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    From risky biz@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 9 10:34:07 2023
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'

    That's how he cravenly capitalized on the disinformation spread by the MSM that universal healthcare is wildly unaffordable.

    The CBO projected in February 2021 that the combined deficits for FY 2021 and FY 2022 would total $3.31 trillion. The combined spending total came to $4.15 trillion.

    The Democratic Party Super Club's mannequin made sure how it was paid for .. by the printing presses.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu Feb 9 10:48:44 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:34:10 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'

    That's how he cravenly capitalized on the disinformation spread by the MSM that universal healthcare is wildly unaffordable.

    The CBO projected in February 2021 that the combined deficits for FY 2021 and FY 2022 would total $3.31 trillion. The combined spending total came to $4.15 trillion.

    The Democratic Party Super Club's mannequin made sure how it was paid for .. by the printing presses.

    I see why you don't link; you're just adding to FOX BS.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Thu Feb 9 12:17:11 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:48:47 AM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:34:10 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'

    That's how he cravenly capitalized on the disinformation spread by the MSM that universal healthcare is wildly unaffordable.


    The CBO projected in February 2021 that the combined deficits for FY 2021 and FY 2022 would total $3.31 trillion. The combined spending total came to $4.15 trillion.

    The Democratic Party Super Club's mannequin made sure how it was paid for .. by the printing presses.


    ~ I see why you don't link; you're just adding to FOX BS.


    Yes, Jerry. The Congressional Budget Office is a subsidiary of Fox.

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu Feb 9 12:20:11 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:17:15 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:48:47 AM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:34:10 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'

    That's how he cravenly capitalized on the disinformation spread by the MSM that universal healthcare is wildly unaffordable.


    The CBO projected in February 2021 that the combined deficits for FY 2021 and FY 2022 would total $3.31 trillion. The combined spending total came to $4.15 trillion.

    The Democratic Party Super Club's mannequin made sure how it was paid for .. by the printing presses.
    ~ I see why you don't link; you're just adding to FOX BS.


    Yes, Jerry. The Congressional Budget Office is a subsidiary of Fox.

    Everyone is FOX except Don Lemon

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu Feb 9 14:22:47 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:17:15 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:48:47 AM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:34:10 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'

    That's how he cravenly capitalized on the disinformation spread by the MSM that universal healthcare is wildly unaffordable.


    The CBO projected in February 2021 that the combined deficits for FY 2021 and FY 2022 would total $3.31 trillion. The combined spending total came to $4.15 trillion.
    .
    .

    The Democratic Party Super Club's mannequin made sure how it was paid for .. by the printing
    presses.
    .
    I see why you don't link; you're just adding to FOX BS.
    .
    Yes, Jerry. The Congressional Budget Office is a subsidiary of Fox.
    .

    Knew you couldn't link... (LOL @ Club's mannequin...)

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  • From Irish Mike@21:1/5 to risky biz on Fri Feb 10 21:33:00 2023
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'


    The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Irish Mike on Sat Feb 11 07:40:19 2023
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the "rich"
    .

    Because the GQP always lower or remove the taxes for the rich so they can donate part
    back to them.

    ** AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT **


    grow the size and power of the federal government

    Which is putting more people on at IRS (which the GQP cut) so they can audit crooked Republicans.



    and give more welfare handouts to the poor

    While the GQP give more Subsidies to the rich.

    Ever ignorant of those facts, Irish Mick

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to Irish Mike on Sat Feb 11 09:14:26 2023
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:33:03 AM UTC-5, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike

    Taxes on the wealthy have been going down since Eisenhower.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to Irish Mike on Sat Feb 11 11:15:00 2023
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'


    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike


    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to risky biz on Sat Feb 11 12:59:31 2023
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .

    And more believe they just need to pay their fair share.
    (Same with corporations)

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Sat Feb 11 12:57:55 2023
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 9:14:29 AM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 12:33:03 AM UTC-5, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    Taxes on the wealthy have been going down since Eisenhower.
    .

    And exotic deductions going up. You can get a special deduction for your private jet. When people
    complained about it, the Republican committee said, "This tax deduction isn't just for rich people,
    anybody can use it.

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to risky biz on Sat Feb 11 20:42:43 2023
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.

    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Sun Feb 12 12:06:53 2023
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Sun Feb 12 19:58:31 2023
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?

    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Mon Feb 13 08:53:57 2023
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?
    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.

    But none have the actual amounts they do pay, like I said?

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Mon Feb 13 13:41:38 2023
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:54:00 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?
    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.
    But none have the actual amounts they do pay, like I said?

    The totals are there, not individual amounts.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Mon Feb 13 17:02:33 2023
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:54:00 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?
    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.
    But none have the actual amounts they do pay, like I said?
    .

    The totals are there, not individual amounts.

    Again; the totals of what they pay, or what they SHOULD pay? (If they know what they made).

    Not only do we not know what they pay in taxes, we don't know what they actually make.
    Even that magazine that list the top money makers, they admit they don't actually know
    what they make.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 17:20:47 2023
    GOOGLE

    How do we know how much the rich really pay in taxes

    (And remember, that’s on their TAXABLE income. Much of their income they pay NO taxes on)


    -------

    160,000,000 hits:

    ____________

    How much do the rich actually pay in taxes?

    The analysis from OMB and CEA economists estimates that the wealthiest 400 billionaire families in America paid an average of just 8.2 percent of their income—including income from their wealth that goes largely untaxed—in Federal individual income
    taxes between 2010 and 2018.

    __

    The Forbes 400 Pay Lower Tax Rates Than Many Ordinary Americans

    A recent study finds that the Forbes 400 paid an effective tax rate of 8.2 percent over recent years—lower than many middle-class Americans.

    __

    How do the rich pay so little in taxes?

    Even when tech billionaires do show income on their tax return, they tend to pay relatively low income tax rates. That's because of the type of income they have: Gains from long-term investments, such as from stock sales, are taxed at a lower rate.

    __

    The White House

    New OMB-CEA Report: Billionaires Pay an Average Federal Individual Income Tax Rate of Just 8.2%

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/briefing-room/2021/09/23/new-omb-cea-report-billionaires-pay-an-average-federal-individual-income-tax-rate-of-just-8-2/#:~:text=The%20analysis%20from%20OMB%20and,taxes%20between%202010%20and%202018.

    ___

    Billionaires in the US pay a smaller tax rate than most teachers and retail workers. Thanks to a tax code that favors income from wealth over income from work—and a slew of tax-avoidance strategies—the richest among us end up paying a smaller
    percentage of their income to the federal government than most working families.

    Here’s what we know:

    Since 2020, the richest 1 percent have captured almost two-thirds of all new wealth.

    According to a 2021 White House study, the wealthiest 400 billionaire families in the US paid an average federal individual tax rate of just 8.2 percent. For comparison, the average American taxpayer in the same year paid 13 percent.

    According to leaked tax returns highlighted in a ProPublica investigation, the 25 richest Americans paid $13.6 billion in taxes from 2014-2018—a “true” tax rate of just 3.4 percent on $401 billion of income.
    That’s not paying your fair share. Instead of our tax system rewarding wealth over work, it should ensure that billionaires play by the same set of rules as the rest of us. It’s good for the planet, and it’s essential to the preservation of our
    democracy.

    So what should they pay?

    Higher tax rates: The IRS code should raise individual tax rates for billionaires and equalize taxes on capital gains and labor income so work isn’t taxed more than wealth.

    A fair tax on their wealth: Billionaires should pay a wealth tax, and we should close tax loopholes that permit the rich to stash profits in tax havens.
    “In reality, taxation is a sign of legality and justice," said Pope Francis.

    Do giant corporations pay their fair share?
    While giant companies enjoyed record profits in 2021, many still pay lower tax rates than most working families. That’s in part because many take advantage of generous tax breaks and stash profits in tax havens around the world.

    Here’s what we know:

    According to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, at least 55 of the largest corporations in America paid no federal corporate income taxes in 2020.

    The US government is estimated to have lost around $135 billion in revenue due to corporate tax avoidance in 2017. In contrast, corporate philanthropy has amounted to less than $20 billion a year.

    Corporations shifted nearly $1 trillion in global profits to tax havens in 2019—depriving countries all over the world of desperately needed tax revenue.
    That’s not paying your fair share. Instead of only maximizing profits for their overwhelmingly rich, white shareholders, corporations should do more to support the employees, consumers, and community members that corporations rely upon to make their
    money.

    So what should they pay and do?

    To reduce tax haven abuse and the offshoring of corporate profits, corporations should pay the same tax rate on their foreign profits as on their domestic profits, and all large multinational corporations should pay a global minimum tax rate.

    To end the secrecy that shrouds corporate tax dodging, corporations should publish key financial data like revenue, profits, and taxes paid on a country-by-country basis.
    “We want an economy that works for everyone, not just for a small elite,” said former US Labor Secretary Robert Reich.

    What would the rich paying their fair share mean for ending poverty and injustice?
    Taxing the rich would pay incredible dividends in ending poverty and injustice. Calculations from Oxfam found that fair taxes on America’s billionaires and giant corporations could generate $252 billion dollars in revenue every year to lift people out
    of poverty.

    That kind of revenue would allow the US to invest in programs that:

    Protect the climate
    Building off climate investments in the Inflation Reduction Act, we could fund tax credits for consumers and companies to cut carbon emissions and support the creation of a 21st century Civilian Conservation Corps—a jobs program to actively combat the
    climate crisis.

    Lift children out of poverty
    Re-instating the child tax credit could lift more children out of poverty. The credit reached more than 60 million children in 2021, cutting child poverty by 30 percent. We could also fund child nutrition waivers used by 90 percent of US schools to fight
    childhood hunger by providing lunches to children in need.

    Prevent the next pandemic
    Investing $5 billion in global COVID health care programs would go a long way in covering vaccines, testing, and treatment worldwide.
    All of these programs would provide big benefits for workers, caregivers, and communities of color—unlike corporate tax dodging, which just benefits a white, wealthy elite.

    “It’s time for our nation’s billionaires and giant corporations to contribute their fair share of taxes to support the very people who have provided the labor that has allowed them to enjoy record profits and excess wealth,” said Gina Cummings,
    Oxfam America’s Vice-President of Advocacy, Alliances and Policy.

    Conclusion
    When billionaires and corporations rig the rules to pay a smaller percentage of taxes than the average American tax payer, they’re not paying their fair share. Everyone should play by the same set of rules, and working families shouldn’t bear more
    than their fair share.

    By increasing tax rates on the richest Americans, taxing billionaire wealth, and making corporations pay their fair share, we can ensure that the rich help protect the climate, lift children out of poverty, and prevent the next pandemic. And it’s key
    to saving our democracy and solving our toughest global challenges.

    More than 500,000 people like you joined Oxfam this year to demand the rich pay their fair share in taxes. Your voice in this fight matters, and when we join our voices together, our message becomes impossible to ignore.

    And on and on…

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  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Mon Feb 13 18:08:32 2023
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:02:36 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:54:00 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?
    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.
    But none have the actual amounts they do pay, like I said?
    .
    The totals are there, not individual amounts.
    Again; the totals of what they pay, or what they SHOULD pay? (If they know what they made).

    Not only do we not know what they pay in taxes, we don't know what they actually make.
    Even that magazine that list the top money makers, they admit they don't actually know
    what they make.

    What they do pay, which is the oft-quoted 39% figure. What they should pay, if they paid the average, would be about 1.4 times as much. And that probably does not include the figures that the IRS consider as underpaid.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Tue Feb 14 11:32:00 2023
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:08:36 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:02:36 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:54:00 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?
    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.
    But none have the actual amounts they do pay, like I said?
    .
    The totals are there, not individual amounts.
    Again; the totals of what they pay, or what they SHOULD pay? (If they know what they made).

    Not only do we not know what they pay in taxes, we don't know what they actually make.
    Even that magazine that list the top money makers, they admit they don't actually know
    what they make.
    .
    What they do pay, which is the oft-quoted 39% figure.

    Who are you quoting? From all I saw in my ablve Googling, they usually pay less then us average folk.
    Or, as they said, "Less than a waitress or fireman." And that on what they have to pay taxes on.

    What they should pay, if they paid the average, would be about 1.4 times as much. And that probably
    does not include the figures that the IRS consider as underpaid.

    All I'm saying is, that original statement is put out by the rich. The rich that's presently bribing their
    Republican politicians to cancel Biden's increase of funds to the IRS.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Tue Feb 14 12:22:48 2023
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:32:03 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:08:36 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:02:36 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:54:00 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?
    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.
    But none have the actual amounts they do pay, like I said?
    .
    The totals are there, not individual amounts.
    Again; the totals of what they pay, or what they SHOULD pay? (If they know what they made).

    Not only do we not know what they pay in taxes, we don't know what they actually make.
    Even that magazine that list the top money makers, they admit they don't actually know
    what they make.
    .
    What they do pay, which is the oft-quoted 39% figure.
    Who are you quoting? From all I saw in my ablve Googling, they usually pay less then us average folk.
    Or, as they said, "Less than a waitress or fireman." And that on what they have to pay taxes on.
    What they should pay, if they paid the average, would be about 1.4 times as much. And that probably
    does not include the figures that the IRS consider as underpaid.
    All I'm saying is, that original statement is put out by the rich. The rich that's presently bribing their
    Republican politicians to cancel Biden's increase of funds to the IRS.

    That figure is from the BLS, absent undeclared income.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Tue Feb 14 16:30:51 2023
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:32:03 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:08:36 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:02:36 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:54:00 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?
    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.
    But none have the actual amounts they do pay, like I said?
    .
    The totals are there, not individual amounts.
    Again; the totals of what they pay, or what they SHOULD pay? (If they know what they made).

    Not only do we not know what they pay in taxes, we don't know what they actually make.
    Even that magazine that list the top money makers, they admit they don't actually know
    what they make.
    .
    What they do pay, which is the oft-quoted 39% figure.
    Who are you quoting? From all I saw in my ablve Googling, they usually pay less then us average folk.
    Or, as they said, "Less than a waitress or fireman." And that on what they have to pay taxes on.
    What they should pay, if they paid the average, would be about 1.4 times as much. And that probably
    does not include the figures that the IRS consider as underpaid.
    All I'm saying is, that original statement is put out by the rich. The rich that's presently bribing their
    Republican politicians to cancel Biden's increase of funds to the IRS.
    That figure is from the BLS, absent undeclared income.

    And absent actual figures.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Tue Feb 14 18:55:37 2023
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 7:30:55 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:32:03 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:08:36 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:02:36 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:54:00 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?
    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.
    But none have the actual amounts they do pay, like I said?
    .
    The totals are there, not individual amounts.
    Again; the totals of what they pay, or what they SHOULD pay? (If they know what they made).

    Not only do we not know what they pay in taxes, we don't know what they actually make.
    Even that magazine that list the top money makers, they admit they don't actually know
    what they make.
    .
    What they do pay, which is the oft-quoted 39% figure.
    Who are you quoting? From all I saw in my ablve Googling, they usually pay less then us average folk.
    Or, as they said, "Less than a waitress or fireman." And that on what they have to pay taxes on.
    What they should pay, if they paid the average, would be about 1.4 times as much. And that probably
    does not include the figures that the IRS consider as underpaid.
    All I'm saying is, that original statement is put out by the rich. The rich that's presently bribing their
    Republican politicians to cancel Biden's increase of funds to the IRS.
    That figure is from the BLS, absent undeclared income.
    And absent actual figures.

    What are you on about? The IRS has fairly precise figures on the total amount of taxes collected, and on the amount paid by the top 1% of incomes. How hard is that to understand?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 07:33:50 2023
  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to Tim Norfolk on Wed Feb 15 07:26:37 2023
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 6:55:41 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 7:30:55 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:32:03 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:08:36 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:02:36 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:54:00 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?
    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.
    But none have the actual amounts they do pay, like I said?
    .
    The totals are there, not individual amounts.
    Again; the totals of what they pay, or what they SHOULD pay? (If they know what they made).

    Not only do we not know what they pay in taxes, we don't know what they actually make.
    Even that magazine that list the top money makers, they admit they don't actually know
    what they make.
    .
    What they do pay, which is the oft-quoted 39% figure.
    Who are you quoting? From all I saw in my ablve Googling, they usually pay less then us average folk.
    Or, as they said, "Less than a waitress or fireman." And that on what they have to pay taxes on.
    What they should pay, if they paid the average, would be about 1.4 times as much. And that probably
    does not include the figures that the IRS consider as underpaid.
    All I'm saying is, that original statement is put out by the rich. The rich that's presently bribing their
    Republican politicians to cancel Biden's increase of funds to the IRS.
    That figure is from the BLS, absent undeclared income.
    And absent actual figures.
    .
    What are you on about?

    People believing the propaganda from the rich that they pay the majority of the taxes when in fact they don't.


    The IRS has fairly precise figures on the total amount of taxes collected, and on the amount paid
    by the top 1% of incomes. How hard is that to understand?

    The 'precise figures' are the amounts they're supposed to pay according to the tax rates.
    How hard is THAT to understand?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tim Norfolk@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Wed Feb 15 12:57:38 2023
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 10:26:41 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 6:55:41 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 7:30:55 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 12:22:52 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:32:03 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 6:08:36 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:02:36 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:54:00 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 2:15:03 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:33:03 PM UTC-8, Irish Mike wrote:
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    'I'll make darned sure how it's paid for.'
    ~ The Democrat’s solution to every problem is always raise taxes on the
    "rich", grow the size and power of the federal government and give
    more welfare handouts to the poor (i.e., Democrat voters).

    Irish Mike
    53 percent of Republican respondents believed the government should redistribute wealth by heavy taxes on the rich according to a poll published by Gallup in August.

    A 2020 poll by Reuters and Ipsos found that 53 percent of Republican respondents believed the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs.
    .
    The wealthiest pay 39% of federal income taxes on 55% of the total income.
    .

    According to charts and graphs? Would you show where you got those numbers?

    The rich keep telling us that. And large corporstions tell us what 'percentage' their in.
    But because what a person pays is not disclosed, we really don't know, do we?

    Notice what trump paid (we got to see his taxes) compares to what he says he paid?
    The tax figures are from the BLS, if I recall. I assembled the income figures from other government sites, which list the average incomes of percentiles.
    But none have the actual amounts they do pay, like I said?
    .
    The totals are there, not individual amounts.
    Again; the totals of what they pay, or what they SHOULD pay? (If they know what they made).

    Not only do we not know what they pay in taxes, we don't know what they actually make.
    Even that magazine that list the top money makers, they admit they don't actually know
    what they make.
    .
    What they do pay, which is the oft-quoted 39% figure.
    Who are you quoting? From all I saw in my ablve Googling, they usually pay less then us average folk.
    Or, as they said, "Less than a waitress or fireman." And that on what they have to pay taxes on.
    What they should pay, if they paid the average, would be about 1.4 times as much. And that probably
    does not include the figures that the IRS consider as underpaid.
    All I'm saying is, that original statement is put out by the rich. The rich that's presently bribing their
    Republican politicians to cancel Biden's increase of funds to the IRS.
    That figure is from the BLS, absent undeclared income.
    And absent actual figures.
    .
    What are you on about?
    People believing the propaganda from the rich that they pay the majority of the taxes when in fact they don't.
    The IRS has fairly precise figures on the total amount of taxes collected, and on the amount paid
    by the top 1% of incomes. How hard is that to understand?
    The 'precise figures' are the amounts they're supposed to pay according to the tax rates.
    How hard is THAT to understand?

    The richest 1% pay a disproportionately high amount, according to their numbers.

    Their pet elected officials just keep handing them more goodies.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)