.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

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On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

You are not the only person to consider that possibility.

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"Tim Norfolk" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as
sophisticated as we've thought?

You are not the only person to consider that possibility.

____________


That was my first thought. Why the hell would a presumably sophisticated superpower like China use old fashioned balloons for that purpose? Makes no sense, unless the assumption that they are a sophisticated superpower is erroneous.

Or, perhaps they are three moves ahead and figured that they could just fly those balloons and collect data and no one would take them seriously and let them do it, which is pretty much what happened.

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On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:21:40 PM UTC-8, Mossingen wrote:

"Tim Norfolk" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

You are not the only person to consider that possibility.
____________

~ That was my first thought. Why the hell would a presumably sophisticated

superpower like China use old fashioned balloons for that purpose? Makes no sense, unless the assumption that they are a sophisticated superpower is erroneous.

Or, perhaps they are three moves ahead and figured that they could just fly those balloons and collect data and no one would take them seriously and let them do it, which is pretty much what happened.

Some comments made by our officials indicate that there was an altitude gap in surveillance which was beefed up when Biden took office. Maybe the PRC had taken a few nibbles earlier to test it, didn't get any kickback, and then went all-in. But they didn'
t know about the new, enhanced coverage and got caught red-handed.

I saw one article averring that lower altitude surveillance has some distinct advantages over the best satellite surveillance but I discounted it because it was poorly written.

I find it disturbing that they seem to have known about the gaps in the first place. Who is selling us out?

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On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

Odds are it was a weather balloon used to gin up support for the war with China. Since Biden wants WWIII he wants to include China of course. No problem, just another trillion for the Military Industrial Complex.

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

Odds are it was a weather balloon used to gin up support for the war with China. Since Biden wants WWIII he wants to include China of course. No problem, just another trillion for the Military Industrial Complex.

I crossed the border the other day and the border guard asked me if I had any alcohol or firearms. I said, "No alcohol, no firearms and no balloons." First time I actually got a chuckle out of those guys. lol

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 1:48:07 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

Odds are it was a weather balloon used to gin up support for the war with China. Since Biden wants WWIII he wants to include China of course. No problem, just another trillion for the Military Industrial Complex.

I crossed the border the other day and the border guard asked me if I had any alcohol or firearms. I said, "No alcohol, no firearms and no balloons." First time I actually got a chuckle out of those guys. lol

That's funny

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On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:28:11 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

.

No, they needed close up to see if they cold tell which silos were real and which were fake. And for the
photograph to change their missile targeting from GPS to photo when we blocked the GPS. (Same as our
artillery targeting in Ukraine).

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On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:21:40 PM UTC-8, Mossingen wrote:

"Tim Norfolk" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

You are not the only person to consider that possibility.
____________

That was my first thought. Why the hell would a presumably sophisticated superpower like China use old fashioned balloons for that purpose? Makes no sense, unless the assumption that they are a sophisticated superpower is erroneous.

Or, perhaps they are three moves ahead and figured that they could just fly those balloons and collect data and no one would take them seriously and let them do it, which is pretty much what happened.

.

I sent this Letter to the Editor to our local right wing newspaper:

Having been in Naval Intelligence, we learn that shooting down a balloon gets you nothing. It’s like catching a spy in our country and shooting or arresting him. You gain nothing, they just send a new spy. You flip him or spy on the spy, like we did on
this balloon. Then you learn something.

We spied on the balloon to see where it was going. (Notice that our military didn't tell Trump about his 3 Ballones, because that idiot would shoot them down without getting the information and then probably start a war). We followed while a U2 circled
it, intercepting radio transmissions from it. We learned it was heading for our missile silos, probably to get close pictures for their intercontinental missiles for Visual Targeting. (They know their incoming missile will have GPS signals scrambled and
blocked; so the missile will switch from GPS to video targeting, as done with Ukraine’s new artillery).

The balloon’s navigation is like our hobby balloons. We change altitude to find air moving in the desired direction. When the spy balloon headed for our silos the U2 jammed the GPS signals so it couldn’t read its direction. Unable to navigate, it
missed its targets and lost its mission. We didn’t shoot it down because a water splash would put out fires and cool any melting, and possibily stop the explosion) . How do we know it contained explosives?

Counterintelligence tradecraft. We incase our equipment with thermite packs. (Just like on the USS Pueblo) and explosives. We knew if we simply shot a hole in the balloon, allowing it to slowly descend, keeping the package intact, it will still activate (
by altitude trigger – like skydivers do - or attempting to open the package) the thermite packs to melt all frequency crystals, mother boards, and memory; then explode to spread all the melted stuff.

By having our aircraft shoot a missile and hit the package (not just puncture the balloon) direct, it spread the equipment out and possibly not trigger the melting thermite or trigger explosives. Doing it over shallow water, we might capture some
fragments of their equipment that will tell us something.

HTH

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:11:04 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:21:40 PM UTC-8, Mossingen wrote:

"Tim Norfolk" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

You are not the only person to consider that possibility.
____________

~ That was my first thought. Why the hell would a presumably sophisticated

superpower like China use old fashioned balloons for that purpose? Makes no
sense, unless the assumption that they are a sophisticated superpower is erroneous.

Or, perhaps they are three moves ahead and figured that they could just fly
those balloons and collect data and no one would take them seriously and let
them do it, which is pretty much what happened.

Some comments made by our officials indicate that there was an altitude gap in surveillance which was beefed up when Biden took office. Maybe the PRC had taken a few nibbles earlier to test it, didn't get any kickback, and then went all-in. But they

didn't know about the new, enhanced coverage and got caught red-handed.

I saw one article averring that lower altitude surveillance has some distinct advantages over the best satellite surveillance but I discounted it because it was poorly written.

I find it disturbing that they seem to have known about the gaps in the first place. Who is selling us out?

Who made up that we have "Altitude gaps?"

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:11:19 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:28:11 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

.

~ No, they needed close up to see if they cold tell which silos were real and which were fake. And for the

photograph to change their missile targeting from GPS to photo when we blocked the GPS. (Same as our
artillery targeting in Ukraine).

We don't have 'fake' missile silos. We have more missiles than silos and they have quite a few less missiles than silos.

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

~ Odds are it was a weather balloon used to gin up support for the war with China. Since Biden wants WWIII he wants to include China of course. No problem, just another trillion for the Military Industrial Complex.


It has been determined days ago that it wasn't a weather balloon.

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

.

Odds are it was a weather balloon used to gin up support for the war with China. Since Biden wants WWIII ...

.

Stopped reading (and started laughing at puked-up FOX bullshit).
(LOL at anybody believing Biden wants WW3).
.
.
.

he wants to include China of course. No problem, just another trillion for the Military Industrial Complex.

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:23:47 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:11:19 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:28:11 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

.

~ No, they needed close up to see if they cold tell which silos were real and which were fake. And for the

photograph to change their missile targeting from GPS to photo when we blocked the GPS. (Same as our
artillery targeting in Ukraine).

.

We don't have 'fake' missile silos. We have more missiles than silos and they have quite a few less missiles than silos.

Well the Chinese will be glad to hear that. Saves them sending another balloon. And they can know their targeting
will be true.

..

Oh, by the way, how is it you have knowledge of this classified information?

.

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:11:04 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:21:40 PM UTC-8, Mossingen wrote:

"Tim Norfolk" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

You are not the only person to consider that possibility.
____________

~ That was my first thought. Why the hell would a presumably sophisticated

superpower like China use old fashioned balloons for that purpose? Makes no
sense, unless the assumption that they are a sophisticated superpower is erroneous.

Or, perhaps they are three moves ahead and figured that they could just fly
those balloons and collect data and no one would take them seriously and let
them do it, which is pretty much what happened.

Some comments made by our officials indicate that there was an altitude gap in surveillance which was beefed up when Biden took office. Maybe the PRC had taken a few nibbles earlier to test it, didn't get any kickback, and then went all-in. But they

didn't know about the new, enhanced coverage and got caught red-handed.

I saw one article averring that lower altitude surveillance has some distinct advantages over the best satellite surveillance but I discounted it because it was poorly written.

I find it disturbing that they seem to have known about the gaps in the first place. Who is selling us out?

~ Who made up that we have "Altitude gaps?"


Try reading the newspaper that you have a subscription to.

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:27:19 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:22:49 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 12:11:04 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:21:40 PM UTC-8, Mossingen wrote:

"Tim Norfolk" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:28:11 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

You are not the only person to consider that possibility.
____________

~ That was my first thought. Why the hell would a presumably sophisticated

superpower like China use old fashioned balloons for that purpose? Makes no
sense, unless the assumption that they are a sophisticated superpower is
erroneous.

Or, perhaps they are three moves ahead and figured that they could just fly
those balloons and collect data and no one would take them seriously and let
them do it, which is pretty much what happened.

Some comments made by our officials indicate that there was an altitude gap in surveillance which was beefed up when Biden took office. Maybe the PRC had taken a few nibbles earlier to test it, didn't get any kickback, and then went all-in. But

they didn't know about the new, enhanced coverage and got caught red-handed.

I saw one article averring that lower altitude surveillance has some distinct advantages over the best satellite surveillance but I discounted it because it was poorly written.

I find it disturbing that they seem to have known about the gaps in the first place. Who is selling us out?

~ Who made up that we have "Altitude gaps?"

Try reading the newspaper that you have a subscription to.

.

*** Knew you couldn't answer that either ***

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:32:53 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:31:10 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:23:47 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:11:19 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:28:11 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

.

~ No, they needed close up to see if they cold tell which silos were real and which were fake. And for the

photograph to change their missile targeting from GPS to photo when we blocked the GPS. (Same as our
artillery targeting in Ukraine).

.

We don't have 'fake' missile silos. We have more missiles than silos and they have quite a few less missiles than silos.

Well the Chinese will be glad to hear that. Saves them sending another balloon. And they can know their targeting
will be true.

..

~ Oh, by the way, how is it you have knowledge of this classified information?
Try reading the newspaper that you have a subscription to.

.

*** Knew you'd dodge - again - and not answer - again ***
And another LOL at a newspaper knowing and printing Top Secret information.

(You really should quit digging (quit while you're behind)).

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On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:49:49 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:32:53 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:31:10 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:23:47 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:11:19 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:28:11 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

.

~ No, they needed close up to see if they cold tell which silos were real and which were fake. And for the

photograph to change their missile targeting from GPS to photo when we blocked the GPS. (Same as our
artillery targeting in Ukraine).

.

We don't have 'fake' missile silos. We have more missiles than silos and they have quite a few less missiles than silos.

Well the Chinese will be glad to hear that. Saves them sending another balloon. And they can know their targeting
will be true.

..

~ Oh, by the way, how is it you have knowledge of this classified information?

Try reading the newspaper that you have a subscription to.

.

~ *** Knew you'd dodge - again - and not answer - again ***

And another LOL at a newspaper knowing and printing Top Secret information.

(You really should quit digging (quit while you're behind)).

It isn't even factual information anymore because the 'domain awareness gap' has been eliminated. That's why that balloon was detected.

Here, Jerry. Let me help you read the news: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=domain+awareness+gap&atb=v322-1&ia=web

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On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 11:24:54 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:49:49 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:32:53 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:31:10 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:23:47 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 2:11:19 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:28:11 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:

.. an indication that their intelligence satellites aren't as sophisticated as we've thought?

.

~ No, they needed close up to see if they cold tell which silos were real and which were fake. And for the

photograph to change their missile targeting from GPS to photo when we blocked the GPS. (Same as our
artillery targeting in Ukraine).

.

We don't have 'fake' missile silos. We have more missiles than silos and they have quite a few less missiles than silos.

Well the Chinese will be glad to hear that. Saves them sending another balloon. And they can know their targeting
will be true.

..

~ Oh, by the way, how is it you have knowledge of this classified information?

Try reading the newspaper that you have a subscription to.

.

~ *** Knew you'd dodge - again - and not answer - again ***

.

*** And STILL can’t answer ***
.

And another LOL at a newspaper knowing and printing Top Secret information.

.

*** And knew you STILL couldn’t address ***
.

(You really should quit digging (quit while you're behind)).

.

It isn't even factual information anymore because the 'domain awareness gap' has been eliminated.

JFC! What part of STOP DIGGING – YOU’RE STILL EMBARRASSING YOURSELF, didn’t you understand?
.

That's why that balloon was detected.

LOL! If they weren’t detected, how were they detected?

*** ANSWER REQUIRED ***

JFC! Even the Chinese know they were detected. Even yesterday’s detection of an even smaller target,
(https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/us/politics/unidentified-object-shot-down-alaska.html)
was detected. There has been numerous balloons detected all over the word. Even MY tiny Piper Cub was
detected on ATC. Even little weather ballones. How the hell else did we know that there were three during the
trump administration. (And reported in the morning PDB that he NEVER READ?)

It’s counterintelligence tradecraft to let the Chinese wonder if they had, indeed, been detected. Your President
Biden told the press, “I was told about the balloon when it first appeared over Alaska and I told them to shoot
it down.” Which is bullshit to match the Alaska Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski’s bullshit story of, “I was shocked, SHOCKED, to discover that Biden allowed it to transit Alaska.” When she knows fucking well she was
‘read in’ (briefed) by the intelligence committee.

Here, Jerry. Let me help you read the news: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=domain+awareness+gap&atb=v322-1&ia=web

Here, let me rub your nose it that same questions again: How did they know three balloons passed “Unnoticed”
during the trump fuck-up administration, yet now were somehow noticed?

STOP FUCKING DIGGING!

(Not really. PLEASE continue to embarrass yourself) (Like you do your BillB embarrassments)

LOL!

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~ On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 1:39:25 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:

It isn't even factual information anymore because the 'domain awareness gap' has been eliminated.

JFC! What part of STOP DIGGING – YOU’RE STILL EMBARRASSING YOURSELF, didn’t you understand?
.

That's why that balloon was detected.

LOL! If they weren’t detected, how were they detected?

*** ANSWER REQUIRED ***

JFC! Even the Chinese know they were detected. Even yesterday’s detection of an even smaller target,
(https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/us/politics/unidentified-object-shot-down-alaska.html)
was detected. There has been numerous balloons detected all over the word. Even MY tiny Piper Cub was
detected on ATC. Even little weather ballones. How the hell else did we know that there were three during the
trump administration. (And reported in the morning PDB that he NEVER READ?)

It’s counterintelligence tradecraft to let the Chinese wonder if they had, indeed, been detected. Your President
Biden told the press, “I was told about the balloon when it first appeared over Alaska and I told them to shoot
it down.” Which is bullshit to match the Alaska Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski’s bullshit story of, “I was shocked, SHOCKED, to discover that Biden allowed it to transit Alaska.” When she knows fucking well she was
‘read in’ (briefed) by the intelligence committee.

Here, Jerry. Let me help you read the news: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=domain+awareness+gap&atb=v322-1&ia=web

Here, let me rub your nose it that same questions again: How did they know three balloons passed “Unnoticed”
during the trump fuck-up administration, yet now were somehow noticed?

STOP FUCKING DIGGING!

(Not really. PLEASE continue to embarrass yourself) (Like you do your BillB embarrassments)

LOL!

Jesus, Jerry. Take a break from this shit show.

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