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    From Nasti Chestikov@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 21 08:39:08 2022
    Just a heads up

    https://www.gnu.org/software/gnubg/

    Not sure what's new, first update in many years.

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to Nasti Chestikov on Mon Nov 21 14:57:03 2022
    On 11/21/2022 11:39 AM, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
    Just a heads up

    https://www.gnu.org/software/gnubg/

    Not sure what's new, first update in many years.

    There's some information here:

    https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnubg/2022-11/threads.html

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    Tim Chow

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Wed Nov 23 15:02:58 2022
    On November 21, 2022 at 12:57:05 PM UTC-7, Tim Chow wrote:

    On 11/21/2022 11:39 AM, Nasti Chestikov wrote:

    Not sure what's new, first update in many years.

    There's some information here: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnubg/2022-11/threads.html

    Not much of an update, other than now it has
    Python v3 and 8,027 files vs 7,068 previously.

    For some reason, they aren't very receptive to
    suggestions for fundamental improvements,
    like my suggestion to add player settings for
    truly random checker and cube decisions, as
    well as doubling/taking points ertered by the
    user, etc. even though the existing capability
    of setting checker and cube levels separately
    for each side is a great/unique feature of Gnubg.

    Even though I maintain that equity, luck, error,
    etc. calculations are inaccurate and useless,
    they could at least try to improve them by, for
    example, including the "position complexity" in
    them as I had suggested years ago (i.e. "cost"
    of errors varying by position complexities at
    different stages of the games).

    About a month ago Tim suggested a similar
    improvement, from a different perspective on
    "position complexity" (which I don't subscribe
    to but neither oppose, as any progress is better
    than stagnation), even including ideas on how
    it could be implemented but it didn't receive a
    single response from the group.

    Too bad... :(

    MK

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to Nasti Chestikov on Wed Nov 23 14:29:54 2022
    On November 21, 2022 at 9:39:09 AM UTC-7, Nasti Chestikov wrote:

    Just a heads up
    https://www.gnu.org/software/gnubg/
    Not sure what's new, first update in many years.

    They had announced a preview version by email
    to the bug-gnubg list a few weeks ago (which my
    below thread was about).

    "Bug-gnubg censors their own daddy Wong's "official complaint form"

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.backgammon/c/HWVvHeLgCpA/m/qSyhN5kBBgAJ

    Then they announced the release by email to the
    bug-gnubg list again last week. I wanted to wait
    and see if they would announce it here also but
    they haven't.

    I can understand if they feel like they are an elite
    group and sneer at participating in discussions
    in RGB but I can't understand why they wouldn't
    announce new releases of their precious bot here?

    MK

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  • From Nasti Chestikov@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 25 09:25:59 2022
    On Wednesday, 23 November 2022 at 23:03:00 UTC, MK wrote:
    plexities at
    different stages of the games).

    About a month ago Tim suggested a similar
    improvement, from a different perspective on
    "position complexity" (which I don't subscribe
    to but neither oppose, as any progress is better
    than stagnation), even including ideas on how
    it could be implemented but it didn't receive a
    single response from the group.

    Too bad... :(

    MK

    The dice.c files have different file sizes. I did put them side by side in Notepad++ using the Compare plugin but my knowledge of C++ is sketchy so I don't know what (or why) the additional code is doing.

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to Nasti Chestikov on Sun Nov 27 18:08:40 2022
    On November 25, 2022 at 10:26:00 AM UTC-7, Nasti Chestikov wrote:

    The dice.c files have different file sizes.
    I did put them side by side in Notepad++

    You can actually look at revision logs of
    each source file at:

    https://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/gnubg/gnubg/

    You can click on the revision number of any
    file to see a history of all its revisions with
    brief descriptions, like this one for dice.c

    https://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/gnubg/gnubg/dice.c?view=log

    One of the many options is "Diff to previous
    version". If you click on that for any version,
    it shows all changes in a really nice, side by
    side and color coded format, even including
    three lines of code above and below the lines
    modified, like this last version for dice.c

    https://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/gnubg/gnubg/dice.c?r1=1.105&r2=1.106

    using the Compare plugin but my knowledge
    of C++ is sketchy so I don't know what (or why)
    the additional code is doing.

    Some (most??) changes are commented but
    you may need to look at more/all of the code
    to understand what is doing what, which may
    not be so easy even for people who know the
    language well and who are already familiar
    with the entire pile of code.

    It's often fun enough to poke around. Enjoy... :)

    MK

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