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    From RichD@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 11:12:33 2023
    What is a grand jury?
    And what's the opposite - a humble jury?

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    Rich

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to RichD on Tue Apr 4 13:17:23 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 2:12:37 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
    What is a grand jury?
    And what's the opposite - a humble jury?

    --
    Rich

    Petit Jury.
    Not a French scholar, I guess.

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to RichD on Tue Apr 4 14:49:06 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 11:12:37 AM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    What is a grand jury?
    And what's the opposite - a humble jury?

    --
    Rich

    When a DA wants to charge someone and needs the political cover to do it, he'll present evidence to a Grand Jury. The grand jury only gets to hear the DA's side, thus making it so easy to charge someone, they say a Grand Jury can indict a ham sandwich.
    That's what happened here...and the case is SO IMMORAL, the grand jury, who only needs a bare majority to charge Trump, still almost didn't charge him until the judge presiding over the grand jury practically forced them to agree to charge him. It was
    a sick, perverse act that is totally unjust and should scare everyone because now they'll be able to go after anyone....conservative DA's could have every single democrat in congress charged like it was nothing, but those people will still be bankrupted
    having to hire a defense team.

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Apr 4 14:59:58 2023
    On April 4, jack roth wrote:
    What is a grand jury?
    And what's the opposite - a humble jury?

    When a DA wants to charge someone and needs the political cover to do it, he'll
    present evidence to a Grand Jury. The grand jury only gets to hear the DA's side,
    thus making it so easy to charge someone, they say a Grand Jury can indict a ham sandwich. That's what happened here...and the case is SO IMMORAL, the grand
    jury, who only needs a bare majority to charge Trump, still almost didn't charge him
    until the judge presiding over the grand jury practically forced them to agree to charge him.

    I mean, ten thousand people get arrested every day
    in the Land of the Unfree. They get hauled into court,
    and charged. No grand jury.

    So what's the procedure to "convene" this doohickey?

    --
    Rich

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  • From jack roth@21:1/5 to RichD on Tue Apr 4 15:16:28 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 3:00:02 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On April 4, jack roth wrote:
    What is a grand jury?
    And what's the opposite - a humble jury?

    When a DA wants to charge someone and needs the political cover to do it, he'll
    present evidence to a Grand Jury. The grand jury only gets to hear the DA's side,
    thus making it so easy to charge someone, they say a Grand Jury can indict a
    ham sandwich. That's what happened here...and the case is SO IMMORAL, the grand
    jury, who only needs a bare majority to charge Trump, still almost didn't charge him
    until the judge presiding over the grand jury practically forced them to agree to charge him.
    I mean, ten thousand people get arrested every day
    in the Land of the Unfree. They get hauled into court,
    and charged. No grand jury.

    So what's the procedure to "convene" this doohickey?

    --
    Rich

    I think they are bullshit. It's just a way to guarantee you can force someone to bankrupt themselves defending themselves. While we're at it, let's get rid of no-knock warrants and all civil forfeiture. And, let's get rid of Citizens United decision
    so wrongly ruled on by the Ruling Class Supreme Court for their ruling class freinds in the Deep State so they could buy all politicians of both parties. And, don't forget about getting rid of the Patriot Act which absolutely destroyed our Bill of Rights.
    We live in a fucked up world these days Welcome to the Fourth Turning. May we all survive it.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to RichD on Tue Apr 4 16:43:52 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 3:00:02 PM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    On April 4, jack roth wrote:
    What is a grand jury?
    And what's the opposite - a humble jury?

    When a DA wants to charge someone and needs the political cover to do it, he'll
    present evidence to a Grand Jury. The grand jury only gets to hear the DA's side,
    thus making it so easy to charge someone, they say a Grand Jury can indict a
    ham sandwich. That's what happened here...and the case is SO IMMORAL, the grand
    jury, who only needs a bare majority to charge Trump, still almost didn't charge him
    until the judge presiding over the grand jury practically forced them to agree to charge him.
    I mean, ten thousand people get arrested every day
    in the Land of the Unfree. They get hauled into court,
    and charged. No grand jury.

    A defendant has a constitutional right to a grand jury (which is basically a preliminary hearing) for all felony prosecutions at the federal level and in many states (including NY). The defendant can waive that right if he or she is so inclined.

    So what's the procedure to "convene" this doohickey?

    --
    Rich

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to jack roth on Tue Apr 4 17:29:19 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 2:49:10 PM UTC-7, jack roth wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 11:12:37 AM UTC-7, RichD wrote:
    What is a grand jury?
    And what's the opposite - a humble jury?

    --
    Rich
    .

    When a DA wants to charge someone and needs the political cover to do it, he'll present
    evidence to a Grand Jury.
    .

    Heh. Moron jack, showing he don't know shit about law either...

    .
    .



    The grand jury only gets to hear the DA's side, thus making it so easy to charge someone, they say a Grand Jury can indict a ham sandwich. That's what happened here...and the case is SO IMMORAL, the grand jury, who only needs a bare majority to charge
    Trump, still almost didn't charge him until the judge presiding over the grand jury practically forced them to agree to charge him. It was a sick, perverse act that is totally unjust and should scare everyone because now they'll be able to go after
    anyone....conservative DA's could have every single democrat in congress charged like it was nothing, but those people will still be bankrupted having to hire a defense team.

    See?

    If you can be convicted there,
    You can be convicted anywhere,
    It's up to you,
    New York, New York

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