On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/12/2022 6:02 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:08:21 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
The fire is still hot.
There are some frightening people on the internet. I'm learning to appreciate Jerry more each day. Really a frightening person. Very scary.Jerry was always a little "off" but of if he really strangled those cats twice and may have buried them alive, he is indeed not only dangerous
but worthless.
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our
military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the
women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
Michael
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our
military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The
aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the
women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person."Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify execution (IMO).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe
the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set
off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in
the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with
the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our
military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The >> aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the
women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person."Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify execution (IMO).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in
the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with
the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
I can't guess what, if anything, in my prior posting history here would make you think I wouldn't consider it proper to use armed force against a violent mob.
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person.
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our
military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The
aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the
women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
"Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until
people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify
execution (IMO).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe
the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the
possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set
off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the
Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in
the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with
the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
You sound extremely confused, that's for sure. The burning and looting celebrating the George Floyd hoax in some locations was extensive and amounted to armed rebellion. An armed mass of arsonists and looters is far different from an individualarsonist or robber and since when is it unacceptable to shoot an armed robber or violent mob, anyway? Mass arson and looting are not a 'demonstration' and it's pretty obvious that I DIDN'T advocate shooting peaceful demonstrators which you seem to be
I can't guess what, if anything, in my prior posting history here would make you think I wouldn't consider it proper to use armed force against a violent mob.
On 12/14/2022 4:20 PM, risky biz wrote:Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person.
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our
military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The >>>> aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the
women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
"Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until >> people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify
execution (IMO).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe >> the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the
possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set >> off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the >> Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in
the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with
the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
arsonist or robber and since when is it unacceptable to shoot an armed robber or violent mob, anyway? Mass arson and looting are not a 'demonstration' and it's pretty obvious that I DIDN'T advocate shooting peaceful demonstrators which you seem to beYou sound extremely confused, that's for sure. The burning and looting celebrating the George Floyd hoax in some locations was extensive and amounted to armed rebellion. An armed mass of arsonists and looters is far different from an individual
I can't guess what, if anything, in my prior posting history here would make you think I wouldn't consider it proper to use armed force against a violent mob.I was wondering how you could tell the shooters to just shoot (who) and
not the women stealing the baby formula.
On 12/14/2022 4:20 PM, risky biz wrote:Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person.
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our
military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The >>>> aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the
women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
"Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until >> people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify
execution (IMO).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe >> the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the
possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set >> off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the >> Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in
the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with
the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
arsonist or robber and since when is it unacceptable to shoot an armed robber or violent mob, anyway? Mass arson and looting are not a 'demonstration' and it's pretty obvious that I DIDN'T advocate shooting peaceful demonstrators which you seem to beYou sound extremely confused, that's for sure. The burning and looting celebrating the George Floyd hoax in some locations was extensive and amounted to armed rebellion. An armed mass of arsonists and looters is far different from an individual
I can't guess what, if anything, in my prior posting history here would make you think I wouldn't consider it proper to use armed force against a violent mob.I was wondering how you could tell the shooters to just shoot (who) and
not the women stealing the baby formula.
On 12/14/2022 4:20 PM, risky biz wrote:Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person.
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our
military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The >>>> aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the
women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
"Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until >> people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify
execution (IMO).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe >> the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the
possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set >> off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the >> Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in
the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with
the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
arsonist or robber and since when is it unacceptable to shoot an armed robber or violent mob, anyway? Mass arson and looting are not a 'demonstration' and it's pretty obvious that I DIDN'T advocate shooting peaceful demonstrators which you seem to beYou sound extremely confused, that's for sure. The burning and looting celebrating the George Floyd hoax in some locations was extensive and amounted to armed rebellion. An armed mass of arsonists and looters is far different from an individual
I can't guess what, if anything, in my prior posting history here would make you think I wouldn't consider it proper to use armed force against a violent mob.
not the women stealing the baby formula.
On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 2:43:52 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person.
On 12/14/2022 4:20 PM, risky biz wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote: >>>
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our >>>> military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The >>>> aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the >>>> women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
"Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until
people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify >> execution (IMO).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe >> the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the >> possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set
off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the
Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in >> the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with >> the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
arsonist or robber and since when is it unacceptable to shoot an armed robber or violent mob, anyway? Mass arson and looting are not a 'demonstration' and it's pretty obvious that I DIDN'T advocate shooting peaceful demonstrators which you seem to beYou sound extremely confused, that's for sure. The burning and looting celebrating the George Floyd hoax in some locations was extensive and amounted to armed rebellion. An armed mass of arsonists and looters is far different from an individual
I can't guess what, if anything, in my prior posting history here would make you think I wouldn't consider it proper to use armed force against a violent mob.I was wondering how you could tell the shooters to just shoot (who) and not the women stealing the baby formula.
Michael
You have to take into consideration that the "looters" in his account are black.
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:31:45 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
~ On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:19:19 AM UTC-8, Splashie wrote:
You have to take into consideration that the "looters" in his account are black.
~ I don't think so.
Oh, let 'splashy' have his little thing. It's all he has. Besides- what 'liberal' could ever guess that a looter might be anything but black.
~ And by the way, I didn't mention, but I think the National Guard, and the Marines, have a different proper role. If I recall, Bush brought in the Marines for Rodney King. Of course, Bush is a globalist who cares squat about the Constitution.
I don't know what happened during the Rodney King riots but a governor can call out the National Guard without being subject to the Posse Comitatus Act which restrains the President. In some states, it is still legal for a sheriff or other governmentofficial to call out a militia or posse.
On 12/14/2022 8:32 PM, risky biz wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:31:45 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
~ On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:19:19 AM UTC-8, Splashie wrote:
You have to take into consideration that the "looters" in his account are black.
~ I don't think so.
Oh, let 'splashy' have his little thing. It's all he has. Besides- what 'liberal' could ever guess that a looter might be anything but black.
~ And by the way, I didn't mention, but I think the National Guard, and the Marines, have a different proper role. If I recall, Bush brought in the Marines for Rodney King. Of course, Bush is a globalist who cares squat about the Constitution.
official to call out a militia or posse.I don't know what happened during the Rodney King riots but a governor can call out the National Guard without being subject to the Posse Comitatus Act which restrains the President. In some states, it is still legal for a sheriff or other government
disagree with ... I mean wanton shooting of looters.
On 12/14/2022 8:32 PM, risky biz wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:31:45 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
~ On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:19:19 AM UTC-8, Splashie wrote:
You have to take into consideration that the "looters" in his account are black.
~ I don't think so.
Oh, let 'splashy' have his little thing. It's all he has. Besides- what 'liberal' could ever guess that a looter might be anything but black.
~ And by the way, I didn't mention, but I think the National Guard, and the Marines, have a different proper role. If I recall, Bush brought in the Marines for Rodney King. Of course, Bush is a globalist who cares squat about the Constitution.
official to call out a militia or posse.I don't know what happened during the Rodney King riots but a governor can call out the National Guard without being subject to the Posse Comitatus Act which restrains the President. In some states, it is still legal for a sheriff or other government
disagree with ... I mean wanton shooting of looters.
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our
military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The
aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the
women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person."Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify execution (IMO).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe
the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set
off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in
the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with
the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:40:08 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:official to call out a militia or posse.
On 12/14/2022 8:32 PM, risky biz wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:31:45 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
~ On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:19:19 AM UTC-8, Splashie wrote:
You have to take into consideration that the "looters" in his account are black.
~ I don't think so.
Oh, let 'splashy' have his little thing. It's all he has. Besides- what 'liberal' could ever guess that a looter might be anything but black.
~ And by the way, I didn't mention, but I think the National Guard, and the Marines, have a different proper role. If I recall, Bush brought in the Marines for Rodney King. Of course, Bush is a globalist who cares squat about the Constitution.
I don't know what happened during the Rodney King riots but a governor can call out the National Guard without being subject to the Posse Comitatus Act which restrains the President. In some states, it is still legal for a sheriff or other government
~ No problem with calling out the troops ... it is slaughter that I
disagree with ... I mean wanton shooting of looters.
Some call it 'domestic terrorism'.previously reported.
AJC
Atlanta training center protesters charged with domestic terrorism
CNN
Five people arrested on domestic terrorism charges in clash at Atlanta's 'Cop City' site
'CNN —
Five people were arrested and charged with domestic terrorism in Atlanta on Tuesday after a clash between activists and law enforcement at a site set to be turned into a state-of-the-art training facility for police, state investigators said.
The planned $90 million, 85-acre Atlanta Public Safety Training Center is to be built in a forested area of Dekalb County that used to be a prison farm. The proposed facility will include a shooting range, mock city and burn building, CNN has
Activists determined to stop the project – dubbed “Cop City” – have camped out in the forest’s trees and have said they do not plan to leave.makeshift treehouses.”
On Tuesday, several police agencies entered the site as part of a joint operation to remove barricades that were blocking some of the entrances to the center, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said.
“Yesterday, several people threw rocks at police cars and attacked EMT’s outside the neighboring fire stations with rocks and bottles,” the bureau said Wednesday. “Task force members used various tactics to arrest individuals who were occupying
The bureau said police cleared the area of makeshift treehouses and later found explosive devices, gasoline and road flares.'
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/14/us/atlanta-police-cop-city-terrorism/index.html
11Alive
Five people arrested and charged with domestic terrorism over 'Cop City' protest clashes
5 hours ago
FOX 5 Atlanta
Five people charged with domestic terrorism near 'Cop City' site, protestors condemn police tactics
13 hours ago
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person.
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our
military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The
aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the
women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
"Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
~ I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until
people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify
execution (IMO).
The real crime is the violation of civil order by a dangerous, violent mob, not an isolated theft or robbery. Other citizens have no obligation to tolerate wholesale repudiation of law and order. It is a gross violation of their own rights.
And since when does someone not have the right to respond violently to an individual robbing them by the use or threat of violence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe
the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the
possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set
off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the
Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in
the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with
the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
And since when does someone not have the right to respond violently to an individual robbing them by the use or threat of violence?
You have switched from the police/soldiers shooting the looters to the individual "citizens" who are being threatened and robbed. Big giant difference. I certainly agree that the citizen can defend their homes
and businesses with lethal resistance.
Jeez, Justin Trudeau shut down an veritable army of truckers who had basically declared war on Canada and done $4 billion worth of damage, and as far as I know the worst thing that happened was someone got knocked down by a horse.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
Jeez, Justin Trudeau shut down an veritable army of truckers who had basically declared war on Canada and done $4 billion worth of damage, and as far as I know the worst thing that happened was someone got knocked down by a horse.Did the horse get his bank account frozen?
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
Did the horse get his bank account frozen?
Jeez, Justin Trudeau shut down an veritable army of truckers who had basically declared war on Canada and done $4 billion worth of damage, and as far as I know the worst thing that happened was someone got knocked down by a horse.
LOL, that is funny.
Michael
On 12/16/2022 11:12 AM, Splashie wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
Did the horse get his bank account frozen?
Jeez, Justin Trudeau shut down an veritable army of truckers who had basically declared war on Canada and done $4 billion worth of damage, and as far as I know the worst thing that happened was someone got knocked down by a horse.
LOL, that is funny.
MichaelFour Billion worth of damage and nothing happened to the perps ...
except the one guy that got knocked down. Interesting justice.
On 12/15/2022 1:55 PM, risky biz wrote:government official to call out a militia or posse.
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:40:08 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/14/2022 8:32 PM, risky biz wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:31:45 AM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
~ On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:19:19 AM UTC-8, Splashie wrote: >>>>
You have to take into consideration that the "looters" in his account are black.
~ I don't think so.
Oh, let 'splashy' have his little thing. It's all he has. Besides- what 'liberal' could ever guess that a looter might be anything but black.
~ And by the way, I didn't mention, but I think the National Guard, and the Marines, have a different proper role. If I recall, Bush brought in the Marines for Rodney King. Of course, Bush is a globalist who cares squat about the Constitution.
I don't know what happened during the Rodney King riots but a governor can call out the National Guard without being subject to the Posse Comitatus Act which restrains the President. In some states, it is still legal for a sheriff or other
~ No problem with calling out the troops ... it is slaughter that I
disagree with ... I mean wanton shooting of looters.
previously reported.Some call it 'domestic terrorism'.
AJC
Atlanta training center protesters charged with domestic terrorism
CNN
Five people arrested on domestic terrorism charges in clash at Atlanta's 'Cop City' site
'CNN —
Five people were arrested and charged with domestic terrorism in Atlanta on Tuesday after a clash between activists and law enforcement at a site set to be turned into a state-of-the-art training facility for police, state investigators said.
The planned $90 million, 85-acre Atlanta Public Safety Training Center is to be built in a forested area of Dekalb County that used to be a prison farm. The proposed facility will include a shooting range, mock city and burn building, CNN has
occupying makeshift treehouses.”Activists determined to stop the project – dubbed “Cop City” – have camped out in the forest’s trees and have said they do not plan to leave.
On Tuesday, several police agencies entered the site as part of a joint operation to remove barricades that were blocking some of the entrances to the center, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said.
“Yesterday, several people threw rocks at police cars and attacked EMT’s outside the neighboring fire stations with rocks and bottles,” the bureau said Wednesday. “Task force members used various tactics to arrest individuals who were
The bureau said police cleared the area of makeshift treehouses and later found explosive devices, gasoline and road flares.'
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/14/us/atlanta-police-cop-city-terrorism/index.html
11Alive
Five people arrested and charged with domestic terrorism over 'Cop City' protest clashes
5 hours ago
FOX 5 Atlanta
Five people charged with domestic terrorism near 'Cop City' site, protestors condemn police tactics
13 hours ago
On 12/15/2022 2:02 PM, risky biz wrote:Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person.
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our
military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The >>>> aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the
women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
"Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
~ I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until
people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify
execution (IMO).
The real crime is the violation of civil order by a dangerous, violent mob, not an isolated theft or robbery. Other citizens have no obligation to tolerate wholesale repudiation of law and order. It is a gross violation of their own rights.
And since when does someone not have the right to respond violently to an individual robbing them by the use or threat of violence?
individual "citizens" who are being threatened and robbed. Big giant difference.
and businesses with lethal resistance.
wholesale "shooting the looters" would ever be justified ... unless, of course, we move a little further and have the soldiers move in and get personally threatened by the looters and then fatal action might be justified ... should the tear gas and other non-lethal means fail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe >> the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the
possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set >> off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the >> Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in
the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with
the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:23:48 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person.
On 12/15/2022 2:02 PM, risky biz wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our >>>>>> military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The >>>>>> aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the >>>>>> women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
"Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
~ I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until >>>> people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify
execution (IMO).
The real crime is the violation of civil order by a dangerous, violent mob, not an isolated theft or robbery. Other citizens have no obligation to tolerate wholesale repudiation of law and order. It is a gross violation of their own rights.
And since when does someone not have the right to respond violently to an individual robbing them by the use or threat of violence?
~ You have switched from the police/soldiers shooting the looters to the
individual "citizens" who are being threatened and robbed. Big giant
difference.
That wasn't a 'switch', it was an illustrative example.
~ I certainly agree that the citizen can defend their homes
and businesses with lethal resistance.
But a mob burning down businesses doesn't count? You aren't being the least bit consistent.
~ The police/soldiers are different ... I do not understand your idea that
wholesale "shooting the looters" would ever be justified ... unless, of
course, we move a little further and have the soldiers move in and get
personally threatened by the looters and then fatal action might be
justified ... should the tear gas and other non-lethal means fail.
There obviously WAS a fail since the local governments in some of those localities allowed violent mobs to rule the streets.
~ Why did you not comment on my comments below?
Because I didn't notice anything compelling about it and your characterization that it was worse was far off the mark. Recall the Kyle Rittenhouse incident. Businesses were burnt to the ground, members of the mob were armed, and the general publiclived in fear of approaching the locality which was PUBLIC streets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe >>>> the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the >>>> possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or
was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set >>>> off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the >>>> Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in >>>> the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with >>>> the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a
rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
On 12/16/2022 3:49 PM, risky biz wrote:Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:23:48 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/15/2022 2:02 PM, risky biz wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote: >>>>>
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our >>>>>> military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The >>>>>> aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the >>>>>> women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
"Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
~ I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until
people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify >>>> execution (IMO).
The real crime is the violation of civil order by a dangerous, violent mob, not an isolated theft or robbery. Other citizens have no obligation to tolerate wholesale repudiation of law and order. It is a gross violation of their own rights.
And since when does someone not have the right to respond violently to an individual robbing them by the use or threat of violence?
~ You have switched from the police/soldiers shooting the looters to the
individual "citizens" who are being threatened and robbed. Big giant
difference.
That wasn't a 'switch', it was an illustrative example.
~ I certainly agree that the citizen can defend their homes
and businesses with lethal resistance.
But a mob burning down businesses doesn't count? You aren't being the least bit consistent.
~ The police/soldiers are different ... I do not understand your idea that
wholesale "shooting the looters" would ever be justified ... unless, of >> course, we move a little further and have the soldiers move in and get
personally threatened by the looters and then fatal action might be
justified ... should the tear gas and other non-lethal means fail.
There obviously WAS a fail since the local governments in some of those localities allowed violent mobs to rule the streets.
~ Why did you not comment on my comments below?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe >>>> the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the >>>> possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or >>>> was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set
off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the
Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in >>>> the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with >>>> the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a >>>> rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
a city, they should be confronted and not ignored, is spot on. Going in shooting, however, is not the solution.
If a violent mob that is burning and looting and refuses to desist burning and looting after several clear warnings and less lethal dispersal techniqes fail to halt it - - live ammo should be employed.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:42:46 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
If a violent mob that is burning and looting and refuses to desist burning and looting after several clear warnings and less lethal dispersal techniqes fail to halt it - - live ammo should be employed.I agree with this sentiment.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 3:12:14 PM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:Maybe you can change my mind, I feel you're a very reasonable person.
On 12/16/2022 3:49 PM, risky biz wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:23:48 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
On 12/15/2022 2:02 PM, risky biz wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote: >>>>>> On 12/13/2022 10:06 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:26:19 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote: >>>>>>>
I also really do not understand risky when he want to call out our >>>>>>>> military to shoot folks robbing a store during a "demonstration". The >>>>>>>> aftermath of such a slaughter would be unbelievable. I presume the >>>>>>>> women carrying babies would be shot too! And the children.
Doesn't sound like risky.
"Watts 1965" comes to my mind. I think violent riots can reach a point where the National Guard can be justified in shooting looters and rioters. No, I do not want the United States to become Tianeman Square, but civil violence can reach a point.
lived in fear of approaching the locality which was PUBLIC streets.
~ I do believe "civil violence" is a good definition for looting ... until
people begin to get hurt, however, looting (robbery) does not justify >>>>>> execution (IMO).
The real crime is the violation of civil order by a dangerous, violent mob, not an isolated theft or robbery. Other citizens have no obligation to tolerate wholesale repudiation of law and order. It is a gross violation of their own rights.
And since when does someone not have the right to respond violently to an individual robbing them by the use or threat of violence?
~ You have switched from the police/soldiers shooting the looters to the >>>> individual "citizens" who are being threatened and robbed. Big giant
difference.
That wasn't a 'switch', it was an illustrative example.
~ I certainly agree that the citizen can defend their homes
and businesses with lethal resistance.
But a mob burning down businesses doesn't count? You aren't being the least bit consistent.
~ The police/soldiers are different ... I do not understand your idea that >>>> wholesale "shooting the looters" would ever be justified ... unless, of >>>> course, we move a little further and have the soldiers move in and get >>>> personally threatened by the looters and then fatal action might be
justified ... should the tear gas and other non-lethal means fail.
There obviously WAS a fail since the local governments in some of those localities allowed violent mobs to rule the streets.
~ Why did you not comment on my comments below?
~ Because I didn't notice anything compelling about it and your characterization that it was worse was far off the mark. Recall the Kyle Rittenhouse incident. Businesses were burnt to the ground, members of the mob were armed, and the general public
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
What was happening at Kent State (IMO) was worse than unorganized
looting ... there are two sides to the disaster at Kent State ... maybe >>>>>> the burning of the building and the growing mobs and the rocks and the >>>>>> possible danger set the scene for the shooting. Whether there was or >>>>>> was not a sniper with the students is questionable ... but something set >>>>>> off the shooting ... maybe it was or maybe it was not justified, but the >>>>>> Kent State actions were much, much worse than just looting.
Actions by "looters" and more after Katrina in New Orleans resulted in >>>>>> the National Guard getting involved ... I was friends at the time with >>>>>> the Commander ... and his accounts were really enlightening. The
looting was overwhelming and much of it was gang related. NOLA is a >>>>>> rough place normally and more so at that time.
I am still wondering about why risky said the looting should be shot.
~ Still no comment ... your idea that when a mob takes over many blocks of
a city, they should be confronted and not ignored, is spot on. Going in
shooting, however, is not the solution.
Stop the pretense that I said what you're saying. I never said a group of 'protestors' should just be surrounded and shot.
If a violent mob that is burning and looting and refuses to desist burning and looting after several clear warnings and less lethal dispersal techniqes fail to halt it - - live ammo should be employed.
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