• QFTCIWSS24 Game 4, Rounds 9-10: worsts and bears

    From Mark Brader@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 3 20:50:21 2025
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    ** Game 4, Round 9 - Sports - Baseball Worsts

    With the Chicago White Sox hitting a new low in baseball futility
    this week, it seemed like an ideal time to celebrate boneheaded
    plays, mistakes, goofs, and scandals in America's pastime.

    1. Considered by many fans to be the "original" baseball blunder,
    in 1908 Al Bridwell hit an RBI single to right field in the
    bottom of the 9th in a season-clinching game for the New York
    Giants with Fred Merkle on first and Moose McCormick on third.
    However, the RBI was disallowed. Why?

    2. In 1993, Jose Canseco, playing right field, allowed a home
    run against the Oakland Athletics in an unconventional manner.
    How did it happen?

    3. Game 7 of the 1926 World Series was ended when a player was
    caught stealing -- the only time in history a failed steal
    has led to a World Series victory. What legendary player got
    picked off?

    4. Please decode the rot13 for this question only after you have
    finished with the previous one. Fcrnxvat bs Onor Ehgu, va
    1919 gur Obfgba Erq Fbk fbyq uvf pbagenpg gb gur Arj Lbex
    Lnaxrrf sbe $100,000, naq Obfgba gura haqrejrag n yrtraqnel
    Jbeyq Frevrf qebhtug bsgra pnyyrq "gur Phefr bs gur Onzovab".
    Jvguva 1, ubj znal lrnef qvq gur Phefr bs gur Onzovab ynfg?

    5. In 1993, Joe Carter won the World Series for the Blue Jays on
    a bottom-of-the-9th, 2-out home run. The reliever who gave
    up the homer, until that point one of the best relief pitchers
    in baseball, was shattered by the failure and his career only
    lasted for fragments of the next 3 seasons. Give us either
    his name or his infamous nickname.

    6. The Chicago White Sox now have the record for the worst season
    in the modern baseball era (i.e. from 1901 onward). However,
    another team has the record for worst season of all time,
    with a record of 20 wins and 134 losses. Which team is it?
    City and team name required.

    7. The worst ERA of any pitcher to still have pitched enough innings
    (at least 162 over a season) to qualify for the ERA title
    belongs to Les Sweetland of the 1930 Philadelphia Phillies.
    Within 0.3, what was his season ERA?

    8. In August of 1920, Carl Mays of the New York Yankees hit
    Ray Chapman of the Cleveland Indians in the head with a pitch.
    Why was this noteworthy?

    9. Who is the all-time leader in baseball for getting caught
    stealing, with 335 caught steals?

    10. In 2003, during the National League Championship Series,
    the Chicago Cubs were on the brink of defeating the Florida
    Marlins and advancing to the World Series when a fan attempted to
    catch a fly ball that was above outfielder Moises Alou's head.
    The fan's attempt was ruled to not be fan interference, turning
    what might otherwise have been an out into a safe ball, and the
    Cubs eventually lost the game. What was the name of that fan,
    who was subsequently harassed for years by angry Cubs fans?


    ** Game 4, Round 10 - Challenge - Bears

    * A. Arty Bears

    A1. Which Austrian composer's 82nd Symphony -- one of his six
    Paris Symphonies -- is nicknamed the "Bear Symphony"?

    A2. "Head of a Bear" is a sketch that sold at auction in 2021
    for 8,800,000 British pounds. Which artist drew the sketch?


    * B. Hollywood Bears

    B1. Walter Matthau played alcoholic coach Morris Buttermaker
    in the original movie "The Bad News Bears". Who played
    Buttermaker in the 2005 remake?

    B2. Name the lead actor in the current dramedic series "The
    Bear", about a chef trying to remake his late brother's
    Italian beef-sandwich shop.


    * C. Da Bears (and Da Other Bears)

    C1. In what stadium do the NFL's Chicago Bears play?

    C2. In what year did the NBA's Vancouver Grizzlies move to
    Memphis?


    * D. Actual Bear Bears

    D1. Variously cited as either the largest type of bear in the
    world, or second-largest after the polar bear, is a certain
    *subspecies* of brown bear. What is it called?

    D2. Only one species of bear is native to South America.
    What is its name?


    * E. Bear Markets

    E1. The Panic of 1901 was a stock market crash, and a response
    to what tragic event that happened that year?

    E2. Two major American investment banks went bankrupt during
    the 2008 financial crisis. One of them was Bear Sterns.
    Name the *other* one.


    * F. Canadian Bears

    F1. What bear is the official animal of British Columbia?

    F2. What was the full name of the Canadian black bear cub who
    was the mascot of the 2nd Canadian Infantry Brigade during
    World War I, and who retired to the London Zoo?

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  • From Dan Blum@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Sun May 4 03:37:57 2025
    Mark Brader <[email protected]> wrote:

    ** Game 4, Round 9 - Sports - Baseball Worsts

    3. Game 7 of the 1926 World Series was ended when a player was
    caught stealing -- the only time in history a failed steal
    has led to a World Series victory. What legendary player got
    picked off?

    Babe Ruth

    4. Please decode the rot13 for this question only after you have
    finished with the previous one. Fcrnxvat bs Onor Ehgu, va
    1919 gur Obfgba Erq Fbk fbyq uvf pbagenpg gb gur Arj Lbex
    Lnaxrrf sbe $100,000, naq Obfgba gura haqrejrag n yrtraqnel
    Jbeyq Frevrf qebhtug bsgra pnyyrq "gur Phefr bs gur Onzovab".
    Jvguva 1, ubj znal lrnef qvq gur Phefr bs gur Onzovab ynfg?

    85

    6. The Chicago White Sox now have the record for the worst season
    in the modern baseball era (i.e. from 1901 onward). However,
    another team has the record for worst season of all time,
    with a record of 20 wins and 134 losses. Which team is it?
    City and team name required.

    Richmond Spiders

    ** Game 4, Round 10 - Challenge - Bears

    * A. Arty Bears

    A1. Which Austrian composer's 82nd Symphony -- one of his six
    Paris Symphonies -- is nicknamed the "Bear Symphony"?

    Schubert

    A2. "Head of a Bear" is a sketch that sold at auction in 2021
    for 8,800,000 British pounds. Which artist drew the sketch?

    Picasso; Van Gogh

    * C. Da Bears (and Da Other Bears)

    C1. In what stadium do the NFL's Chicago Bears play?

    Soldier Field

    * D. Actual Bear Bears

    D1. Variously cited as either the largest type of bear in the
    world, or second-largest after the polar bear, is a certain
    *subspecies* of brown bear. What is it called?

    Kodiak brown bear

    D2. Only one species of bear is native to South America.
    What is its name?

    spectacled bear

    * E. Bear Markets

    E1. The Panic of 1901 was a stock market crash, and a response
    to what tragic event that happened that year?

    assassination of William McKinley

    E2. Two major American investment banks went bankrupt during
    the 2008 financial crisis. One of them was Bear Sterns.
    Name the *other* one.

    Lehmann Brothers

    --
    _______________________________________________________________________
    Dan Blum [email protected]
    "I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."

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  • From Joshua Kreitzer@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Sat May 3 23:18:19 2025
    On 5/3/2025 3:50 PM, Mark Brader wrote:

    ** Game 4, Round 9 - Sports - Baseball Worsts

    With the Chicago White Sox hitting a new low in baseball futility
    this week, it seemed like an ideal time to celebrate boneheaded
    plays, mistakes, goofs, and scandals in America's pastime.

    1. Considered by many fans to be the "original" baseball blunder,
    in 1908 Al Bridwell hit an RBI single to right field in the
    bottom of the 9th in a season-clinching game for the New York
    Giants with Fred Merkle on first and Moose McCormick on third.
    However, the RBI was disallowed. Why?

    Merkle failed to touch second base

    3. Game 7 of the 1926 World Series was ended when a player was
    caught stealing -- the only time in history a failed steal
    has led to a World Series victory. What legendary player got
    picked off?

    Babe Ruth

    4. Please decode the rot13 for this question only after you have
    finished with the previous one. Fcrnxvat bs Onor Ehgu, va
    1919 gur Obfgba Erq Fbk fbyq uvf pbagenpg gb gur Arj Lbex
    Lnaxrrf sbe $100,000, naq Obfgba gura haqrejrag n yrtraqnel
    Jbeyq Frevrf qebhtug bsgra pnyyrq "gur Phefr bs gur Onzovab".
    Jvguva 1, ubj znal lrnef qvq gur Phefr bs gur Onzovab ynfg?

    85; 88

    6. The Chicago White Sox now have the record for the worst season
    in the modern baseball era (i.e. from 1901 onward). However,
    another team has the record for worst season of all time,
    with a record of 20 wins and 134 losses. Which team is it?
    City and team name required.

    Cleveland Spiders

    7. The worst ERA of any pitcher to still have pitched enough innings
    (at least 162 over a season) to qualify for the ERA title
    belongs to Les Sweetland of the 1930 Philadelphia Phillies.
    Within 0.3, what was his season ERA?

    7.20; 7.81

    8. In August of 1920, Carl Mays of the New York Yankees hit
    Ray Chapman of the Cleveland Indians in the head with a pitch.
    Why was this noteworthy?

    Chapman died from the injury

    10. In 2003, during the National League Championship Series,
    the Chicago Cubs were on the brink of defeating the Florida
    Marlins and advancing to the World Series when a fan attempted to
    catch a fly ball that was above outfielder Moises Alou's head.
    The fan's attempt was ruled to not be fan interference, turning
    what might otherwise have been an out into a safe ball, and the
    Cubs eventually lost the game. What was the name of that fan,
    who was subsequently harassed for years by angry Cubs fans?

    Bartman

    ** Game 4, Round 10 - Challenge - Bears

    * A. Arty Bears

    A1. Which Austrian composer's 82nd Symphony -- one of his six
    Paris Symphonies -- is nicknamed the "Bear Symphony"?

    Haydn

    * B. Hollywood Bears

    B1. Walter Matthau played alcoholic coach Morris Buttermaker
    in the original movie "The Bad News Bears". Who played
    Buttermaker in the 2005 remake?

    Thornton

    * C. Da Bears (and Da Other Bears)

    C1. In what stadium do the NFL's Chicago Bears play?

    Soldier Field

    C2. In what year did the NBA's Vancouver Grizzlies move to
    Memphis?

    2002; 2003

    * D. Actual Bear Bears

    D1. Variously cited as either the largest type of bear in the
    world, or second-largest after the polar bear, is a certain
    *subspecies* of brown bear. What is it called?

    Kodiak bear

    * E. Bear Markets

    E1. The Panic of 1901 was a stock market crash, and a response
    to what tragic event that happened that year?

    assassination of William McKinley

    E2. Two major American investment banks went bankrupt during
    the 2008 financial crisis. One of them was Bear Sterns.
    Name the *other* one.

    Lehman Bros. (??)

    * F. Canadian Bears

    F1. What bear is the official animal of British Columbia?

    grizzly bear

    --
    Joshua Kreitzer
    [email protected]

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  • From Erland Sommarskog@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Sun May 4 09:33:21 2025
    Mark Brader ([email protected]) writes:
    ** Game 4, Round 9 - Sports - Baseball Worsts


    ** Game 4, Round 10 - Challenge - Bears

    * A. Arty Bears

    A1. Which Austrian composer's 82nd Symphony -- one of his six
    Paris Symphonies -- is nicknamed the "Bear Symphony"?

    Haydn

    * D. Actual Bear Bears

    D1. Variously cited as either the largest type of bear in the
    world, or second-largest after the polar bear, is a certain
    *subspecies* of brown bear. What is it called?

    Grizzly

    E2. Two major American investment banks went bankrupt during
    the 2008 financial crisis. One of them was Bear Sterns.
    Name the *other* one.

    Lemahn Brothers

    * F. Canadian Bears

    F1. What bear is the official animal of British Columbia?

    Grizzly bear

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  • From Dan Tilque@21:1/5 to Mark Brader on Sun May 4 08:01:09 2025
    On 5/3/25 13:50, Mark Brader wrote:


    ** Game 4, Round 9 - Sports - Baseball Worsts

    With the Chicago White Sox hitting a new low in baseball futility
    this week, it seemed like an ideal time to celebrate boneheaded
    plays, mistakes, goofs, and scandals in America's pastime.

    1. Considered by many fans to be the "original" baseball blunder,
    in 1908 Al Bridwell hit an RBI single to right field in the
    bottom of the 9th in a season-clinching game for the New York
    Giants with Fred Merkle on first and Moose McCormick on third.
    However, the RBI was disallowed. Why?

    2. In 1993, Jose Canseco, playing right field, allowed a home
    run against the Oakland Athletics in an unconventional manner.
    How did it happen?

    3. Game 7 of the 1926 World Series was ended when a player was
    caught stealing -- the only time in history a failed steal
    has led to a World Series victory. What legendary player got
    picked off?

    4. Please decode the rot13 for this question only after you have
    finished with the previous one. Fcrnxvat bs Onor Ehgu, va
    1919 gur Obfgba Erq Fbk fbyq uvf pbagenpg gb gur Arj Lbex
    Lnaxrrf sbe $100,000, naq Obfgba gura haqrejrag n yrtraqnel
    Jbeyq Frevrf qebhtug bsgra pnyyrq "gur Phefr bs gur Onzovab".
    Jvguva 1, ubj znal lrnef qvq gur Phefr bs gur Onzovab ynfg?

    5. In 1993, Joe Carter won the World Series for the Blue Jays on
    a bottom-of-the-9th, 2-out home run. The reliever who gave
    up the homer, until that point one of the best relief pitchers
    in baseball, was shattered by the failure and his career only
    lasted for fragments of the next 3 seasons. Give us either
    his name or his infamous nickname.

    6. The Chicago White Sox now have the record for the worst season
    in the modern baseball era (i.e. from 1901 onward). However,
    another team has the record for worst season of all time,
    with a record of 20 wins and 134 losses. Which team is it?
    City and team name required.

    7. The worst ERA of any pitcher to still have pitched enough innings
    (at least 162 over a season) to qualify for the ERA title
    belongs to Les Sweetland of the 1930 Philadelphia Phillies.
    Within 0.3, what was his season ERA?

    8. In August of 1920, Carl Mays of the New York Yankees hit
    Ray Chapman of the Cleveland Indians in the head with a pitch.
    Why was this noteworthy?

    9. Who is the all-time leader in baseball for getting caught
    stealing, with 335 caught steals?

    10. In 2003, during the National League Championship Series,
    the Chicago Cubs were on the brink of defeating the Florida
    Marlins and advancing to the World Series when a fan attempted to
    catch a fly ball that was above outfielder Moises Alou's head.
    The fan's attempt was ruled to not be fan interference, turning
    what might otherwise have been an out into a safe ball, and the
    Cubs eventually lost the game. What was the name of that fan,
    who was subsequently harassed for years by angry Cubs fans?


    ** Game 4, Round 10 - Challenge - Bears

    * A. Arty Bears

    A1. Which Austrian composer's 82nd Symphony -- one of his six
    Paris Symphonies -- is nicknamed the "Bear Symphony"?

    A2. "Head of a Bear" is a sketch that sold at auction in 2021
    for 8,800,000 British pounds. Which artist drew the sketch?


    * B. Hollywood Bears

    B1. Walter Matthau played alcoholic coach Morris Buttermaker
    in the original movie "The Bad News Bears". Who played
    Buttermaker in the 2005 remake?

    B2. Name the lead actor in the current dramedic series "The
    Bear", about a chef trying to remake his late brother's
    Italian beef-sandwich shop.


    * C. Da Bears (and Da Other Bears)

    C1. In what stadium do the NFL's Chicago Bears play?

    Soldier Field


    C2. In what year did the NBA's Vancouver Grizzlies move to
    Memphis?


    * D. Actual Bear Bears

    D1. Variously cited as either the largest type of bear in the
    world, or second-largest after the polar bear, is a certain
    *subspecies* of brown bear. What is it called?

    Kodiak


    D2. Only one species of bear is native to South America.
    What is its name?


    * E. Bear Markets

    E1. The Panic of 1901 was a stock market crash, and a response
    to what tragic event that happened that year?

    President McKinley being assassinated


    E2. Two major American investment banks went bankrupt during
    the 2008 financial crisis. One of them was Bear Sterns.
    Name the *other* one.

    AIG



    * F. Canadian Bears

    F1. What bear is the official animal of British Columbia?

    F2. What was the full name of the Canadian black bear cub who
    was the mascot of the 2nd Canadian Infantry Brigade during
    World War I, and who retired to the London Zoo?


    --
    Dan Tilque

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  • From Mark Brader@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 6 23:38:57 2025
    Mark Brader:
    These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2024-09-30,
    and should be interpreted accordingly... For further information
    please see my 2024-08-30 companion posting on "Questions from the
    Canadian Inquisition (QFTCI*)".

    Game 4 is complete and the winner by a big margin is JOSHUA
    KREITZER. Hearty congratulations, eh?


    ** Game 4, Round 9 - Sports - Baseball Worsts

    With the Chicago White Sox hitting a new low in baseball futility
    this week, it seemed like an ideal time to celebrate boneheaded
    plays, mistakes, goofs, and scandals in America's pastime.

    This was the hardest round in the original game.

    1. Considered by many fans to be the "original" baseball blunder,
    in 1908 Al Bridwell hit an RBI single to right field in the
    bottom of the 9th in a season-clinching game for the New York
    Giants with Fred Merkle on first and Moose McCormick on third.
    However, the RBI was disallowed. Why?

    Merkle failed to touch second base. 4 for Joshua and Pete.

    2. In 1993, Jose Canseco, playing right field, allowed a home
    run against the Oakland Athletics in an unconventional manner.
    How did it happen?

    The ball bounced off his head and over the outfield fence.
    4 for Pete.

    3. Game 7 of the 1926 World Series was ended when a player was
    caught stealing -- the only time in history a failed steal
    has led to a World Series victory. What legendary player got
    picked off?

    Babe Ruth. 4 for Dan Blum and Joshua. 3 for Pete.

    4. Please decode the rot13 for this question only after you have
    finished with the previous one. Speaking of Babe Ruth, in
    1919 the Boston Red Sox sold his contract to the New York
    Yankees for $100,000, and Boston then underwent a legendary
    World Series drought often called "the Curse of the Bambino".
    Within 1, how many years did the Curse of the Bambino last?

    85 (through 2003 inclusive) (accepting 84-86). 4 for Dan Blum
    and Pete. 3 for Joshua.

    In the original game the expected answer was 86, but would only be
    correct if the non-cursed year of 2004 was included, and that's not
    how the question was worded.

    5. In 1993, Joe Carter won the World Series for the Blue Jays on
    a bottom-of-the-9th, 2-out home run. The reliever who gave
    up the homer, until that point one of the best relief pitchers
    in baseball, was shattered by the failure and his career only
    lasted for fragments of the next 3 seasons. Give us either
    his name or his infamous nickname.

    Mitch Williams, "Wild Thing".

    6. The Chicago White Sox now have the record for the worst season
    in the modern baseball era (i.e. from 1901 onward). However,
    another team has the record for worst season of all time,
    with a record of 20 wins and 134 losses. Which team is it?
    City and team name required.

    Cleveland Spiders. 4 for Joshua.

    7. The worst ERA of any pitcher to still have pitched enough innings
    (at least 162 over a season) to qualify for the ERA title
    belongs to Les Sweetland of the 1930 Philadelphia Phillies.
    Within 0.3, what was his season ERA?

    7.71 (accepting 7.41-8.01). 2 for Joshua.

    8. In August of 1920, Carl Mays of the New York Yankees hit
    Ray Chapman of the Cleveland Indians in the head with a pitch.
    Why was this noteworthy?

    Chapman died of the injury (that night). 4 for Joshua and Pete.

    9. Who is the all-time leader in baseball for getting caught
    stealing, with 335 caught steals?

    Rickey Henderson. 4 for Pete.

    10. In 2003, during the National League Championship Series,
    the Chicago Cubs were on the brink of defeating the Florida
    Marlins and advancing to the World Series when a fan attempted to
    catch a fly ball that was above outfielder Moises Alou's head.
    The fan's attempt was ruled to not be fan interference, turning
    what might otherwise have been an out into a safe ball, and the
    Cubs eventually lost the game. What was the name of that fan,
    who was subsequently harassed for years by angry Cubs fans?

    Steve Bartman. 4 for Joshua and Pete.


    ** Game 4, Round 10 - Challenge - Bears

    * A. Arty Bears

    A1. Which Austrian composer's 82nd Symphony -- one of his six
    Paris Symphonies -- is nicknamed the "Bear Symphony"?

    Josef Haydn. 4 for Joshua, Erland, and Pete.

    A2. "Head of a Bear" is a sketch that sold at auction in 2021
    for 8,800,000 British pounds. Which artist drew the sketch?

    Leonardo da Vinci.

    See: https://www.eurographics.ca/en/products/details/1705P-65465


    * B. Hollywood Bears

    B1. Walter Matthau played alcoholic coach Morris Buttermaker
    in the original movie "The Bad News Bears". Who played
    Buttermaker in the 2005 remake?

    Billy Bob Thornton. 4 for Joshua.

    B2. Name the lead actor in the current dramedic series "The
    Bear", about a chef trying to remake his late brother's
    Italian beef-sandwich shop.

    Jeremy Allen White.


    * C. Da Bears (and Da Other Bears)

    C1. In what stadium do the NFL's Chicago Bears play?

    Soldier Field. 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua, Dan Tilque, and Pete.

    C2. In what year did the NBA's Vancouver Grizzlies move to
    Memphis?

    2001.


    * D. Actual Bear Bears

    D1. Variously cited as either the largest type of bear in the
    world, or second-largest after the polar bear, is a certain
    *subspecies* of brown bear. What is it called?

    Kodiak bear. 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua, and Dan Tilque.

    D2. Only one species of bear is native to South America.
    What is its name?

    Spectacled bear. 4 for Dan Blum.


    * E. Bear Markets

    E1. The Panic of 1901 was a stock market crash, and a response
    to what tragic event that happened that year?

    The assassination of US President McKinley. 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua,
    Dan Tilque, and Pete.

    E2. Two major American investment banks went bankrupt during
    the 2008 financial crisis. One of them was Bear Sterns.
    Name the *other* one.

    Lehman Brothers. 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua, Erland, and Pete.


    * F. Canadian Bears

    F1. What bear is the official animal of British Columbia?

    Spirit or kermode bear.

    F2. What was the full name of the Canadian black bear cub who
    was the mascot of the 2nd Canadian Infantry Brigade during
    World War I, and who retired to the London Zoo?

    Winnipeg. (Who Winnie-the-Pooh was named after.)


    Scores, if there are no errors:

    GAME 4 ROUNDS-> 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 BEST
    TOPICS-> Ent Lit Sci Can Geo Mis Spo Cha SIX
    Joshua Kreitzer 28 28 10 8 27 7 25 24 142
    Pete Gayde 24 4 9 2 0 4 27 16 84
    Erland Sommarskog 12 0 12 0 24 4 0 8 60
    Dan Tilque 12 8 20 0 8 0 0 12 60
    Dan Blum -- -- 16 4 4 8 8 20 60

    --
    Mark Brader | "But [he] had already established his own reputation
    Toronto | as someone who wrote poetry that mentioned the el." [email protected] | --Al Kriman

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