Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:41:30 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bksI'm not depressed. I'm as happy as a clam, knowing that you will be living on the streets in a cardboard box. It makes me feel good. I hate your guts.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:41:30 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
I'm not depressed. I'm as happy as a clam, knowing that you will be
living on the streets in a cardboard box. It makes me feel good. I
hate your guts.
A nice cardboard box, with shrubbery!
--bks
Inflation down to 3%
Paul Popinjay <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:41:30 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
I'm not depressed. I'm as happy as a clam, knowing that you will beA nice cardboard box, with shrubbery!
living on the streets in a cardboard box. It makes me feel good. I
hate your guts.
--bks
The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
...
jack roth wrote:
...
LOL at "eventually".
Predicting the future is hard, but right now wages are up,
inflation is low, and unemployment is at record lows.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:24:24 AM UTC-3, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
jack roth wrote:
...
LOL at "eventually".
Predicting the future is hard, but right now wages are up,
inflation is low, and unemployment is at record lows.
Chuckle at "right now".
You sound jerryfied.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme going on by
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the big banks who
3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite possibly
Nobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
...
LOL at "eventually".
Predicting the future is hard, but right now wages are up,
inflation is low, and unemployment is at record lows. Sorry
that reality is causing your heads to explode, but facts
are facts.
--bks
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme going on by
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the big banks who
trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite possibly
Nobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme going on by
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the big banks
trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite possibly
everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments at otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat
Predicting the future is hard, but right now wages are up,
inflation is low,
Ok, bullshit. REAL wages are lower than they were before the pandemic.
Inflation is in no way low.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme going on by
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the big banks
trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite possibly
everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments at otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Nobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.It was so much better when we thought you were in Mexico, being held by the cartels. Of course, even they wouldn't want you.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.99.75
On July 13, jack roth wrote:
With real leadership, we'd have Zimbabwe level wages, the highestPredicting the future is hard, but right now wages are up,Ok, bullshit. REAL wages are lower than they were before the pandemic.
inflation is low,
in the world -
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/new-currency-new-hope-for-zimbabwe/
Inflation is in no way low.Not so, prices have rolled back to 2020 levels, thanks to Bidenomunism,
have they not? Inflation is cured!
--
Rich
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme going on by
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97. 2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the big banksThe Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite possibly
everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments at otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat
Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme going on
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the big
possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite
everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments at otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat
Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn your lesson,
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme going on
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the big
possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite
everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments at otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat
lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn your
Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme going on
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the big
possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite
everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments at otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat
lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn your
Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme going on
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the big
possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite
everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments at otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat
lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn your
new taxes account for way more money than any wage increases. That's why everyone is feeling pretty broke....because they are.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.Oh, and if you also claimed inflation is low, you are totally full of shit. You see, new taxes are worse than inflation(as a canadian you should know that already) and don't even count on the inflation stats. So, even if inflation is zero, all these
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme going on
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the big
possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite
everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments at otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat
lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn your
Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:24:24 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
...
LOL at "eventually".
Predicting the future is hard, but right now wages are up,
inflation is low, and unemployment is at record lows. Sorry
that reality is causing your heads to explode, but facts
are facts.
--bksOk, bullshit. REAL wages are lower than they were before the pandemic.
Inflation is in no way low. The inflation number is contrived and re-jiggered and massaged constantly to meet their desired number. You can go see for yourself on shadowstats. Furthermore, the inflation that matters to poor people is out of control. Theunemployment numbers are outright fake When you lose a bunch of high paid people but then gain some min wage workers THAT is not a good job market. You literally know nothing about economics.
If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million.
Your statement is internally inconsistent. On the one hand you acknowledge that taxes and inflation are two different things when you say "new taxes are worse than inflation," yet you try to conflate them when you say "if you also claimed inflation islow, you are totally full of shit." Taxes and inflation are two different things. You can have low inflation at the same time you have tax increases. Right now the CPI is 3%. That's below the post-WWII average and pretty low compared the Trump inflation
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Ok, bullshit. REAL wages are lower than they were before the pandemic.
Then you should have no trouble showing us. Or linking to your bullshit conspiracy site.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million.If I "invested" in gold, I have real money. If I invest in Apple, I have fake money.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now haveabout $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the
beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million.
If I "invested" in gold, I have real money. If I invest in Apple, I
have fake money.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:49:36 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
So you'd rather have $68,000 in gold bars than $6.6 million in Apple stock? That makes you a certified idiot.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million.If I "invested" in gold, I have real money. If I invest in Apple, I have fake money.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:27 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:big banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the
possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and quite
beat everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments atNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold
lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn your
out there since 2000" is a wee bit of an exaggeration. You knew in 2000 that big tech was going to be huger than it already was, right? Every hotshot investor did. But you bet on a hunk of metal instead of 'Merica? Shame on you.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million. Somewhat better. So your claim that gold "has been the best investment
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:big banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:27 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the
quite possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and
beat everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments atNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold
your lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn
out there since 2000" is a wee bit of an exaggeration. You knew in 2000 that big tech was going to be huger than it already was, right? Every hotshot investor did. But you bet on a hunk of metal instead of 'Merica? Shame on you.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million. Somewhat better. So your claim that gold "has been the best investment
You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock. And, YOU yourself was talking the indexes....sp500, etc. So quit moving the goal posts. Heck, I can show you mining stocks that went 1000x. If you bought bitcoin early enough, you'dmake a lot more than apple. See how easy it is to move goal posts, you moron.
Paul Popinjay <[email protected]> wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have >about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at thebeginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million.
If I "invested" in gold, I have real money. If I invest in Apple, ITry spending gold at Safeway. They prefer plastic.
have fake money.
--bks
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:36:06 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Ok, bullshit. REAL wages are lower than they were before the pandemic.
Then you should have no trouble showing us. Or linking to your bullshit conspiracy site.Real weekly earnings are still down *very slightly* since just before the pandemic, which were the highest since forever. I really don't understand what all the whining is about.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:50:00 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:CPI. So, when government keeps jacking up your taxes...like CA is sure as hell doing constantly, they act like it's not inflation.
On July 13, jack roth wrote:
With real leadership, we'd have Zimbabwe level wages, the highestPredicting the future is hard, but right now wages are up,Ok, bullshit. REAL wages are lower than they were before the pandemic.
inflation is low,
in the world -
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/new-currency-new-hope-for-zimbabwe/
Inflation is in no way low.Not so, prices have rolled back to 2020 levels, thanks to Bidenomunism, have they not? Inflation is cured!
--Tell me what prices have rolled back? Certainly not car prices. Certainly not healthcare. Certainly not any food or utility prices. Housing in many markets is still in a bubble. Even a worse crime that I left out is that taxes aren't accounted for in
Rich
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:the big banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:27 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via
quite possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and
Gold beat everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000,
your lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn
investment out there since 2000" is a wee bit of an exaggeration. You knew in 2000 that big tech was going to be huger than it already was, right? Every hotshot investor did. But you bet on a hunk of metal instead of 'Merica? Shame on you.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million. Somewhat better. So your claim that gold "has been the best
make a lot more than apple. See how easy it is to move goal posts, you moron.You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock. And, YOU yourself was talking the indexes....sp500, etc. So quit moving the goal posts. Heck, I can show you mining stocks that went 1000x. If you bought bitcoin early enough, you'd
I didn't say anything about the S&P 500. You just made that up. The only index I talked about was the US Dollar Index, and that was only to correct Popinjay's claim that it is at the lowest level he could ever remember (and this is a guy who canremember poker hands he played in the '70s).
But what YOU said is, "It's a fact gold has been the best investment out there since 2000." That's very clearly makes you the moron, not me. And Apple isn't some obscure penny stock that blew up. It is a tech giant that was SCREAMING at you to buy itin the early 2000s. But like an idiot you went and bought a hunk of metal instead. LOLOL You realize that makes you even dumber than Forrest Gump, right?
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:41:23 AM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:CPI. So, when government keeps jacking up your taxes...like CA is sure as hell doing constantly, they act like it's not inflation.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:50:00 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
On July 13, jack roth wrote:
With real leadership, we'd have Zimbabwe level wages, the highestPredicting the future is hard, but right now wages are up,Ok, bullshit. REAL wages are lower than they were before the pandemic.
inflation is low,
in the world -
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/new-currency-new-hope-for-zimbabwe/
Inflation is in no way low.Not so, prices have rolled back to 2020 levels, thanks to Bidenomunism, have they not? Inflation is cured!
--Tell me what prices have rolled back? Certainly not car prices. Certainly not healthcare. Certainly not any food or utility prices. Housing in many markets is still in a bubble. Even a worse crime that I left out is that taxes aren't accounted for in
Rich
The prices for the animal feed that I buy dropped 5% this week, after rising for a couple of years.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:the big banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:27 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via
quite possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and
Gold beat everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000,
your lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn
investment out there since 2000" is a wee bit of an exaggeration. You knew in 2000 that big tech was going to be huger than it already was, right? Every hotshot investor did. But you bet on a hunk of metal instead of 'Merica? Shame on you.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million. Somewhat better. So your claim that gold "has been the best
d make a lot more than apple. See how easy it is to move goal posts, you moron.You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock. And, YOU yourself was talking the indexes....sp500, etc. So quit moving the goal posts. Heck, I can show you mining stocks that went 1000x. If you bought bitcoin early enough, you'
remember poker hands he played in the '70s).I didn't say anything about the S&P 500. You just made that up. The only index I talked about was the US Dollar Index, and that was only to correct Popinjay's claim that it is at the lowest level he could ever remember (and this is a guy who can
in the early 2000s. But like an idiot you went and bought a hunk of metal instead. LOLOL You realize that makes you even dumber than Forrest Gump, right?But what YOU said is, "It's a fact gold has been the best investment out there since 2000." That's very clearly makes you the moron, not me. And Apple isn't some obscure penny stock that blew up. It is a tech giant that was SCREAMING at you to buy it
Yes, and Gold IS the best investment because precisely nobody is insane enough to put 100% of their investment on a volatile stock....and even if they do have magnificent gains, nobody holds it all and sells at the exact peak you moron. Furthermore, Ifyou want to throw down aapl as your moron example, I can just as easily bring up a number of stocks that have had crazy gains, too....or we could sit here and all go off the deep end and talk about how we'd all own the world had we only got into bitcoin
Yes, and Gold IS the best investment because precisely nobody is insane enough to put 100% of theirIf you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat everything including any index in the stock market.
investment on a volatile stock
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:36:06 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:.
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Ok, bullshit. REAL wages are lower than they were before the pandemic.
Then you should have no trouble showing us. Or linking to your bullshit conspiracy site.Real weekly earnings are still down *very slightly* since just before the pandemic, which were the highest since forever. I really don't understand what all the whining is about.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:54:43 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:36:06 AM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Ok, bullshit. REAL wages are lower than they were before the pandemic.
Ok, you are full on lying right now...when does your timeframe begin, because it's sure as hell not "forever". 1973 has higher real wages .Then you should have no trouble showing us. Or linking to your bullshit conspiracy site.Real weekly earnings are still down *very slightly* since just before the pandemic, which were the highest since forever. I really don't understand what all the whining is about.
And, BTW, ONCE AGAIN that doesn't factor in all the new taxes which just destroy those current real wages.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:big banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:27 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via the
quite possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and
beat everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and other iinvestments atNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold
your lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn
out there since 2000" is a wee bit of an exaggeration. You knew in 2000 that big tech was going to be huger than it already was, right? Every hotshot investor did. But you bet on a hunk of metal instead of 'Merica? Shame on you.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million. Somewhat better. So your claim that gold "has been the best investment
You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.
And, YOU yourself was talking the indexes....sp500, etc. So quit moving the goal posts. Heck, I can show you mining stocks that went 1000x. If you bought bitcoin early enough, you'd make a lot more than apple. See how easy it is to move goal posts, youmoron.
Ok, you are full on lying right now...when does your timeframe begin, because it's sure as hell not "forever". 1973 has higher real wages . And, BTW, ONCE AGAIN that doesn't factor in all the new taxes which just destroy those current real wages, soyour argument about real wages is meanin gless.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:the big banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:27 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via
quite possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and
Gold beat everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000,
your lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn
investment out there since 2000" is a wee bit of an exaggeration. You knew in 2000 that big tech was going to be huger than it already was, right? Every hotshot investor did. But you bet on a hunk of metal instead of 'Merica? Shame on you.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million. Somewhat better. So your claim that gold "has been the best
.
You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:54:46 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:via the big banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:27 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities
and quite possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA
Gold beat everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000,
learn your lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to
investment out there since 2000" is a wee bit of an exaggeration. You knew in 2000 that big tech was going to be huger than it already was, right? Every hotshot investor did. But you bet on a hunk of metal instead of 'Merica? Shame on you.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million. Somewhat better. So your claim that gold "has been the best
you'd make a lot more than apple. See how easy it is to move goal posts, you moron.You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock. And, YOU yourself was talking the indexes....sp500, etc. So quit moving the goal posts. Heck, I can show you mining stocks that went 1000x. If you bought bitcoin early enough,
remember poker hands he played in the '70s).I didn't say anything about the S&P 500. You just made that up. The only index I talked about was the US Dollar Index, and that was only to correct Popinjay's claim that it is at the lowest level he could ever remember (and this is a guy who can
it in the early 2000s. But like an idiot you went and bought a hunk of metal instead. LOLOL You realize that makes you even dumber than Forrest Gump, right?But what YOU said is, "It's a fact gold has been the best investment out there since 2000." That's very clearly makes you the moron, not me. And Apple isn't some obscure penny stock that blew up. It is a tech giant that was SCREAMING at you to buy
If you want to throw down aapl as your moron example, I can just as easily bring up a number of stocks that have had crazy gains, too....or we could sit here and all go off the deep end and talk about how we'd all own the world had we only got intoYes, and Gold IS the best investment because precisely nobody is insane enough to put 100% of their investment on a volatile stock....and even if they do have magnificent gains, nobody holds it all and sells at the exact peak you moron. Furthermore,
You don't know what you are talking about...
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:56:32 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Paul Popinjay <[email protected]> wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:Try spending gold at Safeway. They prefer plastic.
If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now haveabout $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the
beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million.
If I "invested" in gold, I have real money. If I invest in Apple, I
have fake money.
Hey dumbass, you can get plastic credit cards backed by your physical
gold on deposit. so, ya, you can have gold and use it easily.
On July 14, jack roth wrote:--
let's look at the numbers.Yes, and Gold IS the best investment because precisely nobody is insane enough to put 100% of theirIf you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat everything including any index in the stock market.
investment on a volatile stock
S&P 500:
https://www.slickcharts.com/sp500/returns
Since 2001, 18 years up, 5 years down.
Net, an average +6% / year, which compounds.
So, $100 in 2001, at 6% / year, compounded over 23 years, total: $380
gold:
2001: $400 / oz
2023: $1950 / oz
$100 ==> $480
Gold wins.
BUT: a large portion of that run started in April 2020,
distorted by the COVID crisis. Thus not reliable, long term.
Rich
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 11:16:55 AM UTC-7, RichD wrote:for thousands of years. You can buy these days pretty much the same as you could buy in ancient Rome....so it matches inflation....it's great insurance and very reliable. Second, if you read my earlier posts, I pointed out the different seasons in
On July 14, jack roth wrote:
let's look at the numbers.Yes, and Gold IS the best investment because precisely nobody is insane enough to put 100% of theirIf you want to look at the best return since 2000, Gold beat everything including any index in the stock market.
investment on a volatile stock
S&P 500:
https://www.slickcharts.com/sp500/returns
Since 2001, 18 years up, 5 years down.
Net, an average +6% / year, which compounds.
So, $100 in 2001, at 6% / year, compounded over 23 years, total: $380
gold:
2001: $400 / oz
2023: $1950 / oz
$100 ==> $480
Gold wins.--
BUT: a large portion of that run started in April 2020,
distorted by the COVID crisis. Thus not reliable, long term.
Rich
Bullshit on two points. 1. Saying a large portion of the run started is april 2020 is fraudulent because literally everything tanked in 2020. Go from 2000-2019 and it was already winning. 2. Re reliable long term. First of all, gold has been reliable
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:the big banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression scheme
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:27 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities via
quite possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA and
Gold beat everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000,
your lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to learn
investment out there since 2000" is a wee bit of an exaggeration. You knew in 2000 that big tech was going to be huger than it already was, right? Every hotshot investor did. But you bet on a hunk of metal instead of 'Merica? Shame on you.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million. Somewhat better. So your claim that gold "has been the best
Motley Fool.
"The Oracle of Omaha believes that diversification is only necessary if you don't know what you're doing. Despite overseeing $347 billion in invested assets, approximately 89% of Warren Buffett's portfolio is concentrated in only 11 stocks." -- TheYou ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
Yet another "ignorant moron" who buys stock and holds it for decades. He should hire Jack as an investment advisor before he loses it all!.
You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
"The Oracle of Omaha believes that diversification is only necessary if you don't know what you're doing. Despite overseeing $347 billion in invested assets, approximately 89% of Warren Buffett's portfolio is concentrated in only 11 stocks." -- TheMotley Fool
Yet another "ignorant moron" who buys stock and holds it for decades. He should hire Jack as an investment advisor before he loses it all!
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:56:32 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> Paul Popinjay <[email protected]> wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:Try spending gold at Safeway. They prefer plastic.
If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have >> >about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at thebeginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million.
If I "invested" in gold, I have real money. If I invest in Apple, I
have fake money.
Hey dumbass, you can get plastic credit cards backed by your physicalOnly be converting it to fiat, as you admit. They will take a
gold on deposit. so, ya, you can have gold and use it easily.
$50 bill at Safeway, but not a krugerrand.
--bks
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:.
You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
So, let me get this straight.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:58 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:via the big banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:56:29 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:27 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities
and quite possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA
2000, Gold beat everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since
learn your lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to
investment out there since 2000" is a wee bit of an exaggeration. You knew in 2000 that big tech was going to be huger than it already was, right? Every hotshot investor did. But you bet on a hunk of metal instead of 'Merica? Shame on you.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million. Somewhat better. So your claim that gold "has been the best
Motley Fool.
"The Oracle of Omaha believes that diversification is only necessary if you don't know what you're doing. Despite overseeing $347 billion in invested assets, approximately 89% of Warren Buffett's portfolio is concentrated in only 11 stocks." -- TheYou ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
good money. If this stock failed for some reason, you still have a number of working years left to recover."Yet another "ignorant moron" who buys stock and holds it for decades. He should hire Jack as an investment advisor before he loses it all!.
Yea. I was about 5-years from retirement and I showed my CPA where this one stock was really doing good (this is in the 90's where everybody was making money in the marked). I asked if I should diversify, just to be safe. He said, "Why? You're making
.I stayed with it and made between 10 to 20%, all the way to retirement.
Ok, so you got fortunate on one stock...
had a couple guys confirm your bias until you felt comfortable
and caused you to risk your profit.
So, maybe...
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:56:29 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:via the big banks who own the Fed and need to protect fiat currencies. Problem for those banks and the Fed right now is if the commodity producing nations create a commodity backed currency, it'll be slowly be able to dismantle this price suppression
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:07:27 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:37:22 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 2:26:49 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 4:56:22 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 7:32:13 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 6:49:14 PM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
1. The DXY charts definitely say it's headed lower...next stop is 97.The Dollar Index is 100.54, I can't remember it being that low.It was lower than that for about 95% of the last 20 years. You might want to have your doctor check your medications.
2. DXY is just USD vs some currencies which is all relative. Now, what counts is all fiat currencies vs commodities like gold. And, via naked shorting and massive leverage our govt has been able to suppress prices of commodities
and quite possibly trying to corner certain industries including Weapons, semiconductors, and food so we'll have some leverage on the rest of the world when it comes to future trading for commodities.3. Furthermore, if everyone gets off the petrodollar, there will be a much smaller demand for USD on Forex which which was specifically what protected the USD after Nixon took us off the gold standard.
4. Eventually, commodities will become very expensive in USD and this will hurt the standard of living in the USA. The USA is trying to counter this right now by the the fastest ever onshoring of manufacturing back into the USA
Gold beat everything including any index in the stock market. 2. The truth is the market goes in four distinct cycles like seasons, so the most effective way to invest is to follow the cycles going in one type of investment at times and otherNobody is stopping you from betting your net worth against America. Go for it. Just keep in mind that strategy has a worse than dismal track record.That is a VERY ignorant way of looking at things for a number of reasons. 1. The entire lifetime of the market is a phony way to look at it since it's longer than anyone's time frame. If you want to look at the best return since 2000,
learn your lesson, Hoss.Seems like you are hitting the pipe a little hard today. I stated two facts. Both true.Your "facts" are meaningless and a patently ignorant way of viewing investing. BTW, if you think you are such a hotshot investor, set up one of those little online contests where we have competing portfolios. I'm totally game. Time to
investment out there since 2000" is a wee bit of an exaggeration. You knew in 2000 that big tech was going to be huger than it already was, right? Every hotshot investor did. But you bet on a hunk of metal instead of 'Merica? Shame on you.Facts don't "view investing." They are simply facts.
It's a fact gold has been the vest investment out there since 2000.If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now have about $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million. Somewhat better. So your claim that gold "has been the best
Motley Fool.
"The Oracle of Omaha believes that diversification is only necessary if you don't know what you're doing. Despite overseeing $347 billion in invested assets, approximately 89% of Warren Buffett's portfolio is concentrated in only 11 stocks." -- TheYou ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
good money. If this stock failed for some reason, you still have a number of working years left to recover."Yet another "ignorant moron" who buys stock and holds it for decades. He should hire Jack as an investment advisor before he loses it all!.
Yea. I was about 5-years from retirement and I showed my CPA where this one stock was really doing good (this is in the 90's where everybody was making money in the marked). I asked if I should diversify, just to be safe. He said, "Why? You're making
I stayed with it and made between 10 to 20%, all the way to retirement.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 1:11:15 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:.
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:56:32 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> Paul Popinjay <[email protected]> wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:18:13 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:Try spending gold at Safeway. They prefer plastic.
If you invested $10,000 in gold at the beginning of 2000 you now haveabout $68,000. Not bad. If you invested $10,000 in Apple at the
beginning of 2003 you now about $6.6 million.
If I "invested" in gold, I have real money. If I invest in Apple, I
have fake money.
Hey dumbass, you can get plastic credit cards backed by your physical >gold on deposit. so, ya, you can have gold and use it easily.Only be converting it to fiat, as you admit. They will take a
$50 bill at Safeway, but not a krugerrand.
--bksDon't be stupid. Safeway isn't holding onto fiat either. They are converting it to many things....more food for example...perhaps some of their employees are converting their fiat paychecks to gold.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
So, let me get this straight. You think salesmen(brokers) and bean counters(CPAs) somehow nothing anything about investing. That's rich.You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:54:40 AM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:in CPI. So, when government keeps jacking up your taxes...like CA is sure as hell doing constantly, they act like it's not inflation.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:41:23 AM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 5:50:00 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
On July 13, jack roth wrote:
With real leadership, we'd have Zimbabwe level wages, the highestPredicting the future is hard, but right now wages are up, inflation is low,Ok, bullshit. REAL wages are lower than they were before the pandemic.
in the world -
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/new-currency-new-hope-for-zimbabwe/
Inflation is in no way low.Not so, prices have rolled back to 2020 levels, thanks to Bidenomunism,
have they not? Inflation is cured!
--Tell me what prices have rolled back? Certainly not car prices. Certainly not healthcare. Certainly not any food or utility prices. Housing in many markets is still in a bubble. Even a worse crime that I left out is that taxes aren't accounted for
Rich
being that feed is a commodity, there are different weather events that can cause a bumper crop one year lowering price and maybe drought the next year raising the price. The price change alone you are spewing about isn't enough information to tell usThe prices for the animal feed that I buy dropped 5% this week, after rising for a couple of years.Could be a lot of reasons for that....it's called the free market...sometimes they bring in a new cheaper brand...sometimes they drop the price 5% and then sell you a smaller size...called shrinkflation...happening in all grocery stores right now. Or,
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 8:04:33 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:I talked with quite a number over the years. When it came down to it, most didn't even understand compound interest.
So, let me get this straight. You think salesmen(brokers) and bean counters(CPAs) somehow nothing anything about investing. That's rich.You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 8:04:33 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:I talked with quite a number over the years. When it came down to it, most didn't even understand compound interest.
So, let me get this straight. You think salesmen(brokers) and bean counters(CPAs) somehow nothing anything about investing. That's rich.You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 6:43:23 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post factoLaw, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.
WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
"No State shall ... emit Bills of Credit;
or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, "
On July 14, Paul Popinjay wrote:
"No State shall ... emit Bills of Credit;
They can't issue bonds to pay for their make work projects?
or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, "Can the federal gummit impair the the obligation of contracts?
i.e. cancel welfare bums obligations? er I mean student debts -
On 7/14/2023 2:39 PM, VegasJerry wrote:.
On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
You ignorant moron, precisely nobody puts it all on a single stock.
WHA! HA~Ha!. I did, you fucking moron, and on advice of my broker and CPA.
Prove it!
[All $100?]
Liar, liar ... no pants ... no play
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 11:59:03 AM UTC-7, RichD wrote:work arounds. So, in the case student debts, the Supremes denied Biden's first attempt at canceling debt because it was so large. So, Biden then canceled a smaller amount of debt and is floating that balloon to see if they go back to court and once again
On July 14, Paul Popinjay wrote:
"No State shall ... emit Bills of Credit;
They can't issue bonds to pay for their make work projects?It hasn't mattered for a while what the constitution says. The Deep State types have long been claiming the Constitution is archaic and always wanted to discredit it as law because it ties their hands.
Congress can since they hold the purse strings. Biden absolutely can't, but he is because the Supreme Court itself is corrupted and as govt employees always tries to make the most narrow and limited decision possible that leave an infinite number ofor Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, "Can the federal gummit impair the the obligation of contracts?
i.e. cancel welfare bums obligations? er I mean student debts -
let's look at the numbers.
S&P 500:
https://www.slickcharts.com/sp500/returns
Since 2001, 18 years up, 5 years down.
Net, an average +6% / year, which compounds.
So, $100 in 2001, at 6% / year, compounded over 23 years, total: $380
gold:
2001: $400 / oz
2023: $1950 / oz
$100 ==> $480
Gold wins.
BUT: a large portion of that run started in April 2020,
distorted by the COVID crisis. Thus not reliable, long term.
Saying a large portion of the run started is april 2020 is fraudulent because literally everything tanked in 2020. Go from 2000-2019 and it was already winning
First of all, gold has been reliable for thousands of years.
You can buy these days pretty much the same as you could buy in ancient Rome...
On July 14, jack roth wrote:
let's look at the numbers.
S&P 500:
https://www.slickcharts.com/sp500/returns
Since 2001, 18 years up, 5 years down.
Net, an average +6% / year, which compounds.
So, $100 in 2001, at 6% / year, compounded over 23 years, total: $380
gold:
2001: $400 / oz
2023: $1950 / oz
$100 ==> $480
Gold wins.
BUT: a large portion of that run started in April 2020,
distorted by the COVID crisis. Thus not reliable, long term.
Saying a large portion of the run started is april 2020 is fraudulent becauseYou're confused. Gold zoomed UP in 2020. "everything tanked
literally everything tanked in 2020. Go from 2000-2019 and it was already winning
in 2020" includes S&P 500. That means stocks did relatively
WORSE the last 3 years. Which means 2000 - 2019, stocks performed
BETTER than gold, relatively, than 2001 - 2023.
First of all, gold has been reliable for thousands of years.That statement is in a class by itself -
You can buy these days pretty much the same as you could buy in ancient Rome...
Anyway, let's look at the performance of gold, since 1789: https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/historic_gold_prices_1833_pres.pdf.
1789: $20 / oz.
Today: $1900 / oz.
Return on "investment": 95x
What about a dollar? That goes in a bank, collects interest.
Historical interest rates: https://advisor.visualcapitalist.com/us-interest-rates/
hmmm, looks like 3 - 4%
Thus, $1, for 220 years, compounded @ 3%: $660
Return on investment: 660x
Another one bites the dust!
And stock market returns are even higher -
--
Rich
Anyway, let's look at the performance of gold, since 1789: https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/historic_gold_prices_1833_pres.pdf
1789: $20 / oz.
Today: $1900 / oz.
Return on "investment": 95x
What about a dollar? That goes in a bank, collects interest.
Historical interest rates: https://advisor.visualcapitalist.com/us-interest-rates/
hmmm, looks like 3 - 4%
Thus, $1, for 220 years, compounded @ 3%: $660
Return on investment: 660x
-- > Rich
in 2020" includes S&P 500. That means stocks did relatively
WORSE the last 3 years. Which means 2000 - 2019, stocks performed
BETTER than gold, relatively, than 2001 - 2023.
Rich
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:53:44 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
On July 14, jack roth wrote:
let's look at the numbers.
S&P 500:
https://www.slickcharts.com/sp500/returns
Since 2001, 18 years up, 5 years down.
Net, an average +6% / year, which compounds.
So, $100 in 2001, at 6% / year, compounded over 23 years, total: $380 >> gold:
2001: $400 / oz
2023: $1950 / oz
$100 ==> $480
Gold wins.
BUT: a large portion of that run started in April 2020,
distorted by the COVID crisis. Thus not reliable, long term.
Saying a large portion of the run started is april 2020 is fraudulent becauseYou're confused. Gold zoomed UP in 2020. "everything tanked
literally everything tanked in 2020. Go from 2000-2019 and it was already winning
in 2020" includes S&P 500. That means stocks did relatively
WORSE the last 3 years. Which means 2000 - 2019, stocks performed
BETTER than gold, relatively, than 2001 - 2023.
First of all, gold has been reliable for thousands of years.That statement is in a class by itself -
You can buy these days pretty much the same as you could buy in ancient Rome...
.Anyway, let's look at the performance of gold, since 1789: https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/historic_gold_prices_1833_pres.pdf
1789: $20 / oz.
Today: $1900 / oz.
Return on "investment": 95x
What about a dollar? That goes in a bank, collects interest.
Historical interest rates: https://advisor.visualcapitalist.com/us-interest-rates/
hmmm, looks like 3 - 4%
Thus, $1, for 220 years, compounded @ 3%: $660
Return on investment: 660x
Another one bites the dust!
And stock market returns are even higher -
--.
Rich
*** IOW. Jack Froth-at-the-mouth joins Dull Pickle and runs away.... ***
LOL!
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:53:44 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:confederate script back then...Plus, banks got robbed and you lost your money....banks failed back then and you lost your money.
Anyway, let's look at the performance of gold, since 1789: https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/historic_gold_prices_1833_pres.pdf
1789: $20 / oz.
Today: $1900 / oz.
Return on "investment": 95x
What about a dollar? That goes in a bank, collects interest.
Historical interest rates: https://advisor.visualcapitalist.com/us-interest-rates/
hmmm, looks like 3 - 4%
Thus, $1, for 220 years, compounded @ 3%: $660
Return on investment: 660x
-- > Rich
This one is so stupid it's almost not worth responding, but I'll give it a try.
1. There was no inflation for many many years....Gold was specifically valued at $20 for a very long time. It was money. It was safety.
2. Banks- You are a moron if you think banks were paying 3% for 220 years. First off, banks weren't insured for most of that time...the banknotes they issues were often worthless. Gold and silver were the only thing of value. Imagine all that
3. As I've said repeatedly now, but you people never seem to listen. I wouldn't hold gold or any investment for 220years. I also wouldn't hold only gold either. Economy goes in cycles. In the history of the united states there have been many booms andbust times. You need to anticipate what cycle you are entering and adult your investments accordingly. Right now, we're entering recession and a commodity cycle that many thing is a super commodity cycle. Additionally, there is a lot of currency risk and
By all means, I hope you morons stay invested in your one single stock. See ya in a couple years and tell me how it's working out for ya..
|
| Markets Appear Convinced the Fed Can Pull Off a Soft Landing
|
| Stocks surged this past week on evidence that inflation is
| cooling
| ... <https://www.wsj.com/articles/markets-appear-convinced-the-fed-can-pull-off-a-soft-landing-700a40dd>
--bks
| Markets Appear Convinced the Fed Can Pull Off a Soft Landing
|
| Stocks surged this past week on evidence that inflation is
| cooling
|
| Pay Raises Are Finally Beating Inflation After Two Years of
| Falling Behind
|
| Wages rise more than 4% while consumer prices increase 3%
| ... <https://www.wsj.com/articles/pay-raises-are-finally-beating-inflation-after-two-years-of-falling-behind-3e89bc2d>
--bks
I present facts from the right-wing Wall Street Journal.
| Markets Appear Convinced the Fed Can Pull Off a Soft Landing
|
| Stocks surged this past week on evidence that inflation is
| cooling
| Markets Appear Convinced the Fed Can Pull Off a Soft Landing
| Pay Raises Are Finally Beating Inflation After Two Years of
| Falling Behind
More outright stupidity because
...
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
I present facts from the right-wing Wall Street Journal.
So, you present main street media. Fuck you.
...
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
I present facts from the right-wing Wall Street Journal.
So, you present main street media. Fuck you.
...
Where do you get your facts? The fillings in your teeth?
Anyway, let's look at the performance of gold, since 1789:
https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/historic_gold_prices_1833_pres.pdf
1789: $20 / oz.
Today: $1900 / oz.
Return on "investment": 95x
What about a dollar? That goes in a bank, collects interest.
Historical interest rates:
https://advisor.visualcapitalist.com/us-interest-rates/
Thus, $1, for 220 years, compounded @ 3%: $660
Return on investment: 660x
1. There was no inflation for many many years....Gold was specifically valued at $20 for a very long time.
It was money. It was safety.
On July 15, jack roth wrote:
Anyway, let's look at the performance of gold, since 1789:
https://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/historic_gold_prices_1833_pres.pdf
1789: $20 / oz.
Today: $1900 / oz.
Return on "investment": 95x
What about a dollar? That goes in a bank, collects interest.
Historical interest rates:
https://advisor.visualcapitalist.com/us-interest-rates/
Thus, $1, for 220 years, compounded @ 3%: $660
Return on investment: 660x
1. There was no inflation for many many years....Gold was specifically valued at $20 for a very long time.Let's go back to 1913, the formation of the Federal Reserve, the counterfeiters who sewered the dollar, the cause of massive inflation
It was money. It was safety.
for a century. The smart money at that time - guys like you - plowed
into gold, for SAFETY and REAL MONEY.
Gold price, 1913: $19 / oz.
$100 buys 5 oz.
gold price, 2023: $1900 / oz.
So, $100 ==> $9500, 1913 ... 2023
I found the ideal source for this debate: https://www.officialdata.org/us/stocks/s-p-500/1913
Plug in any 2 years, it calculates the S&P 500 return.
$100 S&P 500 ==> $3.8 MILLION, 1913 ... 2023
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
oh shit, I busted two ribs -
--
Rich
|1. This is utterly stupid. The only reason bank account went up in the first place was the rent moratorium when everyone was robbing the landlords for a couple years.
| Despite a year when inflation pushed prices to new heights,
| Americans are still better off now than before the
| pandemic, with nearly 10 to 15 percent more in their bank
| accounts than in 2019, new checking and savings account
| data shows.
| ... <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/07/17/bank-accounts-excess-cash-savings/>
--bks
|1. This is utterly stupid.
| Despite a year when inflation pushed prices to new heights,
| Americans are still better off now than before the
| pandemic, with nearly 10 to 15 percent more in their bank
| accounts than in 2019, new checking and savings account
| data shows.
| ...
...
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
|1. This is utterly stupid.
| Despite a year when inflation pushed prices to new heights,
| Americans are still better off now than before the
| pandemic, with nearly 10 to 15 percent more in their bank
| accounts than in 2019, new checking and savings account
| data shows.
| ...
...
Sure, Jack, if you say so.
--bks
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 8:05:56 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:.
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
I present facts from the right-wing Wall Street Journal.
So, you present main street media. Fuck you.
...
Where do you get your facts? The fillings in your teeth?
Certainly not some lame main street media source like WSJ. Duh. Now, dumbass, I've already listed one of the sources previously. Being that your "source" is WSJ indicates to me you are too lazy to look too hard and/or even learn a single thing in life,so I'm notta waste my time giving you a presentation. May I suggest you start googling topics, learning the different sources and the people who matter in the industry. But just a single example for a complete ignorant dumbfuck like you, I'll mention ST
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 11:42:20 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:.
|
| Despite a year when inflation pushed prices to new heights,
| Americans are still better off now than before the
| pandemic, with nearly 10 to 15 percent more in their bank
| accounts than in 2019, new checking and savings account
| data shows.
| ... <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/07/17/bank-accounts-excess-cash-savings/>
--bks1. This is utterly stupid.
2. This article needs to be updated, because there is current data out there that American savings rates has now gone to shit right when they suddenly have to start paying for rent again,....and(checks notes)...school loans again...and don't forgetborrow rates are now through the roof.
It's like I'm explaining this to children.
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:13:51 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:.
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
|1. This is utterly stupid.
| Despite a year when inflation pushed prices to new heights,
| Americans are still better off now than before the
| pandemic, with nearly 10 to 15 percent more in their bank
| accounts than in 2019, new checking and savings account
| data shows.
| ...
...
Sure, Jack, if you say so.
--bksDon't believe me .
There was no inflation for many many years....Gold was specifically valued >>> at $20 for a very long time. It was money. It was safety.
Let's go back to 1913, the formation of the Federal Reserve, the
counterfeiters who sewered the dollar, the cause of massive inflation
for a century. The smart money at that time - guys like you - plowed
into gold, for SAFETY and REAL MONEY.
Also, there were smart millionaires back in 1913...
You'd think one of them would have put a single million into an sp500
for his descendants and have over $3Trillion now, right? Notice how it doesn't
work out that way? There are multiple reasons why....bet you can't figure them out.
What about a dollar? That goes in a bank, collects interest.
Historical interest rates:
https://advisor.visualcapitalist.com/us-interest-rates/
Thus, $1, for 220 years, compounded @ 3%: $660
Return on investment: 660x
There was no inflation for many many years....Gold was specifically valued >>> at $20 for a very long time. It was money. It was safety.
Let's go back to 1913, the formation of the Federal Reserve, the
counterfeiters who sewered the dollar, the cause of massive inflation
for a century. The smart money at that time - guys like you - plowed
into gold, for SAFETY and REAL MONEY.
Here's what you mental midget left out. I never once said you should always hold
and only hold gold. At this point, I've repeatedly posted the market goes in cycles.
I wonder how much you could have made in the SP500 if you hopped into Gold during
it's negative years, eh?
That's what wealth IS, the definition: something you consume.
Which isn't yellow metal and bank statements. And we place
different values on different forms of wealth. If it's never
consumed, it's worthless.
+
So those rich folks cashed out, to buy Cadillacs and ski
condos. While the nitwits and nut jobs, living in a log
cabin, drool over their gold chests... "I have REAL MONEY,
it's SAFE, the world is going to end tomorrow, I'll survive!"
You don't grok long term average, long term vs. short term?
So, what I ought to do, every January, figure if the market will be up
or down that year, and buy/sell accordingly? Brilliant! How come
nobody ever thought of that? You're positively the reincarnation of Aristotle.
You claim to be a pokerista, and you don't grok EV, and the reality
of fluctuations? Like, no one can make a living at poker, there are
no pros, since occasionally they have a bad day.
Where do you play? This information might be profitable.
Gold, 1913 ... 2023: $100 ==> $9500
Stocks, 1913 ... 2023: $100 ==> $3.8 MILLION
--
Rich
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
They use "Core Inflation" dumbass.
You're as bad as BillB with labor participation.
Here, educate yourself: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coreinflation.asp#:~:text=Core%20inflation%20is%20the%20change,prices%20are%20much%20more%20volatile.
Tell anyone who goes to a grocery store or heats or air conditions their house that there is low inflation, (chortle).
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:20:11 PM UTC-4, Travel wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
They use "Core Inflation" dumbass.
You're as bad as BillB with labor participation.
Here, educate yourself: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coreinflation.asp#:~:text=Core%20inflation%20is%20the%20change,prices%20are%20much%20more%20volatile.
Tell anyone who goes to a grocery store or heats or air conditions their house that there is low inflation, (chortle).Silence is agreement, heh heh.
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:14:42 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:20:11 PM UTC-4, Travel wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
They use "Core Inflation" dumbass.
You're as bad as BillB with labor participation.
Here, educate yourself: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coreinflation.asp#:~:text=Core%20inflation%20is%20the%20change,prices%20are%20much%20more%20volatile.
And maybe the conversation now should touch on all the unemployed they are hiding. Check out the U6 number they are ignoring.Tell anyone who goes to a grocery store or heats or air conditions their house that there is low inflation, (chortle).Silence is agreement, heh heh.
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 8:36:57 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:14:42 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:20:11 PM UTC-4, Travel wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
They use "Core Inflation" dumbass.
You're as bad as BillB with labor participation.
Here, educate yourself: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coreinflation.asp#:~:text=Core%20inflation%20is%20the%20change,prices%20are%20much%20more%20volatile.
There really isn't anything that they don't lie about anymore; it all comes from the same-influenced source. Even those "fact check" sites have been debunked as phony.And maybe the conversation now should touch on all the unemployed they are hiding. Check out the U6 number they are ignoring.Tell anyone who goes to a grocery store or heats or air conditions their house that there is low inflation, (chortle).Silence is agreement, heh heh.
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:36:57 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:14:42 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:20:11 PM UTC-4, Travel wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
They use "Core Inflation" dumbass.
You're as bad as BillB with labor participation.
Here, educate yourself: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coreinflation.asp#:~:text=Core%20inflation%20is%20the%20change,prices%20are%20much%20more%20volatile.
Hiding? More conspiracy theories?And maybe the conversation now should touch on all the unemployed they are hiding. Check out the U6 number they are ignoring.Tell anyone who goes to a grocery store or heats or air conditions their house that there is low inflation, (chortle).Silence is agreement, heh heh.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/U6RATE
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:14:42 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:20:11 PM UTC-4, Travel wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
They use "Core Inflation" dumbass.
You're as bad as BillB with labor participation.
Here, educate yourself: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coreinflation.asp#:~:text=Core%20inflation%20is%20the%20change,prices%20are%20much%20more%20volatile.
And maybe the conversation now should touch on all the unemployed they are hiding. Check out the U6 number they are ignoring.Tell anyone who goes to a grocery store or heats or air conditions their house that there is low inflation, (chortle).Silence is agreement, heh heh.
Yes, boomers are retiring en masse. It was predicted 30 years ago that would happen.
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 8:49:49 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:36:57 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:14:42 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:20:11 PM UTC-4, Travel wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
They use "Core Inflation" dumbass.
You're as bad as BillB with labor participation.
Here, educate yourself: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coreinflation.asp#:~:text=Core%20inflation%20is%20the%20change,prices%20are%20much%20more%20volatile.
Hiding? More conspiracy theories?And maybe the conversation now should touch on all the unemployed they are hiding. Check out the U6 number they are ignoring.Tell anyone who goes to a grocery store or heats or air conditions their house that there is low inflation, (chortle).Silence is agreement, heh heh.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/U6RATELabor participation rate June 2008: 66.6%
Labor participation rate Jun 2023: 62.9%
So, fuck off
|
| Morgan Stanley credits Bidenomics for 'much stronger' than
| expected GDP growth
| ... <https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/21/bidenomics-spurred-stronger-gdp-growth-morgan-stanley.html>
--bks
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:45:19 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:less when you factor in inflation. And, remember, the CPI number is never the true inflation.
|
| Morgan Stanley credits Bidenomics for 'much stronger' than
| expected GDP growth
| ... <https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/21/bidenomics-spurred-stronger-gdp-growth-morgan-stanley.html>
--bksWell, if you have lots of inflation, the nominal GDP can keep rising, while the actual production and consumption is shrinking. Weimar. In fact, nominal wages will also rise...and the stock market will rise although the actual value of those stocks are
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 7:57:19 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:are less when you factor in inflation. And, remember, the CPI number is never the true inflation.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:51:18 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:45:19 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| Morgan Stanley credits Bidenomics for 'much stronger' than
| expected GDP growth
| ... <https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/21/bidenomics-spurred-stronger-gdp-growth-morgan-stanley.html>
--bksWell, if you have lots of inflation, the nominal GDP can keep rising, while the actual production and consumption is shrinking. Weimar. In fact, nominal wages will also rise...and the stock market will rise although the actual value of those stocks
and government salaries too much to account for it. Which is also why, despite earning higher and higher salaries, you feel like you have less and less.....because you DO have less and less.That's why we have a measurement for real GDP, which is adjusted for inflation. It is currently the highest in US history.That chart has NEVER adjusted for the TRUE inflation which is why it's always bloated and increasing. It's a mirage. True inflation is always much higher than what they admit to, but if they admited to it, they'd have to increase social security checks
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
It's like I have to draw BillB a diagram. Bill, don't try to pretend you don't know the govt lies about the inflation measure and is constantly changing how they measure it to make their charts look better. If you calculate inflation based off the sameway they measured it 40 years ago, you'd see inflation has averaged over double than what's reported the last 40 years.
inflation to fit their desire number, but in reality, the raising of the rates now just hurts the economy more and you'll see all the nasty inflation that raises food and energy prices, and taxes which conveniently are ignored by your inflationAnd all that is in spite of the Fed raising the federal funds rate for ten consecutive meetings (5% in total) in an attempt to slow down the Biden economy to slow inflation.But, they won't...because there are two types of inflation...good inflation and bad inflation....and, we have runaway BAD inflation now because of the largess of spending by our politicians, so, they'll continually try to massage the way they define
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:51:18 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:are less when you factor in inflation. And, remember, the CPI number is never the true inflation.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:45:19 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| Morgan Stanley credits Bidenomics for 'much stronger' than
| expected GDP growth
| ... <https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/21/bidenomics-spurred-stronger-gdp-growth-morgan-stanley.html>
--bksWell, if you have lots of inflation, the nominal GDP can keep rising, while the actual production and consumption is shrinking. Weimar. In fact, nominal wages will also rise...and the stock market will rise although the actual value of those stocks
That's why we have a measurement for real GDP, which is adjusted for inflation. It is currently the highest in US history.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
Of course, that doesn't take into account population growth, which is why we also have a measurement for real GDP per capita. That is also currently the highest in US history. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A939RX0Q048
So why all the right-wing tears? Money is falling from the sky. All you have to do is bend over and pick it up. There are almost 10 million job openings. Go get one.
And all that is in spite of the Fed raising the federal funds rate for ten consecutive meetings (5% in total) in an attempt to slow down the Biden economy to slow inflation.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:51:18 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:are less when you factor in inflation. And, remember, the CPI number is never the true inflation.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:45:19 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| Morgan Stanley credits Bidenomics for 'much stronger' than
| expected GDP growth
| ... <https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/21/bidenomics-spurred-stronger-gdp-growth-morgan-stanley.html>
--bksWell, if you have lots of inflation, the nominal GDP can keep rising, while the actual production and consumption is shrinking. Weimar. In fact, nominal wages will also rise...and the stock market will rise although the actual value of those stocks
That's why we have a measurement for real GDP, which is adjusted for inflation. It is currently the highest in US history.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
And all that is in spite of the Fed raising the federal funds rate for ten consecutive meetings (5% in total) in an attempt to slow down the Biden economy to slow inflation.
So why all the right-wing tears? Money is falling from the sky. All you have to do is bend over and pick it up. There are almost 10 million job openings. Go get one.
And all that is in spite of the Fed raising the federal funds rate for ten consecutive meetings (5% in total) in an attempt to slow down the Biden economy to slow inflation.Getting bored, but maybe I should show you all the PMI type charts that show our economy is cratering right now.....and ya, price of used cars went down a little, but everyone is being fucked over by more and more taxes and higher prices at the stores
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term...that's what happened to the stock market in Weimar Germany....
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term...that's what happened to the stock market in Weimar Germany....Ditto with Venezuela.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7Is Rubenstein your guru?
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:05:09 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
This is Bill Blab's thing. He is an endlessly argumentative asshole. You can never really tell what is in his mind, he lives to contradict.The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term...that's what happened to the stock market in Weimar Germany....Ditto with Venezuela.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:26:55 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:stock market doing fine claim. The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term...that's what happened to the stock market in Weimar Germany....but the purchasing power of the value of everyone's stocks was cratering back then. So
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
WTF moron you are bringing up gurus? What's your "guru"...Hunter Biden? I just thought it might be an interesting article for you, dumbass. And, no matter what anyone says, the odds are very slim I buy into everything they say. Take for instance thehttps://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7Is Rubenstein your guru?
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
No, I have been very consistent with my confidence in the US economy, and I have been proved right every time. That's what bothers you.
You, on the other hand, predicted hyperinflation and the dollar "going to zero" by January 1, 2022, neither of which happened. You are consistent too...consistently wrong.
Nobody, libtard or otherwise, has a problem understanding that one's investments need to outpace inflation to get ahead. You are clearly delusional.
So you think the "real" inflation rate is typically double what is indicated by the CPI? We can test that theory with some simple arithmetic and our general observation real world price increases over the last 20 years. What were you paying for 70" TV20 years ago
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
Is Rubenstein your guru?COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession, propelled by
On 7/22/2023 11:26 AM, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."Is Rubenstein your guru?
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession, propelled by
That "Tuesday"was last year not this year.
On 7/22/2023 11:26 AM, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."Is Rubenstein your guru?
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession, propelled by
That "Tuesday"was last year not this year.
Yes, and during that period the annual inflation rate is down 66% and the stock market is near all-time highs. He was obviously reading my posts on RGP. They never give me credit.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Yes, and during that period the annual inflation rate is down 66% and the stock market is near all-time highs. He was obviously reading my posts on RGP. They never give me credit.Inflation down 66% my ass.....and even if it does go down....the prices aren't going down....they are just going up not quite as fast.
Math is hard, huh, BillB?
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:.
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:11:35 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:
On 7/22/2023 11:26 AM, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."Is Rubenstein your guru?
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession, propelled by
That "Tuesday"was last year not this year.A humiliating "catch."
It demonstrates how BIllB just "Googles-shit," surrounds it with gobblygoop, and posts it without really knowing what he's talking about.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:.
The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term...that's what happened to the stock market in Weimar Germany....Ditto with Venezuela.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:26:55 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7Is Rubenstein your guru?
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term....
I know that concept is always tough for libtards to accept as it destroys your print and spend logic.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:05:09 AM UTC-7, Paul Popinjay wrote:.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
This is Bill Blab's thing. He is an endlessly argumentative asshole. You can never really tell what is in his mind, he lives to contradict.The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term...that's what happened to the stock market in Weimar Germany....Ditto with Venezuela.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:29:00 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:.
No, I have been very consistent with my confidence in the US economy, and I have been proved right every time. That's what bothers you.
You've never been proven right...not even in the least.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:11:35 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:
On 7/22/2023 11:26 AM, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."Is Rubenstein your guru?
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession, propelled by
That "Tuesday"was last year not this year.A humiliating "catch."
It demonstrates how BIllB just "Googles-shit," surrounds it with gobblygoop, and posts it without really knowing what he's talking about..
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:29:23 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:11:35 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:
On 7/22/2023 11:26 AM, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
by COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."Is Rubenstein your guru?
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession, propelled
That "Tuesday"was last year not this year.A humiliating "catch."
It demonstrates how BIllB just "Googles-shit," surrounds it with gobblygoop, and posts it without really knowing what he's talking about.No, I knew it was from 2022. So what?
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 3:11:49 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:29:23 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:11:35 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:
On 7/22/2023 11:26 AM, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
by COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."Is Rubenstein your guru?
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession, propelled
That "Tuesday"was last year not this year.A humiliating "catch."
Uh, because it's a year old? (Chortle)It demonstrates how BIllB just "Googles-shit," surrounds it with gobblygoop, and posts it without really knowing what he's talking about.No, I knew it was from 2022. So what?
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:10:50 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 3:11:49 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:29:23 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:11:35 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:
On 7/22/2023 11:26 AM, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>> Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
propelled by COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."Is Rubenstein your guru?
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession,
That "Tuesday"was last year not this year.A humiliating "catch."
Do you think he's less positive now that inflation has been cut by 2/3rds? Were the doomsayers any less hysterical last year? That's not my recollection.Uh, because it's a year old? (Chortle)It demonstrates how BIllB just "Googles-shit," surrounds it with gobblygoop, and posts it without really knowing what he's talking about.No, I knew it was from 2022. So what?
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:37:38 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:23:29 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:10:50 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 3:11:49 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:29:23 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:11:35 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:
On 7/22/2023 11:26 AM, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
propelled by COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."Is Rubenstein your guru?
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession,
down to a very manageable 3% and the money supply is on a decline. Don't you remember me trying to tell you all (about 10,000x) last year that the inflation was transitory and nothing to worry too much about? Trump is gone. The nightmare is over.That "Tuesday"was last year not this year.A humiliating "catch."
Yes, I realize the difference. In the year preceding July, 2022 the US was struggling with relatively high inflation caused (primarily) by the stunning increase in money supply that occurred during the Trump administration. Now under Biden it is backYou didn't realize the difference in this year and last, you don't know the matetial.Do you think he's less positive now that inflation has been cut by 2/3rds? Were the doomsayers any less hysterical last year? That's not my recollection.Uh, because it's a year old? (Chortle)It demonstrates how BIllB just "Googles-shit," surrounds it with gobblygoop, and posts it without really knowing what he's talking about.No, I knew it was from 2022. So what?
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:23:29 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:10:50 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 3:11:49 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:29:23 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:11:35 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:
On 7/22/2023 11:26 AM, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote: >>> Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
propelled by COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."Is Rubenstein your guru?
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession,
That "Tuesday"was last year not this year.A humiliating "catch."
You didn't realize the difference in this year and last, you don't know the matetial.Do you think he's less positive now that inflation has been cut by 2/3rds? Were the doomsayers any less hysterical last year? That's not my recollection.Uh, because it's a year old? (Chortle)It demonstrates how BIllB just "Googles-shit," surrounds it with gobblygoop, and posts it without really knowing what he's talking about.No, I knew it was from 2022. So what?
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 3:22:32 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:down to a very manageable 3% and the money supply is on a decline. Don't you remember me trying to tell you all (about 10,000x) last year that the inflation was transitory and nothing to worry too much about? Trump is gone. The nightmare is over.
Yes, I realize the difference. In the year preceding July, 2022 the US was struggling with relatively high inflation caused (primarily) by the stunning increase in money supply that occurred during the Trump administration. Now under Biden it is back
You fucking disingenuous liar. Wouldn't it be more accurate to point out the money printing came during the Pandemic response? And, the President isn't in charge of the purse strings at all, you lying POS. Congress is, so you can think congress forpassing the bills that bloated the system full of money....a DEMOCRAT congress. Furthermore, the the inflation mostly wasn't caused by the money printing nearly as much as it was caused by the transportation/supply problems everywhere during the pandemic
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 6:22:32 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:37:38 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:23:29 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:10:50 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 3:11:49 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:29:23 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:11:35 PM UTC-4, da pickle wrote:
On 7/22/2023 11:26 AM, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
propelled by COVID-19, are misguided. He also dismissed fears of how bad it's getting in the stock market."Is Rubenstein your guru?
"The private equity billionaire and Carlyle Group cofounder says the economy will be just fine. He took to the airwaves on Tuesday to assure the American public that inflation talk is overblown and that fears of an imminent recession,
down to a very manageable 3% and the money supply is on a decline. Don't you remember me trying to tell you all (about 10,000x) last year that the inflation was transitory and nothing to worry too much about? Trump is gone. The nightmare is over.That "Tuesday"was last year not this year.A humiliating "catch."
Yes, I realize the difference. In the year preceding July, 2022 the US was struggling with relatively high inflation caused (primarily) by the stunning increase in money supply that occurred during the Trump administration. Now under Biden it is backYou didn't realize the difference in this year and last, you don't know the matetial.Do you think he's less positive now that inflation has been cut by 2/3rds? Were the doomsayers any less hysterical last year? That's not my recollection.Uh, because it's a year old? (Chortle)It demonstrates how BIllB just "Googles-shit," surrounds it with gobblygoop, and posts it without really knowing what he's talking about.No, I knew it was from 2022. So what?
Please, Pickel caught you red-handed. All the gobblygoop In the world won't change your own post.
Yes, I realize the difference. In the year preceding July, 2022 the US was struggling with relatively high inflation caused (primarily) by the stunning increase in money supply that occurred during the Trump administration. Now under Biden it is backdown to a very manageable 3% and the money supply is on a decline. Don't you remember me trying to tell you all (about 10,000x) last year that the inflation was transitory and nothing to worry too much about? Trump is gone. The nightmare is over.
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is nothappening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:16 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:back down to a very manageable 3% and the money supply is on a decline. Don't you remember me trying to tell you all (about 10,000x) last year that the inflation was transitory and nothing to worry too much about? Trump is gone. The nightmare is over.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 3:22:32 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Yes, I realize the difference. In the year preceding July, 2022 the US was struggling with relatively high inflation caused (primarily) by the stunning increase in money supply that occurred during the Trump administration. Now under Biden it is
passing the bills that bloated the system full of money....a DEMOCRAT congress. Furthermore, the the inflation mostly wasn't caused by the money printing nearly as much as it was caused by the transportation/supply problems everywhere during the pandemicYou fucking disingenuous liar. Wouldn't it be more accurate to point out the money printing came during the Pandemic response? And, the President isn't in charge of the purse strings at all, you lying POS. Congress is, so you can think congress for
The buck stops with the president. There is a reason he has to sign off on everything. And if you recall, Trump threatened to veto the Covid relief bill if they didn't give him even MORE money than was proposed to drop from helicopters. Are you apathetic Trump sycophant too?
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:12 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:happening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is not
So, you are just an outright lunatic. Kamala is the least capable person ever and would never be in charge of anything other than giving Willie Brown blowjobs to get ahead in life. And, there are plenty of charts to show just how bad things areACTUALLY getting despite all the numbers massaging going on to hide the truth. It's obvious what's going on...Biden admin is going to cook any nujmbers they can and deny we're in recession already in order to hang it on the Republicans when they take
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:44:30 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:happening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:12 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is not
ACTUALLY getting despite all the numbers massaging going on to hide the truth. It's obvious what's going on...Biden admin is going to cook any nujmbers they can and deny we're in recession already in order to hang it on the Republicans when they takeSo, you are just an outright lunatic. Kamala is the least capable person ever and would never be in charge of anything other than giving Willie Brown blowjobs to get ahead in life. And, there are plenty of charts to show just how bad things are
Yes. I heard you the first time. All key economic indicator data is fake. We are now free to believe whatever fantasy we want. Sounds good.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 6:48:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:happening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:44:30 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:12 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is not
ACTUALLY getting despite all the numbers massaging going on to hide the truth. It's obvious what's going on...Biden admin is going to cook any nujmbers they can and deny we're in recession already in order to hang it on the Republicans when they takeSo, you are just an outright lunatic. Kamala is the least capable person ever and would never be in charge of anything other than giving Willie Brown blowjobs to get ahead in life. And, there are plenty of charts to show just how bad things are
you live is believing everything the govt shoves up your ass when it benefits your guy in office. I'm sure you'd be doing the exact opposite if it were Trump in office.Yes. I heard you the first time. All key economic indicator data is fake. We are now free to believe whatever fantasy we want. Sounds good.I didn't say all key economic indicators are fake. Now, you are putting woreds in my mouth. But, if you think the Fed is out there telling the truth all the time, you are smoking crack. At least when I look at data, I look for the truth. The fantasy
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 7:20:47 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:not happening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 6:48:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:44:30 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:12 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is
ACTUALLY getting despite all the numbers massaging going on to hide the truth. It's obvious what's going on...Biden admin is going to cook any nujmbers they can and deny we're in recession already in order to hang it on the Republicans when they takeSo, you are just an outright lunatic. Kamala is the least capable person ever and would never be in charge of anything other than giving Willie Brown blowjobs to get ahead in life. And, there are plenty of charts to show just how bad things are
you live is believing everything the govt shoves up your ass when it benefits your guy in office. I'm sure you'd be doing the exact opposite if it were Trump in office.Yes. I heard you the first time. All key economic indicator data is fake. We are now free to believe whatever fantasy we want. Sounds good.I didn't say all key economic indicators are fake. Now, you are putting woreds in my mouth. But, if you think the Fed is out there telling the truth all the time, you are smoking crack. At least when I look at data, I look for the truth. The fantasy
I asked Bard the most important economic indicators (aka key economic indicators) in the economy:informed decisions about the economy.
""The most important economic indicators in an economy are those that provide a comprehensive overview of the economy's current health and future prospects. These indicators are typically tracked by economists, policymakers, and investors to make
"Some of the most important economic indicators include:
"Gross domestic product (GDP): GDP is the most comprehensive measure of economic activity in an economy. It measures the total value of goods and services produced in a country during a given period of time.
Unemployment rate: The unemployment rate measures the percentage of the labor force that is unemployed. A high unemployment rate can indicate that the economy is not performing well.
Inflation: Inflation measures the rate at which prices are rising in an economy. A high inflation rate can erode the purchasing power of consumers and businesses.
Consumer spending: Consumer spending is a major driver of economic growth. When consumers are spending more money, it signals that the economy is healthy.
Business investment: Business investment is another important driver of economic growth. When businesses are investing in new equipment and buildings, it signals that they are confident in the future of the economy."
Do you want to take a look at the data associated with each of those key indicators individually? Or is it all fake? Without looking, I would guess the most informative measure of GDP, real GDP per capita, is the highest in US history. I would say theunemployment rate hasn't been substantially lower in 70 years, and in fact substantially lower than what economists have historically called full employment. I would say CPI (which has been refined over many years for real world accuracy) is at 3% which
My perception is that right-wingers started getting hysterical about how *bad* the economy is as soon as some guy they didn't like crushed their Orange Jesus in a national election.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:07:38 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:not happening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 7:20:47 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 6:48:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:44:30 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:12 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is
ACTUALLY getting despite all the numbers massaging going on to hide the truth. It's obvious what's going on...Biden admin is going to cook any nujmbers they can and deny we're in recession already in order to hang it on the Republicans when they takeSo, you are just an outright lunatic. Kamala is the least capable person ever and would never be in charge of anything other than giving Willie Brown blowjobs to get ahead in life. And, there are plenty of charts to show just how bad things are
fantasy you live is believing everything the govt shoves up your ass when it benefits your guy in office. I'm sure you'd be doing the exact opposite if it were Trump in office.Yes. I heard you the first time. All key economic indicator data is fake. We are now free to believe whatever fantasy we want. Sounds good.I didn't say all key economic indicators are fake. Now, you are putting woreds in my mouth. But, if you think the Fed is out there telling the truth all the time, you are smoking crack. At least when I look at data, I look for the truth. The
informed decisions about the economy.I asked Bard the most important economic indicators (aka key economic indicators) in the economy:
""The most important economic indicators in an economy are those that provide a comprehensive overview of the economy's current health and future prospects. These indicators are typically tracked by economists, policymakers, and investors to make
"Some of the most important economic indicators include:
"Gross domestic product (GDP): GDP is the most comprehensive measure of economic activity in an economy. It measures the total value of goods and services produced in a country during a given period of time.
Unemployment rate: The unemployment rate measures the percentage of the labor force that is unemployed. A high unemployment rate can indicate that the economy is not performing well.
Inflation: Inflation measures the rate at which prices are rising in an economy. A high inflation rate can erode the purchasing power of consumers and businesses.
Consumer spending: Consumer spending is a major driver of economic growth. When consumers are spending more money, it signals that the economy is healthy.
Business investment: Business investment is another important driver of economic growth. When businesses are investing in new equipment and buildings, it signals that they are confident in the future of the economy."
the unemployment rate hasn't been substantially lower in 70 years, and in fact substantially lower than what economists have historically called full employment. I would say CPI (which has been refined over many years for real world accuracy) is at 3%Do you want to take a look at the data associated with each of those key indicators individually? Or is it all fake? Without looking, I would guess the most informative measure of GDP, real GDP per capita, is the highest in US history. I would say
My perception is that right-wingers started getting hysterical about how *bad* the economy is as soon as some guy they didn't like crushed their Orange Jesus in a national election.Whatever, Canadian Jerry.
Whatever, Canadian Jerry.Real GDP per capita, highest in US history https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A939RX0Q048SBEA
Unemployment rate, hasn't been significantly lower in 70 years https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE
Inflation, "US Inflation Rate is at 2.97%, compared to 4.05% last month and 9.06% last year. This is lower than the long term average of 3.28%."
https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_inflation_rate#:~:text=US%20Inflation%20Rate%20(I%3AUSIR)&text=US%20Inflation%20Rate%20is%20at,in%20price%20over%20a%20year.
Real Consumer Spending, highest in history: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PCEC96
Business investment, well above average https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/W790RC1Q027SBEA
The End is Near! It must be, because "conservatives" have been saying it every time a Democrat is in office for the last 40 years, at least.
Oddly enough, when Trump was in office they were calling essentially the same conditions "the best economy in US history." How odd.
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:24:24 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:makes you a right-winger....you're just going to believe exactly what you want to believe, irrefutable evidence to the contrary be damned.
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
And by "contrived charts" you of course mean the most authoritative and current economic data available for the economy's most important economic indicators. But they are incompatible with your narrative, so that makes them "contrived." That's what
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:03:59 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:makes you a right-winger....you're just going to believe exactly what you want to believe, irrefutable evidence to the contrary be damned.
On 7/23/2023 5:37 AM, BillB wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:24:24 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
And by "contrived charts" you of course mean the most authoritative and current economic data available for the economy's most important economic indicators. But they are incompatible with your narrative, so that makes them "contrived." That's what
You convinced Jerry ... just the two of you ... together forever !
I am not trying to convince any right-wingers of anything. That is impossible. You are all thoroughly brainwashed. I am just demonstrating to normal people how fact-resistant, biased and economically illiterate you all are.
On 7/23/2023 5:37 AM, BillB wrote:makes you a right-winger....you're just going to believe exactly what you want to believe, irrefutable evidence to the contrary be damned.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:24:24 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
And by "contrived charts" you of course mean the most authoritative and current economic data available for the economy's most important economic indicators. But they are incompatible with your narrative, so that makes them "contrived." That's what
You convinced Jerry ... just the two of you ... together forever !
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 1:48:02 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:.
Whatever, Canadian Jerry.Real GDP per capita, highest in US history https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A939RX0Q048SBEA
Unemployment rate, hasn't been significantly lower in 70 years https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE
Inflation, "US Inflation Rate is at 2.97%, compared to 4.05% last month and 9.06% last year. This is lower than the long term average of 3.28%."
https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_inflation_rate#:~:text=US%20Inflation%20Rate%20(I%3AUSIR)&text=US%20Inflation%20Rate%20is%20at,in%20price%20over%20a%20year.
Real Consumer Spending, highest in history: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PCEC96
Business investment, well above average https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/W790RC1Q027SBEA
The End is Near! It must be, because "conservatives" have been saying it every time a Democrat is in office for the last 40 years, at least.
Oddly enough, when Trump was in office they were calling essentially the same conditions "the best economy in US history." How odd.
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
You are as demented as Jerry. BillB, go see a shrink.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 3:22:32 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:down to a very manageable 3% and the money supply is on a decline. Don't you remember me trying to tell you all (about 10,000x) last year that the inflation was transitory and nothing to worry too much about? Trump is gone. The nightmare is over.
Yes, I realize the difference. In the year preceding July, 2022 the US was struggling with relatively high inflation caused (primarily) by the stunning increase in money supply that occurred during the Trump administration. Now under Biden it is back
You fucking disingenuous liar.
Furthermore, the the inflation mostly wasn't caused by.
the money printing nearly as much as it was caused by the transportation/supply problems everywhere
during the pandemic that caused a shortage of supplies
You, dumbass. inflation didn't come down at all because of the "biden administration" like you try to allude
credit to, but inflation came down moreso because the transportation problems sorted themselves out.
Furthermore, the inflation is also down a little only because that
moron biden is unloading all of our SPR oil that is supposed be for emergencies...unloading massive amounts because he's mad at both
Russia and Saudi Arabia.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:07:38 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:not happening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 7:20:47 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 6:48:52 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:44:30 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:12 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is
ACTUALLY getting despite all the numbers massaging going on to hide the truth. It's obvious what's going on...Biden admin is going to cook any nujmbers they can and deny we're in recession already in order to hang it on the Republicans when they takeSo, you are just an outright lunatic. Kamala is the least capable person ever and would never be in charge of anything other than giving Willie Brown blowjobs to get ahead in life. And, there are plenty of charts to show just how bad things are
fantasy you live is believing everything the govt shoves up your ass when it benefits your guy in office. I'm sure you'd be doing the exact opposite if it were Trump in office.Yes. I heard you the first time. All key economic indicator data is fake. We are now free to believe whatever fantasy we want. Sounds good.I didn't say all key economic indicators are fake. Now, you are putting woreds in my mouth. But, if you think the Fed is out there telling the truth all the time, you are smoking crack. At least when I look at data, I look for the truth. The
informed decisions about the economy.I asked Bard the most important economic indicators (aka key economic indicators) in the economy:
""The most important economic indicators in an economy are those that provide a comprehensive overview of the economy's current health and future prospects. These indicators are typically tracked by economists, policymakers, and investors to make
"Some of the most important economic indicators include:
"Gross domestic product (GDP): GDP is the most comprehensive measure of economic activity in an economy. It measures the total value of goods and services produced in a country during a given period of time.
Unemployment rate: The unemployment rate measures the percentage of the labor force that is unemployed. A high unemployment rate can indicate that the economy is not performing well.
Inflation: Inflation measures the rate at which prices are rising in an economy. A high inflation rate can erode the purchasing power of consumers and businesses.
Consumer spending: Consumer spending is a major driver of economic growth. When consumers are spending more money, it signals that the economy is healthy.
Business investment: Business investment is another important driver of economic growth. When businesses are investing in new equipment and buildings, it signals that they are confident in the future of the economy."
the unemployment rate hasn't been substantially lower in 70 years, and in fact substantially lower than what economists have historically called full employment. I would say CPI (which has been refined over many years for real world accuracy) is at 3%Do you want to take a look at the data associated with each of those key indicators individually? Or is it all fake? Without looking, I would guess the most informative measure of GDP, real GDP per capita, is the highest in US history. I would say
.My perception is that right-wingers started getting hysterical about how *bad* the economy is as soon as some guy they didn't like crushed their Orange Jesus in a national election.
Whatever, Canadian Jerry..
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:12 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:happening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is not
And, there are plenty of charts to show just how bad things are ACTUALLY getting despite all the.
numbers massaging going on to hide the truth.
On 7/23/2023 5:37 AM, BillB wrote:makes you a right-winger....you're just going to believe exactly what you want to believe, irrefutable evidence to the contrary be damned.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:24:24 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
And by "contrived charts" you of course mean the most authoritative and current economic data available for the economy's most important economic indicators. But they are incompatible with your narrative, so that makes them "contrived." That's what
You convinced Jerry ... just the two of you ... together forever !.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:21:38 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:what makes you a right-winger....you're just going to believe exactly what you want to believe, irrefutable evidence to the contrary be damned.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:03:59 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
On 7/23/2023 5:37 AM, BillB wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:24:24 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
And by "contrived charts" you of course mean the most authoritative and current economic data available for the economy's most important economic indicators. But they are incompatible with your narrative, so that makes them "contrived." That's
.You convinced Jerry ... just the two of you ... together forever !I am not trying to convince any right-wingers of anything. That is impossible. You are all thoroughly brainwashed. I am just demonstrating to normal people how fact-resistant, biased and economically illiterate you all are.
And you've done it. They cannot reply or show ANYTHING. Only R&H...
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:34:54 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:happening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:44:30 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:12 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is not
..
And, there are plenty of charts to show just how bad things are ACTUALLY getting despite all the.
numbers massaging going on to hide the truth.
LOL! *** Then you should have no troubled showing us. ***
(This is all it takes to get this fucking moron to Run & Hide & and not reply).
ANY time I do that, this lying coward cannot reply. So he whines to someone lese
with hit bullshit.
He has over 40 "*** You should have no trouble showing us ***" post to reply to.
*** Nothing *** from this fool...
LOL!
Chortle, and BIllB has ...
...no trouble showing more and more gobblygoop, left propaganda and calling it "the most authoritative..." etc.
Never a reference to anything, person or source considered conservative. Talk about running-from and hiding.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:46:26 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:what makes you a right-winger....you're just going to believe exactly what you want to believe, irrefutable evidence to the contrary be damned.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 8:21:38 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:03:59 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
On 7/23/2023 5:37 AM, BillB wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:24:24 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
And by "contrived charts" you of course mean the most authoritative and current economic data available for the economy's most important economic indicators. But they are incompatible with your narrative, so that makes them "contrived." That's
..You convinced Jerry ... just the two of you ... together forever !I am not trying to convince any right-wingers of anything. That is impossible. You are all thoroughly brainwashed. I am just demonstrating to normal people how fact-resistant, biased and economically illiterate you all are.
And you've done it. They cannot reply or show ANYTHING. Only R&H...
Read a newspaper, dumbass (chortle).
On 7/23/2023 10:21 AM, BillB wrote:makes you a right-winger....you're just going to believe exactly what you want to believe, irrefutable evidence to the contrary be damned.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:03:59 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
On 7/23/2023 5:37 AM, BillB wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:24:24 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
And by "contrived charts" you of course mean the most authoritative and current economic data available for the economy's most important economic indicators. But they are incompatible with your narrative, so that makes them "contrived." That's what
.You convinced Jerry ... just the two of you ... together forever !
I am not trying to convince any right-wingers of anything. That is impossible. You are all thoroughly brainwashed. I am just demonstrating to normal people how fact-resistant, biased and economically illiterate you all are.L O L
Only one side is mendacious ...
Right there with Jerry
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:44:30 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:happening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:12 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is not
.
And, there are plenty of charts to show just how bad things are ACTUALLY getting despite all the.
numbers massaging going on to hide the truth.
LOL! *** Then you should have no troubled showing us. ***
(This is all it takes to get this fucking moron to Run & Hide & and not reply).
ANY time I do that, this lying coward cannot reply. So he whines to someone lese
with hit bullshit.
He has over 40 "*** You should have no trouble showing us ***" post to reply to.
*** Nothing *** from this fool...
LOL!
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:03:59 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:makes you a right-winger....you're just going to believe exactly what you want to believe, irrefutable evidence to the contrary be damned.
On 7/23/2023 5:37 AM, BillB wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:24:24 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
And by "contrived charts" you of course mean the most authoritative and current economic data available for the economy's most important economic indicators. But they are incompatible with your narrative, so that makes them "contrived." That's what
.You convinced Jerry ... just the two of you ... together forever !I am not trying to convince any right-wingers of anything. That is impossible. You are all thoroughly brainwashed. I am just demonstrating to normal people how fact-resistant, biased and economically illiterate you all are.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:24:24 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:makes you a right-winger....you're just going to believe exactly what you want to believe, irrefutable evidence to the contrary be damned.
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
And by "contrived charts" you of course mean the most authoritative and current economic data available for the economy's most important economic indicators. But they are incompatible with your narrative, so that makes them "contrived." That's what
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:37:19 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:makes you a right-winger....you're just going to believe exactly what you want to believe, irrefutable evidence to the contrary be damned.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:24:24 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
Throwing up a few contrived charts...
And by "contrived charts" you of course mean the most authoritative and current economic data available for the economy's most important economic indicators. But they are incompatible with your narrative, so that makes them "contrived." That's what
Some of those charts are more politically derived than others. And, if you knew a fucking thing in life, you'd understand. person
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
lol...you are not a serious person, and the cognitive dissonance you are experiencing is clearly excruciating. All you can do is go into denial mode.You sound like the same type of out of touch, never been truly educated or learned how things actually worked in higher circles like Jerry is. Just nothing even worth responding to.....I gave you a chance.....Ploink.
lol...you are not a serious person, and the cognitive dissonance you are experiencing is clearly excruciating. All you can do is go into denial mode.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:34:54 PM UTC-4, VegasJerry wrote:happening, nor is it going to in the foreseeable future. You are safe now...Trump is gone and Kamala is in charge.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:44:30 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 4:24:12 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
My post was about showing the confidence Jack's source has in the US economy, and his confidence, like mine, was shown to be warranted based on his comment from last year. As much as you people seem to look forward to the US imploding, it is not
.
And, there are plenty of charts to show just how bad things are ACTUALLY getting despite all the.
numbers massaging going on to hide the truth.
LOL! *** Then you should have no troubled showing us. ***
(This is all it takes to get this fucking moron to Run & Hide & and not reply).
ANY time I do that, this lying coward cannot reply. So he whines to someone lese
with hit bullshit.
He has over 40 "*** You should have no trouble showing us ***" post to reply to.
*** Nothing *** from this fool...
LOL!Chortle, and BIllB has no trouble showing more and more gobblygoop, left propaganda and calling it "the most authoritative..." etc.
Never a reference to anything, person or source considered conservative. Talk about running-from and hiding.
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:48:15 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
Never a reference to anything, person or source considered conservative. >> Talk about running-from and hiding.
Ya, typical libtards proclaiming all stats to be facts when it fitsIf you think The Wall Street Journal is not conservative,
their narrative. But stats are always political....I seem to recall a >picture of Obama carrying around a book titled "How to lie with >statistics"
you are delusional.
--bks
Never a reference to anything, person or source considered conservative. Talk about running-from and hiding.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:48:15 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
Never a reference to anything, person or source considered conservative.
Talk about running-from and hiding.
Ya, typical libtards proclaiming all stats to be facts when it fits
their narrative. But stats are always political....I seem to recall a >picture of Obama carrying around a book titled "How to lie with
statistics"
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
...
If you think The Wall Street Journal is not conservative,
you are delusional.
Maybe in the past,
...
You're delusional.
--bks
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
...
If you think The Wall Street Journal is not conservative,
you are delusional.
Maybe in the past,
...
You're delusional.
--bks
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
...
If you think The Wall Street Journal is not conservative,
you are delusional.
Maybe in the past,
...
You're delusional.
--bks
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> > ...
If you think The Wall Street Journal is not conservative,
you are delusional.
Maybe in the past,
...
You're delusional.
Ya, you go believing everything you read in WSJ or any other newspaper.
...
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
...
If you think The Wall Street Journal is not conservative,
you are delusional.
Maybe in the past,
...
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
...
If you think The Wall Street Journal is not conservative,
you are delusional.
Maybe in the past,
...
You're delusional.
Ya, you go believing everything you read in WSJ or any other newspaper.
...
You're delusional. And you're changing the subject because you
realized how delusional your previous response is.
--bks
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:59:02 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> >> jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:You're delusional. And you're changing the subject because you
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:You're delusional.
...
If you think The Wall Street Journal is not conservative,
you are delusional.
Maybe in the past,
...
Ya, you go believing everything you read in WSJ or any other newspaper.
...
realized how delusional your previous response is.
Oh bullshit. I'm just tired of idiots.
...
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:15:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
lol...you are not a serious person, and the cognitive dissonance you are experiencing is clearly excruciating. All you can do is go into denial mode.You sound like the same type of out of touch, never been truly educated or learned how things actually worked in higher circles like Jerry is. Just nothing even worth responding to.....I gave you a chance.....Ploink.
^^^ Utterly defeated by basic economic facts. LOLOL
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:.
lol...you are not a serious person, and the cognitive dissonance you are experiencing is clearly excruciating. All you
can do is go into denial mode.
You sound like the same type of out of touch, never been truly educated or learned how things actually worked in.
higher circles like Jerry is.
Just nothing even worth responding to.....I gave you a chance.....Ploink.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:48:15 AM UTC-7, Travel wrote:.
Never a reference to anything, person or source considered conservative. Talk about running-from and hiding.
Ya, typical libtards proclaiming all stats to be facts when it fits their narrative. But stats are always political..
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:59:02 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:.
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
...
If you think The Wall Street Journal is not conservative,
you are delusional.
Maybe in the past,
...
You're delusional.
Ya, you go believing everything you read in WSJ or any other newspaper. ...
You're delusional. And you're changing the subject because you
realized how delusional your previous response is.
--bks
Oh bullshit. I'm just tired of idiots.
And, you and a couple of others are just stupid morons it's plain to see.
We just spent 3 years being fully lied to by the govt
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:.
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:50:51 PM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
...
If you think The Wall Street Journal is not conservative,
you are delusional.
Maybe in the past,
...
You're delusional.
--bks
Ya, you go believing everything you read in WSJ or any other newspaper..
They don't even do investigative journalism,
On 7/23/2023 4:21 PM, BillB wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:15:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
lol...you are not a serious person, and the cognitive dissonance you are experiencing is clearly excruciating. All you can do is go into denial mode.You sound like the same type of out of touch, never been truly educated or learned how things actually worked in higher circles like Jerry is. Just nothing even worth responding to.....I gave you a chance.....Ploink.
.^^^ Utterly defeated by basic economic facts. LOLOLAh, so Jerry like ... ploink
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 7:57:19 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:printing money they don't have. I wonder how much inflation would be if they weren't so fraudently buying up their own debt. I wonder what our GDP would be if it didn't spew that extra $32T in national debt into the economy...so much faux GDP was created
So why all the right-wing tears? Money is falling from the sky. All you have to do is bend over and pick it up. There are almost 10 million job openings. Go get one.Fortunately, I don't need a job. But, I do hear millions of people are now working 2 and 3 jobs just to make a go of things because they don't make enough to survive. And, that money falling from the sky is the US Govt increasing the national debt and
and energy bills.And all that is in spite of the Fed raising the federal funds rate for ten consecutive meetings (5% in total) in an attempt to slow down the Biden economy to slow inflation.Getting bored, but maybe I should show you all the PMI type charts that show our economy is cratering right now.....and ya, price of used cars went down a little, but everyone is being fucked over by more and more taxes and higher prices at the stores
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:stock market doing fine claim. The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term...that's what happened to the stock market in Weimar Germany....but the purchasing power of the value of everyone's stocks was cratering back then. So
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:26:55 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
WTF moron you are bringing up gurus? What's your "guru"...Hunter Biden? I just thought it might be an interesting article for you, dumbass. And, no matter what anyone says, the odds are very slim I buy into everything they say. Take for instance thehttps://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7Is Rubenstein your guru?
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
Nobody, libtard or otherwise, has a problem understanding that one's investments need to outpace inflation to get ahead. You are clearly delusional.20 years ago?
So you think the "real" inflation rate is typically double what is indicated by the CPI? We can test that theory with some simple arithmetic and our general observation real world price increases over the last 20 years. What were you paying for 70" TV
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:42:41 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:the stock market doing fine claim. The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term...that's what happened to the stock market in Weimar Germany....but the purchasing power of the value of everyone's stocks was cratering back then.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:26:55 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
WTF moron you are bringing up gurus? What's your "guru"...Hunter Biden? I just thought it might be an interesting article for you, dumbass. And, no matter what anyone says, the odds are very slim I buy into everything they say. Take for instancehttps://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7Is Rubenstein your guru?
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
TV 20 years ago?Nobody, libtard or otherwise, has a problem understanding that one's investments need to outpace inflation to get ahead. You are clearly delusional.
So you think the "real" inflation rate is typically double what is indicated by the CPI? We can test that theory with some simple arithmetic and our general observation real world price increases over the last 20 years. What were you paying for 70"
Judging by electronics is a terrible idea. Look at basic food prices, utilities and rent.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Yes, and during that period the annual inflation rate is down 66% and the stock market is near all-time highs. He was obviously reading my posts on RGP. They never give me credit.Inflation down 66% my ass.....and even if it does go down....the prices aren't going down....they are just going up not quite as fast.
Math is hard, huh, BillB?
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Yes, and during that period the annual inflation rate is down 66% and the stock market is near all-time highs. He was obviously reading my posts on RGP. They never give me credit.Inflation down 66% my ass.....and even if it does go down....the prices aren't going down....they are just going up not quite as fast.
Math is hard, huh, BillB?
I have seen prices for feed and pine shavings go down in the past two months, as well as the fuel surcharge for my trash service.
Millions of people have been working 2-3 jobs for decades. A large part of the reason for that is because businesses were offering less than 35 hours (or is it 32?) so that they didn't have to offer benefits. Now, with the shortage of people, somecompanies have increased wages and are offering benefits.
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:54:15 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:companies have increased wages and are offering benefits.
Millions of people have been working 2-3 jobs for decades. A large part of the reason for that is because businesses were offering less than 35 hours (or is it 32?) so that they didn't have to offer benefits. Now, with the shortage of people, some
Your [SIC] simplifying the issue way too much.
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:15:37 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 1:38:00 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
.lol...you are not a serious person, and the cognitive dissonance you are experiencing is clearly excruciating. All you
can do is go into denial mode.
You sound like the same type of out of touch, never been truly educated or learned how things actually worked in.
higher circles like Jerry is.
The guy that keeps calling you out to show your ignorance?
They guy that proved you a liar, and keeps proving it?
The guy you keep running from because you can't answer?
Yea, me. BillB and me.
Just nothing even worth responding to.....I gave you a chance.....Ploink.See? Keep running kid, we're pointing and laughing at you...
LOL!
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:54:15 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:companies have increased wages and are offering benefits.
Millions of people have been working 2-3 jobs for decades. A large part of the reason for that is because businesses were offering less than 35 hours (or is it 32?) so that they didn't have to offer benefits. Now, with the shortage of people, some
Your simplifying the issue way too much. It first started with Nixon taking us off the gold standard which made the USD lose 70% of it's value quickly. That's when they started the women's lib propaganda and made women all think they had to work. Thenthey started exporting our jobs and importing cheap labor from down South. That put even more strains on raising families. Now, came obamacare so companies would be encouraged to cut hours and benefits and force everyone to take more jobs.
Ya, I hear the bullshit about worker shortage, but with the 7million adult immigrants we just waved in and going to college becoming increasingly unpopular, I think what's more likely is companies claim they can't get people because they don't want totrain anyone at their expense. So, good jobs, it's impossible to get the right trained veterans becuse of that...and then they can't get jobs for some low paying jobs because it's slave labor wages and people would rather live off and do better with
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:55:34 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:the stock market doing fine claim. The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term...that's what happened to the stock market in Weimar Germany....but the purchasing power of the value of everyone's stocks was cratering back then.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:42:41 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:26:55 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
WTF moron you are bringing up gurus? What's your "guru"...Hunter Biden? I just thought it might be an interesting article for you, dumbass. And, no matter what anyone says, the odds are very slim I buy into everything they say. Take for instancehttps://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7Is Rubenstein your guru?
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
TV 20 years ago?Nobody, libtard or otherwise, has a problem understanding that one's investments need to outpace inflation to get ahead. You are clearly delusional.
So you think the "real" inflation rate is typically double what is indicated by the CPI? We can test that theory with some simple arithmetic and our general observation real world price increases over the last 20 years. What were you paying for 70"
Judging by electronics is a terrible idea. Look at basic food prices, utilities and rent.Those categories you mentioned are weighted make up over well over 50% of the CPI, but those aren't the only things consumers spend their money on. It's a consumer price index, not a rent index or a basic necessities of life index.
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 4:11:02 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:instance the stock market doing fine claim. The stock market could very well keep going up and up in the long term...that's what happened to the stock market in Weimar Germany....but the purchasing power of the value of everyone's stocks was cratering
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:55:34 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:42:41 PM UTC-4, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:49:15 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:26:55 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
Well, I guess if you think economic data is a "mirage" (LOL) then you can believe absolutely anything you want. Have fun.
WTF moron you are bringing up gurus? What's your "guru"...Hunter Biden? I just thought it might be an interesting article for you, dumbass. And, no matter what anyone says, the odds are very slim I buy into everything they say. Take forhttps://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubenstein-us-debt-solution-taxes-spending-inflation-income-inequality-2023-7Is Rubenstein your guru?
Inflation is no mirage, and you will be seeing a lot more of it soon.
70" TV 20 years ago?Nobody, libtard or otherwise, has a problem understanding that one's investments need to outpace inflation to get ahead. You are clearly delusional.
So you think the "real" inflation rate is typically double what is indicated by the CPI? We can test that theory with some simple arithmetic and our general observation real world price increases over the last 20 years. What were you paying for
Regardless, electronics have been an anomaly for 40 years.Judging by electronics is a terrible idea. Look at basic food prices, utilities and rent.Those categories you mentioned are weighted make up over well over 50% of the CPI, but those aren't the only things consumers spend their money on. It's a consumer price index, not a rent index or a basic necessities of life index.
|
| The job market is humming nationally, but zoom in and you
| get another extraordinary snapshot: Many states across the
| country are experiencing all-time lows in unemployment.
| ...
| From Pennsylvania to Washington to Alabama, 17 states saw
| jobless rates hit new record lows or hold at a previously
| notched low in June, according to the Bureau of Labor
| Statistics.
| ...
<https://www.axios.com/2023/07/24/states-jobs-unemployment-rate>
--bks
On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:26:47 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:economic output. The Biden economy is just unstoppable. Don't get me wrong though, the Fed seems bound and determined to get their little recession come hell or high water. Not sure why because the really concerning inflation stopped more than a year ago.
|
| The job market is humming nationally, but zoom in and you
| get another extraordinary snapshot: Many states across the
| country are experiencing all-time lows in unemployment.
| ...
| From Pennsylvania to Washington to Alabama, 17 states saw
| jobless rates hit new record lows or hold at a previously
| notched low in June, according to the Bureau of Labor
| Statistics.
| ...
<https://www.axios.com/2023/07/24/states-jobs-unemployment-rate>
--bksYes, and these conditions exist despite the Fed deliberately and openly trying to kill it all off with ten consecutive rate hikes. Not only that, it's all happening shortly after the worst pandemic in at least a century disrupted the entire world's
On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:12:15 AM UTC-4, BillB wrote:economic output. The Biden economy is just unstoppable. Don't get me wrong though, the Fed seems bound and determined to get their little recession come hell or high water. Not sure why because the really concerning inflation stopped more than a year ago.
On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:26:47 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| The job market is humming nationally, but zoom in and you
| get another extraordinary snapshot: Many states across the
| country are experiencing all-time lows in unemployment.
| ...
| From Pennsylvania to Washington to Alabama, 17 states saw
| jobless rates hit new record lows or hold at a previously
| notched low in June, according to the Bureau of Labor
| Statistics.
| ...
<https://www.axios.com/2023/07/24/states-jobs-unemployment-rate>
--bksYes, and these conditions exist despite the Fed deliberately and openly trying to kill it all off with ten consecutive rate hikes. Not only that, it's all happening shortly after the worst pandemic in at least a century disrupted the entire world's
If you listen to Yellen and others, there is concern among the rich that wages are getting too high. They don't want the peasants to get uppity.
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
They use "Core Inflation" dumbass.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coreinflation.asp#:~:text=Core%20inflation%20is%20the%20changeprices%20are%20much%20more%20volatile.
Tell anyone who goes to a grocery store or heats or air conditions their house
that there is low inflation, (chortle)
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
On July 20, Travel wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
They use "Core Inflation" dumbass.
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/consumer-price-index-and-annual-percent-changes-from-1913-to-2008/
Check the table at the bottom, right side columns.
2021 and 2022, biggest jumps in CPI since 1980.
But never mind, Emperor Man Diaper is the Third Coming
(following the Messiah Barak), the Party says so!
|
| U.S. economic growth accelerated over three months ending
| in June, blowing past economist expectations and rebuking
| concern about a possible recession.
|
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
| ... <https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985>
--bks
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985
You imbecile. Only the NOMINAL GDP grew....adjust it for inflation and we're contracting.
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| U.S. economic growth accelerated over three months ending
| in June, blowing past economist expectations and rebuking
| concern about a possible recession.
|
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
| ... <https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985>
--bks
You imbecile. Only the NOMINAL GDP grew....adjust it for inflation and we're contracting.
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:30:47 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| U.S. economic growth accelerated over three months ending
| in June, blowing past economist expectations and rebuking
| concern about a possible recession.
|
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
| ... <https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985>
--bks
You imbecile. Only the NOMINAL GDP grew....adjust it for inflation and we're contracting.^^ talking out his ass again
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:18:37 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:and handing them out did quite a bit to fake GDP. But, as we can see by the savings chart(go ahead and show us those, dumbass) savings rates of americans has dropped off the charts...as has consumer spending. So, ya go ahead and fake GDP with govt
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:30:47 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| U.S. economic growth accelerated over three months ending
| in June, blowing past economist expectations and rebuking
| concern about a possible recession.
|
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
| ... <https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985>
--bks
BillB you ignorant lying dumbass. It's not factoring in any real inflation numbers, only the ginned up phony numbers the govt wants to see, you idiot ignoramus. Plus, as Rich points out, The govt spending like hell on military and couterfeiting dollarsYou imbecile. Only the NOMINAL GDP grew....adjust it for inflation and we're contracting.^^ talking out his ass again
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:03:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:dollars and handing them out did quite a bit to fake GDP. But, as we can see by the savings chart(go ahead and show us those, dumbass) savings rates of americans has dropped off the charts...as has consumer spending. So, ya go ahead and fake GDP with
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:18:37 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:30:47 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| U.S. economic growth accelerated over three months ending
| in June, blowing past economist expectations and rebuking
| concern about a possible recession.
|
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
| ... <https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985>
--bks
BillB you ignorant lying dumbass. It's not factoring in any real inflation numbers, only the ginned up phony numbers the govt wants to see, you idiot ignoramus. Plus, as Rich points out, The govt spending like hell on military and couterfeitingYou imbecile. Only the NOMINAL GDP grew....adjust it for inflation and we're contracting.^^ talking out his ass again
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
LOL...we're back to "all economic data that proves me wrong is fake".
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:03:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:dollars and handing them out did quite a bit to fake GDP. But, as we can see by the savings chart(go ahead and show us those, dumbass) savings rates of americans has dropped off the charts...as has consumer spending. So, ya go ahead and fake GDP with
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:18:37 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:30:47 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| U.S. economic growth accelerated over three months ending
| in June, blowing past economist expectations and rebuking
| concern about a possible recession.
|
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
| ... <https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985>
--bks
BillB you ignorant lying dumbass. It's not factoring in any real inflation numbers, only the ginned up phony numbers the govt wants to see, you idiot ignoramus. Plus, as Rich points out, The govt spending like hell on military and couterfeitingYou imbecile. Only the NOMINAL GDP grew....adjust it for inflation and we're contracting.^^ talking out his ass again
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
LOL...we're back to "all economic data that proves me wrong is fake"
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:16:47 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:dollars and handing them out did quite a bit to fake GDP. But, as we can see by the savings chart(go ahead and show us those, dumbass) savings rates of americans has dropped off the charts...as has consumer spending. So, ya go ahead and fake GDP with
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:03:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:18:37 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:30:47 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| U.S. economic growth accelerated over three months ending
| in June, blowing past economist expectations and rebuking
| concern about a possible recession.
|
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
| ... <https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985>
--bks
BillB you ignorant lying dumbass. It's not factoring in any real inflation numbers, only the ginned up phony numbers the govt wants to see, you idiot ignoramus. Plus, as Rich points out, The govt spending like hell on military and couterfeitingYou imbecile. Only the NOMINAL GDP grew....adjust it for inflation and we're contracting.^^ talking out his ass again
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
.
LOL...we're back to "all economic data that proves me wrong is fake".
And he still can't tell us where his $1.5 million bachelor pad is...
LOL!
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 4:12:46 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:dollars and handing them out did quite a bit to fake GDP. But, as we can see by the savings chart(go ahead and show us those, dumbass) savings rates of americans has dropped off the charts...as has consumer spending. So, ya go ahead and fake GDP with
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:16:47 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:03:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:18:37 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:30:47 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| U.S. economic growth accelerated over three months ending
| in June, blowing past economist expectations and rebuking
| concern about a possible recession.
|
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
| ... <https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985>
--bks
BillB you ignorant lying dumbass. It's not factoring in any real inflation numbers, only the ginned up phony numbers the govt wants to see, you idiot ignoramus. Plus, as Rich points out, The govt spending like hell on military and couterfeitingYou imbecile. Only the NOMINAL GDP grew....adjust it for inflation and we're contracting.^^ talking out his ass again https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
..
LOL...we're back to "all economic data that proves me wrong is fake".
And he still can't tell us where his $1.5 million bachelor pad is...
LOL!Would love to see you sell your shitbox in the desert for $500K right now. Hilarious.
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:04:07 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:dollars and handing them out did quite a bit to fake GDP. But, as we can see by the savings chart(go ahead and show us those, dumbass) savings rates of americans has dropped off the charts...as has consumer spending. So, ya go ahead and fake GDP with
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 4:12:46 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:16:47 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:03:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:18:37 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:30:47 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| U.S. economic growth accelerated over three months ending
| in June, blowing past economist expectations and rebuking
| concern about a possible recession.
|
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
| ... <https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985>
--bks
BillB you ignorant lying dumbass. It's not factoring in any real inflation numbers, only the ginned up phony numbers the govt wants to see, you idiot ignoramus. Plus, as Rich points out, The govt spending like hell on military and couterfeitingYou imbecile. Only the NOMINAL GDP grew....adjust it for inflation and we're contracting.^^ talking out his ass again https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
..
LOL...we're back to "all economic data that proves me wrong is fake".
And he still can't tell us where his $1.5 million bachelor pad is...
.LOL!Would love to see you sell your shitbox in the desert for $500K right now. Hilarious.
We'll take that as another, "I *** can't show my $1.5 million bachelor pad *** because I lied, once again."
LOL! You are SO fucking easy... Run, boy, run...
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:04:07 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:dollars and handing them out did quite a bit to fake GDP. But, as we can see by the savings chart(go ahead and show us those, dumbass) savings rates of americans has dropped off the charts...as has consumer spending. So, ya go ahead and fake GDP with
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 4:12:46 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:16:47 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:03:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:18:37 PM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 10:30:47 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
|
| U.S. economic growth accelerated over three months ending
| in June, blowing past economist expectations and rebuking
| concern about a possible recession.
|
| The U.S. gross domestic product grew by a 2.4% annualized
| rate to finish the first half of 2023, according to
| government data released Thursday.
| ... <https://abcnews.go.com/Business/us-economy-expected-grown-slowed-dispelling-recession-fears/story?id=101664985>
--bks
BillB you ignorant lying dumbass. It's not factoring in any real inflation numbers, only the ginned up phony numbers the govt wants to see, you idiot ignoramus. Plus, as Rich points out, The govt spending like hell on military and couterfeitingYou imbecile. Only the NOMINAL GDP grew....adjust it for inflation and we're contracting.^^ talking out his ass again https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
..
LOL...we're back to "all economic data that proves me wrong is fake".
And he still can't tell us where his $1.5 million bachelor pad is...
.LOL!Would love to see you sell your shitbox in the desert for $500K right now. Hilarious.
We'll take that as another, "I *** can't show my $1.5 million bachelor pad *** because I lied, once again."
LOL! You are SO fucking easy... Run, boy, run...
| ...
| And yet when I look at how the U.S. economy is doing right
| now, I find it difficult to describe it in terms that allow
| me to avoid sounding like a shill. I know lots of Americans
| still think the economy is doing poorly, and are upset
| about that. But when I look at objective measures, I just
| can't rationalize that negative viewpoint. Because as far
| as I can tell from the actual numbers, this economy is
| doing really, really well.
| ...
<https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/if-this-is-a-bad-economy-please-tell>
--bks
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:04:05 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
| ...
| And yet when I look at how the U.S. economy is doing right
| now, I find it difficult to describe it in terms that allow
| me to avoid sounding like a shill. I know lots of Americans
| still think the economy is doing poorly, and are upset
| about that. But when I look at objective measures, I just
| can't rationalize that negative viewpoint. Because as far
| as I can tell from the actual numbers, this economy is
| doing really, really well.
| ...
<https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/if-this-is-a-bad-economy-please-tell>
--bks
And, that's what data shows as the average net worth of Americans is negative right now.
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:04:05 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:spinning it as positive. Plus, Imagine what this economy would look like if we didn't put $32Trillion on the credit card. I can go give anyone an unlimited credit card and they can pretend their economy is going pretty well, too, until they hit the
| ...
| And yet when I look at how the U.S. economy is doing right
| now, I find it difficult to describe it in terms that allow
| me to avoid sounding like a shill. I know lots of Americans
| still think the economy is doing poorly, and are upset
| about that. But when I look at objective measures, I just
| can't rationalize that negative viewpoint. Because as far
| as I can tell from the actual numbers, this economy is
| doing really, really well.
| ...
<https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/if-this-is-a-bad-economy-please-tell>
--bksNot sure what numbers he's looking at, but he's a moron. Revenue numbers can go up via inflation while the actual commerce goes down. And, that's what data shows as the average net worth of Americans is negative right now...so I don't see how he's
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:53:50 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
| ...
| American employers added 187,000 jobs last month, the Labor
| Department reported on Friday, a figure that exceeded the
| flow of people entering the labor market. The unemployment
| rate sank back to 3.5 percent, near a record low.
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/08/04/business/jobs-report-july-economy>
Not the correct interpretation.
...
| ...
| American employers added 187,000 jobs last month, the Labor
| Department reported on Friday, a figure that exceeded the
| flow of people entering the labor market. The unemployment
| rate sank back to 3.5 percent, near a record low.
| ... <https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/08/04/business/jobs-report-july-economy>
--bks
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
...
Bullshit. Your statement of "facts" was a lame attempt to imply
narratives and I called bullshit on it.
...
"attempt to imply narratives"? That pegged the bullshit-o-meter.
--bkmoron
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:53:50 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> | ...
| American employers added 187,000 jobs last month, the Labor
| Department reported on Friday, a figure that exceeded the
| flow of people entering the labor market. The unemployment
| rate sank back to 3.5 percent, near a record low.
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/08/04/business/jobs-report-july-economy>
Not the correct interpretation.
...
What "interpretation"? A simple statement of facts makes
Trumpling head explode. Twas ever thus.
It is true though that simple arithemetic says Biden
can't go on creating more jobs forever. At some point
he would run out of people! But so far Bidenomics is
stellar.
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
...
Bullshit. Your statement of "facts" was a lame attempt to imply
narratives and I called bullshit on it.
...
"attempt to imply narratives"? That pegged the bullshit-o-meter.
--bks
...
Bullshit. Your statement of "facts" was a lame attempt to imply
narratives and I called bullshit on it.
...
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:.
...
Bullshit. Your statement of "facts" was a lame attempt to imply
narratives and I called bullshit on it.
...
"attempt to imply narratives"? That pegged the bullshit-o-meter.
--bks
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:23:55 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:ever have an original thought of your own?
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
...
Bullshit. Your statement of "facts" was a lame attempt to imply >narratives and I called bullshit on it.
...
"attempt to imply narratives"? That pegged the bullshit-o-meter.
--bkmoron
Now who is pegging the bullshit-o-meter. You obviously come in here with an agenda every time you cut and paste your bullshit NYT government narrative tripe. Do you just spend your entire life being brainwashed with the official messaging or do you
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:07:35 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> > Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.
Well, what Bradley doesn't also understand is the SPR oil releases of 10M barrels of day is keeping oil prices down...and
energy IS inflation...imagine what happens when Biden admin has to stop releasing oil Inflation will go crazy.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote: >> Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:07:35 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
--bks
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.Well, what Bradley doesn't also understand is the SPR oil releases of 10M barrels of day is keeping oil prices down...and energy IS inflation...imagine what happens when Biden admin has to stop releasing oil Inflation will go crazy.
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:07:35 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.
Well, what Bradley doesn't also understand is the SPR oil releases of 10M barrels of day is keeping oil prices down...andMy first mortgage, in the early 80's was 12.75%. Today, according
energy IS inflation...imagine what happens when Biden admin has to stop releasing oil Inflation will go crazy.
to Mr. Google, they're at about 7.75%. Go figure.
As to oil, you can blame the Republicans for not refilling
the reserve when prices were low as they cancelled a
proposed 140,000,000 barrel purchase last December with
their budget kabuki. The idea that the GOP is better
at the economy has been disproved time after time.
--bks
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:result? I'm really curious what happens this Aug22.....will BRICS try to blindside the West with a gold backed currency?
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:07:35 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.
Well, what Bradley doesn't also understand is the SPR oil releases of 10M barrels of day is keeping oil prices down...andMy first mortgage, in the early 80's was 12.75%. Today, according
energy IS inflation...imagine what happens when Biden admin has to stop releasing oil Inflation will go crazy.
to Mr. Google, they're at about 7.75%. Go figure.
As to oil, you can blame the Republicans for not refilling
the reserve when prices were low as they cancelled a
proposed 140,000,000 barrel purchase last December with
their budget kabuki. The idea that the GOP is better
at the economy has been disproved time after time.
--bksI call instant bullshit. It was the Biden admin that refused to restock the spr: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/biden-administration-cancels-offer-for-6m-barrels-to-refill-strategic-petroleum-reserve
Also, the only thing the Dems are better at is using the nations credit card to give the illusion of improving economy. GOP has probs too, but that's the Deep State globalist element that also controls the DEM party.
Regarding the interest rates you paid in the 80's, sort of a non-sequitor. Are you saying everyone should enjoy these rates because they are lower the last time we were taken off the gold standard and inflation went batshit when the USD devalued as a
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:58:09 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:result? I'm really curious what happens this Aug22.....will BRICS try to blindside the West with a gold backed currency?
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:07:35 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.
Well, what Bradley doesn't also understand is the SPR oil releases of 10M barrels of day is keeping oil prices down...andMy first mortgage, in the early 80's was 12.75%. Today, according
energy IS inflation...imagine what happens when Biden admin has to stop releasing oil Inflation will go crazy.
to Mr. Google, they're at about 7.75%. Go figure.
As to oil, you can blame the Republicans for not refilling
the reserve when prices were low as they cancelled a
proposed 140,000,000 barrel purchase last December with
their budget kabuki. The idea that the GOP is better
at the economy has been disproved time after time.
--bksI call instant bullshit. It was the Biden admin that refused to restock the spr: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/biden-administration-cancels-offer-for-6m-barrels-to-refill-strategic-petroleum-reserve
Also, the only thing the Dems are better at is using the nations credit card to give the illusion of improving economy. GOP has probs too, but that's the Deep State globalist element that also controls the DEM party.
Regarding the interest rates you paid in the 80's, sort of a non-sequitor. Are you saying everyone should enjoy these rates because they are lower the last time we were taken off the gold standard and inflation went batshit when the USD devalued as a
Here are some of the data: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/26/fact-sheet-department-of-energy-releases-new-notice-of-sale-as-gasoline-prices-continue-to-fall/
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:.
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:07:35 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.
Well, what Bradley doesn't also understand is the SPR oil releases of 10M barrels of day is keeping oil prices down...andMy first mortgage, in the early 80's was 12.75%. Today, according
energy IS inflation...imagine what happens when Biden admin has to stop releasing oil Inflation will go crazy.
to Mr. Google, they're at about 7.75%. Go figure.
As to oil, you can blame the Republicans for not refilling
the reserve when prices were low as they cancelled a
proposed 140,000,000 barrel purchase last December with
their budget kabuki. The idea that the GOP is better
at the economy has been disproved time after time.
--bks
I call instant bullshit. It was the Biden admin that refused to restock the spr: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/biden-administration-cancels-offer-for-6m-barrels-to-refill-strategic-petroleum-reserve
Also, the only thing the Dems are better at is using the nations credit card to give the illusion of improving
economy.
GOP has probs too, but that's the Deep State globalist element that also controls the DEM party.
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:59:53 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:a result? I'm really curious what happens this Aug22.....will BRICS try to blindside the West with a gold backed currency?
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:58:09 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:07:35 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote: >> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.
Well, what Bradley doesn't also understand is the SPR oil releases of 10M barrels of day is keeping oil prices down...andMy first mortgage, in the early 80's was 12.75%. Today, according
energy IS inflation...imagine what happens when Biden admin has to stop releasing oil Inflation will go crazy.
to Mr. Google, they're at about 7.75%. Go figure.
As to oil, you can blame the Republicans for not refilling
the reserve when prices were low as they cancelled a
proposed 140,000,000 barrel purchase last December with
their budget kabuki. The idea that the GOP is better
at the economy has been disproved time after time.
--bksI call instant bullshit. It was the Biden admin that refused to restock the spr: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/biden-administration-cancels-offer-for-6m-barrels-to-refill-strategic-petroleum-reserve
Also, the only thing the Dems are better at is using the nations credit card to give the illusion of improving economy. GOP has probs too, but that's the Deep State globalist element that also controls the DEM party.
Regarding the interest rates you paid in the 80's, sort of a non-sequitor. Are you saying everyone should enjoy these rates because they are lower the last time we were taken off the gold standard and inflation went batshit when the USD devalued as
from the SPR and the Saudis and Russians know it? Oil prices will rocket and we'll get that 2nd wave of inflation...a much higher wave of inflation. Furthermore. since we learn more and more just how dishonest our own government is and how they try toHere are some of the data: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/26/fact-sheet-department-of-energy-releases-new-notice-of-sale-as-gasoline-prices-continue-to-fall/That's not "data". That's a generalized summation. What's missing from all this is how the SPR is being used to manipulate politics and also affect inflation at home. Cheap energy means lower inflation. Imagine what happens when they can no longer draw
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:52:21 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:as a result? I'm really curious what happens this Aug22.....will BRICS try to blindside the West with a gold backed currency?
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:59:53 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:58:09 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:07:35 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.
Well, what Bradley doesn't also understand is the SPR oil releases of 10M barrels of day is keeping oil prices down...andMy first mortgage, in the early 80's was 12.75%. Today, according
energy IS inflation...imagine what happens when Biden admin has to stop releasing oil Inflation will go crazy.
to Mr. Google, they're at about 7.75%. Go figure.
As to oil, you can blame the Republicans for not refilling
the reserve when prices were low as they cancelled a
proposed 140,000,000 barrel purchase last December with
their budget kabuki. The idea that the GOP is better
at the economy has been disproved time after time.
--bksI call instant bullshit. It was the Biden admin that refused to restock the spr: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/biden-administration-cancels-offer-for-6m-barrels-to-refill-strategic-petroleum-reserve
Also, the only thing the Dems are better at is using the nations credit card to give the illusion of improving economy. GOP has probs too, but that's the Deep State globalist element that also controls the DEM party.
Regarding the interest rates you paid in the 80's, sort of a non-sequitor. Are you saying everyone should enjoy these rates because they are lower the last time we were taken off the gold standard and inflation went batshit when the USD devalued
draw from the SPR and the Saudis and Russians know it? Oil prices will rocket and we'll get that 2nd wave of inflation...a much higher wave of inflation. Furthermore. since we learn more and more just how dishonest our own government is and how they tryHere are some of the data: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/26/fact-sheet-department-of-energy-releases-new-notice-of-sale-as-gasoline-prices-continue-to-fall/That's not "data". That's a generalized summation. What's missing from all this is how the SPR is being used to manipulate politics and also affect inflation at home. Cheap energy means lower inflation. Imagine what happens when they can no longer
Way to change the subject. Don't you claim to be a lawyer? You said that the government was releasing 10 million barrels a day. Support that, or admit that you were just making it up.
|
| Inflation gauge rose 3.2% annually in July, less than
| expected
| ...
<https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/10/cpi-inflation-july-2023-.html>
--bks
...
| Inflation gauge rose 3.2% annually in July, less than...
| expected
Don't forget to point out that their method for calculating inflation is >constantly changing to give them the desired results and inflation as >originally calculated puts inflation much higher. ...
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:.
...
| Inflation gauge rose 3.2% annually in July, less than...
| expected
Don't forget to point out that their method for calculating inflation is >constantly changing to give them the desired results and inflation as >originally calculated puts inflation much higher. ...
Sure, Jack, we believe you.
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:21:51 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:devalued as a result? I'm really curious what happens this Aug22.....will BRICS try to blindside the West with a gold backed currency?
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:52:21 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:59:53 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:58:09 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:31:28 AM UTC-7, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
jack roth <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:07:35 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
Inflation down to 3%, Wages up 4%, S&P500 up 17% YTD.
Poppy must be so depressed to see things going so well
for the USA.
This thread was just in time to announce mortgage rates hit a 23-year high.
Well, what Bradley doesn't also understand is the SPR oil releases of 10M barrels of day is keeping oil prices down...andMy first mortgage, in the early 80's was 12.75%. Today, according to Mr. Google, they're at about 7.75%. Go figure.
energy IS inflation...imagine what happens when Biden admin has to stop releasing oil Inflation will go crazy.
As to oil, you can blame the Republicans for not refilling
the reserve when prices were low as they cancelled a
proposed 140,000,000 barrel purchase last December with
their budget kabuki. The idea that the GOP is better
at the economy has been disproved time after time.
--bksI call instant bullshit. It was the Biden admin that refused to restock the spr: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/biden-administration-cancels-offer-for-6m-barrels-to-refill-strategic-petroleum-reserve
Also, the only thing the Dems are better at is using the nations credit card to give the illusion of improving economy. GOP has probs too, but that's the Deep State globalist element that also controls the DEM party.
Regarding the interest rates you paid in the 80's, sort of a non-sequitor. Are you saying everyone should enjoy these rates because they are lower the last time we were taken off the gold standard and inflation went batshit when the USD
draw from the SPR and the Saudis and Russians know it? Oil prices will rocket and we'll get that 2nd wave of inflation...a much higher wave of inflation. Furthermore. since we learn more and more just how dishonest our own government is and how they tryHere are some of the data: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/26/fact-sheet-department-of-energy-releases-new-notice-of-sale-as-gasoline-prices-continue-to-fall/That's not "data". That's a generalized summation. What's missing from all this is how the SPR is being used to manipulate politics and also affect inflation at home. Cheap energy means lower inflation. Imagine what happens when they can no longer
anything you say, so I encourage you to check daily on the SPR totals and see if they start releasing again and you can claim to the world I was making it up when I said I'm not sure they are releasing anything this week. Some day, maybe you should checkWay to change the subject. Don't you claim to be a lawyer? You said that the government was releasing 10 million barrels a day. Support that, or admit that you were just making it up.I've never once claimed to be a lawyer. Perhaps that was Mossingen. I mean 10m/bbl a week for a while....mistyped day instead and didn't check. I'm not sure they are releasing anything this week. But, you sound rather desperate to find any error in
How real do you want to get? This month we are spinning out and bottling honey, then later slaughtering chickens.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:00:37 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:stay right here a mile away from a dozen defense contractors knowing full well I'll be taken out with the first nukes. I don't want to live in any world where I can't go out and stiff a poker dealer.
How real do you want to get? This month we are spinning out and bottling honey, then later slaughtering chickens.You don't value your time much, do you? And, that's not how the real world works in the USA at the moment....maybe after the nukes hit. And, I've thought about that, too. I don't give two shits about living in a post nuclear war world, so I'm going to
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:55:30 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:to stay right here a mile away from a dozen defense contractors knowing full well I'll be taken out with the first nukes. I don't want to live in any world where I can't go out and stiff a poker dealer.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:00:37 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
How real do you want to get? This month we are spinning out and bottling honey, then later slaughtering chickens.You don't value your time much, do you? And, that's not how the real world works in the USA at the moment....maybe after the nukes hit. And, I've thought about that, too. I don't give two shits about living in a post nuclear war world, so I'm going
I value my time a great deal. I am retired, and mostly do what I want to, when I want, except for the multitude of doctor, dentist and vet
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:55:30 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:stay right here a mile away from a dozen defense contractors knowing full well I'll be taken out with the first nukes. I don't want to live in any world where I can't go out and stiff a poker dealer.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:00:37 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
How real do you want to get? This month we are spinning out and bottling honey, then later slaughtering chickens.You don't value your time much, do you? And, that's not how the real world works in the USA at the moment....maybe after the nukes hit. And, I've thought about that, too. I don't give two shits about living in a post nuclear war world, so I'm going to
I value my time a great deal. I am retired, and mostly do what I want to, when I want, except for the multitude of doctor, dentist and vet appointments.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:35:18 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:to stay right here a mile away from a dozen defense contractors knowing full well I'll be taken out with the first nukes. I don't want to live in any world where I can't go out and stiff a poker dealer.
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:55:30 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:00:37 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
How real do you want to get? This month we are spinning out and bottling honey, then later slaughtering chickens.You don't value your time much, do you? And, that's not how the real world works in the USA at the moment....maybe after the nukes hit. And, I've thought about that, too. I don't give two shits about living in a post nuclear war world, so I'm going
I value my time a great deal. I am retired, and mostly do what I want to, when I want, except for the multitude of doctor, dentist and vetMake sure you are keeping your blood pressure in check if you find yourself needing a lot of dental work. A simple prescription for amlodipine might save you some dentist bills.
Similarly, does anyone really think Ft Knox still has all that gold?
1. No one ever sees anywhere but the one "show room"
2. Bars in the show room were actually identified as being owned by
foreign governments 3.Ft Knox has recently had their windows all boarded
up as though it's been closed down... most importantly, why are repeated calls for an audit of Ft Knox being ignored?
On August 8, jack roth wrote:
Similarly, does anyone really think Ft Knox still has all that gold?WHO CARES?
1. No one ever sees anywhere but the one "show room"
2. Bars in the show room were actually identified as being owned by
foreign governments 3.Ft Knox has recently had their windows all boarded up as though it's been closed down... most importantly, why are repeated calls for an audit of Ft Knox being ignored?
Maybe there's a hole in the earth with some yellow metal.
Or maybe there isn't. Or maybe it gets moved from one hole
to another. Or maybe the hole contains boron.
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
Or maybe Hunter Biden lifted the metal, and exchanged it
for Federal Reserve notes. That might have a tangible
effect... but you're unable to say why -
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Rich
Similarly, does anyone really think Ft Knox still has all that gold?
... and we're in the Fourth Turning ... if the fear isn't starting to set in, you are dumb.
On August 12, jack roth wrote:
Similarly, does anyone really think Ft Knox still has all that gold?
... and we're in the Fourth Turning ... if the fear isn't starting to set in, you are dumb.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wwnorm/7958074974
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Rich
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