Parents tend to claim that they love all their children just the same.
But the fact is that different children have different personalities,
and therefore may have different levels of appeal.
Unfortunately, favouritism often arises between siblings.

Therefore, even if you think XG and I, in the position below,
have positions that are of the same value, it's unlikely that you
would rate both sides the same way. Either my position or
XG's position must be your favourite.

Whose position do you prefer?
XG's or mine?

And by how much?
And of course the position should take my current roll into account.
After all, parents will consider their child's recent actions when evaluating them.

Paul

XGID=--BB--DbD---bC--abacb-b---:1:-1:1:66:0:0:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O O | | O O O | +---+
| X O | | O O O | | 2 |
| X | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| X | | X |
| X | | X |
| O X O | | X X X |
| O X O | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 105 O: 128 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 66

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On 8/11/2022 4:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:

XGID=--BB--DbD---bC--abacb-b---:1:-1:1:66:0:0:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O O | | O O O | +---+
| X O | | O O O | | 2 |
| X | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| X | | X |
| X | | X |
| O X O | | X X X |
| O X O | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 105 O: 128 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 66

I think I'd still prefer your position. Obviously, this roll leaves
you with an inflexible position with a lot of nearly-dead checkers.
You could leave a double direct shot soon when O has a strong board.
But having all your checkers escaped to the midpoint when you're
over 40 pips up in the race can cover over a multitude of sins.

---
Tim Chow

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On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 4:28:33 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:

Parents tend to claim that they love all their children just the same.
But the fact is that different children have different personalities,
and therefore may have different levels of appeal.
Unfortunately, favouritism often arises between siblings.

Therefore, even if you think XG and I, in the position below,
have positions that are of the same value, it's unlikely that you
would rate both sides the same way. Either my position or
XG's position must be your favourite.

Whose position do you prefer?
XG's or mine?

And by how much?
And of course the position should take my current roll into account.
After all, parents will consider their child's recent actions when evaluating them.

Paul

XGID=--BB--DbD---bC--abacb-b---:1:-1:1:66:0:0:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O O | | O O O | +---+
| X O | | O O O | | 2 |
| X | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| X | | X |
| X | | X |
| O X O | | X X X |
| O X O | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 105 O: 128 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 66

Definitely want to be you and I don't see it as close.

Stick

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On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 12:01:41 PM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:

On 8/11/2022 4:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:

XGID=--BB--DbD---bC--abacb-b---:1:-1:1:66:0:0:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O O | | O O O | +---+
| X O | | O O O | | 2 |
| X | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| X | | X |
| X | | X |
| O X O | | X X X |
| O X O | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 105 O: 128 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 66

I think I'd still prefer your position. Obviously, this roll leaves
you with an inflexible position with a lot of nearly-dead checkers.
You could leave a double direct shot soon when O has a strong board.
But having all your checkers escaped to the midpoint when you're
over 40 pips up in the race can cover over a multitude of sins.

---
Tim Chow

I don't want to roll this out but XG's initial analysis gave me an edge of about 0.06 which is
in line with your thoughts. But I thought I was well behind here -- for one thing I've lost the cube.

Paul

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On 8/11/2022 4:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:

Whose position do you prefer?
XG's or mine?

And by how much?
And of course the position should take my current roll into account.
After all, parents will consider their child's recent actions when evaluating them.

Paul

XGID=--BB--DbD---bC--abacb-b---:1:-1:1:66:0:0:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O O | | O O O | +---+
| X O | | O O O | | 2 |
| X | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| X | | X |
| X | | X |
| O X O | | X X X |
| O X O | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 105 O: 128 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 66

Were the cube centered I would have shipped it, and I don't think X's
position has deteriorated, so I prefer X's position. I'd say 70 to 75%
GWC for X.

--
Ah....Clem
The future is fun, the future is fair.

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