• Media Bias

    From da pickle@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 11:43:02 2022
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to da pickle on Tue Dec 20 13:50:46 2022
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 9:43:12 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart


    That answers your question in the other thread about Newsweek, doesn't it?

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  • From Paul Popinjay@21:1/5 to da pickle on Tue Dec 20 18:52:28 2022
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 9:43:12 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)



    (Jerkioppolous)

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to da pickle on Wed Dec 21 09:56:03 2022
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Wed Dec 21 11:24:58 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.

    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we already know that
    law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Wed Dec 21 11:35:08 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart


    ~ A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.


    That's a load of nonsense. As in 'pants-load'.

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to risky biz on Wed Dec 21 11:42:02 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    ~ A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.


    That's a load of nonsense. As in 'pants-load'.

    Oh sure, the master of all knowledge has spoken

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Wed Dec 21 11:45:48 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:42:06 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    ~ A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.



    That's a load of nonsense. As in 'pants-load'.


    ~ Oh sure, the master of all knowledge has spoken


    Stop asking if you don't want to hear it.

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Wed Dec 21 12:09:36 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    .

    What's the collusion part?

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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BillB on Wed Dec 21 12:12:30 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:25:01 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into.
    Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some
    collusion that's proven.
    .

    What did they supposedly do?
    .

    Ah! I should have read ahead. Same thing I asked. (And he should have asked FOX).
    .

    I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be
    nonsense.
    .

    Thus, the unanswered question…
    .

    I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we already
    know that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu Dec 22 08:44:05 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:45:52 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 11:42:06 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:35:12 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    ~ A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.



    That's a load of nonsense. As in 'pants-load'.
    ~ Oh sure, the master of all knowledge has spoken


    Stop asking if you don't want to hear it.

    Oh, I want to hear. What specific item are you calling BS on? Chapter and verse, since you read them you know what I mean

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Dec 22 08:47:29 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:25:01 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we already know
    that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

    Surely you have read up on it? If not, why not? Fascinating to read the actual communication between twitter and the FBI, DHS etc. They will be doing Canada soon.

    Its all about the system that was set up for terrorism. Then as usual, a power granted gets abused.

    And Jerry, what does this have to do with Fox?

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu Dec 22 11:10:21 2022
    On 12/20/2022 3:50 PM, risky biz wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 9:43:12 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart


    That answers your question in the other thread about Newsweek, doesn't it?

    I was surprised at Newsweek putting something untrue in it's chick bait.
    I agree that Newsweek is a good source.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Thu Dec 22 11:13:37 2022
    On 12/22/2022 10:47 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:25:01 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous) >>>>
    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the >>>> charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we already know
    that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

    Surely you have read up on it? If not, why not? Fascinating to read the actual communication between twitter and the FBI, DHS etc. They will be doing Canada soon.

    Its all about the system that was set up for terrorism. Then as usual, a power granted gets abused.

    And Jerry, what does this have to do with Fox?

    Blab is identifying as Charlie Brown and Jerrioppolous does not ever,
    ever, ever knows anything about FOX.

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  • From risky biz@21:1/5 to da pickle on Thu Dec 22 09:19:53 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:10:33 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/20/2022 3:50 PM, risky biz wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 9:43:12 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart



    That answers your question in the other thread about Newsweek, doesn't it?

    ~ I was surprised at Newsweek putting something untrue in it's chick bait.
    I agree that Newsweek is a good source.


    Any reasonably perceptive person should be able to discriminate between the facts and the twist in a news article. I see no bad practice in quoting factual information from a source that tends to be biased in general.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to risky biz on Thu Dec 22 12:29:12 2022
    On 12/22/2022 11:19 AM, risky biz wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 9:10:33 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/20/2022 3:50 PM, risky biz wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 9:43:12 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous) >>>>
    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the >>>> charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart



    That answers your question in the other thread about Newsweek, doesn't it?

    ~ I was surprised at Newsweek putting something untrue in it's chick bait.
    I agree that Newsweek is a good source.


    Any reasonably perceptive person should be able to discriminate between the facts and the twist in a news article. I see no bad practice in quoting factual information from a source that tends to be biased in general.

    I agree ... (assuming that you mean "spin" with the word "twist"). The
    lead was not what I expect from Newsweek. They usually get their facts straight.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Thu Dec 22 12:00:37 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:25:01 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we already know
    that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

    Surely you have read up on it? If not, why not? Fascinating to read the actual communication between twitter and the FBI, DHS etc. They will be doing Canada soon.


    As I said above, I have pretty much given up on reading about right-wing conspiracy theories. They have cried wolf far too many times. Can you quote a few examples of the communications you find fascinating? What do you perceive the FBI nefarious motive
    to be?


    Its all about the system that was set up for terrorism. Then as usual, a power granted gets abused.

    Again, you'll have to explain to me how it was abused.

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to VegasJerry on Thu Dec 22 12:48:08 2022
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 3:09:40 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    .

    What's the collusion part?

    I have seen this movie before, I provide proof and you deny. Curate the data yourself

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Dec 22 12:45:59 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 3:00:41 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:25:01 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we already know
    that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

    Surely you have read up on it? If not, why not? Fascinating to read the actual communication between twitter and the FBI, DHS etc. They will be doing Canada soon.

    As I said above, I have pretty much given up on reading about right-wing conspiracy theories. They have cried wolf far too many times. Can you quote a few examples of the communications you find fascinating? What do you perceive the FBI nefarious
    motive to be?

    Not sure how this is right-wing? Elon Musk voted for Biden, Obama, Kerry, and Gore. Sounds damn near loony right.

    I will pull a few later. The initial releases are hard to follow as the journalists had to agree to publish on Twitter first. Hard to tell a story 250 characters at a time.

    One thing without looking is that the dump proves Jack Dorsey lied to congress. He was asked directly if Twitter censors or shadow bans people. He said "No" to both, the dump proves perjury as they were censoring and shadow banning.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Thu Dec 22 13:02:25 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:46:03 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 3:00:41 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:25:01 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we already
    know that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

    Surely you have read up on it? If not, why not? Fascinating to read the actual communication between twitter and the FBI, DHS etc. They will be doing Canada soon.

    As I said above, I have pretty much given up on reading about right-wing conspiracy theories. They have cried wolf far too many times. Can you quote a few examples of the communications you find fascinating? What do you perceive the FBI nefarious
    motive to be?
    Not sure how this is right-wing? Elon Musk voted for Biden, Obama, Kerry, and Gore. Sounds damn near loony right.

    It's right-wing because the story is being promoted, interpreted and spun by the right-wing.

    I will pull a few later. The initial releases are hard to follow as the journalists had to agree to publish on Twitter first. Hard to tell a story 250 characters at a time.

    One thing without looking is that the dump proves Jack Dorsey lied to congress. He was asked directly if Twitter censors or shadow bans people. He said "No" to both, the dump proves perjury as they were censoring and shadow banning.

    How could he say they don't censor people when people have always been suspended or banned from Twitter? What I would like to know is what's wrong with a public corporation censoring people. I haven't been able to figure that one out.

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Dec 22 13:06:56 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:46:03 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 3:00:41 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:25:01 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we already
    know that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

    Surely you have read up on it? If not, why not? Fascinating to read the actual communication between twitter and the FBI, DHS etc. They will be doing Canada soon.

    As I said above, I have pretty much given up on reading about right-wing conspiracy theories. They have cried wolf far too many times. Can you quote a few examples of the communications you find fascinating? What do you perceive the FBI nefarious
    motive to be?
    Not sure how this is right-wing? Elon Musk voted for Biden, Obama, Kerry, and Gore. Sounds damn near loony right.
    It's right-wing because the story is being promoted, interpreted and spun by the right-wing.

    And not reported on at all in the leftist media. They pretend like it never happened.



    I will pull a few later. The initial releases are hard to follow as the journalists had to agree to publish on Twitter first. Hard to tell a story 250 characters at a time.

    One thing without looking is that the dump proves Jack Dorsey lied to congress. He was asked directly if Twitter censors or shadow bans people. He said "No" to both, the dump proves perjury as they were censoring and shadow banning.

    How could he say they don't censor people when people have always been suspended or banned from Twitter? What I would like to know is what's wrong with a public corporation censoring people. I haven't been able to figure that one out.

    Nothing wrong with it, but why lie, they asked, and he lied. He could have said "Hell Yes We Do". Last time I checked lying under oath is perjury.

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  • From BTSinAustin@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Dec 22 13:37:51 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:22:20 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:07:00 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:46:03 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 3:00:41 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:25:01 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we
    already know that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

    Surely you have read up on it? If not, why not? Fascinating to read the actual communication between twitter and the FBI, DHS etc. They will be doing Canada soon.

    As I said above, I have pretty much given up on reading about right-wing conspiracy theories. They have cried wolf far too many times. Can you quote a few examples of the communications you find fascinating? What do you perceive the FBI
    nefarious motive to be?
    Not sure how this is right-wing? Elon Musk voted for Biden, Obama, Kerry, and Gore. Sounds damn near loony right.
    It's right-wing because the story is being promoted, interpreted and spun by the right-wing.

    And not reported on at all in the leftist media. They pretend like it never happened.
    Pretend WHAT never happened?? What is the news story?
    I will pull a few later. The initial releases are hard to follow as the journalists had to agree to publish on Twitter first. Hard to tell a story 250 characters at a time.

    One thing without looking is that the dump proves Jack Dorsey lied to congress. He was asked directly if Twitter censors or shadow bans people. He said "No" to both, the dump proves perjury as they were censoring and shadow banning.

    How could he say they don't censor people when people have always been suspended or banned from Twitter? What I would like to know is what's wrong with a public corporation censoring people. I haven't been able to figure that one out.

    Nothing wrong with it, but why lie, they asked, and he lied. He could have said "Hell Yes We Do". Last time I checked lying under oath is perjury.
    I just looked it up and it seems the question he was asked was if they censor conservatives. That question can be taken to be asking if conservatives were singled out for unequal treatment just because they were conservatives. That was what his "no"
    answer referred to. It wouldn't make sense to take it any other way because it is common knowledge that Twitter has censored certain kinds of posts since Day 1.

    And yet, the Twitter dumps show they did censor conservatives.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Thu Dec 22 13:22:17 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:07:00 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:46:03 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 3:00:41 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:25:01 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we
    already know that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

    Surely you have read up on it? If not, why not? Fascinating to read the actual communication between twitter and the FBI, DHS etc. They will be doing Canada soon.

    As I said above, I have pretty much given up on reading about right-wing conspiracy theories. They have cried wolf far too many times. Can you quote a few examples of the communications you find fascinating? What do you perceive the FBI nefarious
    motive to be?
    Not sure how this is right-wing? Elon Musk voted for Biden, Obama, Kerry, and Gore. Sounds damn near loony right.
    It's right-wing because the story is being promoted, interpreted and spun by the right-wing.

    And not reported on at all in the leftist media. They pretend like it never happened.

    Pretend WHAT never happened?? What is the news story?

    I will pull a few later. The initial releases are hard to follow as the journalists had to agree to publish on Twitter first. Hard to tell a story 250 characters at a time.

    One thing without looking is that the dump proves Jack Dorsey lied to congress. He was asked directly if Twitter censors or shadow bans people. He said "No" to both, the dump proves perjury as they were censoring and shadow banning.

    How could he say they don't censor people when people have always been suspended or banned from Twitter? What I would like to know is what's wrong with a public corporation censoring people. I haven't been able to figure that one out.

    Nothing wrong with it, but why lie, they asked, and he lied. He could have said "Hell Yes We Do". Last time I checked lying under oath is perjury.

    I just looked it up and it seems the question he was asked was if they censor conservatives. That question can be taken to be asking if conservatives were singled out for unequal treatment just because they were conservatives. That was what his "no"
    answer referred to. It wouldn't make sense to take it any other way because it is common knowledge that Twitter has censored certain kinds of posts since Day 1.

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Thu Dec 22 13:53:42 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:37:55 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:22:20 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:07:00 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:46:03 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 3:00:41 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:25:01 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we
    already know that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

    Surely you have read up on it? If not, why not? Fascinating to read the actual communication between twitter and the FBI, DHS etc. They will be doing Canada soon.

    As I said above, I have pretty much given up on reading about right-wing conspiracy theories. They have cried wolf far too many times. Can you quote a few examples of the communications you find fascinating? What do you perceive the FBI
    nefarious motive to be?
    Not sure how this is right-wing? Elon Musk voted for Biden, Obama, Kerry, and Gore. Sounds damn near loony right.
    It's right-wing because the story is being promoted, interpreted and spun by the right-wing.

    And not reported on at all in the leftist media. They pretend like it never happened.
    Pretend WHAT never happened?? What is the news story?
    I will pull a few later. The initial releases are hard to follow as the journalists had to agree to publish on Twitter first. Hard to tell a story 250 characters at a time.

    One thing without looking is that the dump proves Jack Dorsey lied to congress. He was asked directly if Twitter censors or shadow bans people. He said "No" to both, the dump proves perjury as they were censoring and shadow banning.

    How could he say they don't censor people when people have always been suspended or banned from Twitter? What I would like to know is what's wrong with a public corporation censoring people. I haven't been able to figure that one out.

    Nothing wrong with it, but why lie, they asked, and he lied. He could have said "Hell Yes We Do". Last time I checked lying under oath is perjury.
    I just looked it up and it seems the question he was asked was if they censor conservatives. That question can be taken to be asking if conservatives were singled out for unequal treatment just because they were conservatives. That was what his "no"
    answer referred to. It wouldn't make sense to take it any other way because it is common knowledge that Twitter has censored certain kinds of posts since Day 1.
    And yet, the Twitter dumps show they did censor conservatives.

    They have censored people of every political stripe since Day 1. The question is if they censored conservatives simply because they are conservatives, or rather because of something they said that did not meet their standards of conduct or terms of
    service. I think when Dorsey said "No" he meant they were not singling out conservatives just because they are conservatives. That's what the question implied. There is no way you are getting a perjury conviction on something that ambiguous. I think any
    finder of fact would conclude that there is no way he meant to say that no conservative has ever been censored on Twitter. That would be an absurd interpretation.

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Thu Dec 22 16:09:39 2022
    On 12/22/2022 3:53 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:37:55 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:22:20 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:07:00 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:02:29 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:46:03 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 3:00:41 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:25:01 PM UTC-5, BillB wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the
    charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    What did they supposedly do? I don't even read these elaborate right-wing conspiracy theories anymore. They always turn out to be nonsense. I feel like I am Charlie Brown and Fox News is Lucy pulling the ball away every time. Didn't we already
    know that law enforcement has been monitoring and trapping people on social media since Day 1?

    Surely you have read up on it? If not, why not? Fascinating to read the actual communication between twitter and the FBI, DHS etc. They will be doing Canada soon.

    As I said above, I have pretty much given up on reading about right-wing conspiracy theories. They have cried wolf far too many times. Can you quote a few examples of the communications you find fascinating? What do you perceive the FBI nefarious
    motive to be?
    Not sure how this is right-wing? Elon Musk voted for Biden, Obama, Kerry, and Gore. Sounds damn near loony right.
    It's right-wing because the story is being promoted, interpreted and spun by the right-wing.

    And not reported on at all in the leftist media. They pretend like it never happened.
    Pretend WHAT never happened?? What is the news story?
    I will pull a few later. The initial releases are hard to follow as the journalists had to agree to publish on Twitter first. Hard to tell a story 250 characters at a time.

    One thing without looking is that the dump proves Jack Dorsey lied to congress. He was asked directly if Twitter censors or shadow bans people. He said "No" to both, the dump proves perjury as they were censoring and shadow banning.

    How could he say they don't censor people when people have always been suspended or banned from Twitter? What I would like to know is what's wrong with a public corporation censoring people. I haven't been able to figure that one out.

    Nothing wrong with it, but why lie, they asked, and he lied. He could have said "Hell Yes We Do". Last time I checked lying under oath is perjury.
    I just looked it up and it seems the question he was asked was if they censor conservatives. That question can be taken to be asking if conservatives were singled out for unequal treatment just because they were conservatives. That was what his "no"
    answer referred to. It wouldn't make sense to take it any other way because it is common knowledge that Twitter has censored certain kinds of posts since Day 1.
    And yet, the Twitter dumps show they did censor conservatives.

    They have censored people of every political stripe since Day 1. The question is if they censored conservatives simply because they are conservatives, or rather because of something they said that did not meet their standards of conduct or terms of
    service. I think when Dorsey said "No" he meant they were not singling out conservatives just because they are conservatives. That's what the question implied. There is no way you are getting a perjury conviction on something that ambiguous. I think any
    finder of fact would conclude that there is no way he meant to say that no conservative has ever been censored on Twitter. That would be an absurd interpretation.

    "absurd" is an understatement for your posts ...

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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Thu Dec 22 14:18:12 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 2:09:52 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    "absurd" is an understatement for your posts ...

    More pickle nothingness. You might as well be a doorstop.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From VegasJerry@21:1/5 to BTSinAustin on Thu Dec 22 15:57:12 2022
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:48:12 PM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 3:09:40 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 9:56:07 AM UTC-8, BTSinAustin wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-5, da pickle wrote:
    This is a complicated question ... (except for Blab and Jerrioppolous)

    An interesting site has a lot of useful information.

    Take some time and see if agreement is possible on at least some of the charts and presentations.

    https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
    A much more interesting question would be.. How far into ALL media has the US government got into. Ala Twitter files smoking guns that show the FBI was in balls deep at Twitter. Now there is some collusion that's proven.
    .

    What's the collusion part?
    .

    I have seen this movie before, I provide proof and you deny. Curate the data yourself
    .

    As have I seen this movie before. And as before:

    *** Knew you couldn't show ... Knew you'd run ***

    ** YAWN **

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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Fri Dec 23 07:28:12 2022
    On 12/22/2022 4:18 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 2:09:52 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    "absurd" is an understatement for your posts ...

    More pickle nothingness. You might as well be a doorstop.

    Still running

    Most negative information about Trump/family

    Most negative information about Biden/family

    Most left-leaning article

    Most right-leaning article

    Last time you used Reuters as a source on rgp.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Fri Dec 23 07:45:53 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 5:28:24 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/22/2022 4:18 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 2:09:52 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    "absurd" is an understatement for your posts ...

    More pickle nothingness. You might as well be a doorstop.

    Still running

    For the fourth time, I asked you what devastating question you think I am "running from." You have not provided one. I have never run from any question, although there have been a few irrelevant personal questions I have declined to answer over the
    years.


    Most negative information about Trump/family

    Most negative information about Biden/family

    Most left-leaning article

    Most right-leaning article

    Last time you used Reuters as a source on rgp.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Fri Dec 23 10:00:09 2022
    On 12/23/2022 9:45 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 5:28:24 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/22/2022 4:18 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 2:09:52 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    "absurd" is an understatement for your posts ...

    More pickle nothingness. You might as well be a doorstop.

    Still running

    For the fourth time, I asked you what devastating question you think I am "running from." You have not provided one. I have never run from any question, although there have been a few irrelevant personal questions I have declined to answer over the
    years.

    So many chances to give simple answers about your facts about "sources"
    of "news" and which ones provide you with the

    Most negative information about Trump/family

    Most negative information about Biden/family

    Most left-leaning articles

    Most right-leaning articles

    Last time you used Reuters as a source on rgp.

    You are correct about one thing ... it is more than one question.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BillB@21:1/5 to da pickle on Fri Dec 23 08:34:29 2022
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:00:20 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/23/2022 9:45 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 5:28:24 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/22/2022 4:18 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 2:09:52 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:

    "absurd" is an understatement for your posts ...

    More pickle nothingness. You might as well be a doorstop.

    Still running

    For the fourth time, I asked you what devastating question you think I am "running from." You have not provided one. I have never run from any question, although there have been a few irrelevant personal questions I have declined to answer over the
    years.
    So many chances to give simple answers about your facts about "sources"
    of "news" and which ones provide you with the
    Most negative information about Trump/family

    Most negative information about Biden/family

    Most left-leaning articles

    Most right-leaning articles

    Last time you used Reuters as a source on rgp.
    You are correct about one thing ... it is more than one question.

    Those are not questions. They are sentence fragments.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From da pickle@21:1/5 to BillB on Fri Dec 23 11:49:23 2022
    On 12/23/2022 10:34 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:00:20 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/23/2022 9:45 AM, BillB wrote:
    On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 5:28:24 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
    On 12/22/2022 4:18 PM, BillB wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 2:09:52 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote: >>>>>
    "absurd" is an understatement for your posts ...

    More pickle nothingness. You might as well be a doorstop.

    Still running

    For the fourth time, I asked you what devastating question you think I am "running from." You have not provided one. I have never run from any question, although there have been a few irrelevant personal questions I have declined to answer over the
    years.
    So many chances to give simple answers about your facts about "sources"
    of "news" and which ones provide you with the
    Most negative information about Trump/family

    Most negative information about Biden/family

    Most left-leaning articles

    Most right-leaning articles

    Last time you used Reuters as a source on rgp.
    You are correct about one thing ... it is more than one question.

    Those are not questions. They are sentence fragments.

    Skid marks ... who knew a quacker could run so fast.

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