• wow, never had carrot cake this bad

    From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 1 20:39:04 2025
    how can you mess that up?

    the place we went to today had that as a dessert option.
    it was horrible. the cake wasn't very good and was too
    salty but the frosting (which is the main positive feature
    to me) was very nasty it was so salty.

    i brought it to the servers attention and she said they'd
    changed the supplier of the frosting. i said they should
    pull it from the display it was so bad. 20 minutes later
    it was still there.

    the rest of the food was fairly ok, but not my favorite
    place to go. i did have some cherry pie that was ok to
    get the taste of that carrot cake out of my mouth. i also
    sampled their bread pudding (yuck) and banana pudding
    (better), chocolate chess pie (not for me), some rice
    krispy treats (how can you mess those up? perhaps they
    came from a package instead of made their they weren't
    that good).

    a large salad of romaine and spinach along with plenty of
    fresh mushrooms, some broccoli bits, cranberries, with
    ranch dressing, was good. boneless ribs with bbq sauce were
    ok, some smoked pulled pork was ok, few things were cooked
    to death (the pot roast was like leather and some other
    chicken entry was like eating pebbles).

    on the whole, not worth it to me since i can't eat that
    much to begin with. most of the portions i was taking were
    just enough to taste and so i didn't leave there over-full
    which was a wise choice.

    we had to run some other errands so we didn't get back
    home for a few hours but i was so glad to be able to finish
    off the tapioca pudding i made last week.


    songbird

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jul 3 12:00:27 2025
    On 7/1/2025 8:39 PM, songbird wrote:
    how can you mess that up?

    the place we went to today had that as a dessert option.
    it was horrible. the cake wasn't very good and was too
    salty but the frosting (which is the main positive feature
    to me) was very nasty it was so salty.

    i brought it to the servers attention and she said they'd
    changed the supplier of the frosting. i said they should
    pull it from the display it was so bad. 20 minutes later
    it was still there.

    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the
    unsalted that the recipe calls for. I find that whatever level of salt
    is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without being overwhelming.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Thu Jul 3 17:42:09 2025
    On 2025-07-03, Michael Trew <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/1/2025 8:39 PM, songbird wrote:
    how can you mess that up?

    the place we went to today had that as a dessert option.
    it was horrible. the cake wasn't very good and was too
    salty but the frosting (which is the main positive feature
    to me) was very nasty it was so salty.

    i brought it to the servers attention and she said they'd
    changed the supplier of the frosting. i said they should
    pull it from the display it was so bad. 20 minutes later
    it was still there.

    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the
    unsalted that the recipe calls for. I find that whatever level of salt
    is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without being overwhelming.

    Carrot cake should have cream cheese icing. Most people use
    about 50% butter.

    Back in the day, I just used to beat a little honey into some
    cream cheese. Somewhere along the way I lost my taste for
    honey, so I use confectioner's sugar just like everybody else.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Thu Jul 3 14:07:08 2025
    Michael Trew wrote:
    ...
    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the
    unsalted that the recipe calls for. I find that whatever level of salt
    is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without being overwhelming.

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).

    this was way beyond the level of salt anyone would
    expect.


    songbird

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jul 3 21:36:10 2025
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:
    ...
    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the
    unsalted that the recipe calls for. I find that whatever level of salt
    is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without being
    overwhelming.

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).

    this was way beyond the level of salt anyone would
    expect.

    I bet it wouldn't have been too much salt for me.

    I salt the shit out of everything I eat. Triscuits, for
    example.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jul 4 03:17:21 2025
    On 2025-07-03, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    Back in the day, I just used to beat a little honey into some
    cream cheese. Somewhere along the way I lost my taste for
    honey, so I use confectioner's sugar just like everybody else.


    My wife doesn't like honey either. I've never eaten enough to get sick
    of it.
    She took it upon herself to cube up a seedless watermelon the other day.
    I hadn't had any in years. I had some, it was delicious, and wondered
    how watermelon would taste with a little heavy cream on it.
    So, I fed her some. She said it was odd but not bad. I still haven't
    tried any. Maybe tonight.
    Watermelon with cream will be all the rage next year, if I give the
    thumbs up. ;)

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jul 3 23:24:32 2025
    On 2025-07-03 11:17 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    Back in the day, I just used to beat a little honey into some
    cream cheese. Somewhere along the way I lost my taste for
    honey, so I use confectioner's sugar just like everybody else.


    My wife doesn't like honey either. I've never eaten enough to get sick
    of it.

    I have liked honey for as long as I can remember. I still use it
    regularly. Last year my son and DiL came for Christmas brunch. I had mad
    crepes with yogurt and fruit salad and was about to drizzle honey on
    them when my son said not to put any one DiLs because she hates honey.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jul 3 23:30:08 2025
    On 2025-07-03 11:22 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).


    If a recipe calls for unsalted butter and salt, what's the point?
    It's a scam by the "unsalted butter" folks.



    I think the problem is the lack of standards for the amount of salt in
    butter. Personally, I don't worry about it. However, I do prefer
    unsalted butter for bread and rolls.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Jul 3 23:56:15 2025
    On 7/3/2025 11:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 11:17 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    Back in the day, I just used to beat a little honey into some
    cream cheese.  Somewhere along the way I lost my taste for
    honey, so I use confectioner's sugar just like everybody else.


    My wife doesn't like honey either. I've never eaten enough to get sick
    of it.

    I have liked honey for as long as I can remember. I still use it
    regularly. Last year my son and DiL came for Christmas brunch. I had mad crepes with yogurt and fruit salad and was about to drizzle honey on
    them when my son said not to put any one DiLs because she hates honey.

    I can live without honey. I still have an unopened jar of it my parents
    bought sometime back in 2005.

    Jill

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Thu Jul 3 23:57:49 2025
    On 7/3/2025 5:36 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:
    ...
    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the
    unsalted that the recipe calls for. I find that whatever level of salt
    is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without being >>> overwhelming.

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).

    this was way beyond the level of salt anyone would
    expect.

    I bet it wouldn't have been too much salt for me.

    I'm a salt lover myself but even I notice when something has been over
    salted. Especially when it's something that is supposed to be sweet,
    such as frosting or icing.

    I salt the shit out of everything I eat. Triscuits, for
    example.

    You add salt to Triscuits? Wow.

    Jill

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Jul 4 03:22:58 2025
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).


    If a recipe calls for unsalted butter and salt, what's the point?
    It's a scam by the "unsalted butter" folks.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jul 4 03:28:31 2025
    On 2025-07-03, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    I salt the shit out of everything I eat. Triscuits, for
    example.


    I'm close, but I don't like to salt bananas, strawberries, blueberries
    and oranges. Now, a banana coin on a garlic Triscuit might be worth a
    shot.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Jul 4 09:09:23 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    I salt the shit out of everything I eat. Triscuits, for
    example.


    I'm close, but I don't like to salt bananas, strawberries, blueberries
    and oranges. Now, a banana coin on a garlic Triscuit might be worth a
    shot.

    Ok, I'm guilty of some hyperbole. I've given up salting fruit.
    I used to salt apples, watermelon, and cantaloupe.

    The raisins in my oatmeal end up salted. I put a dash of salt
    in my cranberry-orange relish.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Jul 4 09:10:30 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 5:36 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:
    ...
    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the
    unsalted that the recipe calls for. I find that whatever level of salt >>>> is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without being >>>> overwhelming.

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).

    this was way beyond the level of salt anyone would
    expect.

    I bet it wouldn't have been too much salt for me.

    I'm a salt lover myself but even I notice when something has been over salted. Especially when it's something that is supposed to be sweet,
    such as frosting or icing.

    Mmm. Salted caramel.

    I salt the shit out of everything I eat. Triscuits, for
    example.

    You add salt to Triscuits? Wow.

    I also salt the fries during my decennial meal at McDonald's.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Fri Jul 4 09:12:18 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).


    If a recipe calls for unsalted butter and salt, what's the point?
    It's a scam by the "unsalted butter" folks.

    So that you can precisely control the amount of salt that goes
    into a dish. Bakers, in particular, are all about control.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Jul 4 09:13:19 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 11:22 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).


    If a recipe calls for unsalted butter and salt, what's the point?
    It's a scam by the "unsalted butter" folks.



    I think the problem is the lack of standards for the amount of salt in butter. Personally, I don't worry about it. However, I do prefer
    unsalted butter for bread and rolls.

    Tastes vary. I use salted butter and then usually sprinkle on
    additional salt. The butter has enough salt for itself, but
    not for the bread as well.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Jul 4 13:03:21 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 5:10 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 5:36 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:
    ...
    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the >>>>>> unsalted that the recipe calls for. I find that whatever level of salt >>>>>> is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without being >>>>>> overwhelming.

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).

    this was way beyond the level of salt anyone would
    expect.

    I bet it wouldn't have been too much salt for me.

    I'm a salt lover myself but even I notice when something has been over
    salted. Especially when it's something that is supposed to be sweet,
    such as frosting or icing.

    Mmm. Salted caramel.

    Okay, I forgot about salted caramel (ice cream, in particular). I have
    some of that in the freezer. :)

    I salt the shit out of everything I eat. Triscuits, for
    example.

    You add salt to Triscuits? Wow.

    I also salt the fries during my decennial meal at McDonald's.

    Fries are supposed to be salty. Triscuits already have salt on them.

    The fries at McDonalds are already salted, too.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jul 4 08:29:11 2025
    On 7/4/2025 5:10 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 5:36 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:
    ...
    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the
    unsalted that the recipe calls for. I find that whatever level of salt >>>>> is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without being >>>>> overwhelming.

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).

    this was way beyond the level of salt anyone would
    expect.

    I bet it wouldn't have been too much salt for me.

    I'm a salt lover myself but even I notice when something has been over
    salted. Especially when it's something that is supposed to be sweet,
    such as frosting or icing.

    Mmm. Salted caramel.

    Okay, I forgot about salted caramel (ice cream, in particular). I have
    some of that in the freezer. :)

    I salt the shit out of everything I eat. Triscuits, for
    example.

    You add salt to Triscuits? Wow.

    I also salt the fries during my decennial meal at McDonald's.

    Fries are supposed to be salty. Triscuits already have salt on them.

    Jill

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Jul 4 07:42:44 2025
    On 2025-07-04 6:29 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 5:10 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 5:36 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:
    ...
    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the >>>>>> unsalted that the recipe calls for.  I find that whatever level of >>>>>> salt
    is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without >>>>>> being
    overwhelming.

        we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes.  i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).

        this was way beyond the level of salt anyone would
    expect.

    I bet it wouldn't have been too much salt for me.

    I'm a salt lover myself but even I notice when something has been over
    salted.  Especially when it's something that is supposed to be sweet,
    such as frosting or icing.

    Mmm.  Salted caramel.

    Okay, I forgot about salted caramel (ice cream, in particular).  I have
    some of that in the freezer. :)

    I salt the shit out of everything I eat.  Triscuits, for
    example.

    You add salt to Triscuits?  Wow.

    I also salt the fries during my decennial meal at McDonald's.

    Fries are supposed to be salty.

    and even better with malt vinegar:-)

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jul 4 07:43:31 2025
    On 2025-07-04 3:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 11:22 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).


    If a recipe calls for unsalted butter and salt, what's the point?
    It's a scam by the "unsalted butter" folks.



    I think the problem is the lack of standards for the amount of salt in
    butter. Personally, I don't worry about it. However, I do prefer
    unsalted butter for bread and rolls.

    Tastes vary. I use salted butter and then usually sprinkle on
    additional salt. The butter has enough salt for itself, but
    not for the bread as well.

    Bread is a major source of salt in the diet.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jul 4 10:58:08 2025
    On 7/4/2025 9:03 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 5:10 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 5:36 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:
    ...
    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the >>>>>>> unsalted that the recipe calls for. I find that whatever level of salt >>>>>>> is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without being
    overwhelming.

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).

    this was way beyond the level of salt anyone would
    expect.

    I bet it wouldn't have been too much salt for me.

    I'm a salt lover myself but even I notice when something has been over >>>> salted. Especially when it's something that is supposed to be sweet,
    such as frosting or icing.

    Mmm. Salted caramel.

    Okay, I forgot about salted caramel (ice cream, in particular). I have
    some of that in the freezer. :)

    I salt the shit out of everything I eat. Triscuits, for
    example.

    You add salt to Triscuits? Wow.

    I also salt the fries during my decennial meal at McDonald's.

    Fries are supposed to be salty. Triscuits already have salt on them.

    The fries at McDonalds are already salted, too.

    Okay, so you add salt to the already salted fries! I get it, you love
    salt. I do too. I used to pour salt into my hand and eat it when I was
    a child. I kept a salt shaker next to my bed. My mother was worried
    about it; the doctor told her my body was craving salt, not a problem.
    It's no big deal. But I can taste when some things are overly salty.
    And too much salt can certainly ruin some things.

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Jul 4 11:03:03 2025
    On 7/4/2025 10:58 AM, Jill McQuown wrote:


    The fries at McDonalds are already salted, too.

    Okay, so you add salt to the already salted fries!  I get it, you love salt.  I do too.  I used to pour salt into my hand and eat it when I was
    a child.  I kept a salt shaker next to my bed.  My mother was worried
    about it; the doctor told her my body was craving salt, not a problem.
    It's no big deal.  But I can taste when some things are overly salty.
    And too much salt can certainly ruin some things.

    Jill

    My son heavily salts everything. Blood test though, show him low on
    sodium. Everyone is different

    I don;t use a lot, but I do need a bit more than I did 5 years ago.
    Ageing taste buds.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Jul 4 15:28:36 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 9:03 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 5:10 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 5:36 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:
    ...
    When I make buttercream icing, I use salted butter in place of the >>>>>>>> unsalted that the recipe calls for. I find that whatever level of salt
    is in the butter cuts the sweetness of the powdered sugar, without being
    overwhelming.

    we never use unsalted butter and i've never noticed it
    being too much salt for any of our recipes. i don't put
    salt in anything else other than a few things that we
    use garlic salt on (burgers and garlic toast).

    this was way beyond the level of salt anyone would
    expect.

    I bet it wouldn't have been too much salt for me.

    I'm a salt lover myself but even I notice when something has been over >>>>> salted. Especially when it's something that is supposed to be sweet, >>>>> such as frosting or icing.

    Mmm. Salted caramel.

    Okay, I forgot about salted caramel (ice cream, in particular). I have
    some of that in the freezer. :)

    I salt the shit out of everything I eat. Triscuits, for
    example.

    You add salt to Triscuits? Wow.

    I also salt the fries during my decennial meal at McDonald's.

    Fries are supposed to be salty. Triscuits already have salt on them.

    The fries at McDonalds are already salted, too.

    Okay, so you add salt to the already salted fries! I get it, you love
    salt. I do too. I used to pour salt into my hand and eat it when I was
    a child. I kept a salt shaker next to my bed. My mother was worried
    about it; the doctor told her my body was craving salt, not a problem.
    It's no big deal. But I can taste when some things are overly salty.
    And too much salt can certainly ruin some things.

    I don't disagree, but it takes a metric buttload of salt to be
    too much for me.

    A couple of months ago I had lunch at a Chinese restaurant where
    the soup and the entree were too salty. I ate the stuff, but
    it wasn't enjoyable.

    I can't imagine what normal people think of the food there.

    But the eggroll was good.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Jul 4 09:22:48 2025
    On 2025-07-04 9:03 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 10:58 AM, Jill McQuown wrote:


    The fries at McDonalds are already salted, too.

    Okay, so you add salt to the already salted fries!  I get it, you love
    salt.  I do too.  I used to pour salt into my hand and eat it when I
    was a child.  I kept a salt shaker next to my bed.  My mother was
    worried about it; the doctor told her my body was craving salt, not a
    problem. It's no big deal.  But I can taste when some things are
    overly salty. And too much salt can certainly ruin some things.

    Jill

    My son heavily salts everything.  Blood test though, show him low on sodium.  Everyone is different

    I don;t use a lot, but I do need a bit more than I did 5 years ago.
    Ageing taste buds.

    Because you are sweating more in Florida?

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Fri Jul 4 12:11:18 2025
    On 2025-07-04 11:22 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 9:03 a.m., Ed P wrote:

    My son heavily salts everything.  Blood test though, show him low on
    sodium.  Everyone is different

    I don;t use a lot, but I do need a bit more than I did 5 years ago.
    Ageing taste buds.

    Because you are sweating more in Florida?

    At least you know you're sweating in Florida. It rarely gets in to the
    90s here in Niagara but when it does it is worsened by the humidity. It
    really doesn't take much to work up a sweat. When I was in California a
    few years back it was a lot hotter there than it ever gets here. It was
    so hot and dry that the sweat disappeared as fast as I produced it.

    One year I was visiting a friend in near Vernon BC and there was a heat
    wave. It was in the low 90s but it was dry heat. I think we were in
    Salmon Arm and walking down the street and some guy driving by told us
    we should get out of the because it was so hot. Being from an area with
    high humidity it was a piece of cake dealing with the dry heat.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Jul 5 04:05:33 2025
    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 07:42:44 -0600, Graham <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04 6:29 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 5:10 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Mmm.  Salted caramel.

    Okay, I forgot about salted caramel (ice cream, in particular).  I have
    some of that in the freezer. :)

    I also salt the fries during my decennial meal at McDonald's.

    Fries are supposed to be salty.

    and even better with malt vinegar:-)

    That's very English. Fries need mayo!

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Jul 4 14:07:51 2025
    On 7/4/2025 12:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 11:22 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 9:03 a.m., Ed P wrote:

    My son heavily salts everything.  Blood test though, show him low on
    sodium.  Everyone is different

    I don;t use a lot, but I do need a bit more than I did 5 years ago.
    Ageing taste buds.

    Because you are sweating more in Florida?

    At least you know you're sweating in Florida. It rarely gets in to the
    90s here in Niagara but when it does it is worsened by the humidity. It really doesn't take much to work up a sweat.  When I was in California a
    few years back it was a lot hotter there than it ever gets here. It was
    so hot and dry that the sweat disappeared as fast as I produced it.

    Yes, it it intensive getting out of may air conditioned car to the
    mailbox across the sidewalk. Then I have to walk from the car in the
    garage to the air conditioned house.

    Outdoor project are from December to March. I don't do anything to
    work up a sweat during the hot season.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Jul 4 16:05:11 2025
    Ed P wrote:
    ...
    Outdoor project are from December to March. I don't do anything to
    work up a sweat during the hot season.

    i get out as early in the morning as i possibly can
    which lets me work 3-4hrs before i get too hot. today
    the humidity was cruddy and even with a breeze it was
    still too hot, but at least i got a few things done
    that i'd planned on doing. i always feel so much
    better after getting some gardening in.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Jul 4 16:08:22 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote:
    ...
    I can live without honey. I still have an unopened jar of it my parents bought sometime back in 2005.

    i like it on a few things like fresh baked biscuits and
    butter with honey and in hot ginger and honey tea, but
    most the time it is used here just a bit at a time in
    ranch dressing (so little you don't notice it really
    being there but if it isn't i do notice the difference).


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Jul 4 16:02:19 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote:
    ...
    Okay, so you add salt to the already salted fries! I get it, you love
    salt. I do too. I used to pour salt into my hand and eat it when I was
    a child. I kept a salt shaker next to my bed. My mother was worried
    about it; the doctor told her my body was craving salt, not a problem.
    It's no big deal. But I can taste when some things are overly salty.
    And too much salt can certainly ruin some things.

    i've never done that for salt but brown sugar and
    butter are very tempting to me. i'm just now considering
    making an impromptu maple bun (butter, brown sugar, maple
    flavoring and some peanuts) - just enough to satisfy my
    sweet tooth for the day. i had a few peanut butter and
    chocolate chip cookies a bit ago with some milk but that
    just hasn't seemed to have done it.

    i don't put any chocolate on this stuff but i do have
    some chocolate syrup i could use if i wanted or chocolate
    chips or chunks of several types. sometimes though i have
    had enough chocolate but still want a bit more sweets. to
    make it last a bit longer i may add some regular (rolled
    oats) which means i have to chew it all longer and that
    makes it very satisfying.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jul 4 15:57:27 2025
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    I bet it wouldn't have been too much salt for me.

    i'd say there was a cup of salt per pound or two
    of butter and cream cheese. i could not taste
    anything but the salt.


    I salt the shit out of everything I eat. Triscuits, for
    example.

    yeah, well, to each their own. :)

    happy 4th to yas!


    songbird

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Jul 4 22:14:32 2025
    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 16:11:18 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-07-04 11:22 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 9:03 a.m., Ed P wrote:

    My son heavily salts everything.  Blood test though, show him low on
    sodium.  Everyone is different

    I don;t use a lot, but I do need a bit more than I did 5 years ago.
    Ageing taste buds.

    Because you are sweating more in Florida?

    At least you know you're sweating in Florida. It rarely gets in to the
    90s here in Niagara but when it does it is worsened by the humidity. It really doesn't take much to work up a sweat. When I was in California a
    few years back it was a lot hotter there than it ever gets here. It was
    so hot and dry that the sweat disappeared as fast as I produced it.

    One year I was visiting a friend in near Vernon BC and there was a heat
    wave. It was in the low 90s but it was dry heat. I think we were in
    Salmon Arm and walking down the street and some guy driving by told us
    we should get out of the because it was so hot. Being from an area with
    high humidity it was a piece of cake dealing with the dry heat.

    If you're in an area of high relative humidity, the opposite of
    evaporation on your body happens. Instead of sweat changing from a
    liquid to a gas and absorbing heat, water vapor changes into a liquid
    when it condenses on your skin and releases latent heat. It's just one
    of the weird things that happens when materials change from a solid to a
    liquid to a gas: heat gets released or absorbed.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Fri Jul 4 22:43:01 2025
    On 7/3/2025 11:56 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 11:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 11:17 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    Back in the day, I just used to beat a little honey into some
    cream cheese.  Somewhere along the way I lost my taste for
    honey, so I use confectioner's sugar just like everybody else.


    My wife doesn't like honey either. I've never eaten enough to get sick
    of it.

    I have liked honey for as long as I can remember. I still use it
    regularly. Last year my son and DiL came for Christmas brunch. I had
    mad crepes with yogurt and fruit salad and was about to drizzle honey
    on them when my son said not to put any one DiLs because she hates honey.

    I can live without honey.  I still have an unopened jar of it my parents bought sometime back in 2005.

    I usually feel the same way, but I bought a jar of "whipped honey" from
    a local farm to try. I rarely use it, but it's a whole world better
    than the junk that comes in the little bear shaped jar.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jul 4 22:51:42 2025
    On 7/4/2025 11:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:

    Okay, so you add salt to the already salted fries! I get it, you love
    salt. I do too. I used to pour salt into my hand and eat it when I was
    a child. I kept a salt shaker next to my bed. My mother was worried
    about it; the doctor told her my body was craving salt, not a problem.
    It's no big deal. But I can taste when some things are overly salty.
    And too much salt can certainly ruin some things.

    I don't disagree, but it takes a metric buttload of salt to be
    too much for me.

    Out of curiosity, are you low on sodium?

    My daughter tested low, and she's always begging for salt. I can't eat
    her food after she salts it, it's just disgusting.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Fri Jul 4 23:50:37 2025
    On 2025-07-04 10:43 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 11:56 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:

    I can live without honey.  I still have an unopened jar of it my
    parents bought sometime back in 2005.

    I usually feel the same way, but I bought a jar of "whipped honey" from
    a local farm to try.  I rarely use it, but it's a whole world better
    than the junk that comes in the little bear shaped jar.

    When I was a kid we usually got homogenized honey. When you opened a can
    of that stuff there was a thin layer of wax that had settled on top.
    That was the best part of the can.


    Comb honey has always been a special treat for me. It is expensive
    because it is labour intensive and involves using queen excluders. For
    those who are unfamiliar with comb honey it comes in squares, sometimes
    in wooden frames and sometimes in plastic tubs. It consists of a block
    of beehive cells with the wax walls and tops and each full of honey. I
    love the texture of the wax along with the honey on my toast.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sat Jul 5 08:41:24 2025
    On 2025-07-05, Michael Trew <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 11:56 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 11:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 11:17 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    Back in the day, I just used to beat a little honey into some
    cream cheese.  Somewhere along the way I lost my taste for
    honey, so I use confectioner's sugar just like everybody else.


    My wife doesn't like honey either. I've never eaten enough to get sick >>>> of it.

    I have liked honey for as long as I can remember. I still use it
    regularly. Last year my son and DiL came for Christmas brunch. I had
    mad crepes with yogurt and fruit salad and was about to drizzle honey
    on them when my son said not to put any one DiLs because she hates honey. >>>
    I can live without honey.  I still have an unopened jar of it my parents
    bought sometime back in 2005.

    I usually feel the same way, but I bought a jar of "whipped honey" from
    a local farm to try. I rarely use it, but it's a whole world better
    than the junk that comes in the little bear shaped jar.

    The contents of the little bear-shaped jar might come from abroad
    and be adulterated with some other, cheaper sweetener.

    https://www.fda.gov/food/hfp-constituent-updates/fda-releases-report-economically-motivated-adulteration-honey

    Definitely a product that's worth buying locally.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sat Jul 5 08:42:39 2025
    On 2025-07-05, Michael Trew <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/4/2025 11:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:

    Okay, so you add salt to the already salted fries! I get it, you love
    salt. I do too. I used to pour salt into my hand and eat it when I was >>> a child. I kept a salt shaker next to my bed. My mother was worried
    about it; the doctor told her my body was craving salt, not a problem.
    It's no big deal. But I can taste when some things are overly salty.
    And too much salt can certainly ruin some things.

    I don't disagree, but it takes a metric buttload of salt to be
    too much for me.

    Out of curiosity, are you low on sodium?

    Nope. Right at the top of the acceptable range.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jul 5 14:12:24 2025
    Dave Smith wrote:

    Comb honey has always been a special treat for me. It is expensive
    because it is labour intensive and involves using queen excluders. For
    those who are unfamiliar with comb honey it comes in squares, sometimes
    in wooden frames and sometimes in plastic tubs. It consists of a block
    of beehive cells with the wax walls and tops and each full of honey. I
    love the texture of the wax along with the honey on my toast.

    Ooooh! That's the best. Buy it whenever you see it, because it's not
    usually for sale. Haven't had any in years. Guess I need to get
    googling and find a local bee keeper.

    --
    Land of sky-blue waters, loofas, ya sure ya betcha', snookums,
    mosquitoes, home of the loon.

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jul 5 14:12:25 2025
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Definitely a product that's worth buying locally.

    What she said.

    --
    Politicians need to be changed often - like diapers . . .
    and for the same reason.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Sat Jul 5 10:41:58 2025
    On 2025-07-05 10:12 a.m., heyjoe wrote:
    Dave Smith wrote:

    Comb honey has always been a special treat for me. It is expensive
    because it is labour intensive and involves using queen excluders. For
    those who are unfamiliar with comb honey it comes in squares, sometimes
    in wooden frames and sometimes in plastic tubs. It consists of a block
    of beehive cells with the wax walls and tops and each full of honey. I
    love the texture of the wax along with the honey on my toast.

    Ooooh! That's the best. Buy it whenever you see it, because it's not usually for sale. Haven't had any in years. Guess I need to get
    googling and find a local bee keeper.



    We once bought a chunk of it as a hostess gift for some friends when we
    went to their cottage. I thought it would be a special treat. They were
    real foodies and expected they would be thrilled. Their negative
    reaction surprised me. Apparently neither they nor their daughters liked
    honey. I think they were the first people I ever met who had a strong
    dislike for honey. Oh well, it's expensive enough to buy comb honey
    so it might help to keep the price down.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sat Jul 5 10:45:15 2025
    On 2025-07-05 4:41 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-05, Michael Trew <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 11:56 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 11:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 11:17 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    Back in the day, I just used to beat a little honey into some
    cream cheese.  Somewhere along the way I lost my taste for
    honey, so I use confectioner's sugar just like everybody else.


    My wife doesn't like honey either. I've never eaten enough to get sick >>>>> of it.

    I have liked honey for as long as I can remember. I still use it
    regularly. Last year my son and DiL came for Christmas brunch. I had
    mad crepes with yogurt and fruit salad and was about to drizzle honey
    on them when my son said not to put any one DiLs because she hates honey. >>>>
    I can live without honey.  I still have an unopened jar of it my parents >>> bought sometime back in 2005.

    I usually feel the same way, but I bought a jar of "whipped honey" from
    a local farm to try. I rarely use it, but it's a whole world better
    than the junk that comes in the little bear shaped jar.

    The contents of the little bear-shaped jar might come from abroad
    and be adulterated with some other, cheaper sweetener.

    https://www.fda.gov/food/hfp-constituent-updates/fda-releases-report-economically-motivated-adulteration-honey

    Definitely a product that's worth buying locally.


    I have heard that eating honey is supposed to help allergies and that if
    you eat local honey it will be a big help in reducing reactions to local flowers. I eat honey and do not suffer when the local flowers are
    blooming. My almost never eats honey and she suffers from hayfever.
    That's proof enough for me.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jul 5 15:12:29 2025
    On 2025-07-05, Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-07-05 4:41 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-07-05, Michael Trew <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 11:56 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 7/3/2025 11:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-07-03 11:17 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-07-03, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    Back in the day, I just used to beat a little honey into some
    cream cheese.  Somewhere along the way I lost my taste for
    honey, so I use confectioner's sugar just like everybody else.


    My wife doesn't like honey either. I've never eaten enough to get sick >>>>>> of it.

    I have liked honey for as long as I can remember. I still use it
    regularly. Last year my son and DiL came for Christmas brunch. I had >>>>> mad crepes with yogurt and fruit salad and was about to drizzle honey >>>>> on them when my son said not to put any one DiLs because she hates honey. >>>>>
    I can live without honey.  I still have an unopened jar of it my parents >>>> bought sometime back in 2005.

    I usually feel the same way, but I bought a jar of "whipped honey" from
    a local farm to try. I rarely use it, but it's a whole world better
    than the junk that comes in the little bear shaped jar.

    The contents of the little bear-shaped jar might come from abroad
    and be adulterated with some other, cheaper sweetener.

    https://www.fda.gov/food/hfp-constituent-updates/fda-releases-report-economically-motivated-adulteration-honey

    Definitely a product that's worth buying locally.


    I have heard that eating honey is supposed to help allergies and that if
    you eat local honey it will be a big help in reducing reactions to local flowers. I eat honey and do not suffer when the local flowers are
    blooming. My almost never eats honey and she suffers from hayfever.
    That's proof enough for me.

    That's an anecdote at best, not proof. As I see it:

    There are people who would never suffer from allergies.
    There are people who would always suffer from allergies.
    There are people who are somewhere in the middle and might benefit
    from eating local honey.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jul 5 15:34:56 2025
    On Sat, 5 Jul 2025 14:45:15 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    I have heard that eating honey is supposed to help allergies and that if
    you eat local honey it will be a big help in reducing reactions to local flowers. I eat honey and do not suffer when the local flowers are
    blooming. My almost never eats honey and she suffers from hayfever.
    That's proof enough for me.

    That's an interesting theory. Just don't give honey to babies under the
    age of 1. It could make them sick. Babies do build up immunity to the
    local microorganisms by their nasty habit of sticking their filthy paws
    in their mouth all the time. That nasty habit is actually a survival
    strategy.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Jul 6 05:29:11 2025
    On 2025-07-04, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:

    If a recipe calls for unsalted butter and salt, what's the point?
    It's a scam by the "unsalted butter" folks.

    So that you can precisely control the amount of salt that goes
    into a dish. Bakers, in particular, are all about control.


    I'm sure I've mentioned this before. I was a genuine chemist for seven
    years after college. Then, I got a better job.
    In baking, one cup, plus or minus a tablespoon, is meaningless. One
    tablespoon, plus or minus a teaspoon might not be, but probably is.
    Once upon a time, I did a lot of weights and measures. Now, mostly, I
    measure by eye and what fits in my palm, just like Mom did.
    I do have measuring cups and spoons and a close-enough attitude.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Jul 6 09:46:21 2025
    On 2025-07-06, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-07-04, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:

    If a recipe calls for unsalted butter and salt, what's the point?
    It's a scam by the "unsalted butter" folks.

    So that you can precisely control the amount of salt that goes
    into a dish. Bakers, in particular, are all about control.


    I'm sure I've mentioned this before. I was a genuine chemist for seven
    years after college. Then, I got a better job.
    In baking, one cup, plus or minus a tablespoon, is meaningless. One tablespoon, plus or minus a teaspoon might not be, but probably is.
    Once upon a time, I did a lot of weights and measures. Now, mostly, I
    measure by eye and what fits in my palm, just like Mom did.
    I do have measuring cups and spoons and a close-enough attitude.

    I guess you've never made macarons, then.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Sun Jul 6 06:25:54 2025
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    I guess you've never made macarons, then.

    or many other fine desserts... some
    chocolate and other candy making is also
    finicky enough that the casual chef will
    have a lot of failures.


    songbird

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Sun Jul 6 16:00:01 2025
    On 2025-07-06, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:

    I'm sure I've mentioned this before.
    I was a genuine chemist for seven
    years after college.

    That does explain a lot. See below.

    Now, mostly, I measure by eye and what fits in my palm,
    just like Mom did. I do have measuring cups and spoons
    and a close-enough attitude.

    More important, you know when the measure is really
    'to taste' vs. to match other ingredient(s) which it
    must react and leave no residue of any.

    Salt is virtually inert at normal cooking temperatures.

    But this does lead me into a serious(?) question
    which you are probably the best to answer:

    Is there any organic reaction possible which could
    be orchestrated via judicious placement of electrodes?

    And I'm not just talking about Panko(R) which has been
    cooked by electrically-heated wires. I'm speaking of
    using an electrolyte (probably table salt for safety)
    with gold or platinum electrodes (again, for safety)
    to slow-cook something tasty; bacon for example.

    If you perform the realization of this endeavour
    (engineering, product tests, advertising &c),
    I will accept 50% of the profits as the imaginator.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Wed Jul 9 02:47:07 2025
    On 2025-07-06, Mike Duffy <[email protected]> wrote:

    But this does lead me into a serious(?) question
    which you are probably the best to answer:

    I'm not. I've been out of the field for fifty years.

    Is there any organic reaction possible which could
    be orchestrated via judicious placement of electrodes?

    Possibly. This should have already been explored by "food chemists".
    A doctoral thesis, funded by a NGO, might solve the mystery.

    And I'm not just talking about Panko(R) which has been
    cooked by electrically-heated wires. I'm speaking of
    using an electrolyte (probably table salt for safety)
    with gold or platinum electrodes (again, for safety)
    to slow-cook something tasty; bacon for example.

    Why has this not already been explored? Two electrodes in an Insta-Pot!

    If you perform the realization of this endeavour
    (engineering, product tests, advertising &c),
    I will accept 50% of the profits as the imaginator.

    Alas, I'm too old to perform the experiments and prove, once and for
    all, that electrolytic food is the future of cooking.
    Have you tried contacting Kevin O'Leary? He's one of you guys and always
    exudes common sense.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Thu Jul 10 06:18:51 2025
    On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 5:29:11 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:

    If a recipe calls for unsalted butter and salt, what's the point?
    It's a scam by the "unsalted butter" folks.

    So that you can precisely control the amount of salt that goes
    into a dish. Bakers, in particular, are all about control.


    I'm sure I've mentioned this before. I was a genuine chemist for seven
    years after college. Then, I got a better job.
    In baking, one cup, plus or minus a tablespoon, is meaningless. One tablespoon, plus or minus a teaspoon might not be, but probably is.
    Once upon a time, I did a lot of weights and measures. Now, mostly, I
    measure by eye and what fits in my palm, just like Mom did.
    I do have measuring cups and spoons and a close-enough attitude.

    The experienced cook needs no measurements. The modern cook doesn't
    either - they just believe that they do. OTOH, I have an institutional
    bag of creme brulee mix that requires 1 part mix to 10 parts heavy cream
    by weight. I measured out .450 kg cream and .044 kg mix. Next time I use
    grams.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jul 10 16:27:50 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 06:18:51 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 5:29:11 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:

    If a recipe calls for unsalted butter and salt, what's the point?
    It's a scam by the "unsalted butter" folks.

    So that you can precisely control the amount of salt that goes
    into a dish. Bakers, in particular, are all about control.


    I'm sure I've mentioned this before. I was a genuine chemist for seven
    years after college. Then, I got a better job.
    In baking, one cup, plus or minus a tablespoon, is meaningless. One
    tablespoon, plus or minus a teaspoon might not be, but probably is.
    Once upon a time, I did a lot of weights and measures. Now, mostly, I
    measure by eye and what fits in my palm, just like Mom did.
    I do have measuring cups and spoons and a close-enough attitude.

    The experienced cook needs no measurements. The modern cook doesn't
    either - they just believe that they do. OTOH, I have an institutional
    bag of creme brulee mix that requires 1 part mix to 10 parts heavy cream
    by weight. I measured out .450 kg cream and .044 kg mix. Next time I use >grams.

    Hey, it's back (you too, but you're not an 'it').

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.ibb.co/7tt6yDtP/1751431946383-1.jpg>

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Thu Jul 10 06:30:12 2025
    On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 16:00:01 +0000, Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2025-07-06, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-07-04, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:

    I'm sure I've mentioned this before.
    I was a genuine chemist for seven
    years after college.

    That does explain a lot. See below.

    Now, mostly, I measure by eye and what fits in my palm,
    just like Mom did. I do have measuring cups and spoons
    and a close-enough attitude.

    More important, you know when the measure is really
    'to taste' vs. to match other ingredient(s) which it
    must react and leave no residue of any.

    Salt is virtually inert at normal cooking temperatures.

    But this does lead me into a serious(?) question
    which you are probably the best to answer:

    Is there any organic reaction possible which could
    be orchestrated via judicious placement of electrodes?

    And I'm not just talking about Panko(R) which has been
    cooked by electrically-heated wires. I'm speaking of
    using an electrolyte (probably table salt for safety)
    with gold or platinum electrodes (again, for safety)
    to slow-cook something tasty; bacon for example.

    If you perform the realization of this endeavour
    (engineering, product tests, advertising &c),
    I will accept 50% of the profits as the imaginator.

    As far as I know. Panko is cooked by running an electric current through
    bread dough. The process was invented by the Japanese during WWII to
    produce bread in a hurry without ovens.

    Cooking hot dogs by electrocuting them has been around since the 30s. I
    used to have a Presto Hot Dogger back in the day. It's not a good way to
    cook a hot dog.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CwY50lNorCY

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 10 09:35:25 2025
    On 2025-07-10 2:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 5:29:11 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    So that you can precisely control the amount of salt that goes
    into a dish.  Bakers, in particular, are all about control.


    I'm sure I've mentioned this before. I was a genuine chemist for seven
    years after college. Then, I got a better job.
    In baking, one cup, plus or minus a tablespoon, is meaningless. One
    tablespoon, plus or minus a teaspoon might not be, but probably is.
    Once upon a time, I did a lot of weights and measures. Now, mostly, I
    measure by eye and what fits in my palm, just like Mom did.
    I do have measuring cups and spoons and a close-enough attitude.

    The experienced cook needs no measurements. The modern cook doesn't
    either - they just believe that they do. OTOH, I have an institutional
    bag of creme brulee mix that requires 1 part mix to 10 parts heavy cream
    by weight. I measured out .450 kg cream and .044 kg mix. Next time I use grams.

    I am guessing you don't do a lot of baking. Some people may have a keen
    enough eye to gauge some of their measurements, but most need measuring
    spoons and cups. While some recipes can be tolerant of changes, others
    need to accurate measurements.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Jul 10 18:01:02 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 13:35:25 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-07-10 2:18 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 5:29:11 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:


    So that you can precisely control the amount of salt that goes
    into a dish.  Bakers, in particular, are all about control.


    I'm sure I've mentioned this before. I was a genuine chemist for seven
    years after college. Then, I got a better job.
    In baking, one cup, plus or minus a tablespoon, is meaningless. One
    tablespoon, plus or minus a teaspoon might not be, but probably is.
    Once upon a time, I did a lot of weights and measures. Now, mostly, I
    measure by eye and what fits in my palm, just like Mom did.
    I do have measuring cups and spoons and a close-enough attitude.

    The experienced cook needs no measurements. The modern cook doesn't
    either - they just believe that they do. OTOH, I have an institutional
    bag of creme brulee mix that requires 1 part mix to 10 parts heavy cream
    by weight. I measured out .450 kg cream and .044 kg mix. Next time I use
    grams.

    I am guessing you don't do a lot of baking. Some people may have a keen enough eye to gauge some of their measurements, but most need measuring spoons and cups. While some recipes can be tolerant of changes, others
    need to accurate measurements.

    I bake just fine. I don't bake stuff that requires careful measurements
    so no problem at all. My daughter bakes stuff that requires measurement
    and technique.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/dEgZNvDLuF5Ae3PU7

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