• BillB starts his own thread

    From BillB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 22:00:16 2023
    "Middle class incomes have remained flat for over 40 motherfucking years you idiot."

    Have they? https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

    "And, don't go quoting me the Fred charts....you gotta be careful of those because they craft those charts to give their preferred narrative. And, in this case, you are a complete moron. Try inputting the same values, but now when you calculate the "REAL"
    , make sure you use the 1980 CPI formula, and now the one that gets re-jiggered constantly these days to allow them to say whatever they want."

    We don't need graphs. Weren't you around in the early 80s?

    Best selling vehicle in 1982, the Ford Escort (78hp) https://tinyurl.com/3f7fva4a

    Best selling vehicle in 2022, Ford F-150 (400hp)


    High end middle class television in 1980: https://www.butlercars.com/inventoryphotos/13294/1ftfw1e87pfa17401/ip/1.jpg

    High end middle class television in 2023: https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/reviews/03E66ioDfvN6YfPBU0blzPC-1.fit_lim.size_840x473.v1690468926.jpg


    Executive class telephone in 1980: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZdAM8sy2AqQ/hqdefault.jpg

    Middle class phone in 2023: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/2MYLPMnLxZENemQJ7D43mc.jpg

    In 1980, the median size of a new home in the U.S. was 1,595 square feet. Nearly 40 years later, the median size of newly constructed homes was 2,386 square feet (2018).

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to BillB on Sat Sep 2 22:09:31 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:00:21 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    "Middle class incomes have remained flat for over 40 motherfucking years you idiot."

    Have they? https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

    "And, don't go quoting me the Fred charts....you gotta be careful of those because they craft those charts to give their preferred narrative. And, in this case, you are a complete moron. Try inputting the same values, but now when you calculate the "
    REAL", make sure you use the 1980 CPI formula, and now the one that gets re-jiggered constantly these days to allow them to say whatever they want."

    We don't need graphs. Weren't you around in the early 80s?

    Best selling vehicle in 1982, the Ford Escort (78hp) https://tinyurl.com/3f7fva4a

    Best selling vehicle in 2022, Ford F-150 (400hp)


    High end middle class television in 1980: https://www.butlercars.com/inventoryphotos/13294/1ftfw1e87pfa17401/ip/1.jpg

    High end middle class television in 2023: https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/reviews/03E66ioDfvN6YfPBU0blzPC-1.fit_lim.size_840x473.v1690468926.jpg


    Executive class telephone in 1980: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZdAM8sy2AqQ/hqdefault.jpg

    Middle class phone in 2023: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/2MYLPMnLxZENemQJ7D43mc.jpg

    In 1980, the median size of a new home in the U.S. was 1,595 square feet. Nearly 40 years later, the median size of newly constructed homes was 2,386 square feet (2018).

    Sorry, I fucked that up. Here's the 1980s TV https://magnavoxhistory.com/showcases/1980-touch-tune-color-tv/

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Sun Sep 3 02:39:58 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:00:21 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    "Middle class incomes have remained flat for over 40 motherfucking years you idiot."

    Have they? https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

    "And, don't go quoting me the Fred charts....you gotta be careful of those because they craft those charts to give their preferred narrative. And, in this case, you are a complete moron. Try inputting the same values, but now when you calculate the "
    REAL", make sure you use the 1980 CPI formula, and now the one that gets re-jiggered constantly these days to allow them to say whatever they want."

    We don't need graphs. Weren't you around in the early 80s?

    Best selling vehicle in 1982, the Ford Escort (78hp) https://tinyurl.com/3f7fva4a

    Best selling vehicle in 2022, Ford F-150 (400hp)


    High end middle class television in 1980: https://www.butlercars.com/inventoryphotos/13294/1ftfw1e87pfa17401/ip/1.jpg

    High end middle class television in 2023: https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/reviews/03E66ioDfvN6YfPBU0blzPC-1.fit_lim.size_840x473.v1690468926.jpg


    Executive class telephone in 1980: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZdAM8sy2AqQ/hqdefault.jpg

    Middle class phone in 2023: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/2MYLPMnLxZENemQJ7D43mc.jpg

    In 1980, the median size of a new home in the U.S. was 1,595 square feet. Nearly 40 years later, the median size of newly constructed homes was 2,386 square feet (2018).

    Oh bullshit, you aren't going to hedonics your way out of this one by cherry picking a few products and claiming that proves shit. And, home sizes doesn't show hedonics as the prices are jacked up, not less. And, here's where you are really fucked in
    your moronic claims. None of the real income claims factor in taxes...and taxes as a % of income has jacked up terribly from less than 15% to what...50% now? So, who cares if you can even show some nominal growth in real incomes if it doesn't factor
    in how taxes is taking it right back.
    You are a fraud.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sun Sep 3 02:58:43 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:40:03 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:00:21 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    "Middle class incomes have remained flat for over 40 motherfucking years you idiot."

    Have they? https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

    "And, don't go quoting me the Fred charts....you gotta be careful of those because they craft those charts to give their preferred narrative. And, in this case, you are a complete moron. Try inputting the same values, but now when you calculate the "
    REAL", make sure you use the 1980 CPI formula, and now the one that gets re-jiggered constantly these days to allow them to say whatever they want."

    We don't need graphs. Weren't you around in the early 80s?

    Best selling vehicle in 1982, the Ford Escort (78hp) https://tinyurl.com/3f7fva4a

    Best selling vehicle in 2022, Ford F-150 (400hp)


    High end middle class television in 1980: https://www.butlercars.com/inventoryphotos/13294/1ftfw1e87pfa17401/ip/1.jpg

    High end middle class television in 2023: https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/reviews/03E66ioDfvN6YfPBU0blzPC-1.fit_lim.size_840x473.v1690468926.jpg


    Executive class telephone in 1980: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZdAM8sy2AqQ/hqdefault.jpg

    Middle class phone in 2023: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/2MYLPMnLxZENemQJ7D43mc.jpg

    In 1980, the median size of a new home in the U.S. was 1,595 square feet. Nearly 40 years later, the median size of newly constructed homes was 2,386 square feet (2018).
    Oh bullshit, you aren't going to hedonics your way out of this one by cherry picking a few products and claiming that proves shit. And, home sizes doesn't show hedonics as the prices are jacked up, not less. And, here's where you are really fucked in
    your moronic claims. None of the real income claims factor in taxes...and taxes as a % of income has jacked up terribly from less than 15% to what...50% now? So, who cares if you can even show some nominal growth in real incomes if it doesn't factor in
    how taxes is taking it right back.
    You are a fraud.

    I am showing you how much the average working person's lifestyle has improved since the 1980s, and why the CPI had to be "manipulated" to take into account the quality and utility of products we compared. The average person is living a pampered life
    compared to 40 years ago, yet you still whine like a baby.

    Not sure where you are getting the idea that taxation as a percentage of household income has more than tripled. That is delusional.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Sun Sep 3 08:54:12 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:58:47 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    In 1980, the median size of a new home in the U.S. was 1,595 square feet. Nearly 40 years later, the median size of newly constructed homes was 2,386 square feet (2018).
    Oh bullshit, you aren't going to hedonics your way out of this one by cherry picking a few products and claiming that proves shit. And, home sizes doesn't show hedonics as the prices are jacked up, not less. And, here's where you are really fucked in
    your moronic claims. None of the real income claims factor in taxes...and taxes as a % of income has jacked up terribly from less than 15% to what...50% now? So, who cares if you can even show some nominal growth in real incomes if it doesn't factor in
    how taxes is taking it right back.
    You are a fraud.
    I am showing you how much the average working person's lifestyle has improved since the 1980s, and why the CPI had to be "manipulated" to take into account the quality and utility of products we compared. The average person is living a pampered life
    compared to 40 years ago, yet you still whine like a baby.

    So, now you are moving the goal posts. So expected from a libtard. We're discussing CPI, but then you lost the fuck out of that argument on every turn so you pull the old lifestyle has improved since the 80's. But, has it really? Sure, the internet
    is great, but is life really improved when everyone stares at their cell phone constantly...even when they are out with friends? TVs are bigger....but now everyone isn't even watching them anymore, so that's kind of a really lame argument...heck even
    the cable provider spectrum cut ESPN and DISNEY this weekend. They made some bigger homes....but now people are spending the majority of their income just on payments....I remember stories of how my grandparents always paid cash for homes.
    Vehicles? EVs are shit...and they are super expensive...plus you should see the fucking lines of cars on weekends in california waiting HOURS for a chance to charge their vehicle. Is that any type of improvement in lifestyle? Used to be everyone had a
    lot of pensions....not anymore. Used to be education was cheap....holy shit the CPI isn't accounting for that one very well because now we have $2T in student debt. Let's see...they use hedonics in healthcare too...and we spend like 1/7 of our economy
    on healthcare at least....but they never cure anything anymore....just permanently "treat" you for symptoms and now life expectancy is actually going DOWN. Oh, and let's talk about how there are fucking homeless everywhere now....There were never any
    homeless in the 80's. And, you libtards who wanted to legalize drugs....100k/yr drug deaths a year...you call that a lifestyle improvement? Ok, now let's talk jobs....how do you think it is for the soul that the people who have jobs are now competing
    with illegals for minimum wage type food service or walmart type jobs...yes, walmart our nations biggest employer....used to be we had a robust midwest with factories supporting every town...well, now those factories are in china and midwest towns
    everywhere are ghosttowns....everywhere. And, who cares if wages are even up a little if you factor in every bullshit lie you say....the tax increased easily wiped out your gains...EASILY. Now, let's examine quality of products.....my son still
    uses my grandparents alarm clock and loves it. Shit back then lasted forever. Everything they make now is breakable or wears out quickly, clothes are very thin material that doesn't last...quality isn't anywhere these days.....and you call that an
    improvement in our lives?

    But, remember the conversation was on CPI....and you fucking loss that BIG TIME trying to pretend you know jack shit about economics just because you can google the Fred site. Some of us actually know the correct intrepretations and the games they play.
    Those faux PHDs at the Fed are just federal lifer employees sitting around waiting for their pension. Any real economist doesn't work at the Fed. Do you even listen to Janet Yellen? She either doesn't know jack shit or thinks or job is just
    spitting lies at us non stop. And, all this great economy you think we have these days....I wonder how great it'd be if we didn't get $32T in debt supporting that lifestyle. In the 80's, I remember us having less than $1T in debt when Reagan got in
    charge. I mean anyone can PRETEND they live a pampered life if they can run up a $32T credit card bill. I bet America could have lived quite the baller life in 1983 if you gave us a credit card with a $32T limit back then. Oh, now let us get into
    this little thing about criminals being on the streets...crime rates so bad that people don't even report the crimes anymore because cops can't even make arrests. Is that a "pampered" life? How about all our stores being robbed daily and closed? I
    live in a very rich city and they are about to close our ONE mall? But, you think that's being pampered. How about all the cities that burned from you libtards....must feel real "pampered" to all the business owners that lost their life savings....they
    must be "pampered" too.
    Seriously, BillB, fuck off. So, ya I remember 1983 very well...great movies we had back then....it was great being patriotic and loving America....the music was great then and the same music still is now....and I spent every day banging girls from
    highschool.

    Not sure where you are getting the idea that taxation as a percentage of household income has more than tripled. That is delusional.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sun Sep 3 12:46:30 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:40:03 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:00:21 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    "Middle class incomes have remained flat for over 40 motherfucking years you idiot."

    Have they? https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

    "And, don't go quoting me the Fred charts....you gotta be careful of those because they craft those charts to give their preferred narrative. And, in this case, you are a complete moron. Try inputting the same values, but now when you calculate the "
    REAL", make sure you use the 1980 CPI formula, and now the one that gets re-jiggered constantly these days to allow them to say whatever they want."

    We don't need graphs. Weren't you around in the early 80s?

    Best selling vehicle in 1982, the Ford Escort (78hp) https://tinyurl.com/3f7fva4a

    Best selling vehicle in 2022, Ford F-150 (400hp)


    High end middle class television in 1980: https://www.butlercars.com/inventoryphotos/13294/1ftfw1e87pfa17401/ip/1.jpg

    High end middle class television in 2023: https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/reviews/03E66ioDfvN6YfPBU0blzPC-1.fit_lim.size_840x473.v1690468926.jpg


    Executive class telephone in 1980: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZdAM8sy2AqQ/hqdefault.jpg

    Middle class phone in 2023: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/2MYLPMnLxZENemQJ7D43mc.jpg

    In 1980, the median size of a new home in the U.S. was 1,595 square feet. Nearly 40 years later, the median size of newly constructed homes was 2,386 square feet (2018).
    .

    Oh bullshit, you aren't going to hedonics your way out of this one by cherry picking a few products
    and claiming that proves shit.
    .

    Whereas you NEVER *Show* because you're ALWAYS Running & Hiding from me.
    .


    Taxes as a % of income has jacked up terribly from less than 15% to what...50% now?
    .

    No! *** And you can't SHOW that they are. ***

    (See what I mean?)

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Sun Sep 3 12:47:42 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:58:47 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:40:03 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:00:21 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    "Middle class incomes have remained flat for over 40 motherfucking years you idiot."

    Have they? https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

    "And, don't go quoting me the Fred charts....you gotta be careful of those because they craft those charts to give their preferred narrative. And, in this case, you are a complete moron. Try inputting the same values, but now when you calculate the
    "REAL", make sure you use the 1980 CPI formula, and now the one that gets re-jiggered constantly these days to allow them to say whatever they want."

    We don't need graphs. Weren't you around in the early 80s?

    Best selling vehicle in 1982, the Ford Escort (78hp) https://tinyurl.com/3f7fva4a

    Best selling vehicle in 2022, Ford F-150 (400hp)


    High end middle class television in 1980: https://www.butlercars.com/inventoryphotos/13294/1ftfw1e87pfa17401/ip/1.jpg

    High end middle class television in 2023: https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/reviews/03E66ioDfvN6YfPBU0blzPC-1.fit_lim.size_840x473.v1690468926.jpg


    Executive class telephone in 1980: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZdAM8sy2AqQ/hqdefault.jpg

    Middle class phone in 2023: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/2MYLPMnLxZENemQJ7D43mc.jpg

    In 1980, the median size of a new home in the U.S. was 1,595 square feet. Nearly 40 years later, the median size of newly constructed homes was 2,386 square feet (2018).
    Oh bullshit, you aren't going to hedonics your way out of this one by cherry picking a few products and claiming that proves shit. And, home sizes doesn't show hedonics as the prices are jacked up, not less. And, here's where you are really fucked in
    your moronic claims. None of the real income claims factor in taxes...and taxes as a % of income has jacked up terribly from less than 15% to what...50% now? So, who cares if you can even show some nominal growth in real incomes if it doesn't factor in
    how taxes is taking it right back.
    You are a fraud.
    I am showing you how much the average working person's lifestyle has improved since the 1980s, and why the CPI had to be "manipulated" to take into account the quality and utility of products we compared. The average person is living a pampered life
    compared to 40 years ago, yet you still whine like a baby.

    Not sure where you are getting the idea that taxation as a percentage of household income has more than tripled. That is delusional.
    .

    Ask him to show like I did. He'll Run & Hide from you two...

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sun Sep 3 12:49:58 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 8:54:19 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:58:47 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    In 1980, the median size of a new home in the U.S. was 1,595 square feet. Nearly 40 years later, the median size of newly constructed homes was 2,386 square feet (2018).
    Oh bullshit, you aren't going to hedonics your way out of this one by cherry picking a few products and claiming that proves shit. And, home sizes doesn't show hedonics as the prices are jacked up, not less. And, here's where you are really fucked
    in your moronic claims. None of the real income claims factor in taxes...and taxes as a % of income has jacked up terribly from less than 15% to what...50% now? So, who cares if you can even show some nominal growth in real incomes if it doesn't factor
    in how taxes is taking it right back.
    You are a fraud.
    I am showing you how much the average working person's lifestyle has improved since the 1980s, and why the CPI had to be "manipulated" to take into account the quality and utility of products we compared. The average person is living a pampered life
    compared to 40 years ago, yet you still whine like a baby.
    So, now you are moving the goal posts. So expected from a libtard. We're discussing CPI, but then you lost the fuck out of that argument on every turn so you pull the old lifestyle has improved since the 80's. But, has it really? Sure, the internet is
    great, but is life really improved when everyone stares at their cell phone constantly...even when they are out with friends? TVs are bigger....but now everyone isn't even watching them anymore, so that's kind of a really lame argument...heck even the
    cable provider spectrum cut ESPN and DISNEY this weekend. They made some bigger homes....but now people are spending the majority of their income just on payments....I remember stories of how my grandparents always paid cash for homes. Vehicles? EVs are
    shit...and they are super expensive...plus you should see the fucking lines of cars on weekends in california waiting HOURS for a chance to charge their vehicle. Is that any type of improvement in lifestyle? Used to be everyone had a lot of pensions....
    not anymore. Used to be education was cheap....holy shit the CPI isn't accounting for that one very well because now we have $2T in student debt. Let's see...they use hedonics in healthcare too...and we spend like 1/7 of our economy on healthcare at
    least....but they never cure anything anymore....just permanently "treat" you for symptoms and now life expectancy is actually going DOWN. Oh, and let's talk about how there are fucking homeless everywhere now....There were never any homeless in the 80's.
    And, you libtards who wanted to legalize drugs....100k/yr drug deaths a year...you call that a lifestyle improvement? Ok, now let's talk jobs....how do you think it is for the soul that the people who have jobs are now competing with illegals for
    minimum wage type food service or walmart type jobs...yes, walmart our nations biggest employer....used to be we had a robust midwest with factories supporting every town...well, now those factories are in china and midwest towns everywhere are
    ghosttowns....everywhere. And, who cares if wages are even up a little if you factor in every bullshit lie you say....the tax increased easily wiped out your gains...EASILY. Now, let's examine quality of products.....my son still uses my grandparents
    alarm clock and loves it. Shit back then lasted forever. Everything they make now is breakable or wears out quickly, clothes are very thin material that doesn't last...quality isn't anywhere these days.....and you call that an improvement in our lives?

    But, remember the conversation was on CPI....and you fucking loss that BIG TIME trying to pretend you know jack shit about economics just because you can google the Fred site. Some of us actually know the correct intrepretations and the games they play.
    Those faux PHDs at the Fed are just federal lifer employees sitting around waiting for their pension. Any real economist doesn't work at the Fed. Do you even listen to Janet Yellen? She either doesn't know jack shit or thinks or job is just spitting
    lies at us non stop. And, all this great economy you think we have these days....I wonder how great it'd be if we didn't get $32T in debt supporting that lifestyle. In the 80's, I remember us having less than $1T in debt when Reagan got in charge. I mean
    anyone can PRETEND they live a pampered life if they can run up a $32T credit card bill. I bet America could have lived quite the baller life in 1983 if you gave us a credit card with a $32T limit back then. Oh, now let us get into this little thing
    about criminals being on the streets...crime rates so bad that people don't even report the crimes anymore because cops can't even make arrests. Is that a "pampered" life? How about all our stores being robbed daily and closed? I live in a very rich city
    and they are about to close our ONE mall? But, you think that's being pampered. How about all the cities that burned from you libtards....must feel real "pampered" to all the business owners that lost their life savings....they must be "pampered" too.
    Seriously, BillB, fuck off. So, ya I remember 1983 very well...great movies we had back then....it was great being patriotic and loving America....the music was great then and the same music still is now....and I spent every day banging girls from
    highschool.

    Not sure where you are getting the idea that taxation as a percentage of household income has more than tripled. That is delusional.
    .

    See what I mean about his bloviating?
    Can't *show* only blow...

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon Sep 4 12:43:14 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 11:54:19 AM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    <snip>
    There were never any homeless in the 80's.

    Really? I remember the protests and the useless statements by the Reagan administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Snyder
    <snip>
    In the 80's, I remember us having less than $1T in debt when Reagan got in charge. I mean anyone can PRETEND they live a pampered life if they can run up a $32T credit card bill.
    <snip>
    And the Reagan administration quadrupled that debt. Thanks to the tax cuts, that money just flowed to the 0.01%

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Mon Sep 4 14:38:50 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 12:43:19 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 11:54:19 AM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    <snip>
    There were never any homeless in the 80's.
    Really? I remember the protests and the useless statements by the Reagan administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Snyder
    <snip>
    In the 80's, I remember us having less than $1T in debt when Reagan got in charge. I mean anyone can PRETEND they live a pampered life if they can run up a $32T credit card bill.
    <snip>
    And the Reagan administration quadrupled that debt. Thanks to the tax cuts, that money just flowed to the 0.01%

    There was always skid row...a small section of LA that had some homeless. And, I recall Reagan trying to balance the budgets he opened the doors to the asylums and let them free themselves, so ya maybe you could go to Santa Monica pier and see a few
    really crazy people with incontrollable hand gestures and things. And, even where I grew up we had a single homeless person who the deputies would drive into the valley and he'd keep coming back like a bad penny. But, that is literally NOTHING
    compared to what's going on in LA, OC, and SF right now. You can go on a riverwalk a mile or two from Disney and see MILES of homeless tents. There are 1000 huge encampments of homeless all over LA now that are mapped out. My city even now has 300
    homeless...all addicts...many of them live in the riverbed and set fires constantly that need firemen to respond to....they attack people on the bike paths....their bodies are found regularly. So don't you even dare compare anything that went on during
    Reagan with what you have now....it's thousands of times worse....and it's because of the drugs mostly with everyone ruining their lives on $4 hits of fentanyl and weed that's super potent these days. Crime is beyond rampant because it's literally
    impossible to get charged on the West cost. Tim, whatever the fuck you think you know or seen about homeless, you literally know nothing....go to LA, SF, OC, Portland, Seattle and see for yourself. It's mindboggling...it's beyond mindboggling and no
    state in the East can hold a candle to the bizarro world on the West coast these days. I mean don't even pretend you know anything about homeless or even attempt to make comparisons to Reagan.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon Sep 4 16:54:25 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 8:54:19 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:58:47 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    In 1980, the median size of a new home in the U.S. was 1,595 square feet. Nearly 40 years later, the median size of newly constructed homes was 2,386 square feet (2018).
    Oh bullshit, you aren't going to hedonics your way out of this one by cherry picking a few products and claiming that proves shit. And, home sizes doesn't show hedonics as the prices are jacked up, not less. And, here's where you are really fucked
    in your moronic claims. None of the real income claims factor in taxes...and taxes as a % of income has jacked up terribly from less than 15% to what...50% now? So, who cares if you can even show some nominal growth in real incomes if it doesn't factor
    in how taxes is taking it right back.
    You are a fraud.
    I am showing you how much the average working person's lifestyle has improved since the 1980s, and why the CPI had to be "manipulated" to take into account the quality and utility of products we compared. The average person is living a pampered life
    compared to 40 years ago, yet you still whine like a baby.
    So, now you are moving the goal posts. So expected from a libtard. We're discussing CPI, but then you lost the fuck out of that argument on every turn so you pull the old lifestyle has improved since the 80's. But, has it really? Sure, the internet is
    great, but is life really improved when everyone stares at their cell phone constantly...even when they are out with friends? TVs are bigger....but now everyone isn't even watching them anymore, so that's kind of a really lame argument...heck even the
    cable provider spectrum cut ESPN and DISNEY this weekend. They made some bigger homes....but now people are spending the majority of their income just on payments....I remember stories of how my grandparents always paid cash for homes. Vehicles? EVs are
    shit...and they are super expensive...plus you should see the fucking lines of cars on weekends in california waiting HOURS for a chance to charge their vehicle. Is that any type of improvement in lifestyle? Used to be everyone had a lot of pensions....
    not anymore. Used to be education was cheap....holy shit the CPI isn't accounting for that one very well because now we have $2T in student debt. Let's see...they use hedonics in healthcare too...and we spend like 1/7 of our economy on healthcare at
    least....but they never cure anything anymore....just permanently "treat" you for symptoms and now life expectancy is actually going DOWN. Oh, and let's talk about how there are fucking homeless everywhere now....There were never any homeless in the 80's.
    And, you libtards who wanted to legalize drugs....100k/yr drug deaths a year...you call that a lifestyle improvement? Ok, now let's talk jobs....how do you think it is for the soul that the people who have jobs are now competing with illegals for
    minimum wage type food service or walmart type jobs...yes, walmart our nations biggest employer....used to be we had a robust midwest with factories supporting every town...well, now those factories are in china and midwest towns everywhere are
    ghosttowns....everywhere. And, who cares if wages are even up a little if you factor in every bullshit lie you say....the tax increased easily wiped out your gains...EASILY. Now, let's examine quality of products.....my son still uses my grandparents
    alarm clock and loves it. Shit back then lasted forever. Everything they make now is breakable or wears out quickly, clothes are very thin material that doesn't last...quality isn't anywhere these days.....and you call that an improvement in our lives?

    But, remember the conversation was on CPI....and you fucking loss that BIG TIME trying to pretend you know jack shit about economics just because you can google the Fred site. Some of us actually know the correct intrepretations and the games they play.
    Those faux PHDs at the Fed are just federal lifer employees sitting around waiting for their pension. Any real economist doesn't work at the Fed. Do you even listen to Janet Yellen? She either doesn't know jack shit or thinks or job is just spitting
    lies at us non stop. And, all this great economy you think we have these days....I wonder how great it'd be if we didn't get $32T in debt supporting that lifestyle. In the 80's, I remember us having less than $1T in debt when Reagan got in charge. I mean
    anyone can PRETEND they live a pampered life if they can run up a $32T credit card bill. I bet America could have lived quite the baller life in 1983 if you gave us a credit card with a $32T limit back then. Oh, now let us get into this little thing
    about criminals being on the streets...crime rates so bad that people don't even report the crimes anymore because cops can't even make arrests. Is that a "pampered" life? How about all our stores being robbed daily and closed? I live in a very rich city
    and they are about to close our ONE mall? But, you think that's being pampered. How about all the cities that burned from you libtards....must feel real "pampered" to all the business owners that lost their life savings....they must be "pampered" too.
    Seriously, BillB, fuck off. So, ya I remember 1983 very well...great movies we had back then....it was great being patriotic and loving America....the music was great then and the same music still is now....and I spent every day banging girls from
    highschool.

    Not sure where you are getting the idea that taxation as a percentage of household income has more than tripled. That is delusional.

    I didn't move any goalposts and you didn't win any argument on CPI. You claimed that middle class incomes have been flat for 40 years and I proved you wrong. Out of desperate humiliation, you then tried to say the statistic was fake based on a fake CPI (
    this is what right-wingers always do when confronted with facts), and I tried to show you that you can just look around you and plainly see the average middle class American is living far better than they were in the in 1983, and in the process showing
    you one of the main reasons why the CPI calculation has been tweaked to become more accurate over the decades (taking into account product quality and utility rather than comparing apples to oranges). You have economics knowledge of a houseplant.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Mon Sep 4 18:06:59 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 4:54:30 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:

    Not sure where you are getting the idea that taxation as a percentage of household income has more than tripled. That is delusional.
    I didn't move any goalposts and you didn't win any argument on CPI. You claimed that middle class incomes have been flat for 40 years and I proved you wrong. Out of desperate humiliation, you then tried to say the statistic was fake based on a fake CPI
    (this is what right-wingers always do when confronted with facts), and I tried to show you that you can just look around you and plainly see the average middle class American is living far better than they were in the in 1983, and in the process showing
    you one of the main reasons why the CPI calculation has been tweaked to become more accurate over the decades (taking into account product quality and utility rather than comparing apples to oranges). You have economics knowledge of a houseplant.

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots of
    things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Mon Sep 4 18:04:56 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 4:54:30 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 8:54:19 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:58:47 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    In 1980, the median size of a new home in the U.S. was 1,595 square feet. Nearly 40 years later, the median size of newly constructed homes was 2,386 square feet (2018).
    Oh bullshit, you aren't going to hedonics your way out of this one by cherry picking a few products and claiming that proves shit. And, home sizes doesn't show hedonics as the prices are jacked up, not less. And, here's where you are really
    fucked in your moronic claims. None of the real income claims factor in taxes...and taxes as a % of income has jacked up terribly from less than 15% to what...50% now? So, who cares if you can even show some nominal growth in real incomes if it doesn't
    factor in how taxes is taking it right back.
    You are a fraud.
    I am showing you how much the average working person's lifestyle has improved since the 1980s, and why the CPI had to be "manipulated" to take into account the quality and utility of products we compared. The average person is living a pampered
    life compared to 40 years ago, yet you still whine like a baby.
    So, now you are moving the goal posts. So expected from a libtard. We're discussing CPI, but then you lost the fuck out of that argument on every turn so you pull the old lifestyle has improved since the 80's. But, has it really? Sure, the internet
    is great, but is life really improved when everyone stares at their cell phone constantly...even when they are out with friends? TVs are bigger....but now everyone isn't even watching them anymore, so that's kind of a really lame argument...heck even the
    cable provider spectrum cut ESPN and DISNEY this weekend. They made some bigger homes....but now people are spending the majority of their income just on payments....I remember stories of how my grandparents always paid cash for homes. Vehicles? EVs are
    shit...and they are super expensive...plus you should see the fucking lines of cars on weekends in california waiting HOURS for a chance to charge their vehicle. Is that any type of improvement in lifestyle? Used to be everyone had a lot of pensions....
    not anymore. Used to be education was cheap....holy shit the CPI isn't accounting for that one very well because now we have $2T in student debt. Let's see...they use hedonics in healthcare too...and we spend like 1/7 of our economy on healthcare at
    least....but they never cure anything anymore....just permanently "treat" you for symptoms and now life expectancy is actually going DOWN. Oh, and let's talk about how there are fucking homeless everywhere now....There were never any homeless in the 80's.
    And, you libtards who wanted to legalize drugs....100k/yr drug deaths a year...you call that a lifestyle improvement? Ok, now let's talk jobs....how do you think it is for the soul that the people who have jobs are now competing with illegals for
    minimum wage type food service or walmart type jobs...yes, walmart our nations biggest employer....used to be we had a robust midwest with factories supporting every town...well, now those factories are in china and midwest towns everywhere are
    ghosttowns....everywhere. And, who cares if wages are even up a little if you factor in every bullshit lie you say....the tax increased easily wiped out your gains...EASILY. Now, let's examine quality of products.....my son still uses my grandparents
    alarm clock and loves it. Shit back then lasted forever. Everything they make now is breakable or wears out quickly, clothes are very thin material that doesn't last...quality isn't anywhere these days.....and you call that an improvement in our lives?

    But, remember the conversation was on CPI....and you fucking loss that BIG TIME trying to pretend you know jack shit about economics just because you can google the Fred site. Some of us actually know the correct intrepretations and the games they
    play. Those faux PHDs at the Fed are just federal lifer employees sitting around waiting for their pension. Any real economist doesn't work at the Fed. Do you even listen to Janet Yellen? She either doesn't know jack shit or thinks or job is just
    spitting lies at us non stop. And, all this great economy you think we have these days....I wonder how great it'd be if we didn't get $32T in debt supporting that lifestyle. In the 80's, I remember us having less than $1T in debt when Reagan got in
    charge. I mean anyone can PRETEND they live a pampered life if they can run up a $32T credit card bill. I bet America could have lived quite the baller life in 1983 if you gave us a credit card with a $32T limit back then. Oh, now let us get into this
    little thing about criminals being on the streets...crime rates so bad that people don't even report the crimes anymore because cops can't even make arrests. Is that a "pampered" life? How about all our stores being robbed daily and closed? I live in a
    very rich city and they are about to close our ONE mall? But, you think that's being pampered. How about all the cities that burned from you libtards....must feel real "pampered" to all the business owners that lost their life savings....they must be "
    pampered" too.
    Seriously, BillB, fuck off. So, ya I remember 1983 very well...great movies we had back then....it was great being patriotic and loving America....the music was great then and the same music still is now....and I spent every day banging girls from
    highschool.

    Not sure where you are getting the idea that taxation as a percentage of household income has more than tripled. That is delusional.
    I didn't move any goalposts and you didn't win any argument on CPI. You claimed that middle class incomes have been flat for 40 years and I proved you wrong. Out of desperate humiliation, you then tried to say the statistic was fake based on a fake CPI
    (this is what right-wingers always do when confronted with facts), and I tried to show you that you can just look around you and plainly see the average middle class American is living far better than they were in the in 1983, and in the process showing
    you one of the main reasons why the CPI calculation has been tweaked to become more accurate over the decades (taking into account product quality and utility rather than comparing apples to oranges). You have economics knowledge of a houseplant.

    You move the goal post every time you are exposed as a tard. And, I haven't even brought up 1/5 of the stuff that is ginned up and changed in the CPI that fraudelently allows earnings to pretend to be higher when they are actually lower. And, BTW,
    everyone knows they are lower....and even if they don't know it, they can feel it.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon Sep 4 18:24:47 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots of
    things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.

    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Mon Sep 4 18:28:42 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots of
    things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.

    I notice you didn't say a motherfucking thing about the taxes I pointed out. 100% TAXES IS SLAVERY and they keep taking a bigger and bigger amount from us....but you wanna sit here jerking yourself off ignoring how it's not included in the CPI. Fuck
    you permanently.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Mon Sep 4 18:30:47 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots of
    things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.

    Oh, and DUMBASS, the "shelter" component is "owner equivalent rent" and it's twisted and distorted to death....like I say...to get the narrative they desire.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon Sep 4 18:47:05 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:30:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots of
    things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market rents."


    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    Oh, and DUMBASS, the "shelter" component is "owner equivalent rent" and it's twisted and distorted to death....like I say...to get the narrative they desire.

    LOLOL It is rent and OER. Stop embarrassing yourself. You just finished saying it isn't included. You don't know what you are talking about and every fact that proves you wrong you deem "fake." You are a joke.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon Sep 4 19:17:20 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:28:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots of
    things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market rents."


    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    I notice you didn't say a motherfucking thing about the taxes I pointed out. 100% TAXES IS SLAVERY and they keep taking a bigger and bigger amount from us....but you wanna sit here jerking yourself off ignoring how it's not included in the CPI. Fuck
    you permanently.

    Taxes are not consumer prices. You don't even make any sense. The CPI measures consumer prices. Total taxation as a % of GDP has remained within a relatively narrow band since the end of WWII. Real disposable (i.e. after tax) is higher than it was before
    the pandemic hit.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Mon Sep 4 19:20:58 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 12:43:19 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:

    And the Reagan administration quadrupled that debt. Thanks to the tax cuts, that money just flowed to the 0.01%


    True statement. At least half of it, anyway.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Mon Sep 4 20:02:32 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:28:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots
    of things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market
    rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    I notice you didn't say a motherfucking thing about the taxes I pointed out. 100% TAXES IS SLAVERY and they keep taking a bigger and bigger amount from us....but you wanna sit here jerking yourself off ignoring how it's not included in the CPI. Fuck
    you permanently.
    Taxes are not consumer prices. You don't even make any sense. The CPI measures consumer prices. Total taxation as a % of GDP has remained within a relatively narrow band since the end of WWII. Real disposable (i.e. after tax) is higher than it was
    before the pandemic hit.

    What fucking planet are you on...canadian acting like taxes aren't prices. They sure as fuck are. Those taxes are part of the price of everything and they add the fuck up...and they regularly increase, so that increase..which eats thru all your wage
    gains and then some, is called inflation you MORON.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon Sep 4 20:47:21 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:02:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:28:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots
    of things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market
    rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    I notice you didn't say a motherfucking thing about the taxes I pointed out. 100% TAXES IS SLAVERY and they keep taking a bigger and bigger amount from us....but you wanna sit here jerking yourself off ignoring how it's not included in the CPI.
    Fuck you permanently.
    Taxes are not consumer prices. You don't even make any sense. The CPI measures consumer prices. Total taxation as a % of GDP has remained within a relatively narrow band since the end of WWII. Real disposable (i.e. after tax) is higher than it was
    before the pandemic hit.
    What fucking planet are you on...canadian acting like taxes aren't prices. They sure as fuck are. Those taxes are part of the price of everything and they add the fuck up...and they regularly increase, so that increase..which eats thru all your wage
    gains and then some, is called inflation you MORON.

    No, taxes are not consumer prices. I referred you to the two best measures of the degree to which the economy as a whole and personal incomes are taxed, which you promptly ignored because they contradicted your false narrative. I am starting to believe
    you are simply incapable of learning.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon Sep 4 20:32:36 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:02:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    What fucking planet are you on...canadian acting like taxes aren't prices. They sure as fuck are. Those taxes are part of the price of everything and they add the fuck up...and they regularly increase, so that increase..which eats thru all your wage
    gains and then some, is called inflation you MORON.


    We need a new "Moron Tax".

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon Sep 4 21:37:09 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:47:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:02:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:28:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents?
    Lots of things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag
    market rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    I notice you didn't say a motherfucking thing about the taxes I pointed out. 100% TAXES IS SLAVERY and they keep taking a bigger and bigger amount from us....but you wanna sit here jerking yourself off ignoring how it's not included in the CPI.
    Fuck you permanently.
    Taxes are not consumer prices. You don't even make any sense. The CPI measures consumer prices. Total taxation as a % of GDP has remained within a relatively narrow band since the end of WWII. Real disposable (i.e. after tax) is higher than it
    was before the pandemic hit.
    What fucking planet are you on...canadian acting like taxes aren't prices. They sure as fuck are. Those taxes are part of the price of everything and they add the fuck up...and they regularly increase, so that increase..which eats thru all your
    wage gains and then some, is called inflation you MORON.
    No, taxes are not consumer prices. I referred you to the two best measures of the degree to which the economy as a whole and personal incomes are taxed, which you promptly ignored because they contradicted your false narrative. I am starting to
    believe you are simply incapable of learning.
    You are a god damned moron saying they aren't part of prices. You are regurgitating that nonsense because you libtard lunatics want to fool people about how god damn much money you want to confiscate from people via taxes....sorta like a stealth
    slavery the way you try to pretend they aren't part of the equation. Fuck you. Fuck every part of you. Taxes are the worst part of inflation as they always increase even when we're in times of theoretically no inflation. Fuck you fuck >socialism and fuck
    anything any canadian says.

    Do you understand that income minus taxes is called disposable income? What do you see in this graph:
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DSPIC96

    What has happened to real (i.e. adjusted for inflation) disposable per capita income since 1980? Has it gone down or up, and by what percentage? If you aren't better off than the average person was in the 1980s I don't know what to tell you except that
    you failed at life.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Mon Sep 4 21:18:37 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:47:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:02:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:28:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents?
    Lots of things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market
    rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    I notice you didn't say a motherfucking thing about the taxes I pointed out. 100% TAXES IS SLAVERY and they keep taking a bigger and bigger amount from us....but you wanna sit here jerking yourself off ignoring how it's not included in the CPI.
    Fuck you permanently.
    Taxes are not consumer prices. You don't even make any sense. The CPI measures consumer prices. Total taxation as a % of GDP has remained within a relatively narrow band since the end of WWII. Real disposable (i.e. after tax) is higher than it was
    before the pandemic hit.
    What fucking planet are you on...canadian acting like taxes aren't prices. They sure as fuck are. Those taxes are part of the price of everything and they add the fuck up...and they regularly increase, so that increase..which eats thru all your wage
    gains and then some, is called inflation you MORON.
    No, taxes are not consumer prices. I referred you to the two best measures of the degree to which the economy as a whole and personal incomes are taxed, which you promptly ignored because they contradicted your false narrative. I am starting to believe
    you are simply incapable of learning.

    You are a god damned moron saying they aren't part of prices. You are regurgitating that nonsense because you libtard lunatics want to fool people about how god damn much money you want to confiscate from people via taxes....sorta like a stealth slavery
    the way you try to pretend they aren't part of the equation. Fuck you. Fuck every part of you. Taxes are the worst part of inflation as they always increase even when we're in times of theoretically no inflation. Fuck you fuck socialism and fuck
    anything any canadian says.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Mon Sep 4 21:43:51 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:37:14 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:47:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:02:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:28:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents?
    Lots of things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag
    market rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    I notice you didn't say a motherfucking thing about the taxes I pointed out. 100% TAXES IS SLAVERY and they keep taking a bigger and bigger amount from us....but you wanna sit here jerking yourself off ignoring how it's not included in the
    CPI. Fuck you permanently.
    Taxes are not consumer prices. You don't even make any sense. The CPI measures consumer prices. Total taxation as a % of GDP has remained within a relatively narrow band since the end of WWII. Real disposable (i.e. after tax) is higher than it
    was before the pandemic hit.
    What fucking planet are you on...canadian acting like taxes aren't prices. They sure as fuck are. Those taxes are part of the price of everything and they add the fuck up...and they regularly increase, so that increase..which eats thru all your
    wage gains and then some, is called inflation you MORON.
    No, taxes are not consumer prices. I referred you to the two best measures of the degree to which the economy as a whole and personal incomes are taxed, which you promptly ignored because they contradicted your false narrative. I am starting to
    believe you are simply incapable of learning.
    You are a god damned moron saying they aren't part of prices. You are regurgitating that nonsense because you libtard lunatics want to fool people about how god damn much money you want to confiscate from people via taxes....sorta like a stealth
    slavery the way you try to pretend they aren't part of the equation. Fuck you. Fuck every part of you. Taxes are the worst part of inflation as they always increase even when we're in times of theoretically no inflation. Fuck you fuck >socialism and fuck
    anything any canadian says.
    Do you understand that income minus taxes is called disposable income? What do you see in this graph:
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DSPIC96

    What has happened to real (i.e. adjusted for inflation) disposable per capita income since 1980? Has it gone down or up, and by what percentage? If you aren't better off than the average person was in the 1980s I don't know what to tell you except that
    you failed at life.

    Failed at life? You're the dumbfuck who has to vacation to CA. You don't see me going to fucking Canada for vacations. MORON. Any other part of life you want to compare, you let me know.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon Sep 4 22:00:52 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:43:56 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:37:14 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:47:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:02:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:17:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:28:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about
    Rents? Lots of things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag
    market rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    I notice you didn't say a motherfucking thing about the taxes I pointed out. 100% TAXES IS SLAVERY and they keep taking a bigger and bigger amount from us....but you wanna sit here jerking yourself off ignoring how it's not included in the
    CPI. Fuck you permanently.
    Taxes are not consumer prices. You don't even make any sense. The CPI measures consumer prices. Total taxation as a % of GDP has remained within a relatively narrow band since the end of WWII. Real disposable (i.e. after tax) is higher than
    it was before the pandemic hit.
    What fucking planet are you on...canadian acting like taxes aren't prices. They sure as fuck are. Those taxes are part of the price of everything and they add the fuck up...and they regularly increase, so that increase..which eats thru all your
    wage gains and then some, is called inflation you MORON.
    No, taxes are not consumer prices. I referred you to the two best measures of the degree to which the economy as a whole and personal incomes are taxed, which you promptly ignored because they contradicted your false narrative. I am starting to
    believe you are simply incapable of learning.
    You are a god damned moron saying they aren't part of prices. You are regurgitating that nonsense because you libtard lunatics want to fool people about how god damn much money you want to confiscate from people via taxes....sorta like a stealth
    slavery the way you try to pretend they aren't part of the equation. Fuck you. Fuck every part of you. Taxes are the worst part of inflation as they always increase even when we're in times of theoretically no inflation. Fuck you fuck >socialism and fuck
    anything any canadian says.
    Do you understand that income minus taxes is called disposable income? What do you see in this graph:
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DSPIC96

    What has happened to real (i.e. adjusted for inflation) disposable per capita income since 1980? Has it gone down or up, and by what percentage? If you aren't better off than the average person was in the 1980s I don't know what to tell you except
    that you failed at life.
    Failed at life? You're the dumbfuck who has to vacation to CA. You don't see me going to fucking Canada for vacations. MORON. Any other part of life you want to compare, you let me know.

    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only applied if
    that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 5 01:34:57 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:00:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only applied if
    that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?

    I'm not a good example because I'm more fortunate than most, but gotta say I enjoyed some of the 80's a hell of a lot more than I enjoy anything now. But, regarding vacation....you love it here, but apparently you can only vacation here.....pretty
    pathetic a guy gets to your age and is so unhappy and unsettled in his life that he has to travel to another country and drive around all the time. Pathetic.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 5 02:31:24 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:35:01 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:00:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only applied if
    that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?
    I'm not a good example because I'm more fortunate than most, but gotta say I enjoyed some of the 80's a hell of a lot more than I enjoy anything now. But, regarding vacation....you love it here, but apparently you can only vacation here.....pretty
    pathetic a guy gets to your age and is so unhappy and unsettled in his life that he has to travel to another country and drive around all the time. Pathetic.

    You aren't making any sense.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 5 07:36:52 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:28:46 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots of
    things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market rents."


    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    .

    100% TAXES IS SLAVERY and they keep taking a bigger and bigger amount from us....
    Fuck you permanently.

    See what I mean?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 5 07:35:11 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots of
    things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    .

    It's odd somebody is. This fool has proven too stupid to know he's stupid. He's incapable of a lucid
    response because he simply makes up anything. He's like trump. Just lie and run...

    (But he is fun to laugh at)...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 5 07:42:29 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:31:29 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:35:01 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:00:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only applied
    if that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?
    I'm not a good example because I'm more fortunate than most, but gotta say I enjoyed some of the 80's a hell of a lot more than I enjoy anything now. But, regarding vacation....you love it here, but apparently you can only vacation here.....pretty
    pathetic a guy gets to your age and is so unhappy and unsettled in his life that he has to travel to another country and drive around all the time. Pathetic.
    .
    You aren't making any sense.
    .

    Where has he ever? It's down to where you vacation? Did I error when I vacationed in Canada?

    (But do keep poking him with the Idiot Stick. It's fun reading...)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 5 07:38:03 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:47:11 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:30:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:24:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:07:04 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    BTW, you dishonest lying troll of a moron, their CPI adjustments in no way, shape, or form are meant to be more accurate, else they'd have included things like the changes in taxes we're paying you fucking ignoramous. And, how about Rents? Lots
    of things they leave off as they gin up new ways to give themselves results that more closely match their desired narrative, NOT reality.
    "Shelter (housing) costs constitute a large component of price indexes, including 42 percent of the widely followed core Consumer Price Index (CPI). The shelter prices measured in the CPI capture new and existing renters and tend to lag market
    rents."

    Like I said, you don't have the first clue what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you.
    Oh, and DUMBASS, the "shelter" component is "owner equivalent rent" and it's twisted and distorted to death....like I say...to get the narrative they desire.
    .

    LOLOL It is rent and OER. Stop embarrassing yourself. You just finished saying it isn't included. You don't know what you are talking about and every fact that proves you wrong you deem "fake." You are a joke.
    .

    And a joke that keeps on giving.....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Tue Sep 5 10:37:11 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 7:42:35 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:31:29 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:35:01 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:00:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only applied
    if that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?
    I'm not a good example because I'm more fortunate than most, but gotta say I enjoyed some of the 80's a hell of a lot more than I enjoy anything now. But, regarding vacation....you love it here, but apparently you can only vacation here.....pretty
    pathetic a guy gets to your age and is so unhappy and unsettled in his life that he has to travel to another country and drive around all the time. Pathetic.
    .
    You aren't making any sense.
    .

    Where has he ever? It's down to where you vacation? Did I error when I vacationed in Canada?

    (But do keep poking him with the Idiot Stick. It's fun reading...)

    He seems to be saying anyone who vacations in the US is pathetic? I don't know...it's all pretty much gibberish. He's just angry that I kicked his ass like I did, but I did it for his own good.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 5 11:21:10 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:37:15 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 7:42:35 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:31:29 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:35:01 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:00:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only
    applied if that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?
    I'm not a good example because I'm more fortunate than most, but gotta say I enjoyed some of the 80's a hell of a lot more than I enjoy anything now. But, regarding vacation....you love it here, but apparently you can only vacation here.....
    pretty pathetic a guy gets to your age and is so unhappy and unsettled in his life that he has to travel to another country and drive around all the time. Pathetic.
    .
    You aren't making any sense.
    .

    Where has he ever? It's down to where you vacation? Did I error when I vacationed in Canada?

    (But do keep poking him with the Idiot Stick. It's fun reading...)
    He seems to be saying anyone who vacations in the US is pathetic? I don't know...it's all pretty much gibberish. He's just angry that I kicked his ass like I did, but I did it for his own good.

    Vacationing here isn't pathetic. What's pathetic is if you love it here so much, then why not live here? MORON.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 5 11:40:28 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:21:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:37:15 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 7:42:35 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:31:29 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:35:01 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:00:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only
    applied if that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?
    I'm not a good example because I'm more fortunate than most, but gotta say I enjoyed some of the 80's a hell of a lot more than I enjoy anything now. But, regarding vacation....you love it here, but apparently you can only vacation here.....
    pretty pathetic a guy gets to your age and is so unhappy and unsettled in his life that he has to travel to another country and drive around all the time. Pathetic.
    .
    You aren't making any sense.
    .

    Where has he ever? It's down to where you vacation? Did I error when I vacationed in Canada?

    (But do keep poking him with the Idiot Stick. It's fun reading...)
    He seems to be saying anyone who vacations in the US is pathetic? I don't know...it's all pretty much gibberish. He's just angry that I kicked his ass like I did, but I did it for his own good.
    Vacationing here isn't pathetic. What's pathetic is if you love it here so much, then why not live here? MORON.

    I have a plethora of reasons to maintain a primary residence in Canada, none of which are "pathetic." You realize Canada is often ranked as the best country in the world in which to live, right (or at least always near the top)? And even beyond that, I
    have the privilege of living in an awesome neighborhood in Vancouver, consistently ranked as one of the most livable cities in the world? As your venerable President Biden would say, "that's storybook, man." But that doesn't mean we aren't going to
    travel to other countries, because we are, and the United States would be my #1 international destination. It's a great place if you stay away from ghettos and Trump voters.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 5 12:51:02 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:40:34 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:21:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:37:15 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 7:42:35 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:31:29 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:35:01 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:00:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only
    applied if that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?
    I'm not a good example because I'm more fortunate than most, but gotta say I enjoyed some of the 80's a hell of a lot more than I enjoy anything now. But, regarding vacation....you love it here, but apparently you can only vacation here.....
    pretty pathetic a guy gets to your age and is so unhappy and unsettled in his life that he has to travel to another country and drive around all the time. Pathetic.
    .
    You aren't making any sense.
    .

    Where has he ever? It's down to where you vacation? Did I error when I vacationed in Canada?

    (But do keep poking him with the Idiot Stick. It's fun reading...)
    He seems to be saying anyone who vacations in the US is pathetic? I don't know...it's all pretty much gibberish. He's just angry that I kicked his ass like I did, but I did it for his own good.
    Vacationing here isn't pathetic. What's pathetic is if you love it here so much, then why not live here? MORON.
    I have a plethora of reasons to maintain a primary residence in Canada, none of which are "pathetic." You realize Canada is often ranked as the best country in the world in which to live, right (or at least always near the top)? And even beyond that, I
    have the privilege of living in an awesome neighborhood in Vancouver, consistently ranked as one of the most livable cities in the world? As your venerable President Biden would say, "that's storybook, man." But that doesn't mean we aren't going to
    travel to other countries, because we are, and the United States would be my #1 international destination. It's a great place if you stay away from ghettos and Trump voters.

    Best? Is it those Canadian taxes you love? Is it Trudeau seizing bank accounts? How about those insane lockdowns you guys had? Maybe the fact your entire country was on fire...that's why you spent so much time in CA....Are there any more canadians
    left in Vancouver? I heard it was all chinese now so much your country, that loves to tax, is now taxing them an extra 5% each year for being a foreigner owning a place there. How about that government health care that'll maybe getting around to
    giving you an appointment in a year or so...perhaps that's why you come to CA, so a Dr can see you same day.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Tue Sep 5 12:54:55 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:40:34 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:21:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:37:15 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 7:42:35 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:31:29 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:35:01 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:00:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only
    applied if that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?
    I'm not a good example because I'm more fortunate than most, but gotta say I enjoyed some of the 80's a hell of a lot more than I enjoy anything now. But, regarding vacation....you love it here, but apparently you can only vacation here.....
    pretty pathetic a guy gets to your age and is so unhappy and unsettled in his life that he has to travel to another country and drive around all the time. Pathetic.
    .
    You aren't making any sense.
    .

    Where has he ever? It's down to where you vacation? Did I error when I vacationed in Canada?

    (But do keep poking him with the Idiot Stick. It's fun reading...)
    He seems to be saying anyone who vacations in the US is pathetic? I don't know...it's all pretty much gibberish. He's just angry that I kicked his ass like I did, but I did it for his own good.
    Vacationing here isn't pathetic. What's pathetic is if you love it here so much, then why not live here? MORON.
    I have a plethora of reasons to maintain a primary residence in Canada, none of which are "pathetic." You realize Canada is often ranked as the best country in the world in which to live, right (or at least always near the top)? And even beyond that, I
    have the privilege of living in an awesome neighborhood in Vancouver, consistently ranked as one of the most livable cities in the world? As your venerable President Biden would say, "that's storybook, man." But that doesn't mean we aren't going to
    travel to other countries, because we are, and the United States would be my #1 international destination. It's a great place if you stay away from ghettos and Trump voters.

    Oh, and I'll point out how you live in the most Southern part of BC....cuz God knows nobody can live much father to the North in Canada....don't about half of all Canadians have to crowd up with each other in the Toronto area so they don't freeze?...and
    while we are at it, how did you guys let our government con you into selling all your gold reserves at such low prices....about as stupid as England selling their gold for $200/oz....you know our CIA made you do that. Oh, BTW, how great will Canada be
    when Alberta decides to leave the country...you know your constitution allows for that and Albert basically pays the taxes in your country....the rest of you will be fucked.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 5 13:42:01 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 12:51:07 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:40:34 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:21:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:37:15 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 7:42:35 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:31:29 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:35:01 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:00:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only
    applied if that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?
    I'm not a good example because I'm more fortunate than most, but gotta say I enjoyed some of the 80's a hell of a lot more than I enjoy anything now. But, regarding vacation....you love it here, but apparently you can only vacation here.....
    pretty pathetic a guy gets to your age and is so unhappy and unsettled in his life that he has to travel to another country and drive around all the time. Pathetic.
    .
    You aren't making any sense.
    .

    Where has he ever? It's down to where you vacation? Did I error when I vacationed in Canada?

    (But do keep poking him with the Idiot Stick. It's fun reading...)
    He seems to be saying anyone who vacations in the US is pathetic? I don't know...it's all pretty much gibberish. He's just angry that I kicked his ass like I did, but I did it for his own good.
    Vacationing here isn't pathetic. What's pathetic is if you love it here so much, then why not live here? MORON.
    I have a plethora of reasons to maintain a primary residence in Canada, none of which are "pathetic." You realize Canada is often ranked as the best country in the world in which to live, right (or at least always near the top)? And even beyond that,
    I have the privilege of living in an awesome neighborhood in Vancouver, consistently ranked as one of the most livable cities in the world? As your venerable President Biden would say, "that's storybook, man." But that doesn't mean we aren't going to
    travel to other countries, because we are, and the United States would be my #1 international destination. It's a great place if you stay away from ghettos and Trump voters.
    Best? Is it those Canadian taxes you love? Is it Trudeau seizing bank accounts? How about those insane lockdowns you guys had? Maybe the fact your entire country was on fire...that's why you spent so much time in CA....Are there any more canadians left
    in Vancouver? I heard it was all chinese now so much your country, that loves to tax, is now taxing them an extra 5% each year for being a foreigner owning a place there. How about that government health care that'll maybe getting around to giving you an
    appointment in a year or so...perhaps that's why you come to CA, so a Dr can see you same day.
    .

    I see what you mean, Bill. This ignorant asshole can't answer, just struggles and lies and dodges
    and makes up conspiracy theories...

    See what I mean about the ease of bitch-slapping this fool?

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Sep 5 13:37:53 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:21:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:37:15 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 7:42:35 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:31:29 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:35:01 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:00:57 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    I don't know what that means...."has to vacation in California." I love California. Are you now admitting you aren't better off than the average person in the 1980s? Because I made it very clear the conclusion that you failed at life only
    applied if that precondition was true. Is your reading comprehension even worse than your knowledge of economics?
    I'm not a good example because I'm more fortunate than most, but gotta say I enjoyed some of the 80's a hell of a lot more than I enjoy anything now. But, regarding vacation....you love it here, but apparently you can only vacation here.....
    pretty pathetic a guy gets to your age and is so unhappy and unsettled in his life that he has to travel to another country and drive around all the time. Pathetic.
    .
    You aren't making any sense.
    .

    Where has he ever? It's down to where you vacation? Did I error when I vacationed in Canada?

    (But do keep poking him with the Idiot Stick. It's fun reading...)
    He seems to be saying anyone who vacations in the US is pathetic? I don't know...it's all pretty much gibberish. He's just angry that I kicked his ass like I did, but I did it for his own good.
    Vacationing here isn't pathetic. What's pathetic is if you love it here so much, then why not live here? MORON.
    .

    I loved it when I vacationed in Canada; so I should move there?
    I loved it when I took business trips to Canada; so I should move there?

    I love pointing out your ignorance and stupidity, and the fact you can't answer.

    LOL!

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Tue Sep 5 17:44:36 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 11:32:41 PM UTC-4, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:02:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    What fucking planet are you on...canadian acting like taxes aren't prices. They sure as fuck are. Those taxes are part of the price of everything and they add the fuck up...and they regularly increase, so that increase..which eats thru all your wage
    gains and then some, is called inflation you MORON.
    We need a new "Moron Tax".

    That would raise a lot.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Tue Sep 5 18:13:46 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:32:41 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:02:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    What fucking planet are you on...canadian acting like taxes aren't prices. They sure as fuck are. Those taxes are part of the price of everything and they add the fuck up...and they regularly increase, so that increase..which eats thru all your wage
    gains and then some, is called inflation you MORON.
    We need a new "Moron Tax".

    I have a theory about society that there is always a growing number of thoroughly useless people on society, democrat-types, who aren't producers and think society you fund their lifestyle. Kings and countries through the ages have dealt with this
    excess in useless people by having wars....convenient way to get rid of excess useless population that gathers in the cities and gives leader the potential to both do something useful for them and also gets them off the hook of providing for these
    useless societal vagrants. We haven't have a good culling of useless people since WW2 so now the world is completely full of useless dumbasses and it'll really take WW3 to cleanse this world of all these losers. If we don't do it, nature will find
    another way via pestilence or otherwise. I mean how do you tax the morons when they are already broke and out of work?

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 6 03:07:59 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 12:51:07 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Best? Is it those Canadian taxes you love?

    I have no problem with taxes. I don't even think about them. They're just the cost of doing business in one of the most livable countries in the world. I just focus on what we bring in after taxes, which I consider a stupid amount of money. Like in golf,
    you can buy a pass at some 9-hole executive course in an old farmer's field, or you can join a ritzy manicured country club with all the amenities. The latter has higher dues. That's just the way it is.

    Is it Trudeau seizing bank accounts?

    Zero problem with that. He ended the illegal trucker occupation without firing a shot. I believe you can get your bank account frozen in any developed country if you are funding a criminal enterprise. I just think Trudeau was a little too patient with
    the trucker morons and their illegal "protest about nothing."

    How about those insane lockdowns you guys had?

    I don't really recall any. They never affected me in any material way. I don't think the lockdowns in Canada were any different than anywhere else in the Western world, were they?

    Maybe the fact your entire country was on fire...that's why you spent so much time in CA....

    No, that wasn't a factor. But it was a bad year for forest fires.

    ?Are there any more canadians left in Vancouver?

    I just assume almost everyone is Canadian. I don't really know the stats. Don't care.

    I heard it was all chinese now so much your country, that loves to tax, is now taxing them an extra 5% each year for being a foreigner owning a place there.

    Yes, there is extreme housing unaffordability and a rental housing shortage in Vancouver, and it pissed off the activists that so many houses were sitting empty, so they successfully lobbied for this tax. I'm not sure if it will work. Doesn't affect me...
    I don't really care.

    How about that government health care that'll maybe getting around to giving you an appointment in a year or so...perhaps that's why you come to CA, so a Dr >can see you same day.

    You'll never hear me complain about Canadian healthcare. Both my wife and I were saved by it against all odds, and we've both been treated like royalty. My problem isn't getting in to see a doctor. It's the opposite for me, with doctors and nurses
    constantly calling me, emailing me, sending me requisitions for tests, setting up video appointments, etc. I skip out on as many as I think I can get away with without being scolded.

    That's not to diminish the experiences of those who have run into problems or delays. I do know they exist. I just think it's all grossly exaggerated, because our decades of experience with the system has been the exact opposite. And who doesn't want to
    be handed a certificate at birth for a million dollars worth of free lifetime healthcare? What a great security blanket.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 6 03:19:27 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 12:55:00 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Oh, and I'll point out how you live in the most Southern part of BC....cuz God knows nobody can live much father to the North in Canada....don't about half of all Canadians have to crowd up with each other in the Toronto area so they don't freeze?...

    I think it's more of an economic thing. I believe about 80% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. Our backyard is a few million square miles of pristine wilderness holding trillions of dollars worth of emergency supplies.

    and while we are at it, how did you guys let our government con you into selling all your gold reserves at such low prices....about as stupid as England selling their >gold for $200/oz....you know our CIA made you do that.

    I assume they sold it because they thought they could get a better return on investment elsewhere? Not hard to do. I'm sure Canada still has tens of thousands of tons of gold (and maybe much much more) in our underground pantry.


    Oh, BTW, how great will Canada be when Alberta decides to leave the country...you know your constitution allows for that and Albert basically pays the taxes in >your country....the rest of you will be fucked.

    Alberta doesn't pay *that* much more in taxes per capita than the other provinces, and only a relatively small fringe minority of Albertans would vote to separate. Never going to happen.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Sep 6 07:15:09 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:32:41 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:02:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    What fucking planet are you on...canadian acting like taxes aren't prices. They sure as fuck are. Those taxes are part of the price of everything and they add the fuck up...and they regularly increase, so that increase..which eats thru all your
    wage gains and then some, is called inflation you MORON.
    We need a new "Moron Tax".
    .

    I have a [conspiracy] theory about society that there is always a growing number of thoroughly useless people
    on society, democrat-types...

    LOL! The "Democrat-types" are the ones that got you Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare and much more.

    *** And you didn't know it! ***
    .
    .
    .
    .










    , who aren't producers and think society you fund their lifestyle. Kings and countries through the ages have dealt with this excess in useless people by having wars....convenient way to get rid of excess useless population that gathers in the cities and
    gives leader the potential to both do something useful for them and also gets them off the hook of providing for these useless societal vagrants. We haven't have a good culling of useless people since WW2 so now the world is completely full of useless
    dumbasses and it'll really take WW3 to cleanse this world of all these losers. If we don't do it, nature will find another way via pestilence or otherwise. I mean how do you tax the morons when they are already broke and out of work?

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 6 10:29:34 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:19:32 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 12:55:00 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    and while we are at it, how did you guys let our government con you into selling all your gold reserves at such low prices....about as stupid as England selling their >gold for $200/oz....you know our CIA made you do that.
    I assume they sold it because they thought they could get a better return on investment elsewhere? Not hard to do. I'm sure Canada still has tens of thousands of tons of gold (and maybe much much more) in our underground pantry.

    You guys sold it because our govt told you so, same with Britain who also sold it at joke prices. And, then gold went 10x since. Since then you spent a fortune turning tar sands into oil....and are forced to funnel it thru the USA at HUGE discounts
    and can't make a profit on that oil unless it's over $90/barrel. Does that look like a better investment? And, sure you got a bunch of moose pasture out there that might have some gold underground, but you'll never get at it for $200/oz....or
    anywhere near that price.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Sep 6 10:43:14 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:08:04 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 12:51:07 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Best? Is it those Canadian taxes you love?
    I have no problem with taxes. I don't even think about them. They're just the cost of doing business in one of the most livable countries in the world. I just focus on what we bring in after taxes, which I consider a stupid amount of money. Like in
    golf, you can buy a pass at some 9-hole executive course in an old farmer's field, or you can join a ritzy manicured country club with all the amenities. The latter has higher dues. That's just the way it is.

    That is sick. Taxes are theft. I mean....maybe you can argue some taxes for a defense, schools, and roads....but how much do you geniuses spend on diversity programs with Trudeau in charge?

    Is it Trudeau seizing bank accounts?
    Zero problem with that. He ended the illegal trucker occupation without firing a shot. I believe you can get your bank account frozen in any developed country if you are funding a criminal enterprise. I just think Trudeau was a little too patient with
    the trucker morons and their illegal "protest about nothing."

    If there protest was about nothing, but declare it illegal? Free speech...that's maybe a concept you canadians should check out rather than allow political weaponization of your justice system to destroy people's lives if they give $10 to truckers
    before you even decided they shouldn't do that. We have our own political weaponization problems going on with the US attacking Trump. That's going to backfire because every single black in our country is going to sympathize with Trump and switch
    their votes.

    How about those insane lockdowns you guys had?
    I don't really recall any. They never affected me in any material way. I don't think the lockdowns in Canada were any different than anywhere else in the Western world, were they?
    Maybe the fact your entire country was on fire...that's why you spent so much time in CA....
    No, that wasn't a factor. But it was a bad year for forest fires.

    ?Are there any more canadians left in Vancouver?

    I just assume almost everyone is Canadian. I don't really know the stats. Don't care.

    Don't care because miscegenating your population agrees with your politics.

    I heard it was all chinese now so much your country, that loves to tax, is now taxing them an extra 5% each year for being a foreigner owning a place there.
    Yes, there is extreme housing unaffordability and a rental housing shortage in Vancouver, and it pissed off the activists that so many houses were sitting empty, so they successfully lobbied for this tax. I'm not sure if it will work. Doesn't affect me.
    ..I don't really care.

    How about that government health care that'll maybe getting around to giving you an appointment in a year or so...perhaps that's why you come to CA, so a Dr >can see you same day.
    You'll never hear me complain about Canadian healthcare. Both my wife and I were saved by it against all odds, and we've both been treated like royalty. My problem isn't getting in to see a doctor. It's the opposite for me, with doctors and nurses
    constantly calling me, emailing me, sending me requisitions for tests, setting up video appointments, etc. I skip out on as many as I think I can get away with without being scolded.

    But that's just because they think they can cheap out of your healthcare by constantly testing. I see than in my HMO....always wanting me to come in for a free blood pressure check or sending me the shit-on-a-stick test every year...they are about due
    to call me to come get my flu shot.

    That's not to diminish the experiences of those who have run into problems or delays. I do know they exist. I just think it's all grossly exaggerated, because our decades of experience with the system has been the exact opposite. And who doesn't want
    to be handed a certificate at birth for a million dollars worth of free lifetime healthcare? What a great security blanket.

    My best friend had stage 4 cancer so he had to see specialists way down in Tuscon, Arizona where he had plenty of interesting stories of Canadians show up there with grocery bags full of cash getting treatment. Those canadians all seemed to think they
    couldn't ever get timely help when it came to curing cancer.

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