• Re: Debt Limit Meeting Ends Without a Breakthrough (NYTimes)

    From jack roth@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Sun May 14 22:35:12 2023
    On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 5:03:43 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    Debt Limit Meeting Ends Without a Breakthrough (NYTimes)

    President Biden and congressional leaders met at
    the White House with the country possibly just
    weeks from default, and they agreed to meet
    again on Friday. “I didn’t see any new movement,”
    Speaker Kevin McCarthy told reporters afterward.

    [More at NYTimes]

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    So how did McCarty’s negotiations go?

    Discussed was:

    The debt was increased three times during the Trump administration without being held hostage.

    The national debt went up 40% under Trump.

    National Debt went up over 100% under Obama.

    Our country’s nations debt, from the beginning of our country, increased 25% during the Trump administration.

    It increased much higher of a percentage under Obama.


    A default would lose 8 million Americans their jobs.

    Retirement accounts would drop a huge amount.

    The Biden administration reduced the national debt by $1.7 trillion in his first 2-years.

    This is an outright perversion of lies. National Debt was $27T in 2020.....in 2023 Biden has jacked it up to $31.4T and it's about to balloon much higher...Biden did that. But Jerry will never show his evidence.


    Biden’s new budget reduces the national debt another $3 trillion.

    That's pure fiction. Show your evidence, Jerry you lying bullshit artist. Oh, and let's be clear....reducing the increases doesn't reduce the debt....in fact, they aren't even talking about debt....they are talking about deficit...and it's still
    bullshit.


    Biden’s budget reduces $200 billion by letting Medicare negotiate drug prices. (That Republicans caused).

    How about you just let us import our meds from Canada or other countries who somehow get the drugs at much lower prices.

    Last year Biden reduced it $160 billion by reducing insulin prices for those on Medicare. (That Republican made).

    Biden’s budget cuts $30 billion in Big Oil tax subsidies (that made $200 billion in profits).

    Biden’s budget increases the number of IRS agents in order to audit the billionaires.

    This is a full on lie. The MASSIVE billions in increased IRS spending isn't at all for billionaires who all properly lawyer up...it's to get everyone for their $600 transactions and crypto profits. They'll even tell you that.;
    No wonder you don't show your work here.


    McCarthy proposed deep cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, veteran’s benefits and 30,000 law enforcement agents (FBI, Border Agents, police, DEA, Teachers, etc.)

    Show your evidence rather than some generic melting pot of cuts. We could save $100B/yr if we got rid of the CIA....maybe billions more if we got rid of the FBI....wouldn't have to cut medicare or medicaid.


    President Biden to McCarty; we’ll discuss budgets after you raise the debt ceiling.

    “Three of the four in the meeting were cordial.” McCarty call President Biden a liar.”

    Biden constantly lies...and even you know that Jerry.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Mon May 15 11:31:09 2023
    On Sunday, May 14, 2023 at 10:35:15 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 5:03:43 PM UTC-7, VegasJerry wrote:
    Debt Limit Meeting Ends Without a Breakthrough (NYTimes)

    President Biden and congressional leaders met at
    the White House with the country possibly just
    weeks from default, and they agreed to meet
    again on Friday. “I didn’t see any new movement,”
    Speaker Kevin McCarthy told reporters afterward.

    [More at NYTimes]

    ________________

    So how did McCarty’s negotiations go?

    Discussed was:

    The debt was increased three times during the Trump administration without being held hostage.

    The national debt went up 40% under Trump.
    National Debt went up over 100% under Obama.

    Our country’s nations debt, from the beginning of our country, increased 25% during the Trump administration.
    .

    It increased much higher of a percentage under Obama.

    No, it did NOT, and you can’t show that it did.
    JFC! You think that posting lies and bullshit works?

    .
    .
    A default would lose 8 million Americans their jobs.

    Retirement accounts would drop a huge amount.

    The Biden administration reduced the national debt by $1.7 trillion in his first 2-years.
    .

    This is an outright perversion of lies.

    Like what you just posted? I posted documented fact.
    You post FOX bullshit that you can’t back. Watch:

    Show that it’s a lie….

    **** LOL Knew you couldn’t ****
    .
    .


    National Debt was $27T in 2020.....in 2023 Biden has jacked it up to $31.4T and it's about to balloon
    much higher...Biden did that. But Jerry will never show his evidence.
    .

    Bad try, dipshit. It’s up to YOU to show “Biden jack it up.”
    SHOW US. Show us where you got that information.
    .
    .


    Biden’s new budget reduces the national debt another $3 trillion.
    .

    That's pure fiction.

    Really? SHOW US. Biden SHOWED that bill.
    .
    .

    Oh, and let's be clear....reducing the increases doesn't reduce the debt....in fact, they aren't
    even talking about debt....they are talking about deficit...and it's still bullshit.

    Wrong again, idiot. It’s another case of **** Knew you couldn’t show ***
    .
    .

    Biden’s budget reduces $200 billion by letting Medicare negotiate drug prices. (That Republicans caused).
    .
    How about you just let us import our meds from Canada or other countries who somehow get the drugs at
    much lower prices.

    Jesus Fucking Christ! THAT is the law that Republican George Bush#2 put in place. They very law the Biden negotiated in the FUCKING LINE ABOVE!

    Are you trying to bluff ME, you fool? I’m the one that keeps rubbing your nose in your own ignorance.
    I did it above:

    It increased much higher of a percentage under Obama.”

    See? You fucking idiot?
    .
    .

    Last year Biden reduced it $160 billion by reducing insulin prices for those on Medicare. (That Republican made).

    Biden’s budget cuts $30 billion in Big Oil tax subsidies (that made $200 billion in profits).

    Biden’s budget increases the number of IRS agents in order to audit the billionaires.
    .

    This is a full on lie.
    .

    LOL! “Full on?” Wow. So you’re saying that part of the bill is a lie? SHOW US!
    .

    (I love doing this. You are SO fucking easy….)
    .

    The MASSIVE billions in increased IRS spending isn't at all for billionaires who all properly lawyer up...i

    LOL! What did you get that? QAnon? FOX? Breitbart News? OANN? Facebook? Twitter? Newsmax?

    So where DID your phony source say the bill directed that money to?

    **** (Watch this space LOL!) ****
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    .

    It's to get everyone for their $600 transactions and crypto profits.

    See? (I love bitch slapping this fool. It makes my Monday)
    .
    .

    They'll even tell you that.;
    No wonder you don't show your work here.

    Yea, that’s YOU that can’t show.

    .

    McCarthy proposed deep cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, veteran’s benefits and 30,000 law enforcement
    agents (FBI, Border Agents, police, DEA, Teachers, etc.)
    .

    Show your evidence rather than some generic melting pot of cuts.

    Heh. You’re about ten *** SHOW US *** behind, asshole.
    .


    We could save $100B/yr if we got rid of the CIA....maybe ….

    “Maybe” you better keep running, asshole; I’ll only embarrass your more….
    .


    billions more if we got rid of the FBI....wouldn't have to cut medicare or medicaid.
    .

    You just said they wouldn’t be cut!

    See? Embarrassed you again. Keep running, dipshit…
    .

    President Biden to McCarty; we’ll discuss budgets after you raise the debt ceiling.

    “Three of the four in the meeting were cordial.” McCarty call President Biden a liar.”
    .

    Biden constantly lies...

    SHOW US!

    See? Embarrassed your again.

    (God DAMN this is fun…)

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  • From Bradley K. Sherman@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 22 14:38:02 2023
    |
    | Why Trump Wants U.S. to Default on Debt
    |
    | Late last week, amid the on-again/off-again White House
    | negotiations with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy on raising
    | the debt ceiling, Donald Trump lobbed a grenade. Knowing
    | full well that President Joe Biden won't simply cave, Trump
    | urged Republicans to allow a default "unless they get
    | everything they want. Do not fold!!!"
    | ...
    <https://www.thebulwark.com/why-trump-wants-u-s-to-default-on-debt/>

    Byron Donalds [R-FL] on _Meet The Press_:
    |
    | DONALDS: Trump said the debt ceiling shouldn't be used as a
    | negotiating wedge when he was president, and when asked why
    | he's not saying that now, he said because he's not
    | president.
    |
    | TODD: Do you realize how absurd that sounds?
    |
    | [50-second video at URL]
    |
    <https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1660287242261213186>

    --bks

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