From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

"The available evidence suggests that appliance lifespans have decreased
only modestly over the past few decades... In short, appliance
durability hasn’t collapsed—it’s evolved to meet consumer demand. We’re not being ripped off. We are getting better products at better prices.
Rising incomes have simply redefined what “better” means...

The big story isn’t declining durability but declining price:

In 1972, Sears sold a clothes washer for $220 and a dryer for $90, per
2022 research by AARP Magazine. That’s about $2,389 in 2025, adjusted
for inflation. Today you can get a washer-and-dryer pair on sale from
Sears for around $1,200..."

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2025/06/have-appliances-declined-in-durability.html

by Alex Tabarrok June 23, 2025 at 7:17 am in Economics Food and Drink

"Many Americans believe that their appliances have become less durable
and reliable over recent decades. Rachel Wharton at Wirecutter has an
excellent piece pushing back. Her conclusions mirror what I found when
looking at clothing quality: yes, there has been a modest decline in durability, but the main drivers are customer preferences, regulatory
shifts, and Baumol effects—not corporate malfeasance or cultural
decline.

“Everybody talks about the Maytag washing machine that lasts 50 years,” said Daniel Conrad, a former product engineer at Whirlpool Corporation
who is now the director of design quality, reliability, and testing for
a commercial-refrigeration company. “No one talks about the other 4.5
million that didn’t last that long.”

The available evidence suggests that appliance lifespans have decreased
only modestly over the past few decades. Recent research from the
Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers trade group shows that in
2010 most appliances lasted from 11 to 16 years. By 2019, those numbers
had dropped, to a range of nine to 14 years. (In some cases, such as for
gas ranges and dryers, the lifespans actually increased.)

The modest decline is partially explained by regulation:

Every appliance service technician I spoke to — each with decades of experience repairing machines from multiple brands — immediately blamed federal regulations for water and energy efficiency for most
frustrations with modern appliances.

…The main culprit is the set of efficiency standards for water and
energy use for all cooking, refrigeration, and cleaning appliances.

The regulations change often and push producers to make changes that
consumers don’t necessarily want like switching to lighter plastic parts rather than metal or by adding sophisticated computer controls that
increase efficiency but also introduce new break points. See my previous
posts on these issues here and here.

But as with clothing, another reason for reduced durability is that many consumers don’t want durable appliances–instead consumers want the
latest model with all the whizz-bang features. (Sure, I don’t want this
and you don’t want it but heh, they sell!) In other words, appliances
and their colors, features and styles have become items of fashion.

And people’s desire for new things only appears to be growing. Petrino
Ball said her sales research at AJ Madison showed that today consumers
are buying new appliances every eight years, even if what they had
before hasn’t fully failed.

…Whitney Welch, a spokesperson for GE Appliances, told me that its
research showed consumers are often replacing appliances for aesthetic reasons….

If many customers don’t want to keep appliances for more than 10 years
then it doesn’t pay to make them last more than 10 years.

The big story isn’t declining durability but declining price:

In 1972, Sears sold a clothes washer for $220 and a dryer for $90, per
2022 research by AARP Magazine. That’s about $2,389 in 2025, adjusted
for inflation. Today you can get a washer-and-dryer pair on sale from
Sears for around $1,200.

The Baumol effect means that repair is rising in price relative to
buying new which is another reason why we don’t keep products around as
long as we did when we were poorer and it it made sense to fix broken
goods:

….prices on most new models are so low, his first suggestion to
customers is to just replace the appliance. “If the cost of repair is
50% of replacement, throw it cleanly away,” he said. “If it’s 40%, consider the option.”

“Labor is highly skilled,” he added. “It can’t compete with low prices.”

In many cases, it can’t compete with lost time, either. Repairs often
require waiting a few days or weeks for parts, said Petrino Ball. “Even
one day without a washer-dryer or fridge is really hard for many
families,” she said, “but if you buy one, you can have it the next day.”

Moreover, as I argued with clothes, it is possible to find durable
appliances if you shop carefully. Interestingly, Wharton notes that you
can either go high or low. The top-of-the-line appliances from Sub-Zero
and Wolf do last longer but they are very expensive and often do not
include whizz-bang features. Alternatively, you can go low–buy a GE or
Sears refrigerator and get it without frills–no ice or water dispenser,
no electronics, no lux colors and chances are it will last a long time.

In short, appliance durability hasn’t collapsed—it’s evolved to meet consumer demand. We’re not being ripped off. We are getting better
products at better prices. Rising incomes have simply redefined what “better” means..."

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:25:04 +0000, gm wrote:

From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Everything was normal after I removed the plastic liner on the door and resealed it in place. There was also problems with the defroster heater
not turning on and the coils freezing up. This probably could have been
fixed by replacing the control board but in the end, we ended up buying
a new one. As it goes, we'll be buying as many refrigerators as we have
to to keep our food nice and safe.

OTOH, the next refrigerator that we get will mostly depend on the ice
maker that it supports. Our Frigidaire has a dog of an ice maker. It's
too slow for our family's ice requirements. I believe that this stems
from the ice tray in the automatic ice maker being made of nylon instead
of aluminum. Plastic is more of an insulator than aluminum.

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:12:20 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:25:04 +0000, gm wrote:

From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Everything was normal after I removed the plastic liner on the door and resealed it in place. There was also problems with the defroster heater
not turning on and the coils freezing up. This probably could have been
fixed by replacing the control board but in the end, we ended up buying
a new one. As it goes, we'll be buying as many refrigerators as we have
to to keep our food nice and safe.

OTOH, the next refrigerator that we get will mostly depend on the ice
maker that it supports. Our Frigidaire has a dog of an ice maker. It's
too slow for our family's ice requirements. I believe that this stems
from the ice tray in the automatic ice maker being made of nylon instead
of aluminum. Plastic is more of an insulator than aluminum.

Maybe yoose should get a countertop ice maker:

Is it worth it to get a countertop ice maker?

An ice maker can absolutely be worth it if you're serious about your
home bar setup. The hollow, cloudy ice you've seen is typical for
cheaper models, but it's not ideal for cocktails--it melts faster,
diluting drinks more quickly, and can sometimes pick up odd freezer
odors if not cleaned properly...

What is the best counter top ice maker to buy?

Our Top Countertop Ice Maker Picks
Best Overall. Iceman by Chefman Dual-Size Countertop Ice Maker. ...
Best Value. AGLUCKY Countertop Ice Maker. ...
Best Splurge. GE Profile Opal 2.0 Countertop Ice Maker with Side Tank.
..
Best Compact. Iceman by Chefman Compact Portable Ice Maker. ...
Best Nugget. Ecozy Countertop Nugget Ice Maker. ...
Best Smart.

Jan 9, 2025

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dsi1 wrote on 6/23/2025 4:12 PM:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:25:04 +0000, gm wrote:

From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Everything was normal after I removed the plastic liner on the door and resealed it in place. There was also problems with the defroster heater
not turning on and the coils freezing up. This probably could have been
fixed by replacing the control board but in the end, we ended up buying
a new one. As it goes, we'll be buying as many refrigerators as we have
to to keep our food nice and safe.

OTOH, the next refrigerator that we get will mostly depend on the ice
maker that it supports. Our Frigidaire has a dog of an ice maker. It's
too slow for our family's ice requirements. I believe that this stems
from the ice tray in the automatic ice maker being made of nylon instead
of aluminum. Plastic is more of an insulator than aluminum.

Tojo, being that yoose a hiwaiian, yoose need to buy a commercial ice
maker, like they have in motels, etc.

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:33:51 +0000, gm wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:12:20 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:25:04 +0000, gm wrote:

From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that
something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Everything was normal after I removed the plastic liner on the door and
resealed it in place. There was also problems with the defroster heater
not turning on and the coils freezing up. This probably could have been
fixed by replacing the control board but in the end, we ended up buying
a new one. As it goes, we'll be buying as many refrigerators as we have
to to keep our food nice and safe.

OTOH, the next refrigerator that we get will mostly depend on the ice
maker that it supports. Our Frigidaire has a dog of an ice maker. It's
too slow for our family's ice requirements. I believe that this stems
from the ice tray in the automatic ice maker being made of nylon instead
of aluminum. Plastic is more of an insulator than aluminum.

Maybe yoose should get a countertop ice maker:

Is it worth it to get a countertop ice maker?

An ice maker can absolutely be worth it if you're serious about your
home bar setup. The hollow, cloudy ice you've seen is typical for
cheaper models, but it's not ideal for cocktails--it melts faster,
diluting drinks more quickly, and can sometimes pick up odd freezer
odors if not cleaned properly...

What is the best counter top ice maker to buy?

Our Top Countertop Ice Maker Picks
Best Overall. Iceman by Chefman Dual-Size Countertop Ice Maker. ...
Best Value. AGLUCKY Countertop Ice Maker. ...
Best Splurge. GE Profile Opal 2.0 Countertop Ice Maker with Side Tank.
...
Best Compact. Iceman by Chefman Compact Portable Ice Maker. ...
Best Nugget. Ecozy Countertop Nugget Ice Maker. ...
Best Smart.

Jan 9, 2025

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That's not a bad idea. Maybe it's a great idea. Mahalo!

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:33:51 +0000, gm wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:12:20 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that
something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Maybe yoose should get a countertop ice maker:

What is the best counter top ice maker to buy?

Our Top Countertop Ice Maker Picks
Best Overall. Iceman by Chefman Dual-Size Countertop Ice Maker. ...
Best Value. AGLUCKY Countertop Ice Maker. ...
Best Splurge. GE Profile Opal 2.0 Countertop Ice Maker with Side Tank.
...
Best Compact. Iceman by Chefman Compact Portable Ice Maker. ...
Best Nugget. Ecozy Countertop Nugget Ice Maker. ...
Best Smart.

Jan 9, 2025

GM

I saw in the online ad from Target Sunday they have a
countertop icemaker for sale for $69. Today, while at
Walmart, they had a display of countertop ice makers for
$89. Both brands were name brand appliances but they
escape me at the moment.

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On 6/23/2025 5:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:25:04 +0000, gm wrote:

From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Everything was normal after I removed the plastic liner on the door and resealed it in place. There was also problems with the defroster heater
not turning on and the coils freezing up. This probably could have been
fixed by replacing the control board but in the end, we ended up buying
a new one. As it goes, we'll be buying as many refrigerators as we have
to to keep our food nice and safe.

I'm sure you guys are bored of hearing about my 1942 Westinghouse
fridge, but I'd like to provide an update on it:

I expect that it will outlive me. Buy one, and never buy another.

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On 6/24/2025 12:13 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

On 6/23/2025 5:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:25:04 +0000, gm wrote:

From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that
something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Everything was normal after I removed the plastic liner on the door and
resealed it in place. There was also problems with the defroster heater
not turning on and the coils freezing up. This probably could have been
fixed by replacing the control board but in the end, we ended up buying
a new one. As it goes, we'll be buying as many refrigerators as we have
to to keep our food nice and safe.

I'm sure you guys are bored of hearing about my 1942 Westinghouse
fridge, but I'd like to provide an update on it:

I expect that it will outlive me.  Buy one, and never buy another.

Maybe Westinghouse will buy it from you to put in their showroom. Would
be a great advertising piece.

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On 2025-06-24, Michael Trew <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/23/2025 5:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:25:04 +0000, gm wrote:

From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that
something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Everything was normal after I removed the plastic liner on the door and
resealed it in place. There was also problems with the defroster heater
not turning on and the coils freezing up. This probably could have been
fixed by replacing the control board but in the end, we ended up buying
a new one. As it goes, we'll be buying as many refrigerators as we have
to to keep our food nice and safe.

I'm sure you guys are bored of hearing about my 1942 Westinghouse
fridge, but I'd like to provide an update on it:

I expect that it will outlive me. Buy one, and never buy another.

I want an icemaker and a self-defrosting freezer. If having to
buy a new fridge every few decades is necessary, I'll do it.

My beer fridge in the basement is shut down now; I bet if
I plugged it in, it would still work. It's 28 years old.

--
Cindy Hamilton

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On 6/24/2025 6:27 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2025-06-24, Michael Trew <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm sure you guys are bored of hearing about my 1942 Westinghouse
fridge, but I'd like to provide an update on it:

I expect that it will outlive me. Buy one, and never buy another.

I want an icemaker and a self-defrosting freezer. If having to
buy a new fridge every few decades is necessary, I'll do it.

My beer fridge in the basement is shut down now; I bet if
I plugged it in, it would still work. It's 28 years old.

I have an undercounter fridge and a matching undercounter freezer in my Scottish kitchen - both are 28 years old.

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On 2025-06-24 11:27 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2025-06-24, Michael Trew <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/23/2025 5:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:25:04 +0000, gm wrote:

From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that
something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Everything was normal after I removed the plastic liner on the door and
resealed it in place. There was also problems with the defroster heater
not turning on and the coils freezing up. This probably could have been
fixed by replacing the control board but in the end, we ended up buying
a new one. As it goes, we'll be buying as many refrigerators as we have
to to keep our food nice and safe.

I'm sure you guys are bored of hearing about my 1942 Westinghouse
fridge, but I'd like to provide an update on it:

I expect that it will outlive me. Buy one, and never buy another.

I want an icemaker and a self-defrosting freezer. If having to
buy a new fridge every few decades is necessary, I'll do it.

My beer fridge in the basement is shut down now; I bet if
I plugged it in, it would still work. It's 28 years old.

I renovated my kitchen 28 years ago and the KA fridge/freezer is
working just fine. The Bosch dishwasher became noisy just after the
warranty expired but still cleans well despite a Bosch representative
telling me it had only a 10 year life expectancy.

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On 6/24/2025 12:13 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

On 6/23/2025 5:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that
something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

I'm sure you guys are bored of hearing about my 1942 Westinghouse
fridge, but I'd like to provide an update on it:

I expect that it will outlive me.  Buy one, and never buy another.

Sure, Michael, but can you find parts for it if it ever does break down?

Jill

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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

My beer fridge in the basement is shut down now; I bet if
I plugged it in, it would still work. It's 28 years old.

some AC and other mechanical systems might not last long
if they don't get some use once in a while (to lubricate
the bearings or seals). i was told that even in the
winter to run the AC on the car once in a while for this
sort of reason. it was working fine when i sold the car
over 20yrs later... anecdotal evidence for sure, but i'm
good with it.

here in the house we run the AC once in a while during
the winter and also run the heat once in a while in the
summer. the furnace we did have to replace after almost
30yrs and a previous replacement of the heat exchanger
but the AC we've only had a little electrical work
needing to be done for that and that was due to mice
damage to some wires. so the AC for the house is now
almost 30yrs and doing ok (same with the well pump which
is still pumping strong, but losing a little bit of the
seal for the back flow prevention).

our more recent fridge has lasted ok. i like it a lot
better than our previous one (no idea how old that one
was).

washing machines have been a PITA. more recent ones
have too much stuff on them that can break. like when i
bought my car i asked the the most simple everything i
could get and a standard tranmission (aka manual shifter
not automatic). things still did break here or there
with the car but not the electric locks or window open
and closing stuff (because it didn't have any of that
to begin with). when i sold it the transmission and
motor were still good (as was the AC which was the only
luxury item i added when i bought it because i knew i
was going to be driving a lot in some hot states).


songbird

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On 2025-06-25, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

washing machines have been a PITA. more recent ones
have too much stuff on them that can break.

Two words: Speed Queen.

--
Cindy Hamilton

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On 6/24/2025 5:10 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:

On 6/24/2025 12:13 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

On 6/23/2025 5:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that
something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

I'm sure you guys are bored of hearing about my 1942 Westinghouse
fridge, but I'd like to provide an update on it:

I expect that it will outlive me.  Buy one, and never buy another.

Sure, Michael, but can you find parts for it if it ever does break down?

Jill

Probably not, but there's almost nothing to break. *knock on wood*

It would frost up less if the door seal weren't made of 83 year old
rubber. Maybe I can find someone who makes a door seal.

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 22:32:39 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:33:51 +0000, gm wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:12:20 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:25:04 +0000, gm wrote:

From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that
something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Everything was normal after I removed the plastic liner on the door and
resealed it in place. There was also problems with the defroster heater
not turning on and the coils freezing up. This probably could have been
fixed by replacing the control board but in the end, we ended up buying
a new one. As it goes, we'll be buying as many refrigerators as we have
to to keep our food nice and safe.

OTOH, the next refrigerator that we get will mostly depend on the ice
maker that it supports. Our Frigidaire has a dog of an ice maker. It's
too slow for our family's ice requirements. I believe that this stems
from the ice tray in the automatic ice maker being made of nylon instead >>> of aluminum. Plastic is more of an insulator than aluminum.

Maybe yoose should get a countertop ice maker:

Is it worth it to get a countertop ice maker?

An ice maker can absolutely be worth it if you're serious about your
home bar setup. The hollow, cloudy ice you've seen is typical for
cheaper models, but it's not ideal for cocktails--it melts faster,
diluting drinks more quickly, and can sometimes pick up odd freezer
odors if not cleaned properly...

What is the best counter top ice maker to buy?

Our Top Countertop Ice Maker Picks
Best Overall. Iceman by Chefman Dual-Size Countertop Ice Maker. ...
Best Value. AGLUCKY Countertop Ice Maker. ...
Best Splurge. GE Profile Opal 2.0 Countertop Ice Maker with Side Tank.
...
Best Compact. Iceman by Chefman Compact Portable Ice Maker. ...
Best Nugget. Ecozy Countertop Nugget Ice Maker. ...
Best Smart.

Jan 9, 2025

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GM

That's not a bad idea. Maybe it's a great idea. Mahalo!

Here's another:

Let’s say you have a 30-to-45-minute commute from your suburban home to
the office downtown. Your (as in: a vehicle you own and is used only by
you and your family) driverless car waits quietly for you to get dressed
and get into whenever you are ready...

Car drives you to work and parks itself somewhere downtown — likely
somewhere less expensive than the parking garage attached to your
high-rise office building...

At the end of the day, reverse the above...

Would people pay to own such a vehicle rather than relying on a
self-driving taxi?

A vehicle that is available on the owner’s schedule 24/7 with no wait or delay. A vehicle that is nicer than a public vehicle not built to the customer’s tastes and desires...???

O:-)

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 16:13:19 +0000, Michael Trew wrote:

On 6/23/2025 5:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 13:25:04 +0000, gm wrote:

From MARGINAL REVOLUTION:

Have Appliances Declined in Durability?

Our last refrigerator lasted about 3 years. When we got it, I knew that
something was not right because the freezer was foggy and filled with
frost. The service guy said everything was normal.

Everything was normal after I removed the plastic liner on the door and
resealed it in place. There was also problems with the defroster heater
not turning on and the coils freezing up. This probably could have been
fixed by replacing the control board but in the end, we ended up buying
a new one. As it goes, we'll be buying as many refrigerators as we have
to to keep our food nice and safe.

I'm sure you guys are bored of hearing about my 1942 Westinghouse
fridge, but I'd like to provide an update on it:

I expect that it will outlive me. Buy one, and never buy another.

The latches on those old-time refrigerators are scary. They provide an effective seal but a good number of kids died in those things. By
"good", I mean bad. There should be a way to open them up from the
inside. The use of explosive bolts would facilitate a quick escape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDbuOeqvKs&t=167s

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