On November 10, 2022 at 5:56:35 AM UTC-7, Tim Chow wrote:
On 11/8/2022 5:58 PM, MK wrote:
It contains paragraphs like this from me:
"I believe that bots will eventually become smart
"enough to use dynamic strategy against their
"opponents, even if it may not happen soon.
I've probably mentioned this before here on r.g.b.,
but already in 1999 there had been held a computer
roshambo (rock-paper-scissors) tournament that
had demonstrated the concept of exploiting the
opponent's weaknesses.
I vaguely remember you mentioning it briefly in a
similar context, as well as other things like coin
toss football, chickens crossing the road, both gg
players with 10 pieces each on their 1-point, etc.
in relation to skills and strategies in bg/gg.
Of course, it was impossible to gain an advantage
in head-to-head play against the "optimal" strategy
of purely random choices, but the top programs
scored massively better than the "optimal" strategy
did in the round-robin tournament.
As with your other examples that were either irrelevant
to bg/gg, or failed to prove "cube skill", or maintained
the argument for "optimum strategy", I don't understand
what's your point again this time?
My argument is that there is no such thing as a single
"optimum strategy", that currently humans are capable
of flexible/alternative strategies but bots aren't but that
bots will also become capable of this in the future.
You may call a "consistent player's" (i.e. a bot's) strategy
"optimum", (regardless of its skill level), only while it's
playing against itself.
When it plays against another bot or human opponent,
that opponent's strategy can be just as "optimum" and
either side can exploit the other, whether consistently
one-sidedly or both sides continuously taking turns at
exploiting each other.
Once a bot (or human) deviates from the strategy that
it considers "optimum" in order to exploit the opponent,
then you can't talk about "optimum strategy" anymore.
You can't have your optimum and eat it too! (© Murat K:)
If you think you understand my argument, can you make
a clear statement on whether you agree or disagree with
me? In other words, are you still arguing that there is and
always will be an "optimal strategy" in bg/gg such that no
other deviating strategy will be able to gain an advantage
against it?
MK
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