    after playing 65 as best move 24/13 = +0.013
    summary panel shows same the numbers

    all analysis numbers are at 3-ply

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    Can someone help me understand how the above
    numbers transition and/or relate to one another?
    (doing it for the sake of RGB of course, since in return
    I may be able contribute something back to RGB... ;)

    MK

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 8 01:48:12 2023
    On January 4, 2023 at 7:13:16 PM UTC-7, MK wrote:

    Can someone help me understand how the above
    numbers transition and/or relate to one another?
    (doing it for the sake of RGB of course, since in return
    I may be able contribute something back to RGB... ;)

    What's the matter in-dog-trained sick puppies...?

    Did you "pack" all get dizzy and disoriented trying
    to follow what the "garbage producer" is doing...?

    Okay, okay, don't help me but take it as a personal
    challenge to see if you can do it, as though it were
    not me but somewhone you worshipped asked the
    question... Can you...!? ;)

    MK

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 15:56:53 2023
    On January 14, 2023 at 4:03:06 PM UTC-7, MK wrote:

    Come on bozos, I need some math entertainment... :)

    I wonder if you are having difficulty with figuring out
    where to start...? Let me help you get started. ;)

    Here are some random rolls. How they are played
    shouldn't make a difference and don't at first. The
    third column are the dice rolls, the fourth column
    are the equities of the corresponding dice rolls.

    1 Player1 23 +0.014 +0.0140 +0.014
    2 Player2 61 -0.091 +0.0455 +0.045
    3 Player1 52 -0.071 -0.0237 -0.024
    4 Player2 65 +0.012 -0.0030 -0.003
    5 Player1 31 -0.014 -0.0028 -0.003
    6 Player2 41 +0.115 -0.0192 -0.019
    7 Player1 54 +0.137 +0.0196 +0.020
    8 Player2 22 -0.083 +0.0104 +0.010

    The last column is the "luck equity per move" that
    XG displays in its analysis summary panel. Didn't
    you guys ever pay attention to those numbers...?

    I saved the fifth column for the punch line. Those
    are each individual dice roll's equity divided by the
    number of rolls (by both players) after each move,
    calculated to four decimal accuracy, (before XG
    rounds to three. ;)

    Take for example, line 3: -0.071 / 3 = -0.0237, line 6:
    0.115 / 6 -0.0192 (negative for Player2). Ohh noo! :(

    Ohh yess! :) This is how XG starts out calculating the
    "luck rate per move" for you... :))

    But don't stop there at only eight rolls. Keep rolling
    to see what else you may discover and let me/us
    all know... ;)

    MK

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 15:03:05 2023
    On January 8, 2023 at 2:48:13 AM UTC-7, MK wrote:

    On January 4, 2023 at 7:13:16 PM UTC-7, MK wrote:

    Can someone help me understand how the above
    numbers transition and/or relate to one another?

    What's the matter in-dog-trained sick puppies...?
    Did you "pack" all get dizzy and disoriented trying
    to follow what the "garbage producer" is doing...?

    I think this is a good one. I don't want to let go of it
    without extracting the most enjoyment out of it... ;)

    For all the use you guys make of XG and posting all
    those rollouts, etc. haven't anyone of you ever felt a
    need to manually audit, (using pencil and paper like
    Walt;), all that high pile of numbers that it spits out?

    Do you all just eat up whatever is slopped in your dish?

    Come on bozos, I need some math entertainment... :)

    MK

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