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  • Re: Popinjay

    From jack roth@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 10:03:25 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?

    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.

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  • From halfpastdead9@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 09:47:10 2023
    Is Popinjay still alive ?

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon Jul 17 11:51:58 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.


    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Mon Jul 17 12:32:36 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.
    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024.

    Well, if you itemize, you'll just deduct enough gambling losses to offset it. I hope you didn't toke the person who made you sign the form OR the cage when you cashed out.

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  • From C Mayhem@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Tue Jul 18 06:45:57 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:52:03 PM UTC-5, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.
    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024.

    Sweet! What was the count on the blue when you started? If it's not top secret. Recently I decided to take AP slots seriously and resolved to put some serious study time in. It's a pity. I used to enjoy grinding a good vp opportunity, but that ship
    has mostly sailed... at least locally.

    Chandler

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to C Mayhem on Tue Jul 18 07:18:51 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:46:01 AM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:

    Sweet! What was the count on the blue when you started? If it's not top secret. Recently I decided to take AP slots seriously and resolved to put some serious study time in. It's a pity. I used to enjoy grinding a good vp opportunity, but that ship has
    mostly sailed... at least locally.

    Chandler


    I think Blue started about 15 and was in high 20s when they all went off. Big fat Yellow. It's an interesting game. Frustrating. A lot of different opinions on it. My local VP has really sunk lately. Some spots my only play is 9-7 DB. I'm going to
    have to change with the times.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Tue Jul 18 08:21:14 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:18:57 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:46:01 AM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:

    Sweet! What was the count on the blue when you started? If it's not top secret. Recently I decided to take AP slots seriously and resolved to put some serious study time in. It's a pity. I used to enjoy grinding a good vp opportunity, but that ship
    has mostly sailed... at least locally.

    Chandler
    I think Blue started about 15 and was in high 20s when they all went off. Big fat Yellow. It's an interesting game. Frustrating. A lot of different opinions on it. My local VP has really sunk lately. Some spots my only play is 9-7 DB. I'm going to have
    to change with the times.

    You ever wonder if the 97 DB really pays that way? I read a number of Indian casinos don't mind taking risks of big fines by not paying out fairly.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Jul 18 08:47:50 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:21:19 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    You ever wonder if the 97 DB really pays that way? I read a number of Indian casinos don't mind taking risks of big fines by not paying out fairly.

    They don't need to rig Double Bonus. It's such a difficult game. When the FH pays 7 and the ST pays 5, it really makes the strategy complicated. But I have faith in the honesty of Indian casinos. Basically, anyway.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Jul 18 08:49:01 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:22:32 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    I also remember up in Oroville when the indian casinos first started in a tent and were hard up for money....players would be hitting legit jackpots and they weren't paying them

    I believe you. But surely it ain't like that now?

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Tue Jul 18 08:22:28 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:18:57 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:46:01 AM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:

    Sweet! What was the count on the blue when you started? If it's not top secret. Recently I decided to take AP slots seriously and resolved to put some serious study time in. It's a pity. I used to enjoy grinding a good vp opportunity, but that ship
    has mostly sailed... at least locally.

    Chandler
    I think Blue started about 15 and was in high 20s when they all went off. Big fat Yellow. It's an interesting game. Frustrating. A lot of different opinions on it. My local VP has really sunk lately. Some spots my only play is 9-7 DB. I'm going to have
    to change with the times.

    I also remember up in Oroville when the indian casinos first started in a tent and were hard up for money....players would be hitting legit jackpots and they weren't paying them

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Tue Jul 18 09:24:57 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:49:06 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:22:32 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    I also remember up in Oroville when the indian casinos first started in a tent and were hard up for money....players would be hitting legit jackpots and they weren't paying them
    I believe you. But surely it ain't like that now?

    I know they've grown a lot and but in a nice hotel now, so probably not, but I dunno, haven't been around there in a long time to hear all the stories or read about the lawsuits in the papers. I do know the poker room at one of them was ran by a tribe
    member for a while and he was a cheating MFer. In tournaments, he'd put himself in with an entire rack of tourney chips(just blatant cheating) and any time that jackpot started approaching $10K, he'd put an employee into the game and they'd cooler the
    jackpot. It was that blatant. He ended up getting fired though...think there were a lot of complaints. A couple dealers from that casino would visit the Paradise poker rom and try to cheat the game and it was pretty ugly at the table when I exposed
    them. Their signaling and sandwich raising was just too obvious. Had another tribe elder(reportedly a drug dealer) who'd try to cheat the paradise game the same way with his wife...any time they moved a big stack of chips forward and then pulled off
    chips to bet, that was the signal for the spouse to raise and re-raise back. I finally said, "Ah, come onnnnn" one time and they both immediately beefed with for outing them because they were losing anyways and I wasn't even in the hand. Then they
    left and I got warned by a couple people that knew of him saying he might kill me for doing that since apparently he really was a scary drug dealer. I don't care though, I hate cheating. Some crazy times up there for such small rooms. Many players
    seemed to have crazy stories. There was a guy nicknamed "Chicken Dave"...raised chickens? Anyways, his g/f would tag along and the story was he'd have his g/f screwing players out in the parking lot for small buy-ins to keep him in action. Many Gold
    miners....various levels of criminals. Scariest white dude ever once walked in....had a noose tattooed around his neck and he was huge and muscular..but had an 90lb asian g/f in tow. I could go on forever about the various stories up there. Makes the
    game interesting...way more interesting than LA degens.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Tue Jul 18 12:45:32 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.
    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024.
    .

    Yesterday at Red Rock, I had to sign for $200, Threes full.

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  • From C Mayhem@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Tue Jul 18 14:41:57 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:45:38 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.
    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024.
    .

    Yesterday at Red Rock, I had to sign for $200, Threes full.

    I remember winning some crappy little tournament in Laughlin at Harrah's many years ago. The prize was in the hundreds. I think it still triggered a W2. I know I had to sign for it. Nuts.

    C

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  • From C Mayhem@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Tue Jul 18 14:38:35 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-5, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:21:19 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    You ever wonder if the 97 DB really pays that way? I read a number of Indian casinos don't mind taking risks of big fines by not paying out fairly.
    They don't need to rig Double Bonus. It's such a difficult game. When the FH pays 7 and the ST pays 5, it really makes the strategy complicated. But I have faith in the honesty of Indian casinos. Basically, anyway.

    My benefits and promotions are slimmer these days. It's hard to make 99% work. Especially if the play triggers W2s. I trust games at the Wisconsin and Michigan NA casinos I go to. I do not always trust drawings and promotions.

    C

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  • From C Mayhem@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Tue Jul 18 14:32:58 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:18:57 AM UTC-5, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:46:01 AM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:

    Sweet! What was the count on the blue when you started? If it's not top secret. Recently I decided to take AP slots seriously and resolved to put some serious study time in. It's a pity. I used to enjoy grinding a good vp opportunity, but that ship
    has mostly sailed... at least locally.

    Chandler
    I think Blue started about 15 and was in high 20s when they all went off. Big fat Yellow. It's an interesting game. Frustrating. A lot of different opinions on it. My local VP has really sunk lately. Some spots my only play is 9-7 DB. I'm going to have
    to change with the times.

    From what I've read 15 might be a little low to jump on it. I haven't seen an opportunity on that one yet. I've started to compile a list of games and strategies. It's just in the beginning stage, but I can see that's where the advantage is now. I
    can still find a little 99%+ vp, but it's not like the old days. I was pulling down 2 or 3 percent advantages locally and getting a lot of love for my action. That's long gone.

    Heading to Vegas again in a couple of months. I'll fit in a little vp there, I'm sure.

    C

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to C Mayhem on Tue Jul 18 16:11:46 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:42:01 PM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:45:38 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.
    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024.
    .

    Yesterday at Red Rock, I had to sign for $200, Threes full.
    I remember winning some crappy little tournament in Laughlin at Harrah's many years ago. The prize was in the hundreds. I think it still triggered a W2. I know I had to sign for it. Nuts.

    C

    If everything is triggering a W2, why would you even play?

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Jul 18 19:54:44 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:11:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    If everything is triggering a W2, why would you even play?

    I don't trigger nuthin. If it's income, I report it, and pay tax on it. That's why they call it income tax. Soon I will be writing off mileage too, and paying self-employment tax.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to C Mayhem on Tue Jul 18 19:57:26 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:33:04 PM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:

    From what I've read 15 might be a little low to jump on it.

    I'd like to discuss this, but I'm going to have to keep my mouth shut on it. Sorry.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Tue Jul 18 19:59:03 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 12:45:38 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:


    Yesterday at Red Rock, I had to sign for $200, Threes full.


    Who gives a fuck, Jerry. You ain't worth talking to.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 18 20:42:03 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?

    He's more alive than jerry. It's like someone hired a trained parrot to replace jerry and it only knows two lines. No one mentioned when he died in June.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Wed Jul 19 05:07:32 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:57:30 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:33:04 PM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:

    From what I've read 15 might be a little low to jump on it.
    I'd like to discuss this, but I'm going to have to keep my mouth shut on it. Sorry.

    I have a rather harmless question for you. Regarding Red Pig. Would you rather play against Hog Wild, or Meal Ticket? Would you rather have Red Pig fat with 100 Wilds? Or with the lower symbols struck out and excluded? Does it really matter? Or is
    it all in my mind?

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  • From C Mayhem@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Jul 19 05:16:04 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:11:51 PM UTC-5, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:42:01 PM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:45:38 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.
    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024.
    .

    Yesterday at Red Rock, I had to sign for $200, Threes full.
    I remember winning some crappy little tournament in Laughlin at Harrah's many years ago. The prize was in the hundreds. I think it still triggered a W2. I know I had to sign for it. Nuts.

    C
    If everything is triggering a W2, why would you even play?

    I don't know what Jerry is talking about. As I recall, and my memory is very hazy here, the Harrahs of that era had done something sketchy and the feds were making them do paperwork on minor tournament wins. It was not typical. I haven't picked up a
    physical card in years... except a little blackjack coupon hustling. From a machine perspective I know exactly what triggers a W2 and because of the state tax situation I have to be cognizant of what they do to the bottom line when I calculate
    expectation.

    C

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  • From C Mayhem@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Wed Jul 19 05:23:10 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:57:30 PM UTC-5, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:33:04 PM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:

    From what I've read 15 might be a little low to jump on it.
    I'd like to discuss this, but I'm going to have to keep my mouth shut on it. Sorry.
    Wait! What about all those time I never lent you money??? ;-) No worries. That statement is valuable information in itself. I don't know something and that is always good to know.

    C

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  • From C Mayhem@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Wed Jul 19 05:56:27 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:07:37 AM UTC-5, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:57:30 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:33:04 PM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:

    From what I've read 15 might be a little low to jump on it.
    I'd like to discuss this, but I'm going to have to keep my mouth shut on it. Sorry.
    I have a rather harmless question for you. Regarding Red Pig. Would you rather play against Hog Wild, or Meal Ticket? Would you rather have Red Pig fat with 100 Wilds? Or with the lower symbols struck out and excluded? Does it really matter? Or is it
    all in my mind?

    My knowledge of this game is sketchy and academic. I'll watch some video of play and let you know. From what I've read, and you have probably read the same analysis, the blue pig is the important driver of value. My knowledge is a work in progress for
    slots. It will take me a while to catch up. I've always had some ap slots in my back pocket. Variable state machines are often easy to spot and sometimes a decent strategy is easy to figure out, but I've never put the work in to see the full potential.

    C

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  • From C Mayhem@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Wed Jul 19 05:18:25 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:54:48 PM UTC-5, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:11:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    If everything is triggering a W2, why would you even play?
    I don't trigger nuthin. If it's income, I report it, and pay tax on it. That's why they call it income tax. Soon I will be writing off mileage too, and paying self-employment tax.
    Filing as a professional these days? There was a time I thought about this, but I don't play enough these days to bother.

    C

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Jul 19 10:39:00 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:42:08 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    He's more alive than jerry. It's like someone hired a trained parrot to replace jerry and it only knows two lines. No one mentioned when he died in June.
    .

    Heh. This loser can't answer or respond to me direct. Only the coward's way, third person.

    Run away, boy...

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Wed Jul 19 10:35:47 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:59:07 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 12:45:38 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:


    Yesterday at Red Rock, I had to sign for $200, Threes full.
    .
    Who gives a fuck, Jerry. You ain't worth talking to.

    Well. I'm worth $200.. (And you _are_ talking to me...)

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to C Mayhem on Wed Jul 19 10:46:14 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 5:16:09 AM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:11:51 PM UTC-5, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:42:01 PM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:45:38 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.
    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024.
    .

    Yesterday at Red Rock, I had to sign for $200, Threes full.
    I remember winning some crappy little tournament in Laughlin at Harrah's many years ago. The prize was in the hundreds. I think it still triggered a W2. I know I had to sign for it. Nuts.

    C
    If everything is triggering a W2, why would you even play?
    .

    I don't know what Jerry is talking about. As I recall, and my memory is very hazy here, the Harrahs of that era had
    done something sketchy and the feds were making them do paperwork on minor tournament wins. It was not typical.
    .

    Don't know the timeline on that, but tournament wins I've been in, you sign (scribble) your name and (scribble) your Social Security number. Never make it readable. Done it for years, never listed them nor paid taxes on them.
    .
    .
    I haven't picked up a physical card in years... except a little blackjack coupon hustling. From a machine perspective I know exactly what triggers a W2 and because of the state tax situation I have to be cognizant of what they do to the bottom line
    when I calculate expectation.
    .

    I believe I heard Riski say if you hit a machine for $1,200 (or there abouts) or more, you sign a W2.



    C

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Wed Jul 19 18:07:51 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

    but tournament wins I've been in, you sign (scribble) your name and (scribble) your Social Security number. Never make it readable. Done it for years, never listed them nor paid taxes on them.


    That's a crime, mutherfucker. A federal crime. And you just admitted it on the internet. You evaded taxes. You should be in jail.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Wed Jul 19 18:38:38 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

    but tournament wins I've been in, you sign (scribble) your name and (scribble) your Social Security number. Never make it readable. Done it for years, never listed them nor paid taxes on them.

    That's a crime, mutherfucker. A federal crime. And you just admitted it on the internet. You evaded taxes. You should be in jail.

    Given his remaining life expectancy, I doubt he cares. He's about a week away from giving a death bed confession of meeting space aliens at Area 51.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to jack roth on Wed Jul 19 18:46:32 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Given his remaining life expectancy, I doubt he cares. He's about a week away from giving a death bed confession of meeting space aliens at Area 51.

    First he needs to confess about the tax evasion. He's lucky I'm not a snitch.

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  • From C Mayhem@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Thu Jul 20 05:58:18 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:07:37 AM UTC-5, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:57:30 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:33:04 PM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:

    From what I've read 15 might be a little low to jump on it.
    I'd like to discuss this, but I'm going to have to keep my mouth shut on it. Sorry.
    I have a rather harmless question for you. Regarding Red Pig. Would you rather play against Hog Wild, or Meal Ticket? Would you rather have Red Pig fat with 100 Wilds? Or with the lower symbols struck out and excluded? Does it really matter? Or is it
    all in my mind?

    Watched one of my go to youtube guys yesterday, but he hit with blue and yellow in his session. I'll scan for a red pig session later.

    C

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu Jul 20 10:34:03 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

    but tournament wins I've been in, you sign (scribble) your name and (scribble) your Social Security number. Never make it readable. Done it for years, never listed them nor paid taxes on them.

    That's a crime, mutherfucker. A federal crime. And you just admitted it on the internet. You evaded taxes. You should be in jail.
    .

    Given his remaining life expectancy,

    So what is it, dumbfuck?

    See? I just showed, once again, your ignorance again. Shooting your mouth off about things you know nothing about. LOL!


    I doubt he cares. He's about a week away from giving a death bed confession of meeting
    space aliens at Area 51.

    See again? A twofer of bitch-slapping you, again.

    I do so delight in embarrassing you.....

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Thu Jul 20 10:35:29 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:46:37 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Given his remaining life expectancy, I doubt he cares. He's about a week away from giving a death bed confession of meeting space aliens at Area 51.
    First he needs to confess about the tax evasion. He's lucky I'm not a snitch.

    Stupid #2. What could you snitch? You've got nothing...

    Wha! HA~Ha!

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Thu Jul 20 11:26:40 2023
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:35:34 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

    Stupid #2. What could you snitch? You've got nothing...



    I've got your admission to committing tax evasion right here. It's more than they have on Trump.

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  • From Mossingen@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri Jul 21 11:25:10 2023
    "Paul Popinjay" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino
    in order to get comped for the buffet.


    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at
    the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024.


    __________


    On my last day in Vegas a few weeks ago, I colored up at craps for $5,500.
    I went to the cage and it took forever for them to "confirm" that it was me
    who actually won the chips. Over a threshhold, you can't just cash in chips anymore. The pit has to confirm that you actually won them.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Fri Jul 21 12:43:27 2023
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:26:44 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:35:34 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

    Stupid #2. What could you snitch? You've got nothing...
    .

    I've got your admission to committing tax evasion right here. It's more than they have on Trump.

    *** Knew you have nothing ***

    //NEXT//

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Fri Jul 21 13:17:19 2023
    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 9:25:19 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "Paul Popinjay" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.


    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024. __________


    On my last day in Vegas a few weeks ago, I colored up at craps for $5,500.
    I went to the cage and it took forever for them to "confirm" that it was me who actually won the chips. Over a threshhold, you can't just cash in chips anymore. The pit has to confirm that you actually won them.

    Well, you have a $10K loss in the WSOP to write off against those winnings. Certainly, you itemize..

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Fri Jul 21 18:22:00 2023
    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:43:32 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

    *** Knew you have nothing ***

    //NEXT//


    You just admitted it, fuckface. I now have the ability to rat you off and send you to jail. They will love some fresh meat like you.

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  • From Mossingen@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Sat Jul 22 13:17:09 2023
    "jack roth" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 9:25:19 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "Paul Popinjay" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino
    in order to get comped for the buffet.


    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at
    the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in
    2024.
    __________


    On my last day in Vegas a few weeks ago, I colored up at craps for $5,500.
    I went to the cage and it took forever for them to "confirm" that it was
    me
    who actually won the chips. Over a threshhold, you can't just cash in
    chips
    anymore. The pit has to confirm that you actually won them.

    Well, you have a $10K loss in the WSOP to write off against those winnings. Certainly, you itemize..

    ______________


    Yes, and I also have one of those commemorative card protectors they handed
    out to commemorate the biggest field in the Main. It's very nice...only
    cost me $10k!

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Jul 22 11:53:50 2023
    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:17:24 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 9:25:19 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "Paul Popinjay" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:03:30 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:47:15 AM UTC-7, halfpastdead9 wrote:
    Is Popinjay still alive ?
    Yes, but sometimes he has to put in his hours at the local Indian Casino in order to get comped for the buffet.


    This morning I had to sign a W-2G, I hit the Blue, Yellow, and Red pig at the same time for over $2100. The IRS is going to rip me a new one in 2024.
    __________


    On my last day in Vegas a few weeks ago, I colored up at craps for $5,500. I went to the cage and it took forever for them to "confirm" that it was me
    who actually won the chips. Over a threshhold, you can't just cash in chips
    anymore. The pit has to confirm that you actually won them.
    .

    Well, you have a $10K loss in the WSOP to write off against those winnings.

    Aren't you forgetting the registration fee and administrative fee above the $10K?

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Sat Jul 22 11:43:57 2023
    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 6:22:05 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 12:43:32 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:

    *** Knew you have nothing ***

    //NEXT//
    You just admitted it, fuckface. I now have the ability to rat you off and send you to jail. They will love some fresh meat like you.
    .

    Yet you can't.

    *** Knew you had nothing ***

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Sat Jul 22 14:10:09 2023
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

    Yes, and I also have one of those commemorative card protectors they handed out to commemorate the biggest field in the Main. It's very nice...only
    cost me $10k!

    I've never understood card protectors. Everyone has chips at the table...use one of them. I recall when the pink haired cunt who used to chat in this group tried to give me some heavy metal slug as a card protector and I politely refused. She seemed
    so insulted. Truth is I just didn't want it weighing down my shorts pocket.

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat Jul 22 15:12:00 2023
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:10:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    I recall when the pink haired cunt who used to chat in this group tried to give me some heavy metal slug as a card protector and I politely refused. She seemed so insulted.


    How can she possibly be insulted about anything?

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Sat Jul 22 16:10:16 2023
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:10:14 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    I recall when the pink haired cunt who used to chat in this group tried to give me some heavy metal slug as a card protector and I politely refused. She seemed so insulted.
    How can she possibly be insulted about anything?

    I dunno but I'm happy as hell I never had to work with her. Never seen someone actually brag about all the web weaving they do on the job. Imagine how miserable the politics would be anywhere she works.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Sun Jul 23 17:29:28 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "jack roth" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

    Yes, and I also have one of those commemorative card protectors they handed
    out to commemorate the biggest field in the Main. It's very nice...only cost me $10k!

    I've never understood card protectors. Everyone has chips at the
    table...use one of them. I recall when the pink haired cunt who used to
    chat in this group tried to give me some heavy metal slug as a card protector and I politely refused. She seemed so insulted. Truth is I
    just didn't want it weighing down my shorts pocket.
    ______


    I never use card protectors. I always hold my cards in my hand, protecting all four sides. I have seen idiots throw cards to muck and they slide right under a live hand with a card protector on it, and dealers who muck cards even with chips on them. Much better to just hold them in your own hand and protect them from everything.

    You can get the ideal card protector for $2:
    https://tinyurl.com/459xcxue

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Sun Jul 23 18:11:30 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    I never use card protectors. I always hold my cards in my hand, protecting all four sides. I have seen idiots throw cards to muck and they slide right under a live hand with a card protector on it, and dealers who muck cards even with chips on them. Much better to just hold them in your own hand and protect them from everything.

    Oh, I agree...I'm just giving that as a suggested for all the morons who use card protectors. Many times I've had assholes at the table try to muck their cards into my hand and kill it. And, I never sit next to the dealer for the sole purpose of
    keeping idiot dealers from mucking hands when they aren't supposed to and I've seen that happen 100x easy. I've learned you have to take other precautions these days, too, because lazy dealers will try to get you to surrender your winning hand before
    they push you the pot....too many times someone is still holding onto their hand. There are a lot of things I do to protect myself....having played forever at Commerce, the angle capitol of the world, you have to know how to protect your hand.

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  • From Mossingen@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Sun Jul 23 19:21:06 2023
    "jack roth" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

    Yes, and I also have one of those commemorative card protectors they
    handed
    out to commemorate the biggest field in the Main. It's very nice...only
    cost me $10k!

    I've never understood card protectors. Everyone has chips at the
    table...use one of them. I recall when the pink haired cunt who used to
    chat in this group tried to give me some heavy metal slug as a card
    protector and I politely refused. She seemed so insulted. Truth is I
    just didn't want it weighing down my shorts pocket.


    ______


    I never use card protectors. I always hold my cards in my hand, protecting
    all four sides. I have seen idiots throw cards to muck and they slide right under a live hand with a card protector on it, and dealers who muck cards
    even with chips on them. Much better to just hold them in your own hand and protect them from everything.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sun Jul 23 19:25:15 2023
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 6:11:34 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:

    Commerce, the angle capitol of the world,

    You can say THAT again.

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  • From C Mayhem@21:1/5 to Paul Popinjay on Mon Jul 24 05:12:41 2023
    On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:07:37 AM UTC-5, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:57:30 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:33:04 PM UTC-7, C Mayhem wrote:

    From what I've read 15 might be a little low to jump on it.
    I'd like to discuss this, but I'm going to have to keep my mouth shut on it. Sorry.
    I have a rather harmless question for you. Regarding Red Pig. Would you rather play against Hog Wild, or Meal Ticket? Would you rather have Red Pig fat with 100 Wilds? Or with the lower symbols struck out and excluded? Does it really matter? Or is it
    all in my mind?

    Okay, have a tiny bit of practical experience with the game after weekend at the casino. 2 plays and both were on the X out pig at the .75 denom. My inclination is that the wilds would be the better play after watching a friend on that game. Just a
    guess. Netted just under $200 on 2 plays at 75 cent. I have some new thoughts on the game which may be more in line with yours. Mostly I played other games. Did not once touch the buttons of a vp machine.

    Side note: Did you know that when you touched the pigs they grunt? Really good game design. And good for more than a few jokes about touching my hog.

    C

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  • From Mossingen@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Fri Jul 28 17:05:23 2023
    "BillB" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "jack roth" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

    Yes, and I also have one of those commemorative card protectors they
    handed
    out to commemorate the biggest field in the Main. It's very nice...only cost me $10k!

    I've never understood card protectors. Everyone has chips at the
    table...use one of them. I recall when the pink haired cunt who used to
    chat in this group tried to give me some heavy metal slug as a card
    protector and I politely refused. She seemed so insulted. Truth is I
    just didn't want it weighing down my shorts pocket.
    ______


    I never use card protectors. I always hold my cards in my hand, protecting all four sides. I have seen idiots throw cards to muck and they slide
    right
    under a live hand with a card protector on it, and dealers who muck cards even with chips on them. Much better to just hold them in your own hand
    and
    protect them from everything.

    You can get the ideal card protector for $2:
    https://tinyurl.com/459xcxue

    _______


    Excellent, except I'd like it in chartreuse.

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  • From Travel@21:1/5 to Mossingen on Sun Jul 30 09:49:50 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 6:05:32 PM UTC-4, Mossingen wrote:
    "BillB" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "jack roth" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

    Yes, and I also have one of those commemorative card protectors they handed
    out to commemorate the biggest field in the Main. It's very nice...only cost me $10k!

    I've never understood card protectors. Everyone has chips at the table...use one of them. I recall when the pink haired cunt who used to chat in this group tried to give me some heavy metal slug as a card protector and I politely refused. She seemed so insulted. Truth is I
    just didn't want it weighing down my shorts pocket.
    ______


    I never use card protectors. I always hold my cards in my hand, protecting all four sides. I have seen idiots throw cards to muck and they slide right
    under a live hand with a card protector on it, and dealers who muck cards even with chips on them. Much better to just hold them in your own hand and
    protect them from everything.

    You can get the ideal card protector for $2:
    https://tinyurl.com/459xcxue
    _______


    Excellent, except I'd like it in chartreuse.

    Wonder if all this with the W2s for low-level "wins" has anything to do with Biden's plan to hire 10,000 more IRS auditors, etc. The Democrats "going after" the under the radar money and tax it.

    In Keno, with similar odds for slot machines, 5 out of 5 in Massachusetts wins $450; but of course "no one" probably ever pays taxes on it (under $600 is not reportable, but technically you still owe taxes on it). They (the state) even has a section in
    the lottery rules stating that it's the responsibility of the player to declare the non-reportable "winnings" on their tax returns.

    Maybe the casinos are complying with the "going after" all the "little money out there" even though McCarthy has supposedly blocked the attempt by the Democrats to hire the 10,000 extra IRS agents. Ya, know, the casinos have things set-up for taxing the
    low-level money in anticipation of the new tax-attitude.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Travel on Sun Jul 30 10:49:27 2023
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 6:05:32 PM UTC-4, Mossingen wrote:
    "BillB" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "jack roth" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

    Yes, and I also have one of those commemorative card protectors they handed
    out to commemorate the biggest field in the Main. It's very nice...only
    cost me $10k!

    I've never understood card protectors. Everyone has chips at the table...use one of them. I recall when the pink haired cunt who used to chat in this group tried to give me some heavy metal slug as a card protector and I politely refused. She seemed so insulted. Truth is I just didn't want it weighing down my shorts pocket.
    ______


    I never use card protectors. I always hold my cards in my hand, protecting
    all four sides. I have seen idiots throw cards to muck and they slide right
    under a live hand with a card protector on it, and dealers who muck cards
    even with chips on them. Much better to just hold them in your own hand and
    protect them from everything.

    You can get the ideal card protector for $2:
    https://tinyurl.com/459xcxue
    _______


    Excellent, except I'd like it in chartreuse.
    Wonder if all this with the W2s for low-level "wins" has anything to do with Biden's plan to hire 10,000 more IRS auditors, etc. The Democrats "going after" the under the radar money and tax it.

    In Keno, with similar odds for slot machines, 5 out of 5 in Massachusetts wins $450; but of course "no one" probably ever pays taxes on it (under $600 is not reportable, but technically you still owe taxes on it). They (the state) even has a section in
    the lottery rules stating that it's the responsibility of the player to declare the non-reportable "winnings" on their tax returns.

    Maybe the casinos are complying with the "going after" all the "little money out there" even though McCarthy has supposedly blocked the attempt by the Democrats to hire the 10,000 extra IRS agents. Ya, know, the casinos have things set-up for taxing
    the low-level money in anticipation of the new tax-attitude.

    The exact truth is you are responsible for putting any income on your taxes that'd increase the level of the tax you pay. So, if you found as little as $1 on the ground...and that single $1 bill was enough to move your taxes because you were already $1
    away from the next tax level, you'd have to report it. Rather than cut spending on illegals or quit foreign aid or enforce taxes on billionaires and their layered shell companies like what the Biden's are doing, Biden wants to come milk every single
    dollar he thinks he can get out of you. After all, you will own nothing and be happy.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Travel on Sun Jul 30 14:21:07 2023
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 6:05:32 PM UTC-4, Mossingen wrote:
    "BillB" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "jack roth" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

    Yes, and I also have one of those commemorative card protectors they handed
    out to commemorate the biggest field in the Main. It's very nice...only
    cost me $10k!

    I've never understood card protectors. Everyone has chips at the table...use one of them. I recall when the pink haired cunt who used to chat in this group tried to give me some heavy metal slug as a card protector and I politely refused. She seemed so insulted. Truth is I just didn't want it weighing down my shorts pocket.
    ______


    I never use card protectors. I always hold my cards in my hand, protecting
    all four sides. I have seen idiots throw cards to muck and they slide right
    under a live hand with a card protector on it, and dealers who muck cards
    even with chips on them. Much better to just hold them in your own hand and
    protect them from everything.

    You can get the ideal card protector for $2:
    https://tinyurl.com/459xcxue
    _______


    Excellent, except I'd like it in chartreuse.
    .

    Wonder if all this with the W2s for low-level "wins" has anything to do with Biden's plan to hire 10,000 more
    IRS auditors, etc. The Democrats "going after" the under the radar money and tax it.

    No. The reason was openly stated. Only right-wing sites and right-wing politicians (Republicans) twisted it
    for their viewers. (Lied to them, like Fox admits they do).

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/02/irs-working-to-boost-audit-rates-for-higher-earners.html

    .


    In Keno, with similar odds for slot machines, 5 out of 5 in Massachusetts wins $450; but of course "no one" probably ever pays taxes on it (under $600 is not reportable, but technically you still owe taxes on it). They (the state) even has a section in
    the lottery rules stating that it's the responsibility of the player to declare the non-reportable "winnings" on their tax returns.

    Maybe the casinos are complying with the "going after" all the "little money out there" even though McCarthy
    has supposedly blocked the attempt by the Democrats to hire the 10,000 extra IRS agents.
    .

    "Supposedly?" What right wing news group you watching?
    .
    .


    Ya, know, the casinos have things set-up for taxing the low-level money in anticipation of the new tax-attitude.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sun Jul 30 14:25:06 2023
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:49:31 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 6:05:32 PM UTC-4, Mossingen wrote:
    "BillB" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 5:21:15 PM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:
    "jack roth" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-7, Mossingen wrote:

    Yes, and I also have one of those commemorative card protectors they handed
    out to commemorate the biggest field in the Main. It's very nice...only
    cost me $10k!

    I've never understood card protectors. Everyone has chips at the table...use one of them. I recall when the pink haired cunt who used to
    chat in this group tried to give me some heavy metal slug as a card protector and I politely refused. She seemed so insulted. Truth is I just didn't want it weighing down my shorts pocket.
    ______


    I never use card protectors. I always hold my cards in my hand, protecting
    all four sides. I have seen idiots throw cards to muck and they slide right
    under a live hand with a card protector on it, and dealers who muck cards
    even with chips on them. Much better to just hold them in your own hand
    and
    protect them from everything.

    You can get the ideal card protector for $2: https://tinyurl.com/459xcxue
    _______


    Excellent, except I'd like it in chartreuse.
    Wonder if all this with the W2s for low-level "wins" has anything to do with Biden's plan to hire 10,000 more IRS auditors, etc. The Democrats "going after" the under the radar money and tax it.

    In Keno, with similar odds for slot machines, 5 out of 5 in Massachusetts wins $450; but of course "no one" probably ever pays taxes on it (under $600 is not reportable, but technically you still owe taxes on it). They (the state) even has a section
    in the lottery rules stating that it's the responsibility of the player to declare the non-reportable "winnings" on their tax returns.

    Maybe the casinos are complying with the "going after" all the "little money out there" even though McCarthy has supposedly blocked the attempt by the Democrats to hire the 10,000 extra IRS agents. Ya, know, the casinos have things set-up for taxing
    the low-level money in anticipation of the new tax-attitude.
    .

    The exact truth is you are responsible for putting any income on your taxes that'd increase the level of the tax you pay.
    So, if you found as little as $1 on the ground...and that single $1 bill was enough to move your taxes because you were
    already $1 away from the next tax level, you'd have to report it. Rather than cut spending on illegals or quit foreign aid
    or enforce taxes on billionaires and their layered shell companies like what the Biden's are doing,
    .

    And we KNOW what lying right wing group feeds you that bullshit. Because I always run you off with.

    *** Then you should have no trouble showing us. ***

    .
    Biden wants to come milk every single dollar he thinks he can get out of you. After all, you will own nothing and be happy.

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