• WLC 2023 : ROUND 13: 2023 Feb 15

    From NN@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 11 18:20:27 2023
    RANDOM : [15, 7, 26, 13, 20, 14, 41, 40, 8, 42, 49, 51, 2, 53, 56, 21, 17, 31, 37, 36, 57, 30, 24, 4]

    NIGEL : [7, 26, 13, 20, 14, 41, 40, 8, 42, 49, 51, 2, 53, 56, 21, 17, 31, 37, 36, 57, 30, 24, 4, 15]

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  • From NN@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 12 03:58:49 2023
    [7, 58, 8, 55, 47, 57, 1, 21, 40, 27, 52, 42, 44, 39, 11, 33, 15, 6, 35, 36, 19, 25, 14, 23]

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  • From Jerome Fandor@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 12 14:07:16 2023
    "NN" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    RANDOM : [15, 7, 26, 13, 20, 14, 41, 40, 8, 42, 49, 51, 2, 53, 56, 21, 17, 31, 37, 36, 57, 30, 24, 4]

    NIGEL : [7, 26, 13, 20, 14, 41, 40, 8, 42, 49, 51, 2, 53, 56, 21, 17, 31, 37, 36, 57, 30, 24, 4, 15]


    Cheers NN.

    I'll submit all the entries on one email

    Elton:
    4 32 9 54 16 44 36 30 48 49 22 19 45 24 14 20 8 21 18 7 11 6 1 39

    Jerome:
    19 3 53 37 1 47 55 31 43 41 13 8 40 5 23 59 17 35 29 34 21 11 2 7

    Jinks
    37 3 30 25 59 53 42 2 31 58 46 13 55 26 29 33 27 20 16 28 47 57 56 34

    :-)
    Jerome

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?546L5Lm+5oe/IFdhbmcgUWlhb@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 07:52:00 2023
    Nan
    19 7 3 8 53 1 37 21 11 47 55 31 43 41 40 13 23 35 5 59 17 29 34 2
    Leela
    19 7 58 8 1 55 21 47 11 57 44 40 36 27 39 23 14 35 6 52 42 33 15 25
    Alphazero
    19 4 7 32 8 9 1 54 21 16 11 44 36 30 48 49 39 14 6 22 45 24 20 18

    Nan ;-(

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  • From NN@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 16:43:55 2023
    Result = [10, 20, 34, 42, 50, 56] + bonus= 14


    RANDOM caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 45 [20, 15, 10]
    NIGEL caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 48 [21, 16, 11]
    NN caught: {42} +b ==> score: 13 [13]
    Nan caught: {34} ==> score: 2 [2]
    Leela caught: {42} +b ==> score: 4 [4]
    Alphazero caught: {20} +b ==> score: 2 [2]
    Elton caught: {20} +b ==> score: 9 [9]
    Jerome caught: {34} ==> score: 5 [5]
    Jinks caught: {56, 34, 42, 20} ==> score: 28 [18, 7, 2, 1] --------------------



    NN [23, 59, 72, 79, 28, 40, 45, 0, 9, 52, 40, 14, 13] = 474
    Jinks [39, 11, 12, 54, 39, 68, 59, 51, 21, 13, 21, 21, 28] = 437
    Random [28, 14, 47, 67, 31, 35, 43, 40, 40, 7, 22, 2, 45] = 421
    Jerome [23, 10, 2, 24, 37, 29, 37, 56, 57, 48, 28, 60, 5] = 416
    Nan [36, 18, 33, 55, 24, 38, 61, 32, 26, 25, 31, 19, 2] = 400
    Nigel [32, 17, 51, 46, 10, 39, 46, 43, 19, 8, 24, 3, 48] = 386
    Leela [28, 4, 43, 30, 19, 48, 64, 30, 20, 22, 33, 19, 4] = 364
    Elton [56, 51, 15, 23, 12, 38, 18, 6, 25, 17, 17, 51, 9] = 338 Alphazero [29, 1, 16, 49, 24, 20, 62, 29, 15, 20, 30, 19, 2] = 316



    Well done to Random and Nigel. Finally good news
    Good catch of 4 Jinks

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?546L5Lm+5oe/IFdhbmcgUWlhb@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 16:59:11 2023
    As I assumed, it was a ;-( result.
    Nan

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?546L5Lm+5oe/IFdhbmcgUWlhb@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 17:43:40 2023
    The subjective variable is a common mistake humans make when forecasting. In the event that a law is intentionally changed by a higher civilization of the universe to a certain established law, it will have a profound effect on the universe matter at the
    subjective level, resulting in the collapse of a civilization. Consequently, I speculate that the random prediction is not the original specific law of the universe, but rather a cover that has been processed and altered to confuse lower civilizations.
    Consequently, neither macro- nor micro-level breakthroughs have been achieved. Nan

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  • From Marmaduke Jinks@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 06:18:48 2023
    "NN" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    Result = [10, 20, 34, 42, 50, 56] + bonus= 14


    RANDOM caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 45 [20, 15, 10] NIGEL caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 48 [21, 16, 11]
    NN caught: {42} +b ==> score: 13 [13]
    Nan caught: {34} ==> score: 2 [2]
    Leela caught: {42} +b ==> score: 4 [4]
    Alphazero caught: {20} +b ==> score: 2 [2]
    Elton caught: {20} +b ==> score: 9 [9]
    Jerome caught: {34} ==> score: 5 [5]
    Jinks caught: {56, 34, 42, 20} ==> score: 28 [18, 7, 2, 1] --------------------



    NN [23, 59, 72, 79, 28, 40, 45, 0, 9, 52, 40, 14, 13] = 474
    Jinks [39, 11, 12, 54, 39, 68, 59, 51, 21, 13, 21, 21, 28] = 437 Random [28, 14, 47, 67, 31, 35, 43, 40, 40, 7, 22, 2, 45] = 421 Jerome [23, 10, 2, 24, 37, 29, 37, 56, 57, 48, 28, 60, 5] = 416
    Nan [36, 18, 33, 55, 24, 38, 61, 32, 26, 25, 31, 19, 2] = 400
    Nigel [32, 17, 51, 46, 10, 39, 46, 43, 19, 8, 24, 3, 48] = 386
    Leela [28, 4, 43, 30, 19, 48, 64, 30, 20, 22, 33, 19, 4] = 364
    Elton [56, 51, 15, 23, 12, 38, 18, 6, 25, 17, 17, 51, 9] = 338 Alphazero [29, 1, 16, 49, 24, 20, 62, 29, 15, 20, 30, 19, 2] = 316



    Well done to Random and Nigel. Finally good news
    Good catch of 4 Jinks

    Cheers :-)

    I think you're just clear enough in the lead to hold on.

    MJ

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  • From NN@21:1/5 to Marmaduke Jinks on Thu Feb 16 03:31:58 2023
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 06:19:04 UTC, Marmaduke Jinks wrote:
    "NN" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    Result = [10, 20, 34, 42, 50, 56] + bonus= 14


    RANDOM caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 45 [20, 15, 10]
    NIGEL caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 48 [21, 16, 11]
    NN caught: {42} +b ==> score: 13 [13]
    Nan caught: {34} ==> score: 2 [2]
    Leela caught: {42} +b ==> score: 4 [4]
    Alphazero caught: {20} +b ==> score: 2 [2]
    Elton caught: {20} +b ==> score: 9 [9]
    Jerome caught: {34} ==> score: 5 [5]
    Jinks caught: {56, 34, 42, 20} ==> score: 28 [18, 7, 2, 1] --------------------



    NN [23, 59, 72, 79, 28, 40, 45, 0, 9, 52, 40, 14, 13] = 474
    Jinks [39, 11, 12, 54, 39, 68, 59, 51, 21, 13, 21, 21, 28] = 437
    Random [28, 14, 47, 67, 31, 35, 43, 40, 40, 7, 22, 2, 45] = 421
    Jerome [23, 10, 2, 24, 37, 29, 37, 56, 57, 48, 28, 60, 5] = 416
    Nan [36, 18, 33, 55, 24, 38, 61, 32, 26, 25, 31, 19, 2] = 400
    Nigel [32, 17, 51, 46, 10, 39, 46, 43, 19, 8, 24, 3, 48] = 386
    Leela [28, 4, 43, 30, 19, 48, 64, 30, 20, 22, 33, 19, 4] = 364
    Elton [56, 51, 15, 23, 12, 38, 18, 6, 25, 17, 17, 51, 9] = 338
    Alphazero [29, 1, 16, 49, 24, 20, 62, 29, 15, 20, 30, 19, 2] = 316



    Well done to Random and Nigel. Finally good news
    Good catch of 4 Jinks

    Cheers :-)

    I think you're just clear enough in the lead to hold on.

    MJ

    You are right. My early lead has helped me stay ahead.
    However there's still 7 draws and I cant get complacent.

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  • From Marmaduke Jinks@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 14:38:47 2023
    "NN" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 06:19:04 UTC, Marmaduke Jinks wrote:
    "NN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    Result = [10, 20, 34, 42, 50, 56] + bonus= 14


    RANDOM caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 45 [20, 15, 10]
    NIGEL caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 48 [21, 16, 11]
    NN caught: {42} +b ==> score: 13 [13]
    Nan caught: {34} ==> score: 2 [2]
    Leela caught: {42} +b ==> score: 4 [4]
    Alphazero caught: {20} +b ==> score: 2 [2]
    Elton caught: {20} +b ==> score: 9 [9]
    Jerome caught: {34} ==> score: 5 [5]
    Jinks caught: {56, 34, 42, 20} ==> score: 28 [18, 7, 2, 1]
    --------------------



    NN [23, 59, 72, 79, 28, 40, 45, 0, 9, 52, 40, 14, 13] = 474
    Jinks [39, 11, 12, 54, 39, 68, 59, 51, 21, 13, 21, 21, 28] = 437
    Random [28, 14, 47, 67, 31, 35, 43, 40, 40, 7, 22, 2, 45] = 421
    Jerome [23, 10, 2, 24, 37, 29, 37, 56, 57, 48, 28, 60, 5] = 416
    Nan [36, 18, 33, 55, 24, 38, 61, 32, 26, 25, 31, 19, 2] = 400
    Nigel [32, 17, 51, 46, 10, 39, 46, 43, 19, 8, 24, 3, 48] = 386
    Leela [28, 4, 43, 30, 19, 48, 64, 30, 20, 22, 33, 19, 4] = 364
    Elton [56, 51, 15, 23, 12, 38, 18, 6, 25, 17, 17, 51, 9] = 338
    Alphazero [29, 1, 16, 49, 24, 20, 62, 29, 15, 20, 30, 19, 2] = 316



    Well done to Random and Nigel. Finally good news
    Good catch of 4 Jinks

    Cheers :-)

    I think you're just clear enough in the lead to hold on.

    MJ

    You are right. My early lead has helped me stay ahead.
    However there's still 7 draws and I cant get complacent.

    I remember the year I was leading at the end of week 19. Then got a big fat zero in week 20 and Nan beat me. ;-)

    MJ

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?546L5Lm+5oe/IFdhbmcgUWlhb@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 04:23:14 2023
    在 2023年2月16日星期四 UTC+8 22:39:02,<Marmaduke Jinks> 写道:
    "NN" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 06:19:04 UTC, Marmaduke Jinks wrote:
    "NN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    Result = [10, 20, 34, 42, 50, 56] + bonus= 14


    RANDOM caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 45 [20, 15, 10]
    NIGEL caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 48 [21, 16, 11]
    NN caught: {42} +b ==> score: 13 [13]
    Nan caught: {34} ==> score: 2 [2]
    Leela caught: {42} +b ==> score: 4 [4]
    Alphazero caught: {20} +b ==> score: 2 [2]
    Elton caught: {20} +b ==> score: 9 [9]
    Jerome caught: {34} ==> score: 5 [5]
    Jinks caught: {56, 34, 42, 20} ==> score: 28 [18, 7, 2, 1]
    --------------------



    NN [23, 59, 72, 79, 28, 40, 45, 0, 9, 52, 40, 14, 13] = 474
    Jinks [39, 11, 12, 54, 39, 68, 59, 51, 21, 13, 21, 21, 28] = 437
    Random [28, 14, 47, 67, 31, 35, 43, 40, 40, 7, 22, 2, 45] = 421
    Jerome [23, 10, 2, 24, 37, 29, 37, 56, 57, 48, 28, 60, 5] = 416
    Nan [36, 18, 33, 55, 24, 38, 61, 32, 26, 25, 31, 19, 2] = 400
    Nigel [32, 17, 51, 46, 10, 39, 46, 43, 19, 8, 24, 3, 48] = 386
    Leela [28, 4, 43, 30, 19, 48, 64, 30, 20, 22, 33, 19, 4] = 364
    Elton [56, 51, 15, 23, 12, 38, 18, 6, 25, 17, 17, 51, 9] = 338
    Alphazero [29, 1, 16, 49, 24, 20, 62, 29, 15, 20, 30, 19, 2] = 316



    Well done to Random and Nigel. Finally good news
    Good catch of 4 Jinks

    Cheers :-)

    I think you're just clear enough in the lead to hold on.

    MJ

    You are right. My early lead has helped me stay ahead.
    However there's still 7 draws and I cant get complacent.
    I remember the year I was leading at the end of week 19. Then got a big fat zero in week 20 and Nan beat me. ;-)

    MJ
    There are tricks to beat anyone. The year I got a 100 score, Random beat me in round 20 as well by using my round 19's numbers.
    Nan

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  • From Marmaduke Jinks@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 12:38:33 2023
    "??? Wang Qianyi (Nan)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    ? 2023?2?16???? UTC+8 22:39:02,<Marmaduke Jinks> ??:
    "NN" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Thursday, 16 February 2023 at 06:19:04 UTC, Marmaduke Jinks wrote:
    "NN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    Result = [10, 20, 34, 42, 50, 56] + bonus= 14


    RANDOM caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 45 [20, 15, 10]
    NIGEL caught: {56, 42, 20} +b ==> score: 48 [21, 16, 11]
    NN caught: {42} +b ==> score: 13 [13]
    Nan caught: {34} ==> score: 2 [2]
    Leela caught: {42} +b ==> score: 4 [4]
    Alphazero caught: {20} +b ==> score: 2 [2]
    Elton caught: {20} +b ==> score: 9 [9]
    Jerome caught: {34} ==> score: 5 [5]
    Jinks caught: {56, 34, 42, 20} ==> score: 28 [18, 7, 2, 1]
    --------------------



    NN [23, 59, 72, 79, 28, 40, 45, 0, 9, 52, 40, 14, 13] = 474
    Jinks [39, 11, 12, 54, 39, 68, 59, 51, 21, 13, 21, 21, 28] = 437
    Random [28, 14, 47, 67, 31, 35, 43, 40, 40, 7, 22, 2, 45] = 421
    Jerome [23, 10, 2, 24, 37, 29, 37, 56, 57, 48, 28, 60, 5] = 416
    Nan [36, 18, 33, 55, 24, 38, 61, 32, 26, 25, 31, 19, 2] = 400
    Nigel [32, 17, 51, 46, 10, 39, 46, 43, 19, 8, 24, 3, 48] = 386
    Leela [28, 4, 43, 30, 19, 48, 64, 30, 20, 22, 33, 19, 4] = 364
    Elton [56, 51, 15, 23, 12, 38, 18, 6, 25, 17, 17, 51, 9] = 338
    Alphazero [29, 1, 16, 49, 24, 20, 62, 29, 15, 20, 30, 19, 2] = 316



    Well done to Random and Nigel. Finally good news
    Good catch of 4 Jinks

    Cheers :-)

    I think you're just clear enough in the lead to hold on.

    MJ

    You are right. My early lead has helped me stay ahead.
    However there's still 7 draws and I cant get complacent.
    I remember the year I was leading at the end of week 19. Then got a big
    fat
    zero in week 20 and Nan beat me. ;-)

    MJ
    There are tricks to beat anyone. The year I got a 100 score, Random beat me
    in round 20 as well by using my round 19's numbers.
    Nan

    ~~~

    So Random was perhaps not as Random as we might have thought ;-)

    I've sometimes had the situation where last time's numbers scored higher.
    But I don't record that just observe it.

    MJ

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  • From nigel@21:1/5 to Marmaduke Jinks on Mon Feb 20 12:42:24 2023
    Marmaduke Jinks wrote:



    I remember the year I was leading at the end of week 19. Then got a big fat zero in week 20 and Nan beat me. ;-)

    MJ


    Would it have made any difference if you got a heroin-chic zero?

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?546L5Lm+5oe/IFdhbmcgUWlhb@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 20 07:55:51 2023
    在 2023年2月20日星期一 UTC+8 20:42:29,<nigel> 写道:
    Marmaduke Jinks wrote:



    I remember the year I was leading at the end of week 19. Then got a big fat
    zero in week 20 and Nan beat me. ;-)

    MJ

    Would it have made any difference if you got a heroin-chic zero?
    This probability is very small, since if your performance in the last few rounds is likely to be better than other predictors, your performance in the next round will not be very bad, and the probability of getting 0 is very small. The assumption below
    is the same as the one below. In the case of N groups of 24 numbers selected at random, the seed group that performed better in the previous round will also perform better in the next round. Therefore, many predictors tend to prefer the numbers they
    selected in the previous round. In the event that you are aware ahead of time that the random numbers are not very random, following the random numbers will be a much more logical decision. A minor adjustment could be made to the order in which the
    random numbers are generated, to achieve a better result.
    Nan

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  • From Marmaduke Jinks@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 21 08:54:30 2023
    "??? Wang Qianyi (Nan)" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    ? 2023?2?20???? UTC+8 20:42:29,<nigel> ??:
    Marmaduke Jinks wrote:



    I remember the year I was leading at the end of week 19. Then got a big
    fat
    zero in week 20 and Nan beat me. ;-)

    MJ

    Would it have made any difference if you got a heroin-chic zero?
    This probability is very small, since if your performance in the last few rounds is likely to be better than other predictors, your performance in the next round will not be very bad, and the probability of getting 0 is very small. The assumption below is the same as the one below. In the case of N groups of 24 numbers selected at random, the seed group that performed
    better in the previous round will also perform better in the next round. Therefore, many predictors tend to prefer the numbers they selected in the previous round. In the event that you are aware ahead of time that the
    random numbers are not very random, following the random numbers will be a
    much more logical decision. A minor adjustment could be made to the order in which the random numbers are generated, to achieve a better result.
    Nan

    ~~~

    That's exactly what I was thinking..as an answer to a "heroin-chic zero" .
    ;-)

    MJ

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