• Giuliani Says "Jews want to go through their freaking Passover"

    From bruce bowser@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 17 19:23:43 2023
    "Jews want to go through their freaking Passover all the time, man oh man," Giuliani once said, according to the lawsuit. "Get over the Passover. It was like 3,000 years ago."

    Rudy Giuliani said Jewish people need to 'get over the Passover' because it was 'like 3,000 years ago,' adding 'the red sea parted, big deal,' lawsuit says
    Yahoo News - May 15, 2023
    -- https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-said-jewish-people-020149022.html

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Thu May 18 14:36:23 2023
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:23:47 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
    "Jews want to go through their freaking Passover all the time, man oh man," Giuliani once said, according to the lawsuit. "Get over the Passover. It was like 3,000 years ago."

    Rudy Giuliani said Jewish people need to 'get over the Passover' because it was 'like 3,000 years ago,' adding 'the red sea parted, big deal,' lawsuit says
    Yahoo News - May 15, 2023
    -- https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-said-jewish-people-020149022.html


    Are you just as quick as this to defend Christmas?

    Hint: the Red Sea didn't part and historical evidence indicates the Jews didn't flee Egypt pursued by a Pharaoh anxious to return them to a fictional slavery, they were EXCLUDED from settling in Egypt proper. It's just another victimology myth concocted
    to instill an ideology of separateness from all other people.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu May 18 14:41:47 2023
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:36:27 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:23:47 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:

    Are you just as quick as this to defend Christmas?

    Plenty of Jews celebrate Christmas.

    Hint: the Red Sea didn't part and historical evidence indicates the Jews didn't flee Egypt pursued by a Pharaoh anxious to return them to a fictional slavery, they were EXCLUDED from settling in Egypt proper. It's just another victimology myth
    concocted to instill an ideology of separateness from all other people.

    But, what you aren't accounting for is the changing tectonic plate elevation as the glaciers melted and also of the rare tidal forces that could have naturally parted the Red Sea for a bit at the time.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu May 18 16:42:19 2023
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:36:27 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:23:47 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:


    Are you just as quick as this to defend Christmas?


    ~ Plenty of Jews celebrate Christmas.


    Which has what to do with anything?


    Hint: the Red Sea didn't part and historical evidence indicates the Jews didn't flee Egypt pursued by a Pharaoh anxious to return them to a fictional slavery, they were EXCLUDED from settling in Egypt proper. It's just another victimology myth
    concocted to instill an ideology of separateness from all other people.


    ~ But, what you aren't accounting for is the changing tectonic plate elevation as the glaciers melted and also of the rare tidal forces that could have naturally parted the Red Sea for a bit at the time.


    Did it take you about 10 seconds to complete that scientific research?

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu May 18 17:15:51 2023
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 4:42:23 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:36:27 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:23:47 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:


    Are you just as quick as this to defend Christmas?
    ~ Plenty of Jews celebrate Christmas.


    Which has what to do with anything?
    Hint: the Red Sea didn't part and historical evidence indicates the Jews didn't flee Egypt pursued by a Pharaoh anxious to return them to a fictional slavery, they were EXCLUDED from settling in Egypt proper. It's just another victimology myth
    concocted to instill an ideology of separateness from all other people.
    ~ But, what you aren't accounting for is the changing tectonic plate elevation as the glaciers melted and also of the rare tidal forces that could have naturally parted the Red Sea for a bit at the time.


    Did it take you about 10 seconds to complete that scientific research?
    .

    It's part of his paranormal research...

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu May 18 17:31:54 2023
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 4:42:23 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:36:27 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:23:47 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:


    Are you just as quick as this to defend Christmas?
    ~ Plenty of Jews celebrate Christmas.


    Which has what to do with anything?
    Hint: the Red Sea didn't part and historical evidence indicates the Jews didn't flee Egypt pursued by a Pharaoh anxious to return them to a fictional slavery, they were EXCLUDED from settling in Egypt proper. It's just another victimology myth
    concocted to instill an ideology of separateness from all other people.
    ~ But, what you aren't accounting for is the changing tectonic plate elevation as the glaciers melted and also of the rare tidal forces that could have naturally parted the Red Sea for a bit at the time.


    Did it take you about 10 seconds to complete that scientific research?

    No, Something I've known about and studied for years. Cuz all those climate change nuts thinking the ocean level is rising and it isn't. It's just that the weight of the glaciers is melting causing elevations in say Canada to go up 1in per year, but
    then places like florida have been sinking 1in per year for centuries.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Thu May 18 17:36:47 2023
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:15:54 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 4:42:23 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:36:27 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:23:47 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:


    Are you just as quick as this to defend Christmas?
    ~ Plenty of Jews celebrate Christmas.


    Which has what to do with anything?
    Hint: the Red Sea didn't part and historical evidence indicates the Jews didn't flee Egypt pursued by a Pharaoh anxious to return them to a fictional slavery, they were EXCLUDED from settling in Egypt proper. It's just another victimology myth
    concocted to instill an ideology of separateness from all other people.
    ~ But, what you aren't accounting for is the changing tectonic plate elevation as the glaciers melted and also of the rare tidal forces that could have naturally parted the Red Sea for a bit at the time.


    Did it take you about 10 seconds to complete that scientific research?
    .

    It's part of his paranormal research...

    Where is your evidence dumbfuck? I've never once given any indication that I'm the slightest bit interested in paranormal. And, the fact is decades ago, Art Bell was into politics and a lot of interesting political analysis. About the only time he
    even got interested in the Paranormal was because of X-files back then, which themselves were significantly rather about Govt Conspiracy....ya know like when unknown people are controlling your presidency and they have some earpiece wearing alzheimers
    idiot puppet with a family being allowed to take payoffs such that they continue to allow this elder abuse. Ya, like what's happening now. RIP Jerry.....June is coming.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu May 18 17:58:44 2023
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:31:58 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 4:42:23 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:36:27 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:23:47 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:


    Are you just as quick as this to defend Christmas?
    ~ Plenty of Jews celebrate Christmas.


    Which has what to do with anything?
    Hint: the Red Sea didn't part and historical evidence indicates the Jews didn't flee Egypt pursued by a Pharaoh anxious to return them to a fictional slavery, they were EXCLUDED from settling in Egypt proper. It's just another victimology myth
    concocted to instill an ideology of separateness from all other people.
    ~ But, what you aren't accounting for is the changing tectonic plate elevation as the glaciers melted and also of the rare tidal forces that could have naturally parted the Red Sea for a bit at the time.


    Did it take you about 10 seconds to complete that scientific research?
    .

    No, Something I've known about and studied for years. Cuz all those climate change nuts thinking
    the ocean level is rising and it isn't.

    See what I mean, risky? Paranormal Reseach..

    LOL!


    It's just that the weight of the glaciers is melting causing elevations in say Canada to go up 1in per year, but then places like florida have been sinking 1in per year for centuries.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu May 18 18:02:18 2023
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:36:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:15:54 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 4:42:23 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:36:27 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:23:47 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:


    Are you just as quick as this to defend Christmas?
    ~ Plenty of Jews celebrate Christmas.


    Which has what to do with anything?
    Hint: the Red Sea didn't part and historical evidence indicates the Jews didn't flee Egypt pursued by a Pharaoh anxious to return them to a fictional slavery, they were EXCLUDED from settling in Egypt proper. It's just another victimology myth
    concocted to instill an ideology of separateness from all other people.
    ~ But, what you aren't accounting for is the changing tectonic plate elevation as the glaciers melted and also of the rare tidal forces that could have naturally parted the Red Sea for a bit at the time.


    Did it take you about 10 seconds to complete that scientific research?
    .

    It's part of his paranormal research...
    .

    Where is your evidence dumbfuck?

    Your own statement about your radio buddy Art Bell...
    .
    .

    I've never once given any indication that I'm the slightest bit interested in paranormal.

    Art Bell either.


    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:25:58 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    As I've repeatedly said, I haven't had TV for years, so I don't watch any news whether it's
    FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc.
    .
    (JFC you're a stupid fuck).
    .
    .
    .
    .
    And, the fact is decades ago, Art Bell was into politics and a lot of interesting political analysis. About the only time he even got interested in the Paranormal was because of X-files back then, which themselves were significantly rather about Govt
    Conspiracy....ya know like when unknown people are controlling your presidency and they have some earpiece wearing alzheimers idiot puppet with a family being allowed to take payoffs such that they continue to allow this elder abuse. Ya, like what's
    happening now. RIP Jerry.....June is coming.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to jack roth on Thu May 18 20:51:25 2023
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 5:31:58 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 4:42:23 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 2:36:27 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:23:47 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:


    Are you just as quick as this to defend Christmas?
    ~ Plenty of Jews celebrate Christmas.


    Which has what to do with anything?
    Hint: the Red Sea didn't part and historical evidence indicates the Jews didn't flee Egypt pursued by a Pharaoh anxious to return them to a fictional slavery, they were EXCLUDED from settling in Egypt proper. It's just another victimology myth
    concocted to instill an ideology of separateness from all other people.

    ~ But, what you aren't accounting for is the changing tectonic plate elevation as the glaciers melted and also of the rare tidal forces that could have naturally parted the Red Sea for a bit at the time.



    Did it take you about 10 seconds to complete that scientific research?

    ~ No, Something I've known about and studied for years. Cuz all those climate change nuts thinking the ocean level is rising and it isn't. It's just that the weight of the glaciers is melting causing elevations in say Canada to go up 1in per year, but
    then places like florida have been sinking 1in per year for centuries.


    And that all coincidentally combined to part the Red Sea the same day the Jews supposedly 'fled slavery in Egypt'? And never again since that day?

    The fact of the matter is that there was a very large Pharaonic army permanently stationed in northern Sinai which could have easily interdicted any group flight from Egypt if any such thing had ever occurred. There was no need for Pharaonic troops to
    pursue anyone across the Red Sea.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu May 18 22:44:44 2023
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    And that all coincidentally combined to part the Red Sea the same day the Jews supposedly 'fled slavery in Egypt'? And never again since that day?

    1. I never once said the bible has accurate stories...after all, the monks cherry picked and re-wrote books of the bibles many times over to their liking. But, having said that, there are a number of stories that could be based on geologic/
    metrological events that actually happened and then embellished to suit the bible. Take for instance the story of Noah's Ark and the great flood. Well, 150 different cultures have stories of great long lasting floods. But, take a geologist and you can
    see many regions of earth that show recent evidence of 2000ft tsunamis. It's been theorized and there is plenty of evidence to think a comet hit earth some thousands of years ago in human history...breaking up and hitting the earth in various places,
    not unlike Hale Bopp broke up when it hit Jupiter in the 90's. And, the comet was so large it sent vast amounts of sea water vaporized into the atmosphere which later condensed and came back to earth with weeks long devastating rains.
    2. Where have I said or anyone else said that the Red Sea Phenomena has never happened again since? Maybe the Red Sea parting was really a withdrawal of the sea waters that was noticed when the Tsunamis hit... Not saying any bible story is true, but
    there is a reason these stories come into being and THAT is perhaps related to very understandable phenomena like Comets, Meteors, earthquakes, Tsunamis, etc which do happen. After all, in my lifetime, we've had countless earthquakes, volcano eruptions,
    some meteors hit, a comet that came close and stayed in the sky for a long time, hurricanes, pandemics, droughts, famine, etc. Surely over thousands of years of human history, they had these same phenoma that generated stories for future generations
    and made it into the bible.


    The fact of the matter is that there was a very large Pharaonic army permanently stationed in northern Sinai which could have easily interdicted any group flight from Egypt if any such thing had ever occurred. There was no need for Pharaonic troops to
    pursue anyone across the Red Sea.

    1. You can't believe a god damn story in the bible.
    2. Even supposing there is some army stationed wherever, they didn't have cell phones back then....even if the story happened like it's written, there are problems with communicating in time to this interdiction force...which may have been gone anyways
    on some other task. News traveled slow back then. Even as recent as the Civil War, they still had battles being fought one month later....and we have the "Juneteenth" holiday now because it took a couple months for the news of the Civil War ending to
    reach Texas.....but you think there is some Inderdiction force in Sinai...hot ass desert..just sitting there johnny on the spot waiting to stop some jews crossing the red sea....and magically knew exactly at what point to be

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sat May 20 16:34:32 2023
    On May 18, jack roth wrote:
    I never once said the bible has accurate stories...after all, the monks cherry picked
    and re-wrote books of the bibles many times over to their liking. But, having said that,
    there are a number of stories that could be based on geologic/metrological events
    that actually happened and then embellished to suit the bible.

    Some years ago, a geologist published a study of Har Megido,
    an ancient settlement in Israel, which evidently earthquaked
    3000 years ago.

    Har Megido... Armageddon... get it?

    --
    Rich

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to RichD on Sat May 20 16:56:25 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 4:34:35 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On May 18, jack roth wrote:
    I never once said the bible has accurate stories...after all, the monks cherry picked
    and re-wrote books of the bibles many times over to their liking. But, having said that,
    there are a number of stories that could be based on geologic/metrological events
    that actually happened and then embellished to suit the bible.
    Some years ago, a geologist published a study of Har Megido,
    an ancient settlement in Israel, which evidently earthquaked
    3000 years ago.

    Har Megido... Armageddon... get it?

    --
    Rich

    The thing is there has been several times the world has ended...happens every couple thousands years....it's all cyclical...follows all the same patterns and often the same order of Conquest, Famine, Disease, Death, so to any one culture whatever
    happens to them is sorta their own armageddon, but the story still serves a lesson in that we can study how collapses unfold and how these complex societies can never seem to reform again. Sometimes calamities happen simultaneously...There's always
    earthquakes, but around 3000 years ago or so the Bible talks about the Sea People's going around destroying City States which really destroyed the entire Bronze Age and while Egypt beat them at great cost, civilization was really destroyed....I can't
    recall of Meggido was part of it, but the Sea People's did a lot of permanent destruction back around then. In Revelations, I know the bible talks about those 4 great armies....I think Magog is Russia.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sun May 21 17:52:23 2023
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 10:44:48 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    And that all coincidentally combined to part the Red Sea the same day the Jews supposedly 'fled slavery in Egypt'? And never again since that day?
    1. I never once said the bible has accurate stories...after all, the monks cherry picked and re-wrote books of the bibles many times over to their liking. But, having said that, there are a number of stories that could be based on geologic/metrological
    events that actually happened and then embellished to suit the bible. Take for instance the story of Noah's Ark and the great flood. Well, 150 different cultures have stories of great long lasting floods. But, take a geologist and you can see many
    regions of earth that show recent evidence of 2000ft tsunamis. It's been theorized and there is plenty of evidence to think a comet hit earth some thousands of years ago in human history...breaking up and hitting the earth in various places, not unlike
    Hale Bopp broke up when it hit Jupiter in the 90's. And, the comet was so large it sent vast amounts of sea water vaporized into the atmosphere which later condensed and came back to earth with weeks long devastating rains.
    2. Where have I said or anyone else said that the Red Sea Phenomena has never happened again since? Maybe the Red Sea parting was really a withdrawal of the sea waters that was noticed when the Tsunamis hit... Not saying any bible story is true, but
    there is a reason these stories come into being and THAT is perhaps related to very understandable phenomena like Comets, Meteors, earthquakes, Tsunamis, etc which do happen. After all, in my lifetime, we've had countless earthquakes, volcano eruptions,
    some meteors hit, a comet that came close and stayed in the sky for a long time, hurricanes, pandemics, droughts, famine, etc. Surely over thousands of years of human history, they had these same phenoma that generated stories for future generations and
    made it into the bible.


    The fact of the matter is that there was a very large Pharaonic army permanently stationed in northern Sinai which could have easily interdicted any group flight from Egypt if any such thing had ever occurred. There was no need for Pharaonic troops
    to pursue anyone across the Red Sea.

    1. You can't believe a god damn story in the bible.

    ~ 2. Even supposing there is some army stationed wherever, they didn't have cell phones back then....even if the story happened like it's written, there are problems with communicating in time to this interdiction force...which may have been gone anyways
    on some other task. News traveled slow back then.


    Do you think the Jews 'escaping slavery' had dirt bikes?

    The Sinai Peninsula is only about 100 miles wide at it's widest. Individuals and very small groups of natives wanted for murder have been tracked further than that out here in the desert.


    Even as recent as the Civil War, they still had battles being fought one month later....and we have the "Juneteenth" holiday now because it took a couple months for the news of the Civil War ending to reach Texas.....but you think there is some
    Inderdiction force in Sinai...hot ass desert..just sitting there johnny on the spot waiting to stop some jews crossing the red sea....and magically knew exactly at what point to be

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to risky biz on Sun May 21 18:41:07 2023
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:52:26 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 10:44:48 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    And that all coincidentally combined to part the Red Sea the same day the Jews supposedly 'fled slavery in Egypt'? And never again since that day?
    1. I never once said the bible has accurate stories...after all, the monks cherry picked and re-wrote books of the bibles many times over to their liking. But, having said that, there are a number of stories that could be based on geologic/
    metrological events that actually happened and then embellished to suit the bible. Take for instance the story of Noah's Ark and the great flood. Well, 150 different cultures have stories of great long lasting floods. But, take a geologist and you can
    see many regions of earth that show recent evidence of 2000ft tsunamis. It's been theorized and there is plenty of evidence to think a comet hit earth some thousands of years ago in human history...breaking up and hitting the earth in various places, not
    unlike Hale Bopp broke up when it hit Jupiter in the 90's. And, the comet was so large it sent vast amounts of sea water vaporized into the atmosphere which later condensed and came back to earth with weeks long devastating rains.
    2. Where have I said or anyone else said that the Red Sea Phenomena has never happened again since? Maybe the Red Sea parting was really a withdrawal of the sea waters that was noticed when the Tsunamis hit... Not saying any bible story is true, but
    there is a reason these stories come into being and THAT is perhaps related to very understandable phenomena like Comets, Meteors, earthquakes, Tsunamis, etc which do happen. After all, in my lifetime, we've had countless earthquakes, volcano eruptions,
    some meteors hit, a comet that came close and stayed in the sky for a long time, hurricanes, pandemics, droughts, famine, etc. Surely over thousands of years of human history, they had these same phenoma that generated stories for future generations and
    made it into the bible.


    The fact of the matter is that there was a very large Pharaonic army permanently stationed in northern Sinai which could have easily interdicted any group flight from Egypt if any such thing had ever occurred. There was no need for Pharaonic troops
    to pursue anyone across the Red Sea.

    1. You can't believe a god damn story in the bible.
    ~ 2. Even supposing there is some army stationed wherever, they didn't have cell phones back then....even if the story happened like it's written, there are problems with communicating in time to this interdiction force...which may have been gone
    anyways on some other task. News traveled slow back then.


    Do you think the Jews 'escaping slavery' had dirt bikes?

    Once again. I have zero idea how much of any story is the true in the Bible. I merely find it interesting when we hear old tales and can somehow find physical evidence of phenomena that support them and/or better explain evidence of the geologic
    phenomena we encounter. If you are looking for a bible thumper, I'm not your guy.

    The Sinai Peninsula is only about 100 miles wide at it's widest. Individuals and very small groups of natives wanted for murder have been tracked further than that out here in the desert.

    Romans were famous for tracking people, often via bribes, the most famous person they finally tracked down being Hannibal. But, tracking down a single person and rallying an entire military at a moments notice to hunt down, find, and defeat a moving
    army isn't the same thing. There is such a thing called logistics...and in the desert, it's an even bigger thing. A Murderer may not be able to hide very well, but an army can escape. Similarly, Spartacus was being tracked by gigantic Roman armies
    and still had every chance in the world to get away before he trapped himself. But fleeing would have been easy.

    Even as recent as the Civil War, they still had battles being fought one month later....and we have the "Juneteenth" holiday now because it took a couple months for the news of the Civil War ending to reach Texas.....but you think there is some
    Inderdiction force in Sinai...hot ass desert..just sitting there johnny on the spot waiting to stop some jews crossing the red sea....and magically knew exactly at what point to be

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to jack roth on Sun May 21 20:00:09 2023
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:41:10 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:52:26 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 10:44:48 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    And that all coincidentally combined to part the Red Sea the same day the Jews supposedly 'fled slavery in Egypt'? And never again since that day?
    1. I never once said the bible has accurate stories...after all, the monks cherry picked and re-wrote books of the bibles many times over to their liking. But, having said that, there are a number of stories that could be based on geologic/
    metrological events that actually happened and then embellished to suit the bible. Take for instance the story of Noah's Ark and the great flood. Well, 150 different cultures have stories of great long lasting floods. But, take a geologist and you can
    see many regions of earth that show recent evidence of 2000ft tsunamis. It's been theorized and there is plenty of evidence to think a comet hit earth some thousands of years ago in human history...breaking up and hitting the earth in various places, not
    unlike Hale Bopp broke up when it hit Jupiter in the 90's. And, the comet was so large it sent vast amounts of sea water vaporized into the atmosphere which later condensed and came back to earth with weeks long devastating rains.
    2. Where have I said or anyone else said that the Red Sea Phenomena has never happened again since? Maybe the Red Sea parting was really a withdrawal of the sea waters that was noticed when the Tsunamis hit... Not saying any bible story is true,
    but there is a reason these stories come into being and THAT is perhaps related to very understandable phenomena like Comets, Meteors, earthquakes, Tsunamis, etc which do happen. After all, in my lifetime, we've had countless earthquakes, volcano
    eruptions, some meteors hit, a comet that came close and stayed in the sky for a long time, hurricanes, pandemics, droughts, famine, etc. Surely over thousands of years of human history, they had these same phenoma that generated stories for future
    generations and made it into the bible.


    The fact of the matter is that there was a very large Pharaonic army permanently stationed in northern Sinai which could have easily interdicted any group flight from Egypt if any such thing had ever occurred. There was no need for Pharaonic
    troops to pursue anyone across the Red Sea.

    1. You can't believe a god damn story in the bible.
    ~ 2. Even supposing there is some army stationed wherever, they didn't have cell phones back then....even if the story happened like it's written, there are problems with communicating in time to this interdiction force...which may have been gone
    anyways on some other task. News traveled slow back then.


    Do you think the Jews 'escaping slavery' had dirt bikes?
    Once again. I have zero idea how much of any story is the true in the Bible. I merely find it interesting when we hear old tales and can somehow find physical evidence of phenomena that support them and/or better explain evidence of the geologic
    phenomena we encounter. If you are looking for a bible thumper, I'm not your guy.

    The Sinai Peninsula is only about 100 miles wide at it's widest. Individuals and very small groups of natives wanted for murder have been tracked further than that out here in the desert.
    Romans were famous for tracking people, often via bribes, the most famous person they finally tracked down being Hannibal. But, tracking down a single person and rallying an entire military at a moments notice to hunt down, find, and defeat a moving
    army isn't the same thing. There is such a thing called logistics...and in the desert, it's an even bigger thing. A Murderer may not be able to hide very well, but an army can escape. Similarly, Spartacus was being tracked by gigantic Roman armies and
    still had every chance in the world to get away before he trapped himself. But fleeing would have been easy.
    Even as recent as the Civil War, they still had battles being fought one month later....and we have the "Juneteenth" holiday now because it took a couple months for the news of the Civil War ending to reach Texas.....but you think there is some
    Inderdiction force in Sinai...hot ass desert..just sitting there johnny on the spot waiting to stop some jews crossing the red sea....and magically knew exactly at what point to be

    If I recall correctly, Spartacus was heading for a port to get out of Italy.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Sun May 21 20:29:21 2023
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 8:00:18 PM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:41:10 PM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:52:26 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 10:44:48 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    And that all coincidentally combined to part the Red Sea the same day the Jews supposedly 'fled slavery in Egypt'? And never again since that day?
    1. I never once said the bible has accurate stories...after all, the monks cherry picked and re-wrote books of the bibles many times over to their liking. But, having said that, there are a number of stories that could be based on geologic/
    metrological events that actually happened and then embellished to suit the bible. Take for instance the story of Noah's Ark and the great flood. Well, 150 different cultures have stories of great long lasting floods. But, take a geologist and you can
    see many regions of earth that show recent evidence of 2000ft tsunamis. It's been theorized and there is plenty of evidence to think a comet hit earth some thousands of years ago in human history...breaking up and hitting the earth in various places, not
    unlike Hale Bopp broke up when it hit Jupiter in the 90's. And, the comet was so large it sent vast amounts of sea water vaporized into the atmosphere which later condensed and came back to earth with weeks long devastating rains.
    2. Where have I said or anyone else said that the Red Sea Phenomena has never happened again since? Maybe the Red Sea parting was really a withdrawal of the sea waters that was noticed when the Tsunamis hit... Not saying any bible story is true,
    but there is a reason these stories come into being and THAT is perhaps related to very understandable phenomena like Comets, Meteors, earthquakes, Tsunamis, etc which do happen. After all, in my lifetime, we've had countless earthquakes, volcano
    eruptions, some meteors hit, a comet that came close and stayed in the sky for a long time, hurricanes, pandemics, droughts, famine, etc. Surely over thousands of years of human history, they had these same phenoma that generated stories for future
    generations and made it into the bible.


    The fact of the matter is that there was a very large Pharaonic army permanently stationed in northern Sinai which could have easily interdicted any group flight from Egypt if any such thing had ever occurred. There was no need for Pharaonic
    troops to pursue anyone across the Red Sea.

    1. You can't believe a god damn story in the bible.
    ~ 2. Even supposing there is some army stationed wherever, they didn't have cell phones back then....even if the story happened like it's written, there are problems with communicating in time to this interdiction force...which may have been gone
    anyways on some other task. News traveled slow back then.


    Do you think the Jews 'escaping slavery' had dirt bikes?
    Once again. I have zero idea how much of any story is the true in the Bible. I merely find it interesting when we hear old tales and can somehow find physical evidence of phenomena that support them and/or better explain evidence of the geologic
    phenomena we encounter. If you are looking for a bible thumper, I'm not your guy.

    The Sinai Peninsula is only about 100 miles wide at it's widest. Individuals and very small groups of natives wanted for murder have been tracked further than that out here in the desert.
    Romans were famous for tracking people, often via bribes, the most famous person they finally tracked down being Hannibal. But, tracking down a single person and rallying an entire military at a moments notice to hunt down, find, and defeat a moving
    army isn't the same thing. There is such a thing called logistics...and in the desert, it's an even bigger thing. A Murderer may not be able to hide very well, but an army can escape. Similarly, Spartacus was being tracked by gigantic Roman armies and
    still had every chance in the world to get away before he trapped himself. But fleeing would have been easy.
    Even as recent as the Civil War, they still had battles being fought one month later....and we have the "Juneteenth" holiday now because it took a couple months for the news of the Civil War ending to reach Texas.....but you think there is some
    Inderdiction force in Sinai...hot ass desert..just sitting there johnny on the spot waiting to stop some jews crossing the red sea....and magically knew exactly at what point to be
    If I recall correctly, Spartacus was heading for a port to get out of Italy.

    There are multiple versions out there including the movie versions you refer. But, for a time Spartacus was home free heading North. Several versions exist as to why he headed South, but when you are home free in the North any other option seems silly,
    IMO.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon May 22 02:10:21 2023
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:52:26 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 10:44:48 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    And that all coincidentally combined to part the Red Sea the same day the Jews supposedly 'fled slavery in Egypt'? And never again since that day?
    1. I never once said the bible has accurate stories...after all, the monks cherry picked and re-wrote books of the bibles many times over to their liking. But, having said that, there are a number of stories that could be based on geologic/
    metrological events that actually happened and then embellished to suit the bible. Take for instance the story of Noah's Ark and the great flood. Well, 150 different cultures have stories of great long lasting floods. But, take a geologist and you can
    see many regions of earth that show recent evidence of 2000ft tsunamis. It's been theorized and there is plenty of evidence to think a comet hit earth some thousands of years ago in human history...breaking up and hitting the earth in various places, not
    unlike Hale Bopp broke up when it hit Jupiter in the 90's. And, the comet was so large it sent vast amounts of sea water vaporized into the atmosphere which later condensed and came back to earth with weeks long devastating rains.
    2. Where have I said or anyone else said that the Red Sea Phenomena has never happened again since? Maybe the Red Sea parting was really a withdrawal of the sea waters that was noticed when the Tsunamis hit... Not saying any bible story is true,
    but there is a reason these stories come into being and THAT is perhaps related to very understandable phenomena like Comets, Meteors, earthquakes, Tsunamis, etc which do happen. After all, in my lifetime, we've had countless earthquakes, volcano
    eruptions, some meteors hit, a comet that came close and stayed in the sky for a long time, hurricanes, pandemics, droughts, famine, etc. Surely over thousands of years of human history, they had these same phenoma that generated stories for future
    generations and made it into the bible.


    The fact of the matter is that there was a very large Pharaonic army permanently stationed in northern Sinai which could have easily interdicted any group flight from Egypt if any such thing had ever occurred. There was no need for Pharaonic
    troops to pursue anyone across the Red Sea.

    1. You can't believe a god damn story in the bible.
    ~ 2. Even supposing there is some army stationed wherever, they didn't have cell phones back then....even if the story happened like it's written, there are problems with communicating in time to this interdiction force...which may have been gone
    anyways on some other task. News traveled slow back then.


    Do you think the Jews 'escaping slavery' had dirt bikes?
    Once again. I have zero idea how much of any story is the true in the Bible. I merely find it interesting when we hear old tales and can somehow find physical evidence of phenomena that support them and/or better explain evidence of the geologic
    phenomena we encounter. If you are looking for a bible thumper, I'm not your guy.


    The Sinai Peninsula is only about 100 miles wide at it's widest. Individuals and very small groups of natives wanted for murder have been tracked further than that out here in the desert.


    ~ Romans were famous for tracking people, often via bribes, the most famous person they finally tracked down being Hannibal. But, tracking down a single person and rallying an entire military at a moments notice to hunt down, find, and defeat a moving
    army isn't the same thing. There is such a thing called logistics...and in the desert, it's an even bigger thing.


    What a load of diversionary nonsense. Egyptian armies fought as far away as northern Syria many times. Finding a bunch of stragglers (NOT an 'army') in Sinai would be child's play. The desert is easier. All you have to know is where the waterholes are.


    ~ A Murderer may not be able to hide very well, but an army can escape.


    An individual is easier to find than an 'army'? As Jimmy Durante said, you 'have a million of 'em'.


    Similarly, Spartacus was being tracked by gigantic Roman armies and still had every chance in the world to get away before he trapped himself. But fleeing would have been easy.
    Even as recent as the Civil War, they still had battles being fought one month later....and we have the "Juneteenth" holiday now because it took a couple months for the news of the Civil War ending to reach Texas.....but you think there is some
    Inderdiction force in Sinai...hot ass desert..just sitting there johnny on the spot waiting to stop some jews crossing the red sea....and magically knew exactly at what point to be.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to risky biz on Tue May 23 01:04:00 2023
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 2:10:25 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:52:26 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 10:44:48 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    And that all coincidentally combined to part the Red Sea the same day the Jews supposedly 'fled slavery in Egypt'? And never again since that day?
    1. I never once said the bible has accurate stories...after all, the monks cherry picked and re-wrote books of the bibles many times over to their liking. But, having said that, there are a number of stories that could be based on geologic/
    metrological events that actually happened and then embellished to suit the bible. Take for instance the story of Noah's Ark and the great flood. Well, 150 different cultures have stories of great long lasting floods. But, take a geologist and you can
    see many regions of earth that show recent evidence of 2000ft tsunamis. It's been theorized and there is plenty of evidence to think a comet hit earth some thousands of years ago in human history...breaking up and hitting the earth in various places, not
    unlike Hale Bopp broke up when it hit Jupiter in the 90's. And, the comet was so large it sent vast amounts of sea water vaporized into the atmosphere which later condensed and came back to earth with weeks long devastating rains.
    2. Where have I said or anyone else said that the Red Sea Phenomena has never happened again since? Maybe the Red Sea parting was really a withdrawal of the sea waters that was noticed when the Tsunamis hit... Not saying any bible story is true,
    but there is a reason these stories come into being and THAT is perhaps related to very understandable phenomena like Comets, Meteors, earthquakes, Tsunamis, etc which do happen. After all, in my lifetime, we've had countless earthquakes, volcano
    eruptions, some meteors hit, a comet that came close and stayed in the sky for a long time, hurricanes, pandemics, droughts, famine, etc. Surely over thousands of years of human history, they had these same phenoma that generated stories for future
    generations and made it into the bible.


    The fact of the matter is that there was a very large Pharaonic army permanently stationed in northern Sinai which could have easily interdicted any group flight from Egypt if any such thing had ever occurred. There was no need for Pharaonic
    troops to pursue anyone across the Red Sea.

    1. You can't believe a god damn story in the bible.
    ~ 2. Even supposing there is some army stationed wherever, they didn't have cell phones back then....even if the story happened like it's written, there are problems with communicating in time to this interdiction force...which may have been gone
    anyways on some other task. News traveled slow back then.


    Do you think the Jews 'escaping slavery' had dirt bikes?
    Once again. I have zero idea how much of any story is the true in the Bible. I merely find it interesting when we hear old tales and can somehow find physical evidence of phenomena that support them and/or better explain evidence of the geologic
    phenomena we encounter. If you are looking for a bible thumper, I'm not your guy.


    The Sinai Peninsula is only about 100 miles wide at it's widest. Individuals and very small groups of natives wanted for murder have been tracked further than that out here in the desert.
    ~ Romans were famous for tracking people, often via bribes, the most famous person they finally tracked down being Hannibal. But, tracking down a single person and rallying an entire military at a moments notice to hunt down, find, and defeat a moving
    army isn't the same thing. There is such a thing called logistics...and in the desert, it's an even bigger thing.


    What a load of diversionary nonsense. Egyptian armies fought as far away as northern Syria many times. Finding a bunch of stragglers (NOT an 'army') in Sinai would be child's play. The desert is easier. All you have to know is where the waterholes are.

    Once again you prove to be a blithering uneducated idiot. Maybe these days you can talk about a watering hole, but ever heard of the Lebanon Cedar? It's on their flag. You see back then the climate was a bit different. Furthermore, what month did
    they flee? Not like everyone is fleeing in a hot desert at the worst time of the year. The fled in spring. Even if Vegas, March and April are pretty mild.. Oh, and obviously, you don't know jack shit about logistics. You see, you can maybe send
    out fast scouts in various directions to find out where they are at, but then even if they find that fleeing army, they still have to return to relay the info...that takes time....meanwhile, they are still fleeing...and now maybe in a different direction.
    ..and if now you expect to rally your entire army to give chase? Holy shit that's a lot harder than you think.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue May 23 10:27:36 2023
    ~ On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 1:04:04 AM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:


    What a load of diversionary nonsense. Egyptian armies fought as far away as northern Syria many times. Finding a bunch of stragglers (NOT an 'army') in Sinai would be child's play. The desert is easier. All you have to know is where the waterholes
    are.


    ~ Once again you prove to be a blithering uneducated idiot. Maybe these days you can talk about a watering hole, but ever heard of the Lebanon Cedar? It's on their flag. You see back then the climate was a bit different. Furthermore, what month did they
    flee? Not like everyone is fleeing in a hot desert at the worst time of the year. The fled in spring. Even if Vegas, March and April are pretty mild.. Oh, and obviously, you don't know jack shit about logistics. You see, you can maybe send out fast
    scouts in various directions to find out where they are at, but then even if they find that fleeing army, they still have to return to relay the info...that takes time....meanwhile, they are still fleeing...and now maybe in a different direction...and if
    now you expect to rally your entire army to give chase? Holy shit that's a lot harder than you think.


    I've had enough of your peripatetic nonsense for one thread.

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue May 23 10:25:07 2023
    On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:04:04 AM UTC-4, jack roth wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 2:10:25 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 5:52:26 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 10:44:48 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:51:29 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
    And that all coincidentally combined to part the Red Sea the same day the Jews supposedly 'fled slavery in Egypt'? And never again since that day?
    1. I never once said the bible has accurate stories...after all, the monks cherry picked and re-wrote books of the bibles many times over to their liking. But, having said that, there are a number of stories that could be based on geologic/
    metrological events that actually happened and then embellished to suit the bible. Take for instance the story of Noah's Ark and the great flood. Well, 150 different cultures have stories of great long lasting floods. But, take a geologist and you can
    see many regions of earth that show recent evidence of 2000ft tsunamis. It's been theorized and there is plenty of evidence to think a comet hit earth some thousands of years ago in human history...breaking up and hitting the earth in various places, not
    unlike Hale Bopp broke up when it hit Jupiter in the 90's. And, the comet was so large it sent vast amounts of sea water vaporized into the atmosphere which later condensed and came back to earth with weeks long devastating rains.
    2. Where have I said or anyone else said that the Red Sea Phenomena has never happened again since? Maybe the Red Sea parting was really a withdrawal of the sea waters that was noticed when the Tsunamis hit... Not saying any bible story is true,
    but there is a reason these stories come into being and THAT is perhaps related to very understandable phenomena like Comets, Meteors, earthquakes, Tsunamis, etc which do happen. After all, in my lifetime, we've had countless earthquakes, volcano
    eruptions, some meteors hit, a comet that came close and stayed in the sky for a long time, hurricanes, pandemics, droughts, famine, etc. Surely over thousands of years of human history, they had these same phenoma that generated stories for future
    generations and made it into the bible.


    The fact of the matter is that there was a very large Pharaonic army permanently stationed in northern Sinai which could have easily interdicted any group flight from Egypt if any such thing had ever occurred. There was no need for Pharaonic
    troops to pursue anyone across the Red Sea.

    1. You can't believe a god damn story in the bible.
    ~ 2. Even supposing there is some army stationed wherever, they didn't have cell phones back then....even if the story happened like it's written, there are problems with communicating in time to this interdiction force...which may have been gone
    anyways on some other task. News traveled slow back then.


    Do you think the Jews 'escaping slavery' had dirt bikes?
    Once again. I have zero idea how much of any story is the true in the Bible. I merely find it interesting when we hear old tales and can somehow find physical evidence of phenomena that support them and/or better explain evidence of the geologic
    phenomena we encounter. If you are looking for a bible thumper, I'm not your guy.


    The Sinai Peninsula is only about 100 miles wide at it's widest. Individuals and very small groups of natives wanted for murder have been tracked further than that out here in the desert.
    ~ Romans were famous for tracking people, often via bribes, the most famous person they finally tracked down being Hannibal. But, tracking down a single person and rallying an entire military at a moments notice to hunt down, find, and defeat a
    moving army isn't the same thing. There is such a thing called logistics...and in the desert, it's an even bigger thing.


    What a load of diversionary nonsense. Egyptian armies fought as far away as northern Syria many times. Finding a bunch of stragglers (NOT an 'army') in Sinai would be child's play. The desert is easier. All you have to know is where the waterholes
    are.
    Once again you prove to be a blithering uneducated idiot. Maybe these days you can talk about a watering hole, but ever heard of the Lebanon Cedar? It's on their flag. You see back then the climate was a bit different. Furthermore, what month did they
    flee? Not like everyone is fleeing in a hot desert at the worst time of the year. The fled in spring. Even if Vegas, March and April are pretty mild.. Oh, and obviously, you don't know jack shit about logistics. You see, you can maybe send out fast
    scouts in various directions to find out where they are at, but then even if they find that fleeing army, they still have to return to relay the info...that takes time....meanwhile, they are still fleeing...and now maybe in a different direction...and if
    now you expect to rally your entire army to give chase? Holy shit that's a lot harder than you think.

    They couldn't find them in 40 years?

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 23 11:36:45 2023
    ~ On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:25:10 AM UTC-7, Tim Norfolk wrote:

    ~ They couldn't find them in 40 years?


    LOL. 'logistics', logistics'.

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