• TOKING is Bullshit.

    From jack roth@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 19 18:28:37 2023
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or will
    she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot cocktail
    waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.

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  • From Irish Mike@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri May 19 20:24:20 2023
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or will
    she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot cocktail
    waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.

    "One toke over the line, sweet Jesus
    One toke over the line"

    Irish Mike

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Irish Mike on Fri May 19 21:01:36 2023
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:24:24 PM UTC-7, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or will
    she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot cocktail
    waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.
    "One toke over the line, sweet Jesus
    One toke over the line"

    Irish Mike

    I'm gonna drag this group back to the subject of poker and vegas kicking and screaming. Almost 30 years ago, I personally made this group into something big. Wow, did it fade.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat May 20 07:04:42 2023
    On 5/19/2023 11:01 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:24:24 PM UTC-7, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or will
    she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot cocktail
    waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.
    "One toke over the line, sweet Jesus
    One toke over the line"

    Irish Mike

    I'm gonna drag this group back to the subject of poker and vegas kicking and screaming. Almost 30 years ago, I personally made this group into something big. Wow, did it fade.

    Something true followed by the Mav fake-brag followed by something true.

    All on an original subject on which his reputation precedes him.

    Overtoking is not a problem ... toking is totally voluntary ... some
    folks just do not want to toke at all. Their business ... increase the
    rake to pay the dealers what they make voluntarily ... is that what
    "everyone" should want? Even Jerry tokes ... it is to his credit.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Sat May 20 07:17:10 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 5:06:58 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/19/2023 11:01 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:24:24 PM UTC-7, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or
    will she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot
    cocktail waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.
    "One toke over the line, sweet Jesus
    One toke over the line"

    Irish Mike

    I'm gonna drag this group back to the subject of poker and vegas kicking and screaming. Almost 30 years ago, I personally made this group into something big. Wow, did it fade.
    Something true followed by the Mav fake-brag followed by something true.

    All on an original subject on which his reputation precedes him.

    Overtoking is not a problem ... toking is totally voluntary ... some
    folks just do not want to toke at all. Their business ... increase the
    rake to pay the dealers what they make voluntarily ... is that what "everyone" should want? Even Jerry tokes ... it is to his credit.
    .

    Steve Winn started forcing his dealers to split tips with the Floor Managers. “The dealers make way more than the Managers.” The Dealers wouldn’t have it and decided organize; and did. Wynn, who isn’t particularly smart in this area. It was a
    long battle.

    https://www.casino.org/news/judge-takes-five-minutes-to-rule-on-wynn-dealer-tip-case/

    I mostly play poker on line (WSOP) and at Red Rock. I can call ahead and reserve a seat; and an occasional turny at Binion’s on Sunday ($10k guaranteed, I believe), because a big football game will shrink the players and the $10k odds are in my favor.

    Bear’s Best is about a par 5 from my house. Played a couple of times with a friend that lived at the Ridges, but reservations are a bitch.

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  • From Irish Mike@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat May 20 12:11:02 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 12:01:41 AM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:24:24 PM UTC-7, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or
    will she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot
    cocktail waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.
    "One toke over the line, sweet Jesus
    One toke over the line"

    Irish Mike
    I'm gonna drag this group back to the subject of poker and vegas kicking and screaming. Almost 30 years ago, I personally made this group into something big. Wow, did it fade.

    I've been on RGP for more than 20 years and have watched it's decline,
    as have most of the veteran members. If you can get the main focus
    of this group back to poker, you'll be a hero - and a miracle worker!

    Best luck.

    Irish Mike

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Irish Mike on Sun May 21 07:20:24 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 12:11:06 PM UTC-7, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 12:01:41 AM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:24:24 PM UTC-7, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:28:41 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or
    will she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot
    cocktail waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.
    "One toke over the line, sweet Jesus
    One toke over the line"

    Irish Mike
    .
    I'm gonna drag this group back to the subject of poker and vegas kicking and screaming. Almost 30
    years ago, I personally made this group into something big. Wow, did it fade.

    Heh. False ego much?
    .
    .

    I've been on RGP for more than 20 years and have watched it's decline,
    as have most of the veteran members. If you can get the main focus
    of this group back to poker, you'll be a hero - and a miracle worker!
    .

    How's he doing so far?


    Best luck.

    Irish Mike

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu May 25 10:32:32 2023
    On May 19, jack roth wrote:
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has
    any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.


    Increase the rake. Problem solved.

    --
    Rich

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to RichD on Thu May 25 15:29:31 2023
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 10:32:36 AM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On May 19, jack roth wrote:
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has
    any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Increase the rake. Problem solved.

    --
    Rich

    See, that's the thing....they did increase the rake....and gave none of it to the employees. BTW, it's those of you who actually toke who should be arguing for this as it'll force those who don't toke to pay part of their compensation in the form of
    higher rake. My only concern is everyone pays taxes on their incomes and we all know damn well those who get toked aren't paying their fair share...in fact, the underreporting and the small nominal wage means they often get EIC money back from the Feds.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu May 25 16:49:06 2023
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 10:32:36 AM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On May 19, jack roth wrote:
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has
    any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Increase the rake. Problem solved.

    --
    Rich
    See, that's the thing....they did increase the rake....and gave none of it to the employees. BTW, it's those of you who actually toke who should be arguing for this as it'll force those who don't toke to pay part of their compensation in the form of
    higher rake. My only concern is everyone pays taxes on their incomes and we all know damn well those who get toked aren't paying their fair share...in fact, the underreporting and the small nominal wage means they often get EIC money back from the Feds.
    .

    No, they're taxed on an estimate which includes tips, whether they get them or not.

    "All cash and non-cash tips an received by an employee are income and are subject to Federal income taxes. All cash tips received by an employee in any calendar month are subject to social security and Medicare taxes and must be reported to the employer."

    "If the total tips reported by all employees at your large food or beverage establishment are less than 8 percent of your gross receipts (or a lower rate approved by the IRS), you must allocate the difference between the actual tip income reported and 8
    percent of gross receipts among the employees who received tips."

    https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tip-income-is-taxable-and-must-be-reported

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Thu May 25 17:51:59 2023
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:49:09 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 10:32:36 AM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On May 19, jack roth wrote:
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has
    any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Increase the rake. Problem solved.

    --
    Rich
    See, that's the thing....they did increase the rake....and gave none of it to the employees. BTW, it's those of you who actually toke who should be arguing for this as it'll force those who don't toke to pay part of their compensation in the form of
    higher rake. My only concern is everyone pays taxes on their incomes and we all know damn well those who get toked aren't paying their fair share...in fact, the underreporting and the small nominal wage means they often get EIC money back from the Feds.
    .

    No, they're taxed on an estimate which includes tips, whether they get them or not.

    "All cash and non-cash tips an received by an employee are income and are subject to Federal income taxes. All cash tips received by an employee in any calendar month are subject to social security and Medicare taxes and must be reported to the
    employer."

    "If the total tips reported by all employees at your large food or beverage establishment are less than 8 percent of your gross receipts (or a lower rate approved by the IRS), you must allocate the difference between the actual tip income reported and
    8 percent of gross receipts among the employees who received tips."

    https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tip-income-is-taxable-and-must-be-reported

    Like I said, they aren't paying their fair share. Let's see them get toked 8% all night and see how much whining and bitching they do. Here those POSs are getting toked triple that these days. And, they are allegedly paying tax on 8%....not
    actually paying 8%.....the tax they pay is much smaller and at the lowest bracket...where they'll still qualify for EIC money. Meanwhile, all the real tokes are tax free and not counting so as for them to still qualify for food stamps, EIC rebates,
    whatever other free shit getting handed out. It's a racket. What about Strippers.....how the fuck you gonna tax strippers on those lap dances, because I know the tax man isn't getting that money....their drug dealer boyfriend is.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu May 25 23:02:30 2023
    ~ On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or will
    she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot cocktail
    waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.


    What a cheap shit.

    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to risky biz on Fri May 26 05:27:44 2023
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 11:02:34 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    ~ On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or will
    she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot cocktail
    waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.
    What a cheap shit.

    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.

    What will really make you mad is when I take all your chips and then I still don't toke the dealer.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to risky biz on Fri May 26 08:05:14 2023
    On 5/26/2023 1:02 AM, risky biz wrote:

    ~ On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or will
    she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot cocktail
    waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.


    What a cheap shit.

    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.

    I have played at his table and he is much worse than you could possibly imagine. He also is not half the player that he thinks he is. Not
    toking is not his worse characteristic ... his total character is an
    open book of blank pages of personality defects. [I apologize again for intruding. It might never happen again.]

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Fri May 26 07:24:35 2023
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 5:52:03 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:49:09 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 10:32:36 AM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On May 19, jack roth wrote:
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has
    any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Increase the rake. Problem solved.

    --
    Rich
    See, that's the thing....they did increase the rake....and gave none of it to the employees. BTW, it's those of you who actually toke who should be arguing for this as it'll force those who don't toke to pay part of their compensation in the form
    of higher rake. My only concern is everyone pays taxes on their incomes and we all know damn well those who get toked aren't paying their fair share...in fact, the underreporting and the small nominal wage means they often get EIC money back from the
    Feds.
    .

    No, they're taxed on an estimate which includes tips, whether they get them or not.

    "All cash and non-cash tips an received by an employee are income and are subject to Federal income taxes. All cash tips received by an employee in any calendar month are subject to social security and Medicare taxes and must be reported to the
    employer."

    "If the total tips reported by all employees at your large food or beverage establishment are less than 8 percent of your gross receipts (or a lower rate approved by the IRS), you must allocate the difference between the actual tip income reported
    and 8 percent of gross receipts among the employees who received tips."

    https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tip-income-is-taxable-and-must-be-reported
    .

    Like I said, they aren't paying their fair share.

    As I was attempting to point out, we (and you) don’t know.
    Some pay over, some pay under.

    .
    .
    .
    Let's see them get toked 8% all night and see how much whining and bitching they do. Here those POSs are getting toked triple that these days. And, they are allegedly paying tax on 8%....not actually paying 8%.....the tax they pay is much smaller and
    at the lowest bracket...where they'll still qualify for EIC money. Meanwhile, all the real tokes are tax free and not counting so as for them to still qualify for food stamps, EIC rebates, whatever other free shit getting handed out. It's a racket. What
    about Strippers.....how the fuck you gonna tax strippers on those lap dances, because I know the tax man isn't getting that money....their drug dealer boyfriend is.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to da pickle on Fri May 26 09:11:00 2023
    ~ On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:06:46 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 1:02 AM, risky biz wrote:

    What a cheap shit.


    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.


    ~ I have played at his table and he is much worse than you could possibly
    imagine. He also is not half the player that he thinks he is. Not
    toking is not his worse characteristic ... his total character is an
    open book of blank pages of personality defects. [I apologize again for intruding. It might never happen again.]


    You're busted, Maverick.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to da pickle on Fri May 26 16:26:50 2023
    On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:06:46 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 1:02 AM, risky biz wrote:

    ~ On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or will
    she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot
    cocktail waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.


    What a cheap shit.

    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.
    I have played at his table and he is much worse than you could possibly imagine. He also is not half the player that he thinks he is. Not
    toking is not his worse characteristic ... his total character is an
    open book of blank pages of personality defects. [I apologize again for intruding. It might never happen again.]

    WTF are you smoking, Pickle? Fake pickle? You've never played at my table.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat May 27 09:49:30 2023
    On 5/26/2023 6:26 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:06:46 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 1:02 AM, risky biz wrote:

    ~ On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or will
    she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot
    cocktail waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.


    What a cheap shit.

    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.
    I have played at his table and he is much worse than you could possibly
    imagine. He also is not half the player that he thinks he is. Not
    toking is not his worse characteristic ... his total character is an
    open book of blank pages of personality defects. [I apologize again for
    intruding. It might never happen again.]

    WTF are you smoking, Pickle? Fake pickle? You've never played at my table.

    And Coleman never went to BARGE.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to da pickle on Sat May 27 10:30:16 2023
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:50:57 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 6:26 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:06:46 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 1:02 AM, risky biz wrote:

    ~ On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or
    will she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot
    cocktail waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.


    What a cheap shit.

    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.
    I have played at his table and he is much worse than you could possibly >> imagine. He also is not half the player that he thinks he is. Not
    toking is not his worse characteristic ... his total character is an
    open book of blank pages of personality defects. [I apologize again for >> intruding. It might never happen again.]


    WTF are you smoking, Pickle? Fake pickle? You've never played at my table.

    ~ And Coleman never went to BARGE.


    LOL. Maverick can't remember it.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to risky biz on Sat May 27 11:54:51 2023
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 10:30:20 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:50:57 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 6:26 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:06:46 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 1:02 AM, risky biz wrote:

    ~ On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or
    will she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot
    cocktail waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.


    What a cheap shit.

    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.
    I have played at his table and he is much worse than you could possibly >> imagine. He also is not half the player that he thinks he is. Not
    toking is not his worse characteristic ... his total character is an
    open book of blank pages of personality defects. [I apologize again for >> intruding. It might never happen again.]


    WTF are you smoking, Pickle? Fake pickle? You've never played at my table.
    ~ And Coleman never went to BARGE.


    LOL. Maverick can't remember it.

    Again, I never met coleman. I did hear on here that he died.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to da pickle on Sat May 27 11:54:05 2023
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:50:57 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 6:26 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:06:46 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 1:02 AM, risky biz wrote:

    ~ On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or
    will she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot
    cocktail waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.


    What a cheap shit.

    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.
    I have played at his table and he is much worse than you could possibly >> imagine. He also is not half the player that he thinks he is. Not
    toking is not his worse characteristic ... his total character is an
    open book of blank pages of personality defects. [I apologize again for >> intruding. It might never happen again.]

    WTF are you smoking, Pickle? Fake pickle? You've never played at my table.
    And Coleman never went to BARGE.

    I have no idea if Coleman ever went to BARGE. I certainly never saw him.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat May 27 12:30:15 2023
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 10:30:20 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:50:57 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 6:26 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:06:46 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 1:02 AM, risky biz wrote:

    ~ On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote: >>>> Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking
    or will she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot
    cocktail waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.


    What a cheap shit.

    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.
    I have played at his table and he is much worse than you could possibly
    imagine. He also is not half the player that he thinks he is. Not
    toking is not his worse characteristic ... his total character is an >> open book of blank pages of personality defects. [I apologize again for
    intruding. It might never happen again.]


    WTF are you smoking, Pickle? Fake pickle? You've never played at my table.
    ~ And Coleman never went to BARGE.


    LOL. Maverick can't remember it.
    Again, I never met coleman. I did hear on here that he died.

    Oh wait, that was Ramashiva who purportedly died. Dunno, never met either and it's been almost a decade since I've so much as seen anyone from BARGE. It's not like any of them actually play poker. Barge morons will play their high vig tournaments and
    then maybe some of them will make a show of sitting down for a low limit ring game for a few minutes and that's it. Meanwhile, real poker players will play from whenever they show up to Commerce until about 4-5am so they can beat traffic home...which
    also serves poker players well by outlasting any follow home robbers. Two poker players have been followed home and killed in my city that I know about.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to da pickle on Sat May 27 12:59:17 2023
    On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:50:57 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 6:26 PM, jack roth wrote:
    On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:06:46 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
    On 5/26/2023 1:02 AM, risky biz wrote:

    ~ On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    Corporations have gotten away with not paying fair wages long enough. And, now they are starting to ask for tokes for everything including a 15% min tip when making a donation online.
    And, you can never toke enough despite the prices rising upon which you base those tokes.
    Robots are asking for tokes now. How does that work?
    Some places in vegas you play poker, the management wants in on the action. Are you telling me these multi-billion dollar casinos can't even pay their management a fair wage?
    The Commerce Casino makes many millions in profit each year, but that didn't stop a poker floorman from berating the entire room at 3am out loud because he had only received $27 in tokes that night. He's salary is he not?
    God forbid you go out with friends who have ever been waiters or dealers cuz they'll shame you endlessly if you aren't vastly overtoking. And what happens when you take a date out....is she thinking you are some type of chump for over toking or
    will she think you are too cheap if you don't over toke?
    Plus, toke are unfair to those with jobs who pay taxes on their full wages. And what about gender fairness...we all know male dealers don't get toked like female dealers.....and don't tell me the ugly female dealers make as much tokes as hot
    cocktail waitresses.
    Let's ban toking altogether and force companies to pay the correct wage and see if the company has any business surviving on it's own rather than via the simpish guilt ridden generosity of it's customers.
    Take your tokes and shove them up your ass.


    What a cheap shit.

    And a world-class whiner. You're what's wrong with live poker. You must be a delight to sit next to.
    I have played at his table and he is much worse than you could possibly >> imagine. He also is not half the player that he thinks he is. Not
    toking is not his worse characteristic ... his total character is an
    open book of blank pages of personality defects. [I apologize again for >> intruding. It might never happen again.]

    WTF are you smoking, Pickle? Fake pickle? You've never played at my table.
    And Coleman never went to BARGE.

    I heard Coleman/Ramashiva went to BARGE. I never met him ever. Haven't seen a single person from barge in almost a decade. It's not like any of them are actually poker players. I think I've seen two people from BARGE at Commerce casino in about the
    last 20 years. One was steve goldman when I stopped by to open a $8-16 game at lunch and get my free pepper steak meal. The other was Marc Gilutin(TheOccupant) who was forced to place his low limit Omaha8 at Commerce when the Bike got shut down for a
    bit. Heck, I've seen more hollywood celebrities there in the last 20 years than that. God knows you can't take a crowbar and pry James Woods out of his seat without at least dangling a couple bags full of deli food at him. Don Cheadle was degening
    Commerce for a while. NL game with 4, 5, 6, 7 on the board at the river and he'll call for all his chips with 66. I'm not sure Ben Affleck is even allowed to gamble any more. Someone has to tell me why a famous actor/writer/director who can literally
    print money thinks counting cards at blackjack is a good use of his time on this rock. I guess there is only so much a guy can stand being henpecked...it's like he either gets the high maintenance diva type or you get stuck with some woman obsessed with
    her church circle. No way for a guy like that to win in relationships, Ben should just buy hookers...they are cheaper and they'll leave when he's done.

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