• As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTi

    From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 08:40:40 2022
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last year�
    �s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering from
    pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy and
    information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some content
    moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.6
    million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-vaccination
    content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have to do
    any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a vaccine
    skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the Centers for
    Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is more than 4,
    500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s advisory
    council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google led to
    recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy” claims
    on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-related
    social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,” he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation as an
    unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more than a
    hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about easily
    available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.” __________________

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Wed Dec 28 10:55:37 2022
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last
    year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering from
    pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy and
    information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some content
    moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.6
    million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-vaccination
    content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have to do
    any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a vaccine
    skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the Centers for
    Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is more than
    4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s advisory
    council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google led
    to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,” he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation as an
    unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more than a
    hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about easily
    available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________

    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Dec 28 08:59:28 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last
    year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering
    from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy
    and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some content
    moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.6
    million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have to
    do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a vaccine
    skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the Centers
    for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is more
    than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s advisory
    council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google led
    to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,” he
    said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation as an
    unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more than
    a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about easily
    available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the flu?

    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Wed Dec 28 11:02:21 2022
    On 12/28/2022 10:59 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes) >>>
    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last
    year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering
    from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy
    and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some content
    moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.6
    million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have to
    do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a vaccine
    skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the Centers
    for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is more
    than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s advisory
    council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google led
    to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms. >>>
    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,” he
    said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation as an
    unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more than
    a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about easily
    available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?

    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts

    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40
    and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over
    the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this morning ... did not last.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Dec 28 09:37:16 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:59 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last
    year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering
    from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy
    and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.6
    million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have
    to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a vaccine
    skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the Centers
    for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is more
    than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s advisory
    council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google
    led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,” he
    said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation as
    an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more
    than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about easily
    available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the >> flu?

    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40
    and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over
    the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this morning ... did not last.

    You don't even make a shred of sense.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Dec 28 09:40:46 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?

    Is there an "irregular" flu shot? Never heard of it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Dec 28 13:26:40 2022
    On 12/28/2022 11:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?

    Is there an "irregular" flu shot? Never heard of it.

    No, there is no "irregular" flu shot ... afraid to answer a simple question?

    Oops, I answered it for you and you ran like a rat.

    Figures

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Dec 28 13:28:39 2022
    On 12/28/2022 11:37 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:59 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last
    year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering
    from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy
    and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.6
    million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have
    to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a vaccine
    skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the Centers
    for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is more
    than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s advisory
    council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google
    led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms. >>>>>
    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,” he
    said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation as
    an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more
    than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about easily
    available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the >>>> flu?

    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts

    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40
    and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over
    the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this
    morning ... did not last.

    You don't even make a shred of sense.

    Those are the regular flu shots ... dodge it again.

    As Jerry might say ... run away again.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 11:46:22 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:


    ~ Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect


    From where did you get '10%'? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/vaccines-work/Flu_VE_22.png?_=36304
    And it needs to be kept in mind that flu vaccination is a game in which success is determined by how well the future circulating versions of flu are predicted. The prediction is better in some years than others.


    ~ ... usually it is between 40
    and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over
    the new "flu" ...


    COVID is not a 'flu'. In the last decade there has been an average of 35,000 deaths per year from flu. Quite a bit different from the 1,000,000+ deaths from COVID in a year and a half, or so. It's not even close to being a 'flu".


    when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this morning ... did not last.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Dec 28 12:14:12 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:26:49 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 11:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the >> flu?

    Is there an "irregular" flu shot? Never heard of it.
    No, there is no "irregular" flu shot ... afraid to answer a simple question?

    Oops, I answered it for you and you ran like a rat.

    Figures

    If there is no "irregular" flu shot then why did you specify that you were talking about the "regular" flu shot. You don't make any sense.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Dec 28 12:18:48 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:28:46 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 11:37 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:59 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote: >>>> On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin.
    Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already
    suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital
    literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.
    6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have
    to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a
    vaccine skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is
    more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s
    advisory council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google
    led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,”
    he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation
    as an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more
    than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about
    easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?

    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts

    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40 >> and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over >> the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this >> morning ... did not last.

    You don't even make a shred of sense.
    Those are the regular flu shots ... dodge it again.

    As Jerry might say ... run away again.

    You still aren't making any sense. What is a "regular" flu shot? What is the alternative to a "regular" one? Is English your first language?

    The annual flu shot typically reduces your chance of catching the flu by 50% and your chance of hospitalization because of the flu by 80%. So what? Do you have any kind of point??

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to risky biz on Wed Dec 28 17:28:32 2022
    On 12/28/2022 1:46 PM, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:


    ~ Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect


    From where did you get '10%'? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/vaccines-work/Flu_VE_22.png?_=36304
    And it needs to be kept in mind that flu vaccination is a game in which success is determined by how well the future circulating versions of flu are predicted. The prediction is better in some years than others.

    Here is what I said:

    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40
    and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over
    the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this
    morning ... did not last.

    Here is where I got it

    https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20221206/this-years-flu-shot-good-match-circulating-strains-cdc

    "The flu vaccine is designed a year in advance using previous season
    data, according to Scientific American. Typically, the flu vaccine is
    40% to 60% effective, the CDC says, although some years, its
    effectiveness has been as low as 10%."

    I was tempted to go all Jerry on you and tell you to do your own
    research. There are numerous sites including the CDC with the information.



    COVID is not a 'flu'. In the last decade there has been an average of 35,000 deaths per year from flu. Quite a bit different from the 1,000,000+ deaths from COVID in a year and a half, or so. It's not even close to being a 'flu".

    So, COVID is different than the flu ... but COVID is different in two
    important ways as well ... money and politics. There is money available
    if the death is from COVID and not something else ... like underlying
    illness or just identification. This may make COVID less a threat to us
    but not much less ... it does make it different.

    when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this
    morning ... did not last.

    I think you would agree.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Dec 28 16:26:46 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last
    year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering
    from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy
    and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some content
    moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.6
    million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have to
    do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a vaccine
    skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the Centers
    for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is more
    than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s advisory
    council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google led
    to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,” he
    said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation as an
    unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more than
    a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about easily
    available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the flu?
    .

    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"

    And here's some of it..

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Wed Dec 28 16:27:23 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:59:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last
    year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering
    from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy
    and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.6
    million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have
    to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a vaccine
    skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the Centers
    for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is more
    than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s advisory
    council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google
    led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,” he
    said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation as
    an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more
    than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about easily
    available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the flu?
    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    .

    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"

    And here's some of it..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Dec 28 16:27:56 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:59 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last
    year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering
    from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy
    and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.6
    million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have
    to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a vaccine
    skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the Centers
    for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and
    Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is more
    than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s advisory
    council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google
    led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,” he
    said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation as
    an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more
    than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about easily
    available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the >> flu?

    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40
    and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over
    the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this morning ... did not last.
    .

    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"

    And here's some of it..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to risky biz on Wed Dec 28 16:32:12 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:52:23 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    ~ Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect


    From where did you get '10%'? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/vaccines-work/Flu_VE_22.png?_=36304
    And it needs to be kept in mind that flu vaccination is a game in which success is determined by how well the future circulating versions of flu are predicted. The prediction is better in some years than others.


    ~ ... usually it is between 40
    and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over
    the new "flu" ...
    .

    COVID is not a 'flu'.
    .

    Of course not. But he's been sucke into th, "Misinformation About" Covid.

    .
    .
    .
    .
    In the last decade there has been an average of 35,000 deaths per year from flu. Quite a bit different from the 1,000,000+ deaths from COVID in a year and a half, or so. It's not even close to being a 'flu".
    when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this morning ... did not last.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Dec 28 16:29:43 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:37:20 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:59 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin.
    Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already
    suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital
    literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.
    6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have
    to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a
    vaccine skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is
    more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s
    advisory council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google
    led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,”
    he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation
    as an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more
    than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about
    easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?

    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40 and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this morning ... did not last.
    .

    You don't even make a shred of sense.
    .

    He never does and is not supposed to. It's all a part of:

    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"

    And here's some of it..

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Dec 28 16:33:56 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 1:46 PM, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:


    ~ Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect


    From where did you get '10%'? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/vaccines-work/Flu_VE_22.png?_=36304
    And it needs to be kept in mind that flu vaccination is a game in which success is determined by how well the future circulating versions of flu are predicted. The prediction is better in some years than others.
    Here is what I said:

    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40
    and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over
    the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this morning ... did not last.
    Here is where I got it

    https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20221206/this-years-flu-shot-good-match-circulating-strains-cdc

    "The flu vaccine is designed a year in advance using previous season
    data, according to Scientific American. Typically, the flu vaccine is
    40% to 60% effective, the CDC says, although some years, its
    effectiveness has been as low as 10%."

    I was tempted to go all Jerry on you ...
    .

    You can't, couldn't, and never could. You're a simple troll. And as shown, just another
    part of the disinformation....

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 18:03:30 2022
    ~ On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 12:18:51 PM UTC-8, BillB wrote:

    ~ You still aren't making any sense. What is a "regular" flu shot? What is the alternative to a "regular" one? Is English your first language?


    Your troll nitpicking is quite tiresome. If you don't have anything intelligent to contribute why don't you just keep your piehole shut? Most people who get the flu shot typically do so every year. Do you know what the definition of 'regular' is? Why don'
    t you look it up and then marvel at how well educated you then are.

    'Attorney' .. oh, yeah, sure. Tell me another one.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Dec 28 18:18:27 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 1:46 PM, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:


    ~ Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect


    From where did you get '10%'? https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/vaccines-work/Flu_VE_22.png?_=36304
    And it needs to be kept in mind that flu vaccination is a game in which success is determined by how well the future circulating versions of flu are predicted. The prediction is better in some years than others.
    Here is what I said:

    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40
    and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over
    the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this morning ... did not last.
    Here is where I got it

    https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20221206/this-years-flu-shot-good-match-circulating-strains-cdc

    "The flu vaccine is designed a year in advance using previous season
    data, according to Scientific American. Typically, the flu vaccine is
    40% to 60% effective, the CDC says, although some years, its
    effectiveness has been as low as 10%."

    I was tempted to go all Jerry on you and tell you to do your own
    research. There are numerous sites including the CDC with the information.


    You didn't notice that I got my information from the CDC?

    In some years PREVIOUS to the last decade effectiveness was as low as 10%? That isn't surprising. But how relevant is it?


    COVID is not a 'flu'. In the last decade there has been an average of 35,000 deaths per year from flu. Quite a bit different from the 1,000,000+ deaths from COVID in a year and a half, or so. It's not even close to being a 'flu".


    ~ So, COVID is different than the flu ... but COVID is different in two
    important ways as well ... money and politics. There is money available
    if the death is from COVID and not something else ... like underlying illness or just identification. This may make COVID less a threat to us
    but not much less ... it does make it different.


    That's a load of nonsense. The pharmaceutical industry created a vaccine in record time and saved many hundreds of thousands of lives. Many more lives would have been saved if not for the criminal misinformation spread far and wide.

    It was sad to see someone who believed those lies, refused the vaccine, and then asked if they could get it now on their deathbed. The criminally bad advice came from people who were jumping up and down like monkeys about the fake 'death panels' a decade
    ago.

    And, Horrors! They were paid for their work product? Is that a deviation from the normal state of affairs?


    when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this >> morning ... did not last.
    I think you would agree.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu Dec 29 09:25:16 2022
    On 12/28/2022 8:18 PM, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 1:46 PM, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:


    ~ Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect


    From where did you get '10%'?
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/vaccines-work/Flu_VE_22.png?_=36304
    And it needs to be kept in mind that flu vaccination is a game in which success is determined by how well the future circulating versions of flu are predicted. The prediction is better in some years than others.
    Here is what I said:

    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40
    and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over
    the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this
    morning ... did not last.
    Here is where I got it

    https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20221206/this-years-flu-shot-good-match-circulating-strains-cdc

    "The flu vaccine is designed a year in advance using previous season
    data, according to Scientific American. Typically, the flu vaccine is
    40% to 60% effective, the CDC says, although some years, its
    effectiveness has been as low as 10%."

    I was tempted to go all Jerry on you and tell you to do your own
    research. There are numerous sites including the CDC with the information.


    You didn't notice that I got my information from the CDC?

    I answered you question ... not like you risky. My information came
    from "... the CDC says..."


    In some years PREVIOUS to the last decade effectiveness was as low as 10%? That isn't surprising. But how relevant is it?

    I was quoting the CDC ... you get to decide if it is "relevant" to
    whatever you are talking about. Don't ask me what you are talking about.

    COVID is not a 'flu'. In the last decade there has been an average of 35,000 deaths per year from flu. Quite a bit different from the 1,000,000+ deaths from COVID in a year and a half, or so. It's not even close to being a 'flu".


    ~ So, COVID is different than the flu ... but COVID is different in two
    important ways as well ... money and politics. There is money available
    if the death is from COVID and not something else ... like underlying
    illness or just identification. This may make COVID less a threat to us
    but not much less ... it does make it different.


    That's a load of nonsense. The pharmaceutical industry created a vaccine in record time and saved many hundreds of thousands of lives. Many more lives would have been saved if not for the criminal misinformation spread far and wide.

    It was sad to see someone who believed those lies, refused the vaccine, and then asked if they could get it now on their deathbed. The criminally bad advice came from people who were jumping up and down like monkeys about the fake 'death panels' a
    decade ago.

    And, Horrors! They were paid for their work product? Is that a deviation from the normal state of affairs?

    Well, you have the facts, like Jerry and Blab ... I would have thought
    you would agree with me on the below.

    when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this >>>> morning ... did not last.
    I think you would agree.

    We both quoted something from the CDC ... I think we are both correct.
    Big Pharma has no political power in the USA ... or do you disagree with
    your post?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Dec 29 09:15:38 2022
    On 12/28/2022 2:14 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:26:49 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 11:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the >>>> flu?

    Is there an "irregular" flu shot? Never heard of it.
    No, there is no "irregular" flu shot ... afraid to answer a simple question? >>
    Oops, I answered it for you and you ran like a rat.

    Figures

    If there is no "irregular" flu shot then why did you specify that you were talking about the "regular" flu shot. You don't make any sense.

    Normal might have OK or even current ... nothing wrong with regular
    either ... at least for regular people.

    Blab on

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Dec 29 10:03:30 2022
    On 12/29/2022 9:48 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    If there is no "irregular" flu shot then why did you specify that you were talking about the "regular" flu shot. You don't make any sense.

    Normal might have OK or even current ... nothing wrong with regular
    either ... at least for regular people.

    Blab on

    ^^ geriatric gibberish

    TL/DNR too much gibberish

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Thu Dec 29 07:48:34 2022
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    If there is no "irregular" flu shot then why did you specify that you were talking about the "regular" flu shot. You don't make any sense.

    Normal might have OK or even current ... nothing wrong with regular
    either ... at least for regular people.

    Blab on

    ^^ geriatric gibberish

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Thu Dec 29 13:46:56 2022
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 2:14 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:26:49 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 11:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the >>>> flu?

    Is there an "irregular" flu shot? Never heard of it.
    No, there is no "irregular" flu shot ... afraid to answer a simple question?

    Oops, I answered it for you and you ran like a rat.

    Figures

    If there is no "irregular" flu shot then why did you specify that you were talking about the "regular" flu shot. You don't make any sense.
    Normal might have OK or even current ... nothing wrong with regular
    either ... at least for regular people.
    .

    Regular IS the normal, dumb shit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to da pickle on Thu Dec 29 13:49:20 2022
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 7:25:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 8:18 PM, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 1:46 PM, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote: >>>

    ~ Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect


    From where did you get '10%'?
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/images/vaccines-work/Flu_VE_22.png?_=36304
    And it needs to be kept in mind that flu vaccination is a game in which success is determined by how well the future circulating versions of flu are predicted. The prediction is better in some years than others.
    Here is what I said:

    Some years the flu shot is only 10% effect ... usually it is between 40 >> and 60% effective. Some folks are just fine with that but go crazy over >> the new "flu" ... when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this >> morning ... did not last.
    Here is where I got it

    https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20221206/this-years-flu-shot-good-match-circulating-strains-cdc

    "The flu vaccine is designed a year in advance using previous season
    data, according to Scientific American. Typically, the flu vaccine is
    40% to 60% effective, the CDC says, although some years, its
    effectiveness has been as low as 10%."

    I was tempted to go all Jerry on you and tell you to do your own
    research. There are numerous sites including the CDC with the information.


    You didn't notice that I got my information from the CDC?
    I answered you question ... not like you risky. My information came
    from "... the CDC says..."
    In some years PREVIOUS to the last decade effectiveness was as low as 10%? That isn't surprising. But how relevant is it?
    I was quoting the CDC ... you get to decide if it is "relevant" to
    whatever you are talking about. Don't ask me what you are talking about.
    COVID is not a 'flu'. In the last decade there has been an average of 35,000 deaths per year from flu. Quite a bit different from the 1,000,000+ deaths from COVID in a year and a half, or so. It's not even close to being a 'flu".


    ~ So, COVID is different than the flu ... but COVID is different in two
    important ways as well ... money and politics. There is money available >> if the death is from COVID and not something else ... like underlying
    illness or just identification. This may make COVID less a threat to us >> but not much less ... it does make it different.


    That's a load of nonsense. The pharmaceutical industry created a vaccine in record time and saved many hundreds of thousands of lives. Many more lives would have been saved if not for the criminal misinformation spread far and wide.

    It was sad to see someone who believed those lies, refused the vaccine, and then asked if they could get it now on their deathbed. The criminally bad advice came from people who were jumping up and down like monkeys about the fake 'death panels' a
    decade ago.

    And, Horrors! They were paid for their work product? Is that a deviation from the normal state of affairs?
    Well, you have the facts, like Jerry and Blab ... I would have thought
    you would agree with me on the below.
    when politics are your information source, you are
    doomed to being an imbecile. Jerrioppolous had a couple of moments this >>>> morning ... did not last.
    I think you would agree.
    We both quoted something from the CDC ... I think we are both correct.
    Big Pharma has no political power in the USA ...
    .

    WHA! HA~Ha! How naive.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Thu Dec 29 16:41:10 2022
    On 12/29/2022 3:46 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 2:14 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:26:49 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 11:40 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:55:43 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote: >>>>>
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the >>>>>> flu?

    Is there an "irregular" flu shot? Never heard of it.
    No, there is no "irregular" flu shot ... afraid to answer a simple question?

    Oops, I answered it for you and you ran like a rat.

    Figures

    If there is no "irregular" flu shot then why did you specify that you were talking about the "regular" flu shot. You don't make any sense.
    Normal might have OK or even current ... nothing wrong with regular
    either ... at least for regular people.
    .

    Regular IS the normal, dumb shit.

    Thanks, Jerry for your support ... anyone would know that ... blab is
    just blab

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Fri Dec 30 09:51:22 2022
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:59:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin.
    Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already
    suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital
    literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.
    6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have
    to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a
    vaccine skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is
    more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s
    advisory council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google
    led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a
    statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy”
    claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-
    related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,”
    he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation
    as an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more
    than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about
    easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “
    Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the flu?
    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    .
    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"
    And here's some of it..

    You are right for a change, the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Fri Dec 30 11:06:57 2022
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:51:26 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:59:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin.
    Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already
    suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital
    literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than
    1.6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t
    have to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a
    vaccine skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is
    more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s
    advisory council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on
    Google led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said
    in a statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy�
    � claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the
    Covid-related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,”
    he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation
    as an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more
    than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about
    easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. �
    ��Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?
    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    .
    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"
    And here's some of it..
    .
    You are right for a change, the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.
    .

    No, they don't, and you can't show that they do. You only show, again, that you're one of those
    that's susceptible to right wing misinformation. The proof? Your disappearance after showing
    your inability to answer that:

    "No, they don't, and you can't show that they do."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Fri Dec 30 12:22:16 2022
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:51:26 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:59:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin.
    Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already
    suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital
    literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more
    than 1.6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t
    have to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a
    vaccine skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is
    more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s
    advisory council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on
    Google led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said
    in a statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “
    crazy” claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the
    Covid-related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,�
    � he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the
    regulation as an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content
    moderation efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with
    more than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about
    easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said.
    “Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?
    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    .
    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"
    And here's some of it..
    .
    You are right for a change, the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.
    .

    No, they don't, and you can't show that they do. You only show, again, that you're one of those
    that's susceptible to right wing misinformation. The proof? Your disappearance after showing
    your inability to answer that:

    "No, they don't, and you can't show that they do."

    I have shown you CDC lies and you pretend like I didn't. I swear you Branch Covidiens are like flat Earthers. Or as Bill Marhe said, Scientology did not get to you first.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Fri Dec 30 13:11:47 2022
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:51:26 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:59:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin.
    Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already
    suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital
    literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than
    1.6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t
    have to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a
    vaccine skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is
    more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s
    advisory council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on
    Google led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said
    in a statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy�
    � claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the
    Covid-related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,”
    he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation
    as an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation
    efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more
    than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about
    easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. �
    ��Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?
    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    .
    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"
    And here's some of it..
    You are right for a change,


    ~ the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.


    What lies are the CDC and Fauci spreading?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to risky biz on Fri Dec 30 15:46:02 2022
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 1:11:51 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:51:26 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:59:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin.
    Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already
    suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital
    literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more
    than 1.6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t
    have to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a
    vaccine skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is
    more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s
    advisory council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on
    Google led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said
    in a statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “
    crazy” claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the
    Covid-related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,�
    � he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the
    regulation as an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content
    moderation efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with
    more than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about
    easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said.
    “Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?
    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    .
    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"
    And here's some of it..
    You are right for a change,
    ~ the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.


    What lies are the CDC and Fauci spreading?

    I already asked him. He ran...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Fri Dec 30 15:45:23 2022
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 12:22:19 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:51:26 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:59:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like
    ivermectin. Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already
    suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital
    literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing
    some content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more
    than 1.6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’
    t have to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a
    vaccine skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content
    is more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s
    advisory council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on
    Google led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said
    in a statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “
    crazy” claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the
    Covid-related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,
    ” he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the
    regulation as an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content
    moderation efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with
    more than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about
    easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he
    said. “Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?
    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    .
    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"
    And here's some of it..
    .
    You are right for a change, the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.
    .


    .
    No, they don't, and you can't show that they do.
    You only show, again, that you're one of those that's susceptible to right wing misinformation.
    The proof? Your disappearance after showing your inability to answer that: "No, they don't, and you can't show that they do."

    .
    I have shown you CDC lies and you pretend like I didn't.

    *** Knew you couldn't show ***
    .

    //NEXT//

    .

    I swear you Branch Covidiens are like flat Earthers.

    Huh? WTF kind of knee-jerk bullshit is that?
    .

    Or as Bill Marhe said, Scientology did not get to you first.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Muha Shama@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Mon Jan 16 17:13:30 2023
    On Saturday, 31 December 2022 at 00:46:06 UTC+1, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 1:11:51 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:51:26 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:59:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like
    ivermectin. Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already
    suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital
    literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing
    some content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more
    than 1.6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’
    t have to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a
    vaccine skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content
    is more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s
    advisory council this month.)

    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on
    Google led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said
    in a statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “
    crazy” claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the
    Covid-related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,
    ” he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

    “The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the
    regulation as an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content
    moderation efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with
    more than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about
    easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he
    said. “Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?
    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    .
    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"
    And here's some of it..
    You are right for a change,
    ~ the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.


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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to risky biz on Tue Jan 17 08:19:51 2023
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 4:11:51 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:51:26 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:59:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/28/2022 10:40 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
    As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It (N YTimes)

    Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of
    false and misleading claims about the virus.

    - The constant barrage of bad information about Covid-19 has made it increasingly
    - difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say.

    Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

    As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

    What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin.
    Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

    The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already
    suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

    “It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital
    literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

    Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some
    content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

    From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more
    than 1.6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

    The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

    Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-
    vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

    Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

    “Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t
    have to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

    Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a
    vaccine skeptic.

    Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

    Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

    YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is
    more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s
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    But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

    Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on
    Google led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said
    in a statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”

    In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “
    crazy” claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

    “We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

    Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the
    Covid-related social media habits of different populations.

    “Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,�
    � he said.

    Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

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    Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

    A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the
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    Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with
    more than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

    But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

    “I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

    Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about
    easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

    “If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said.
    “Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”
    __________________
    Answer one question, how many people with the "regular" flu shot get the
    flu?
    Don't confuse Jerry (Nazi) in Vegas with facts
    .
    "As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It"
    And here's some of it..
    You are right for a change,
    ~ the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.


    What lies are the CDC and Fauci spreading?


    On March 29, Walensky told MSNBC that “Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”

    Total lie, they knew right away that was bullshit and why they lied and said they were not tracking breakthrough infections, remember when you couldn't even admit that was a lie?

    And CNN even agrees

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/politics/walensky-comments-cdc-guidance-fact-check/index.html

    Spin that dumbass

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Tue Jan 17 11:33:38 2023
    ~ On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 8:19:55 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 4:11:51 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

    ~ the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.




    What lies are the CDC and Fauci spreading?



    ~ On March 29, Walensky told MSNBC that “Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”

    Total lie, they knew right away that was bullshit and why they lied and said they were not tracking breakthrough infections, remember when you couldn't even admit that was a lie?

    And CNN even agrees

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/politics/walensky-comments-cdc-guidance-fact-check/index.html

    Spin that dumbass


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    Your response elaborated on inaccurate statements by someone who, even though she was director of the CDC, had her inaccurate statements CORRECTED by the CDC (and the Biden administration). You failed to mention that but it's right in your referenced
    article. Hmmm. NOT 'spinning'?

    It's also notable that many of Ms. Walensky's inaccurate statements were an article of faith with the 'COVID doesn't exist, facemasks don't work, the vaccine will kill you, stop the social distancing' crowd. They don't have the least compunction about
    attacking her for it after it has become abundantly evident they were wrong.

    It seems evident that Ms. Walensky is incompetent to occupy the position to which she was appointed. That's no surprise. Look at Pete Buttigieg. Apparently, competency wasn't the operative selection factor in either case.

    On the tracking of breakthrough infections issue, as I recall, the CDC was collecting the data available but didn't consider it reliable because of major inconsistencies in reporting and, responsibly, didn't publish it. On the other hand, It's also more
    meaningful to collect data on severe illness and deaths because that is what a vaccine is intended to protect the public against. It isn't the assigned mission of the CDC to publish data that gives superspreaders a factoid they can use to run around
    shouting, 'See! It doesn't work!'

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to risky biz on Tue Jan 17 12:01:09 2023
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 11:33:42 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
    ~ On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 8:19:55 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 4:11:51 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

    ~ the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.




    What lies are the CDC and Fauci spreading?
    ~ On March 29, Walensky told MSNBC that “Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”

    Total lie, they knew right away that was bullshit and why they lied and said they were not tracking breakthrough infections, remember when you couldn't even admit that was a lie?

    And CNN even agrees

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/politics/walensky-comments-cdc-guidance-fact-check/index.html

    Spin that dumbass
    .

    Oh, OK. Being the dumbass that I am, it's 'spinning' when I asked you what lies Fauci and the CDC
    were spreading. 'Spinning'? Really? It was a question.
    .

    You show know by now that he doesn't reply with answer, he can't.
    He only replies with questions.
    .
    .
    .
    .





    Your response elaborated on inaccurate statements by someone who, even though she was director of the CDC, had her inaccurate statements CORRECTED by the CDC (and the Biden administration). You failed to mention that but it's right in your referenced
    article. Hmmm. NOT 'spinning'?

    It's also notable that many of Ms. Walensky's inaccurate statements were an article of faith with the 'COVID doesn't exist, facemasks don't work, the vaccine will kill you, stop the social distancing' crowd. They don't have the least compunction about
    attacking her for it after it has become abundantly evident they were wrong.

    It seems evident that Ms. Walensky is incompetent to occupy the position to which she was appointed. That's no surprise. Look at Pete Buttigieg. Apparently, competency wasn't the operative selection factor in either case.

    On the tracking of breakthrough infections issue, as I recall, the CDC was collecting the data available but didn't consider it reliable because of major inconsistencies in reporting and, responsibly, didn't publish it. On the other hand, It's also
    more meaningful to collect data on severe illness and deaths because that is what a vaccine is intended to protect the public against. It isn't the assigned mission of the CDC to publish data that gives superspreaders a factoid they can use to run around
    shouting, 'See! It doesn't work!'

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to risky biz on Wed Jan 18 09:46:35 2023
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 2:33:42 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    ~ On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 8:19:55 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 4:11:51 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

    ~ the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.




    What lies are the CDC and Fauci spreading?
    ~ On March 29, Walensky told MSNBC that “Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”

    Total lie, they knew right away that was bullshit and why they lied and said they were not tracking breakthrough infections, remember when you couldn't even admit that was a lie?

    And CNN even agrees

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/politics/walensky-comments-cdc-guidance-fact-check/index.html

    Spin that dumbass
    Oh, OK. Being the dumbass that I am, it's 'spinning' when I asked you what lies Fauci and the CDC were spreading. 'Spinning'? Really? It was a question.


    Spin this one, dead ends LOL

    "DR. FAUCI: And you know, JOHN, you said it very well. I could have said it better. It's absolutely the case. And that's the reason why we say when you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health, that of the family, but also you contribute to
    the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community. And in other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that's when you get a
    point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community. And that's exactly the reason, and you said it very well, of why we encourage people and want people to get vaccinated. The more people you get vaccinated, the safer the entire
    community is."

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-dr-anthony-fauci-face-the-nation-05-16-2021/

    On the tracking of breakthrough infections issue, as I recall, the CDC was collecting the data available but didn't consider it reliable because of major inconsistencies in reporting and, responsibly, didn't publish it. On the other hand, It's also
    more meaningful to collect data on severe illness and deaths because that is what a vaccine is intended to protect the public against. It isn't the assigned mission of the CDC to publish data that gives superspreaders a factoid they can use to run around
    shouting, 'See! It doesn't work!'

    Your memory is failing, they flat out said they did NOT track breakthrough infections, until the NYT article of 2-22-22 where they were exposed as liars. Not by fox or Qanon, but by the New York Times

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Wed Jan 18 11:37:56 2023
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:46:40 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 2:33:42 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    ~ On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 8:19:55 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 4:11:51 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:

    ~ the CDC and Fauci continue to spread lies for the almighty dollar.




    What lies are the CDC and Fauci spreading?
    ~ On March 29, Walensky told MSNBC that “Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”

    Total lie, they knew right away that was bullshit and why they lied and said they were not tracking breakthrough infections, remember when you couldn't even admit that was a lie?

    And CNN even agrees

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/politics/walensky-comments-cdc-guidance-fact-check/index.html

    Spin that dumbass
    Oh, OK. Being the dumbass that I am, it's 'spinning' when I asked you what lies Fauci and the CDC were spreading. 'Spinning'? Really? It was a question.


    Spin this one, dead ends LOL
    .
    .

    Me: "You show know by now that he doesn't reply with answer, he can't."
    Me: "He only replies with questions."
    .

    See?
    .
    .
    .




    "DR. FAUCI: And you know, JOHN, you said it very well. I could have said it better. It's absolutely the case. And that's the reason why we say when you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health, that of the family, but also you contribute to
    the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community. And in other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that's when you get a
    point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community. And that's exactly the reason, and you said it very well, of why we encourage people and want people to get vaccinated. The more people you get vaccinated, the safer the entire
    community is."

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-dr-anthony-fauci-face-the-nation-05-16-2021/
    .
    .

    Spin what? What don't you understand?
    .
    .


    On the tracking of breakthrough infections issue, as I recall, the CDC was collecting the data available but didn't consider it reliable because of major inconsistencies in reporting and, responsibly, didn't publish it. On the other hand, It's also
    more meaningful to collect data on severe illness and deaths because that is what a vaccine is intended to protect the public against. It isn't the assigned mission of the CDC to publish data that gives superspreaders a factoid they can use to run around
    shouting, 'See! It doesn't work!'
    .

    Your memory is failing, they flat out said they did NOT track breakthrough infections
    .

    And he just told you why. Again, what didn't you understand?
    .

    , until the NYT article of 2-22-22 where they were exposed as liars. Not by fox or Qanon, but by the New York Times

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Wed Jan 18 20:00:20 2023
    On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:46:40 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:

    ~ Spin this one, dead ends LOL

    "DR. FAUCI: And you know, JOHN, you said it very well. I could have said it better. It's absolutely the case. And that's the reason why we say when you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health, that of the family, but also you contribute to
    the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community. And in other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that's when you get a
    point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community. And that's exactly the reason, and you said it very well, of why we encourage people and want people to get vaccinated. The more people you get vaccinated, the safer the entire
    community is."

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-dr-anthony-fauci-face-the-nation-05-16-2021/


    Yikes! Encyclopedia Britannica is in on it, too!

    'COVID-19 vaccines were effective not only in preventing severe illness but also in limiting the spread of SARS-CoV-2.'
    https://www.britannica.com/science/COVID-19-vaccine

    Your reference: Transcript: Dr. Anthony Fauci on "Face the Nation," May 16, 2021

    But-
    'On 23 August 2021, the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine became the first COVID-19 vaccine to be approved in the United States by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for those aged sixteen years and older.'
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer%E2%80%93BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine

    So you're quoting what Dr. Fauci said about the vaccine 3 months before anyone in the U.S. had even received the vaccine and obviously, therefore, there was no experiential data on which to base what you think he should have said (then) NOW that your
    wonderfully accurate hindsight has come into play. The date of the interview, BTW, was before the subsequent variants became widespread for which the original vaccine was NOT designed. Dr. Fauci, apparently, has to be a fortuneteller to satisfy you.

    Here's a handy measure of how successful the disinformation has been in the U.S.:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#countries-cases

    If COVID vaccines weren't effective in limiting the spread of SARS-CoV-2 what the heck do you think was happening in those other countries? I'd like to know.

    If anything, you should feel, at least, a little embarrassed by that chart.


    On the tracking of breakthrough infections issue, as I recall, the CDC was collecting the data available but didn't consider it reliable because of major inconsistencies in reporting and, responsibly, didn't publish it. On the other hand, It's also
    more meaningful to collect data on severe illness and deaths because that is what a vaccine is intended to protect the public against. It isn't the assigned mission of the CDC to publish data that gives superspreaders a factoid they can use to run around
    shouting, 'See! It doesn't work!'


    ~ Your memory is failing, they flat out said they did NOT track breakthrough infections, until the NYT article of 2-22-22 where they were exposed as liars. Not by fox or Qanon, but by the New York Times


    I wouldn't call collection of what's currently considered unreliable data 'tracking'. I call it collection of what's currently considered unreliable data. You seem to have a compulsion to call it 'tracking'.

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