• OT Hazardous History

    From Ed P@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 16 21:04:16 2025
    I'm watching the first episode of a new series on History Channel called Hazardous History.

    I'm sure many of you here would enjoy some of the toys and playgrounds
    from childhood. Roller Coasters that pull 12gs, chemistry sets with radioactive materials, Jarts, glass blowing kits, and so forth.

    New episodes Sunday night at 10, this one repeats Sunday at noon.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 17 02:56:09 2025
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 1:04:16 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    I'm watching the first episode of a new series on History Channel called Hazardous History.

    I'm sure many of you here would enjoy some of the toys and playgrounds
    from childhood. Roller Coasters that pull 12gs, chemistry sets with radioactive materials, Jarts, glass blowing kits, and so forth.

    New episodes Sunday night at 10, this one repeats Sunday at noon.


    Oh, it all sounds like fun!

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 17 13:01:11 2025
    On 2025-06-17, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:
    I'm watching the first episode of a new series on History Channel called Hazardous History.

    I'm sure many of you here would enjoy some of the toys and playgrounds
    from childhood. Roller Coasters that pull 12gs, chemistry sets with radioactive materials, Jarts, glass blowing kits, and so forth.

    have watched videos of such things on youtube. i doubt we can
    get anything new on the history channel, we don't subscribe to
    any tv service other than netflix. it might be on pluto or tubi,
    my wife would know.

    i had a chemistry set and our family still plays jarts at get
    togethers. none of this stuff is or was hazardous except perhaps
    the low level radiation. i worked at a place where the owner
    rented roof space to two different companies which had installed
    cell towers up there. i bet i got more (rf) radiation from the
    cell towers than i did from the chemistry set.

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available
    so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride
    lol.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 17 09:24:52 2025
    On 2025-06-16 9:04 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    I'm watching the first episode of a new series on History Channel called Hazardous History.

    I'm sure many of you here would enjoy some of the toys and playgrounds
    from childhood.  Roller Coasters that pull 12gs, chemistry sets with radioactive materials, Jarts, glass blowing kits, and so forth.

    New episodes Sunday night at 10, this one repeats Sunday at noon.


    They don't even have Mechano sets anymore. Maybe it is because too many
    kids cut their fingers on the sharp edges of the metal pieces. We all
    had toy guns, usually cap guns. We graduated to air guns, then BB guns
    and pellet guns. By age 14-15 we had shotguns and .22 rifles. When I
    was in high school we had a trap and skeet club. We used to take out
    shotguns and a couple boxes of shells to school on club days. The
    teacher would drive us out to the range. As a safety precaution we had
    to keep our guns and ammo in our lockers.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Tue Jun 17 09:27:33 2025
    On 6/17/2025 9:01 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:
    I'm watching the first episode of a new series on History Channel called
    Hazardous History.

    I'm sure many of you here would enjoy some of the toys and playgrounds
    from childhood. Roller Coasters that pull 12gs, chemistry sets with
    radioactive materials, Jarts, glass blowing kits, and so forth.

    have watched videos of such things on youtube. i doubt we can
    get anything new on the history channel, we don't subscribe to
    any tv service other than netflix. it might be on pluto or tubi,
    my wife would know.

    i had a chemistry set and our family still plays jarts at get
    togethers. none of this stuff is or was hazardous except perhaps
    the low level radiation.

    OMG, you should read the news. Jarts had killed 3 people.

    How many people have been injured by lawn darts?
    Lawn dart injuries account for an estimated 675 emergency department
    visits per year. Seventy-six patients are described herein. The victims
    ranged from 1 to 18 years of age and were predominantly male (male to
    female ratio is 3.1:1).

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2396629/

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Jun 17 09:24:09 2025
    On 2025-06-17 7:24 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-16 9:04 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    I'm watching the first episode of a new series on History Channel
    called Hazardous History.

    I'm sure many of you here would enjoy some of the toys and playgrounds
    from childhood.  Roller Coasters that pull 12gs, chemistry sets with
    radioactive materials, Jarts, glass blowing kits, and so forth.

    New episodes Sunday night at 10, this one repeats Sunday at noon.


    They don't even have Meccano sets anymore. Maybe it is because too many
    kids cut their fingers on the sharp edges of the metal pieces.

    More likely it's due to shorter attention spans and Lego is so much
    easier to handle than those tiny nuts and bolts.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Tue Jun 17 13:31:38 2025
    On 2025-06-17 11:24 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-06-17 7:24 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:

    They don't even have Meccano sets anymore. Maybe it is because too
    many kids cut their fingers on the sharp edges of the metal pieces.

    More likely it's due to shorter attention spans and Lego is so much
    easier to handle than those tiny nuts and bolts.


    Meccano was certainly more demanding. You needed to think about the
    pieces you needed and the order in which to assemble them. It was great
    for developing hand eye coordination and digital dexterity. It could be
    pretty frustrating to get things almost together and then to dismantle
    half of it to slip an essential piece into place. It certainly imparted
    some mechanical skills on our young minds and bodies. We may be the last generation that can assemble steel shelving units without instructions.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 17 17:40:43 2025
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 1:04:16 +0000, Ed P wrote:

    I'm watching the first episode of a new series on History Channel called Hazardous History.

    I'm sure many of you here would enjoy some of the toys and playgrounds
    from childhood. Roller Coasters that pull 12gs, chemistry sets with radioactive materials, Jarts, glass blowing kits, and so forth.

    New episodes Sunday night at 10, this one repeats Sunday at noon.

    We had this when we were kids. Good fun times.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbkr9CYMgCU

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 17 18:37:30 2025
    On 2025-06-17, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 9:01 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:
    I'm watching the first episode of a new series on History Channel called >>> Hazardous History.

    I'm sure many of you here would enjoy some of the toys and playgrounds
    from childhood. Roller Coasters that pull 12gs, chemistry sets with
    radioactive materials, Jarts, glass blowing kits, and so forth.

    have watched videos of such things on youtube. i doubt we can
    get anything new on the history channel, we don't subscribe to
    any tv service other than netflix. it might be on pluto or tubi,
    my wife would know.

    i had a chemistry set and our family still plays jarts at get
    togethers. none of this stuff is or was hazardous except perhaps
    the low level radiation.

    OMG, you should read the news. Jarts had killed 3 people.

    How many people have been injured by lawn darts?
    Lawn dart injuries account for an estimated 675 emergency department
    visits per year. Seventy-six patients are described herein. The victims ranged from 1 to 18 years of age and were predominantly male (male to
    female ratio is 3.1:1).

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2396629/

    "Pediatricians should encourage parents to discard all lawn
    darts."

    if a pediatrician had ever said that to us, it's the pediatrician
    who would have been discard in favor of one with a functioning
    brain.

    we should give a set of Jarts of everyone who did / does the
    Tide Pod challenge. it would help clean out the gene pool,
    methinks.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Jun 18 05:59:13 2025
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 13:31:38 -0400, Dave Smith
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-06-17 11:24 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-06-17 7:24 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:

    They don't even have Meccano sets anymore. Maybe it is because too
    many kids cut their fingers on the sharp edges of the metal pieces.

    More likely it's due to shorter attention spans and Lego is so much
    easier to handle than those tiny nuts and bolts.


    Meccano was certainly more demanding. You needed to think about the
    pieces you needed and the order in which to assemble them. It was great
    for developing hand eye coordination and digital dexterity. It could be >pretty frustrating to get things almost together and then to dismantle
    half of it to slip an essential piece into place. It certainly imparted
    some mechanical skills on our young minds and bodies. We may be the last >generation that can assemble steel shelving units without instructions.

    Is this a parody of old man talk?

    --
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    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 17 17:10:29 2025
    On 6/16/2025 9:04 PM, Ed P wrote:
    I'm watching the first episode of a new series on History Channel called Hazardous History.

    I'm sure many of you here would enjoy some of the toys and playgrounds
    from childhood.  Roller Coasters that pull 12gs, chemistry sets with radioactive materials, Jarts, glass blowing kits, and so forth.

    New episodes Sunday night at 10, this one repeats Sunday at noon.

    I remember my oldest brother having a chemistry set that probably
    contained a lot of hazardous chemicals. He also had a contraption
    called 'The Thing Maker' (aka Creepy Crawlers). It was basically metal
    molds you heated to extreme temperatures and you poured liquid goop in
    to make small rubber toys. I think it was made by Mattel. The whole
    thing got very hot! It did turn out some nifty little rubber-like
    creepy crawlers, though. :)

    I haven't seen this episode on History Channel but I'll bet they're
    going to mention playgrounds with metal slides that got hot. Heck, we
    had a solution for that. Rub some of the playground sand (none of that
    chopped up rubbery stuff on the playground back then) to make it slick
    then slide down on a towel. We lined up to do that. We also climbed
    metal "monkey bars" with nothing but gravel underneath. Oh my.

    My brothers had archery sets with metal tipped arrows. We all rode our bicycles without helmets. Ditto roller skating on the streets. I do
    remember a friend of mine who was on the swing set in her back yard.
    This would have been in 1967. Of course we had to swing as high as we
    could. She decided to jump off when it was at the high point going
    forward, landed wrong and broke her arm. It was a bad decision on her
    part. She got cast (which everyone in the neighborhood signed) and we
    brought her some magazines that were featuring 'The Monkees'. LOL

    We survived.

    Jill

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 17 17:21:37 2025
    On 2025-06-17 9:27 a.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 9:01 AM, flood of sins wrote:

    OMG, you should read the news.  Jarts had killed 3 people.

    How many people have been injured by lawn darts?
    Lawn dart injuries account for an estimated 675 emergency department
    visits per year. Seventy-six patients are described herein. The victims ranged from 1 to 18 years of age and were predominantly male (male to
    female ratio is 3.1:1).


    I just remembered an incident at day camp when I was a kid. It was a
    rainy day so we were inside a small building. Along one side of the
    building that was a dart board and a partition separating it from the
    rest of the room. I was standing somewhere near the middle of the room
    doing something when I felt something hit my leg. I looked down and saw
    a dart sticking in my thigh. It the point was in all the way. They
    hauled me out out there and took me to a doctor where I got my first
    tetanus shot. Darts don't seem to be considered kids' toys anymore.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Jun 17 17:16:21 2025
    On 6/17/2025 1:31 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-17 11:24 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-06-17 7:24 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:

    They don't even have Meccano sets anymore. Maybe it is because too
    many kids cut their fingers on the sharp edges of the metal pieces.

    More likely it's due to shorter attention spans and Lego is so much
    easier to handle than those tiny nuts and bolts.


    Meccano was certainly more demanding. You needed to think about the
    pieces you needed and the order in which to assemble them. It was great
    for developing hand eye coordination and digital dexterity. It could be pretty frustrating to get things almost together and then to dismantle
    half of it to slip an essential piece into place.  It certainly imparted some mechanical skills on our young minds and bodies. We may be the last generation that can assemble steel shelving units without instructions.

    I preferred Lincoln Logs (still building stuff but without the sharp
    metal parts) and Tinker Toys. As a kit I assembled the image of a
    Clipper Ship using Tinker Toys with spools and rods and ran paper on
    thread as the sails. It took a long time but also a lot of
    concentration and attention to detail. Oh, and knowing how to follow blueprints is important even in today's world of building stuff.

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Tue Jun 17 17:29:31 2025
    On 6/17/2025 5:10 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:


    I haven't seen this episode on History Channel but I'll bet they're
    going to mention playgrounds with metal slides that got hot.  Heck, we
    had a solution for that.  Rub some of the playground sand (none of that chopped up rubbery stuff on the playground back then) to make it slick
    then slide down on a towel.  We lined up to do that.  We also climbed
    metal "monkey bars" with nothing but gravel underneath.  Oh my.

    My brothers had archery sets with metal tipped arrows.  We all rode our bicycles without helmets.  Ditto roller skating on the streets.  I do remember a friend of mine who was on the swing set in her back yard.
    This would have been in 1967.  Of course we had to swing as high as we could.  She decided to jump off when it was at the high point going
    forward, landed wrong and broke her arm.  It was a bad decision on her part.  She got cast (which everyone in the neighborhood signed) and we brought her some magazines that were featuring 'The Monkees'. LOL

    We survived.

    Jill

    Yes, and the spinning things that kids got tossed off from the
    centrifugal force, onto the hard ground.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Jun 17 21:47:33 2025
    On 2025-06-17, Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-06-17 11:24 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-06-17 7:24 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:

    They don't even have Meccano sets anymore. Maybe it is because too
    many kids cut their fingers on the sharp edges of the metal pieces.

    More likely it's due to shorter attention spans and Lego is so much
    easier to handle than those tiny nuts and bolts.


    Meccano was certainly more demanding. You needed to think about the
    pieces you needed and the order in which to assemble them. It was great
    for developing hand eye coordination and digital dexterity. It could be pretty frustrating to get things almost together and then to dismantle
    half of it to slip an essential piece into place. It certainly imparted
    some mechanical skills on our young minds and bodies. We may be the last generation that can assemble steel shelving units without instructions.

    They came out with other building products. For a while my husband
    was playing with Robotix, even though he was a little too old for
    them.

    Structural components, motors, pulleys.


    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Tue Jun 17 17:56:31 2025
    On 2025-06-17 5:10 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 6/16/2025 9:04 PM, Ed P wrote:
    I'm watching the first episode of a new series on History Channel
    called Hazardous History.

    I'm sure many of you here would enjoy some of the toys and playgrounds
    from childhood.  Roller Coasters that pull 12gs, chemistry sets with
    radioactive materials, Jarts, glass blowing kits, and so forth.

    New episodes Sunday night at 10, this one repeats Sunday at noon.

    I remember my oldest brother having a chemistry set that probably
    contained a lot of hazardous chemicals.  He also had a contraption
    called 'The Thing Maker' (aka Creepy Crawlers).  It was basically metal molds you heated to extreme temperatures and you poured liquid goop in
    to make small rubber toys.  I think it was made by Mattel.  The whole
    thing got very hot!  It did turn out some nifty little rubber-like
    creepy crawlers, though. :)

    I haven't seen this episode on History Channel but I'll bet they're
    going to mention playgrounds with metal slides that got hot.  Heck, we
    had a solution for that.  Rub some of the playground sand (none of that chopped up rubbery stuff on the playground back then) to make it slick
    then slide down on a towel.  We lined up to do that.  We also climbed
    metal "monkey bars" with nothing but gravel underneath.  Oh my.

    My brothers had archery sets with metal tipped arrows.  We all rode our bicycles without helmets.  Ditto roller skating on the streets.  I do remember a friend of mine who was on the swing set in her back yard.
    This would have been in 1967.  Of course we had to swing as high as we could.  She decided to jump off when it was at the high point going
    forward, landed wrong and broke her arm.  It was a bad decision on her part.  She got cast (which everyone in the neighborhood signed) and we brought her some magazines that were featuring 'The Monkees'. LOL

    We survived.

    Most kids back in the 50-60s had one of those little steam engines. They
    were relatively safe by they safety standards of the time. They used
    cubes of some form of paraffin for fuel and there were special trays for
    the fuel. It was still open flame and there was the hot steam.

    North American safety stands tend to be pretty high. We were in Estonia
    about 10 years ago and I was shocked at the absence of safety concerns.
    I can think of three situations that would never be tolerated here.

    In the first case my wife wanted me to try the archery just outside the
    old town walls. I was given a bow and a handful of arrows and there was
    a target set up about 25m away. I knocked an arrow, drew the bow and
    took aim at the target. I was just about to release the arrow when a
    person walked out from behind some bushes and walked in front of my target.

    The other two were in a restaurant in the old town. There is a cement
    stairway and a stoop at the front entrance and at the top of the stairs
    there were two pots pull of oil with floating wicks for torches. To make
    it even dodgier, the pots were like small cauldrons with round bottoms
    and tiny feet. If someone stumbled on one of those pots and knocked it
    over there would be oil and open flame. The interior of the building
    was very rustic. The railings along the stairs to the second floor were
    old, dried out untreated pine. For lighting they had dripped candle wax
    on the railing and stuck lit candles. I just can't imagine US or
    Canadian safety standards allowing the use of wax candles on bare wood
    in a public area. It is a disaster waiting to happen.


    Despite safety concerns, the food was amazing. Here is a link to it. The
    menu appears to be a lot more expensive than we were there, but we were
    advised at the time that prices were rising quickly as Tallinn became an increasingly popular destination. There were 4 adults and two kids. I
    had had a filet and my wife had duck. Our niece and her husband had
    similar meals and drinks. The girls had burgers and soft drinks, and
    soft drinks there are about the same price as beer and wine. Total bill
    was about $120 CDN.

    https://www.tripadvisor.ca/Restaurant_Review-g274958-d779902-Reviews-Peppersack-Tallinn_Harju_County.html

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Jun 17 23:02:27 2025
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 21:56:31 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    I remember my oldest brother having a chemistry set that probably
    contained a lot of hazardous chemicals. 


    I don't remember my brothers having a chemistry set but
    one brother did get a microscope for Christmas one year.
    I'd have to flip a coin to see who had more enjoyment
    from it, my brother, or my dad.


    I haven't seen this episode on History Channel but I'll bet they're
    going to mention playgrounds with metal slides that got hot.  Heck, we
    had a solution for that.  Rub some of the playground sand (none of that
    chopped up rubbery stuff on the playground back then) to make it slick
    then slide down on a towel.  We lined up to do that.  We also climbed
    metal "monkey bars" with nothing but gravel underneath.  Oh my.


    We used a bit of baby powder on the metal slide at school.
    Of course when the sun hit it was like sliding down a
    stainless steel skillet it was so hot. Our merry-go-round
    looked nothing like the ones today and loved the monkey bars!
    At the corner of a house nextdoor to us but was on our property
    was metal stand made out of cast iron plumbing pipe. One time
    it was the support for a cistern, but we thought we were the
    luckiest kids on the block because we had our own monkey bars!!


    We all rode our bicycles without helmets.  Ditto roller skating
    on the streets.


    Virtually no traffic on our neighborhood streets during the
    day as households had only one car. The dads took them to
    work so it was safe to ride bikes without fear of being hit.
    I had those keyed roller skates and why my feet look normal
    and not mangled is a mystery to me. We tried to tighten
    those skates as tight as they would go so the skates would
    come off and we'd go crashing to the ground. Key was on
    an old shoe lace or length of yarn and hung around the neck.

    https://i.postimg.cc/zvcQfCVt/Roller-Skates.jpg

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Tue Jun 17 23:32:52 2025
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 23:19:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 6/17/2025 5:29 PM, Ed P wrote:

    Yes, and the spinning things that kids got tossed off from the
    centrifugal force, onto the hard ground.

    Only if your friends could run fast enough to get the metal
    merry-go-round spinning fast enough. No one could run that fast and all
    you had to do was hold onto the bars as it spun. If you fell off, you
    might get a skinned knee. No one cared. It was fun!

    Jil


    A boy in my second-grade class got slung off the spinning
    merry-go-round and it broke his arm. He's the only kid
    I knew that ever received a broken bone on the playground.

    But I remember my knees, elbows, and toes were a perpetual
    shade of red all summer due to the applications of Merthiolate/
    mercurochrome.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 17 19:19:39 2025
    On 6/17/2025 5:29 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 5:10 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:


    I haven't seen this episode on History Channel but I'll bet they're
    going to mention playgrounds with metal slides that got hot.  Heck, we
    had a solution for that.  Rub some of the playground sand (none of
    that chopped up rubbery stuff on the playground back then) to make it
    slick then slide down on a towel.  We lined up to do that.  We also
    climbed metal "monkey bars" with nothing but gravel underneath.  Oh my.

    My brothers had archery sets with metal tipped arrows.  We all rode
    our bicycles without helmets.  Ditto roller skating on the streets.  I
    do remember a friend of mine who was on the swing set in her back
    yard. This would have been in 1967.  Of course we had to swing as high
    as we could.  She decided to jump off when it was at the high point
    going forward, landed wrong and broke her arm.  It was a bad decision
    on her part.  She got cast (which everyone in the neighborhood signed)
    and we brought her some magazines that were featuring 'The Monkees'. LOL

    We survived.

    Jill

    Yes, and the spinning things that kids got tossed off from the
    centrifugal force, onto the hard ground.

    Only if your friends could run fast enough to get the metal
    merry-go-round spinning fast enough. No one could run that fast and all
    you had to do was hold onto the bars as it spun. If you fell off, you
    might get a skinned knee. No one cared. It was fun!

    Jil

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Tue Jun 17 19:27:20 2025
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote on 6/17/2025 6:32 PM:
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 23:19:39 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 6/17/2025 5:29 PM, Ed P wrote:

    Yes, and the spinning things that kids got tossed off from the
    centrifugal force, onto the hard ground.

    Only if your friends could run fast enough to get the metal
    merry-go-round spinning fast enough.� No one could run that fast and all
    you had to do was hold onto the bars as it spun.� If you fell off, you
    might get a skinned knee.� No one cared.� It was fun!

    Jil


    A boy in my second-grade class got slung off the spinning
    merry-go-round and it broke his arm.� He's the only kid
    I knew that ever received a broken bone on the playground.

    But I remember my knees, elbows, and toes were a perpetual
    shade of red all summer due to the applications of Merthiolate/ mercurochrome.

    You can't even buy Mercurochrome any more, but I still have a couple of
    bottles from the good ole days.

    It works just fine, and at my age, I'm not worried about it being a
    deadly poison.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Tue Jun 17 19:21:44 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote on 6/17/2025 4:16 PM:
    On 6/17/2025 1:31 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-17 11:24 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-06-17 7:24 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:

    They don't even have Meccano sets anymore. Maybe it is because too
    many kids cut their fingers on the sharp edges of the metal pieces.

    More likely it's due to shorter attention spans and Lego is so much
    easier to handle than those tiny nuts and bolts.


    Meccano was certainly more demanding. You needed to think about the
    pieces you needed and the order in which to assemble them. It was
    great for developing hand eye coordination and digital dexterity. It
    could be pretty frustrating to get things almost together and then to
    dismantle half of it to slip an essential piece into place.  It
    certainly imparted some mechanical skills on our young minds and
    bodies. We may be the last generation that can assemble steel shelving
    units without instructions.

    I preferred Lincoln Logs (still building stuff but without the sharp
    metal parts) and Tinker Toys.� As a kit I assembled the image of a
    Clipper Ship using Tinker Toys with spools and rods and ran paper on
    thread as the sails.� It took a long time but also a lot of
    concentration and attention to detail.� Oh, and knowing how to follow blueprints is important even in today's world of building stuff.

    Jill


    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff? I remember he loved ships,
    almost as much as big titties and squirting pussy, and he was also hot
    on your Majesty's scent trail for a long time before he died.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Jun 18 00:30:29 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 0:21:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff? I remember he loved ships,
    for a long time before he died.


    Sheldon's dead???????

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Wed Jun 18 01:18:04 2025
    On 2025-06-17, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available
    so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride
    lol.


    I agree. Having to think for oneself promotes common sense. Having the government think for oneself, promotes whatever "this" is.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Tue Jun 17 22:30:57 2025
    On 6/17/2025 9:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available
    so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride
    lol.


    I agree. Having to think for oneself promotes common sense. Having the government think for oneself, promotes whatever "this" is.


    Where do you draw the line? How many injuries allowed before
    regulation? How many kids can die before regulation?

    Automobiles would cost less without air bags and seat belts but the
    government forces them on us.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Jun 18 12:43:33 2025
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 22:30:57 -0400, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 6/17/2025 9:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available
    so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride
    lol.


    I agree. Having to think for oneself promotes common sense. Having the
    government think for oneself, promotes whatever "this" is.


    Where do you draw the line? How many injuries allowed before
    regulation? How many kids can die before regulation?

    Automobiles would cost less without air bags and seat belts but the >government forces them on us.

    Leo would prefer a lawless society where we can't leave the house
    without organising an armed posse to protect us from roving gangs.
    Anyone who disagrees with him will be hanged in the town square come
    sunrise.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Jun 17 22:54:08 2025
    On 2025-06-17 10:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 9:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available
    so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride
    lol.


    I agree. Having to think for oneself promotes common sense. Having the
    government think for oneself, promotes whatever "this" is.


    Where do you draw the line?  How many injuries allowed before
    regulation?  How many kids can die before regulation?

    Automobiles would cost less without air bags and seat belts but the government forces them on us.


    Back in the 60s my wife's cousin's 7 year old daughter was killed in a
    car mishap. It was before seatbelts were required. Her father was
    driving. Someone pulled out in front of him and he hit the brakes. She
    stopped in good time and avoided a crash but the little girl flew into
    the dash board and was killed.

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of
    crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear
    seatbelts.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Jun 17 23:28:35 2025
    On 6/17/2025 10:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-06-17 10:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 9:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available
    so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride
    lol.


    I agree. Having to think for oneself promotes common sense. Having the
    government think for oneself, promotes whatever "this" is.


    Where do you draw the line?  How many injuries allowed before
    regulation?  How many kids can die before regulation?

    Automobiles would cost less without air bags and seat belts but the
    government forces them on us.


    Back in the 60s my wife's cousin's 7 year old daughter was killed in a
    car mishap. It was before seatbelts were required. Her father was
    driving. Someone pulled out in front of him and he hit the brakes. She stopped in good time and avoided a crash but the little girl flew into
    the dash board and was killed.

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear seatbelts.

    Some people don't like wearing them. A few years back a pickup got into
    an accident, not enough to kill someone. Unfortunately, it was enough
    to open the door, eject the driver and run over him to kill him.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Jun 18 13:51:29 2025
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 22:54:08 -0400, Dave Smith
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-06-17 10:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 9:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available
    so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride
    lol.

    I agree. Having to think for oneself promotes common sense. Having the
    government think for oneself, promotes whatever "this" is.

    Where do you draw the line?  How many injuries allowed before
    regulation?  How many kids can die before regulation?

    Automobiles would cost less without air bags and seat belts but the
    government forces them on us.

    Back in the 60s my wife's cousin's 7 year old daughter was killed in a
    car mishap. It was before seatbelts were required. Her father was
    driving. Someone pulled out in front of him and he hit the brakes. She >stopped in good time and avoided a crash but the little girl flew into
    the dash board and was killed.

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of >crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear >seatbelts.

    Leo would rather die in a car accident than have communists save his
    life!

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Jun 18 04:56:38 2025
    On 2025-06-18, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

    Where do you draw the line? How many injuries allowed before
    regulation? How many kids can die before regulation?

    I draw the line at parents, schools and Darwinian disbelief. That's
    their job.

    Automobiles would cost less without air bags and seat belts but the government forces them on us.

    As technology develops, airbags, seat belts and motorcycle helmets should
    be an option. Those who are too dim to use them should bump into Darwin.

    My Dad was a prosecutor. Life was sacred. I once asked him if a human life
    was worth an aircraft carrier. That pissed him off, and I didn't get a
    coherent answer.

    Make us "aware", and let us go, individually, from there. Caveat emptor. There's an out-of-control tort system to aid the dumbest-among-us. I
    have problems with that too.

    Ow! I just burned my dumb-ass lap with coffee. Give me a million
    dollars! Whether humans are here or not, Darwin will come out on top.

    Have a nice day, and feed some palmetto bugs to your alligator on the
    lanai (whatever that is).

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Jun 18 05:04:38 2025
    On 2025-06-18, Bruce <[email protected]d> wrote:

    Leo would rather die in a car accident than have communists save his
    life!


    You're on the right track. If their government organization never got a
    nickel from me, I would expect nothing. If it did, I would expect
    everything.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jun 18 07:51:21 2025
    On 6/17/2025 10:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote

    North American safety stands tend to be pretty high. We were in Estonia
    about 10 years ago and I was shocked at the absence of safety concerns.
    I can think of three situations that would never be tolerated here.

    In the first case my wife wanted me to try the archery  just outside the
    old town walls.  I was given a bow and a handful of arrows and there was
    a target set up about 25m away. I knocked an arrow, drew the bow and
    took aim at the target. I was just about to release the arrow when a
    person walked out from behind some bushes and walked in front of my target.


    When I was in high school, one of the optional activities was archery.
    For some unfathomable reason, the phys ed teachers insisted on setting
    up the targets in front of the entrances to the changing areas and
    equipment rooms. The opposite side of the room was blank, but there were
    big windows. Apparently, they were more worried about breaking glass,
    than injuring students.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Wed Jun 18 09:28:13 2025
    On 2025-06-17, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <[email protected]> wrote:

    We used a bit of baby powder on the metal slide at school.

    Baby powder? How posh. We just threw a handful of gravel
    from the playground on it. The rocks slid off, but the
    sand stayed to act as bearings.

    Virtually no traffic on our neighborhood streets during the
    day as households had only one car.

    We had plenty of traffic on the streets; multi-car families
    were pretty common in Motown.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Wed Jun 18 09:31:13 2025
    On 2025-06-18, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:

    As technology develops, airbags, seat belts and motorcycle helmets should
    be an option. Those who are too dim to use them should bump into Darwin.

    Those who are too dim to use them are not the only ones harmed.
    How high do you want your insurance premiums to be to cover those
    losses?

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Jun 18 08:53:37 2025
    On 2025-06-17 11:28 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 10:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of
    crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear
    seatbelts.

    Some people don't like wearing them.  A few years back a pickup got into
    an accident, not enough to kill someone.  Unfortunately, it was enough
    to open the door, eject the driver and run over him to kill him.

    In one crash I attended a pickup truck had been Tboned by a tractor
    trailer and would likely have survived almost unhurt if he had been
    buckled in. The impact flipped his pickup on its side and pushed it
    about 100 yards down the road. The impact knocked the cargo box off but
    the impact side of its cab was not bad. If he had been wearing his belt
    he likely would have had some type of whiplash injury but because he not
    he got thrown half way out the window and the top half of his body was
    scrapped off along the asphalt.

    In other one a car collided with a pickup. The car driver's air bag
    deployed so he had a scrape on his forehead. His wife had a bruise from
    the seatbelt. The pickup driver was thrown out the window and then slid
    head first for about 10-15 yards. He was out cold. His sweat bands and underwear were down around his knees and his bowels had let loose. Too
    cool to wear about a seat belt but not too cool to show the world he had crapped himself.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Wed Jun 18 08:59:01 2025
    On 2025-06-18 2:51 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 10:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote

    In the first case my wife wanted me to try the archery  just outside
    the old town walls.  I was given a bow and a handful of arrows and
    there was a target set up about 25m away. I knocked an arrow, drew the
    bow and took aim at the target. I was just about to release the arrow
    when a person walked out from behind some bushes and walked in front
    of my target.


    When I was in high school, one of the optional activities was archery.
    For some unfathomable reason, the phys ed teachers insisted on setting
    up the targets in front of the entrances to the changing areas and
    equipment rooms. The opposite side of the room was blank, but there were
    big windows. Apparently, they were more worried about breaking glass,
    than injuring students.



    That made me think of the time I was donating blood at the local high
    school. I was laying on cot looking up and there was an arrow stick in
    one of the beams up there. There are risks with stuff like that
    because there always sees to be at least one careless idiot. It's
    unfortunate that the small minority spoil it for the many others who
    would learn a useful skill and absorb some safety rules that could be
    applied to other activities.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 09:05:34 2025
    On 2025-06-18 8:23 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 2:54:08 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-06-17 10:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 9:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available
    so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride
    lol.


    I agree. Having to think for oneself promotes common sense. Having the >>>> government think for oneself, promotes whatever "this" is.


    Where do you draw the line?  How many injuries allowed before
    regulation?  How many kids can die before regulation?

    Automobiles would cost less without air bags and seat belts but the
    government forces them on us.


    Back in the 60s my wife's cousin's 7 year old daughter was killed in a
    car mishap. It was before seatbelts were required. Her father was
    driving. Someone pulled out in front of him and he hit the brakes. She
    stopped in good time and avoided a crash but the little girl flew into
    the dash board and was killed.

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of
    crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear
    seatbelts.

    My mom's 1970 Barracuda was one of the first cars to have 3 point seat
    belts. The shoulder belt was stashed above the drivers window with clips
    to hold it in place. To use it, you'd unclip it and attach it to the lap
    belt latch. After use, you'd detach it from the lap belt and stow it
    back where it belonged. Stowing the shoulder belt took a while. It would
    also never look like it came from the factory because it would be loose
    and floppy. I tried it a couple of times before giving up on it.

    I remember shoulder straps in my father's 63 Pontiac.

    You didn't need the shoulder belt anyway since the flat steering wheel
    would keep you from crashing into the dash. The steering wheel was one
    of the first to have a collapsible steering column. I suppose that car
    was one of the safer cars of the era.


    Seatbelts prevent you from crashing into the steering wheel. One off the
    fatal crashes I attended involved a guy who didn't have time to scrap
    off his windshield before heading off to work. He crossed the centre
    line and ran headfirst into a dump truck. He was thrown against the
    steering wheel with enough force to crack his chest wide open. It was
    like one of those models of the abdomen in a biology class. The ribs
    were splayed open exposing the lungs, stomach, liver and intestines. He
    had died on impact so there was no blood. It was a valuable lesson to me.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Ub4ZO0yIA&t=695s

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jun 18 12:23:35 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 2:54:08 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-06-17 10:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 9:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available
    so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride
    lol.


    I agree. Having to think for oneself promotes common sense. Having the
    government think for oneself, promotes whatever "this" is.


    Where do you draw the line?  How many injuries allowed before
    regulation?  How many kids can die before regulation?

    Automobiles would cost less without air bags and seat belts but the
    government forces them on us.


    Back in the 60s my wife's cousin's 7 year old daughter was killed in a
    car mishap. It was before seatbelts were required. Her father was
    driving. Someone pulled out in front of him and he hit the brakes. She stopped in good time and avoided a crash but the little girl flew into
    the dash board and was killed.

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear seatbelts.

    My mom's 1970 Barracuda was one of the first cars to have 3 point seat
    belts. The shoulder belt was stashed above the drivers window with clips
    to hold it in place. To use it, you'd unclip it and attach it to the lap
    belt latch. After use, you'd detach it from the lap belt and stow it
    back where it belonged. Stowing the shoulder belt took a while. It would
    also never look like it came from the factory because it would be loose
    and floppy. I tried it a couple of times before giving up on it.

    You didn't need the shoulder belt anyway since the flat steering wheel
    would keep you from crashing into the dash. The steering wheel was one
    of the first to have a collapsible steering column. I suppose that car
    was one of the safer cars of the era.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Ub4ZO0yIA&t=695s

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Jun 18 19:23:08 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 13:05:34 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-06-18 8:23 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 2:54:08 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-06-17 10:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 9:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available
    so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride
    lol.


    I agree. Having to think for oneself promotes common sense. Having the >>>>> government think for oneself, promotes whatever "this" is.


    Where do you draw the line?  How many injuries allowed before
    regulation?  How many kids can die before regulation?

    Automobiles would cost less without air bags and seat belts but the
    government forces them on us.


    Back in the 60s my wife's cousin's 7 year old daughter was killed in a
    car mishap. It was before seatbelts were required. Her father was
    driving. Someone pulled out in front of him and he hit the brakes. She
    stopped in good time and avoided a crash but the little girl flew into
    the dash board and was killed.

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of
    crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear
    seatbelts.

    My mom's 1970 Barracuda was one of the first cars to have 3 point seat
    belts. The shoulder belt was stashed above the drivers window with clips
    to hold it in place. To use it, you'd unclip it and attach it to the lap
    belt latch. After use, you'd detach it from the lap belt and stow it
    back where it belonged. Stowing the shoulder belt took a while. It would
    also never look like it came from the factory because it would be loose
    and floppy. I tried it a couple of times before giving up on it.

    I remember shoulder straps in my father's 63 Pontiac.

    You didn't need the shoulder belt anyway since the flat steering wheel
    would keep you from crashing into the dash. The steering wheel was one
    of the first to have a collapsible steering column. I suppose that car
    was one of the safer cars of the era.


    Seatbelts prevent you from crashing into the steering wheel. One off the fatal crashes I attended involved a guy who didn't have time to scrap
    off his windshield before heading off to work. He crossed the centre
    line and ran headfirst into a dump truck. He was thrown against the
    steering wheel with enough force to crack his chest wide open. It was
    like one of those models of the abdomen in a biology class. The ribs
    were splayed open exposing the lungs, stomach, liver and intestines. He
    had died on impact so there was no blood. It was a valuable lesson to
    me.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Ub4ZO0yIA&t=695s

    The Barracuda had a collapsible steering column which was probably
    better than nothing at all. Those days were the start of designing for
    vehicle safety which is a good thing. Most of the safety features were
    better than nothing at all. My guess is that the most effective safety
    feature would be to have no human steering, braking, or accelerating,
    the vehicle. That's in the future.

    When I left home, I got myself a Barracuda too. It was a 67 and it had
    the standard safety feature of the time: lap belts. I liked it better
    than my mom's Barracuda - it didn't keep losing traction on the rear and sitting in it was more pleasant. Sitting in the rear seats was a fun and
    airy experience. My mom's car was like being in a dark, airless,
    dungeon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dX2T_ujA-k

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 16:23:07 2025
    dsi1 wrote on 6/18/2025 2:23 PM:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 13:05:34 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-06-18 8:23 a.m., dsi1 wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 2:54:08 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-06-17 10:30 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 9:18 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
    On 2025-06-17, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    *PEOPLE* are hazardous. all this stuff should still be available >>>>>>> so Darwinism / Natural Selection can run its course. Except the
    12g roller coasters, i enjoy being conscious for the entire ride >>>>>>> lol.


    I agree. Having to think for oneself promotes common sense. Having >>>>>> the
    government think for oneself, promotes whatever "this" is.


    Where do you draw the line?  How many injuries allowed before
    regulation?  How many kids can die before regulation?

    Automobiles would cost less without air bags and seat belts but the
    government forces them on us.


    Back in the 60s my wife's cousin's 7 year old daughter was killed in a >>>> car mishap. It was before seatbelts were required. Her father was
    driving. Someone pulled out in front of him and he hit the brakes. She >>>> stopped in good time and avoided a crash but the little girl flew into >>>> the dash board and was killed.

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of >>>> crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear
    seatbelts.

    My mom's 1970 Barracuda was one of the first cars to have 3 point seat
    belts. The shoulder belt was stashed above the drivers window with clips >>> to hold it in place. To use it, you'd unclip it and attach it to the lap >>> belt latch. After use, you'd detach it from the lap belt and stow it
    back where it belonged. Stowing the shoulder belt took a while. It would >>> also never look like it came from the factory because it would be loose
    and floppy. I tried it a couple of times before giving up on it.

    I remember shoulder straps in my father's 63 Pontiac.

    You didn't need the shoulder belt anyway since the flat steering wheel
    would keep you from crashing into the dash. The steering wheel was one
    of the first to have a collapsible steering column. I suppose that car
    was one of the safer cars of the era.


    Seatbelts prevent you from crashing into the steering wheel. One off the
    fatal crashes I attended involved a guy who didn't have time to scrap
    off his windshield before heading off to work.� He crossed the centre
    line and ran headfirst into a dump truck. He was thrown against the
    steering wheel with enough force to crack his chest wide open. It was
    like one of those models of the abdomen in a biology class. The ribs
    were splayed open exposing the lungs, stomach, liver and intestines. He
    had died on impact so there was no blood.� It was a valuable lesson to
    me.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Ub4ZO0yIA&t=695s

    The Barracuda had a collapsible steering column which was probably
    better than nothing at all. Those days were the start of designing for vehicle safety which is a good thing. Most of the safety features were
    better than nothing at all. My guess is that the most effective safety feature would be to have no human steering, braking, or accelerating,
    the vehicle. That's in the future.

    When I left home, I got myself a Barracuda too. It was a 67 and it had
    the standard safety feature of the time: lap belts. I liked it better
    than my mom's Barracuda - it didn't keep losing traction on the rear and sitting in it was more pleasant. Sitting in the rear seats was a fun and
    airy experience. My mom's car was like being in a dark, airless,
    dungeon.

    Such was your mother's whole life.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Wed Jun 18 17:23:33 2025
    On 6/17/2025 8:30 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 0:21:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff?  I remember he loved ships,
    for a long time before he died.


    Sheldon's dead???????

    No, Sheldon is not dead.

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 19 07:36:48 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 16:31:34 -0500, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Jill McQuown wrote on 6/18/2025 4:23 PM:
    On 6/17/2025 8:30 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 0:21:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff?  I remember he loved ships, >>>> for a long time before he died.

    Sheldon's dead???????

    No, Sheldon is not dead.

    Jill

    Same as. He's locked away due to some type of severe mental disease or >dementia, (which is the nice word for alzheimers). At any rate, he is
    non functional.

    We shall never hear another nautical sex story.

    Or stories about nuns who spontaneously dropped their habit when they
    saw him.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Wed Jun 18 16:31:34 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote on 6/18/2025 4:23 PM:
    On 6/17/2025 8:30 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 0:21:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff?  I remember he loved ships,
    for a long time before he died.


    Sheldon's dead???????

    No, Sheldon is not dead.

    Jill

    Same as. He's locked away due to some type of severe mental disease or dementia, (which is the nice word for alzheimers). At any rate, he is
    non functional.

    We shall never hear another nautical sex story.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Wed Jun 18 22:15:26 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 21:23:33 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 6/17/2025 8:30 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 0:21:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff?  I remember he loved ships,
    for a long time before he died.


    Sheldon's dead???????

    No, Sheldon is not dead.

    Jill


    Thanks!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Thu Jun 19 08:27:34 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 22:15:26 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 21:23:33 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 6/17/2025 8:30 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 0:21:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff?  I remember he loved ships,
    for a long time before he died.


    Sheldon's dead???????

    No, Sheldon is not dead.

    Jill

    Thanks!

    Phew, where would we be without Sheldon's unique blend of racism,
    homophobia and misogyny? Oh wait, there's always Trump!

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Jun 18 17:50:23 2025
    Bruce wrote on 6/18/2025 4:36 PM:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 16:31:34 -0500, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Jill McQuown wrote on 6/18/2025 4:23 PM:
    On 6/17/2025 8:30 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 0:21:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff?  I remember he loved ships, >>>>> for a long time before he died.

    Sheldon's dead???????

    No, Sheldon is not dead.

    Jill

    Same as. He's locked away due to some type of severe mental disease or
    dementia, (which is the nice word for alzheimers). At any rate, he is
    non functional.

    We shall never hear another nautical sex story.

    Or stories about nuns who spontaneously dropped their habit when they
    saw him.


    And all those Squirting pussies and enormous titties.

    He would definitely have nailed Queen McCrone, had her Majesty not found
    out he was married.

    Can't have a royal consort married to a mexican woman.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Wed Jun 18 19:33:04 2025
    On 6/18/2025 6:15 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 21:23:33 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 6/17/2025 8:30 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 0:21:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff?  I remember he loved ships,
    for a long time before he died.


    Sheldon's dead???????

    No, Sheldon is not dead.

    Jill


    Thanks!

    You're welcome. I'm still in touch with his wife, Kathy. I'm sure
    she'd let me know if he died. Don't pay attention to BS posts by Hank.

    Jill

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jun 19 11:52:33 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 01:37:32 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 22:27:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Phew, where would we be without Sheldon's unique blend of racism,
    homophobia and misogyny? Oh wait, there's always Trump!

    Uncle was all that - at least he was entertaining. I suspect that he had
    a traumatic brain injury that caused a personality change. The people
    that replaced him are not entertaining - mostly they're boring,
    repetitious, and got nothing to say. Uncle would be totally out of
    control but half the time, he knew what he was talking about.

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/W0OpjvU_dQY/m/6fkek5OTDAAJ

    I think he always had those obnoxious ideas, but his dementia made him
    express them unfiltered. It's strange that RFC women liked him, in
    spite of his misogyny. Just like some of them apparently didn't mind
    Trump's "Grab them by the pussy" comment and still voted for him.
    Clearly, they secretly thought "Finally a man who knows what we want!"

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Bruce on Thu Jun 19 01:37:32 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 22:27:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 22:15:26 +0000, [email protected] (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 21:23:33 +0000, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 6/17/2025 8:30 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 0:21:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff?  I remember he loved ships, >>>>> for a long time before he died.


    Sheldon's dead???????

    No, Sheldon is not dead.

    Jill

    Thanks!

    Phew, where would we be without Sheldon's unique blend of racism,
    homophobia and misogyny? Oh wait, there's always Trump!

    Uncle was all that - at least he was entertaining. I suspect that he had
    a traumatic brain injury that caused a personality change. The people
    that replaced him are not entertaining - mostly they're boring,
    repetitious, and got nothing to say. Uncle would be totally out of
    control but half the time, he knew what he was talking about.

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/W0OpjvU_dQY/m/6fkek5OTDAAJ

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Jun 18 22:34:04 2025
    On 6/18/2025 9:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 01:37:32 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 22:27:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Phew, where would we be without Sheldon's unique blend of racism,
    homophobia and misogyny? Oh wait, there's always Trump!

    Uncle was all that - at least he was entertaining. I suspect that he had
    a traumatic brain injury that caused a personality change. The people
    that replaced him are not entertaining - mostly they're boring,
    repetitious, and got nothing to say. Uncle would be totally out of
    control but half the time, he knew what he was talking about.

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/W0OpjvU_dQY/m/6fkek5OTDAAJ

    I think he always had those obnoxious ideas, but his dementia made him express them unfiltered. It's strange that RFC women liked him, in
    spite of his misogyny. Just like some of them apparently didn't mind
    Trump's "Grab them by the pussy" comment and still voted for him.
    Clearly, they secretly thought "Finally a man who knows what we want!"


    Going back a few years, he was not so bad. His last year or so here was
    full blown obnoxious. Aging was not kind to him.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jun 19 16:33:12 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 22:34:04 -0400, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 6/18/2025 9:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 01:37:32 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 22:27:34 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Phew, where would we be without Sheldon's unique blend of racism,
    homophobia and misogyny? Oh wait, there's always Trump!

    Uncle was all that - at least he was entertaining. I suspect that he had >>> a traumatic brain injury that caused a personality change. The people
    that replaced him are not entertaining - mostly they're boring,
    repetitious, and got nothing to say. Uncle would be totally out of
    control but half the time, he knew what he was talking about.

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/W0OpjvU_dQY/m/6fkek5OTDAAJ >>
    I think he always had those obnoxious ideas, but his dementia made him
    express them unfiltered. It's strange that RFC women liked him, in
    spite of his misogyny. Just like some of them apparently didn't mind
    Trump's "Grab them by the pussy" comment and still voted for him.
    Clearly, they secretly thought "Finally a man who knows what we want!"

    Going back a few years, he was not so bad. His last year or so here was
    full blown obnoxious. Aging was not kind to him.

    His racism, homophobia and obsession with zaftige women went on for
    many years.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Jun 19 06:59:37 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 22:50:23 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Bruce wrote on 6/18/2025 4:36 PM:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 16:31:34 -0500, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Jill McQuown wrote on 6/18/2025 4:23 PM:
    On 6/17/2025 8:30 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 0:21:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Did you help Popeye with his ship stuff?  I remember he loved ships,
    for a long time before he died.

    Sheldon's dead???????

    No, Sheldon is not dead.

    Jill

    Same as. He's locked away due to some type of severe mental disease or
    dementia, (which is the nice word for alzheimers). At any rate, he is
    non functional.

    We shall never hear another nautical sex story.

    Or stories about nuns who spontaneously dropped their habit when they
    saw him.


    And all those Squirting pussies and enormous titties.

    He would definitely have nailed Queen McCrone, had her Majesty not found
    out he was married.

    Can't have a royal consort married to a mexican woman.


    In his addled dementia state, does Popeye still dream of pinching Jill's
    plump and ripe Magick squirting titties...???

    --
    GM

    --

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jun 19 11:07:03 2025
    On 6/17/2025 5:29 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 5:10 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:


    I haven't seen this episode on History Channel but I'll bet they're
    going to mention playgrounds with metal slides that got hot.  Heck, we
    had a solution for that.  Rub some of the playground sand (none of
    that chopped up rubbery stuff on the playground back then) to make it
    slick then slide down on a towel.  We lined up to do that.  We also
    climbed metal "monkey bars" with nothing but gravel underneath.  Oh my.

    My brothers had archery sets with metal tipped arrows.  We all rode
    our bicycles without helmets.  Ditto roller skating on the streets.  I
    do remember a friend of mine who was on the swing set in her back
    yard. This would have been in 1967.  Of course we had to swing as high
    as we could.  She decided to jump off when it was at the high point
    going forward, landed wrong and broke her arm.  It was a bad decision
    on her part.  She got cast (which everyone in the neighborhood signed)
    and we brought her some magazines that were featuring 'The Monkees'. LOL

    We survived.

    Jill

    Yes, and the spinning things that kids got tossed off from the
    centrifugal force, onto the hard ground.

    The merry-go-round! That was fun. You just had to hang on for dear
    life. :)

    Jill

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Ed P on Thu Jun 19 11:04:48 2025
    On 6/18/2025 10:34 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 6/18/2025 9:52 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 01:37:32 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    I think he always had those obnoxious ideas, but his dementia made him
    express them unfiltered. It's strange that RFC women liked him, in
    spite of his misogyny.


    Going back a few years, he was not so bad.  His last year or so here was full blown obnoxious.  Aging was not kind to him.

    Sheldon was never that bad if you talked to him on the phone (except
    when he was calling constantly out of sheer boredom). He did not
    demonstrate a misogynistic attitude on the phone. He never spoke in a disrespectful manner to me when we spoke.

    However, he's extremely stubborn. The neuropathy in his legs is why he
    kept falling, yet he refused to use a cane or a walker. His wife still
    works and leads a fairly active life. He refused to let her bring in
    outside help. She was afraid to leave him alone, which is one reason
    he's in an assisted living facility.

    The other reason is his dementia. It was getting progressively worse
    and made him much more aggressive.

    I haven't heard from him in a long time. The last time I did he said
    they had the TV in his room set to Animal Planet and Nature shows, which
    he enjoyed watching. (He couldn't figure out the TV remote.) He was
    doing physical therapy to try to strengthen his legs. He was eating in
    the dining room, talking to people. He had settled in.

    The calls stopped; I doubt he remembers anyone here now.

    OB Food: His wife has planted the vegetable garden for this year.
    She's the one who had actually been doing that for a long time. The
    photos he posted were of vegetables she grew.

    Jill

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to Ed P on Fri Jun 20 13:00:39 2025
    On 2025-06-18, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 6/17/2025 10:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

    Back in the 60s my wife's cousin's 7 year old daughter was killed in a
    car mishap. It was before seatbelts were required. Her father was
    driving. Someone pulled out in front of him and he hit the brakes. She
    stopped in good time and avoided a crash but the little girl flew into
    the dash board and was killed.

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of
    crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear
    seatbelts.

    Some people don't like wearing them. A few years back a pickup got into
    an accident, not enough to kill someone. Unfortunately, it was enough
    to open the door, eject the driver and run over him to kill him.

    i have a friend who was involved in a rollover accident which ended
    upside down in a creek when we was kid. said he nearly drowned
    while freeing himself from the seatbelt. he refuses to wear a
    seatbelt and has been cited for it many times.

    i've been using them since i took drivers education in my senior
    year in high school. can't say seatbelts have saved my life,
    never been in a bad car accident. motorcycle helmets saved my
    life, or at least saved be from becoming a vegetable in a
    wheelchair, multiple times. when i go out west to visit my
    inlaws, i cringe when i see bikers without helmets. which is
    nearly all of them as there is no helmet law. i never swing a
    leg over a bike without putting on a helmet first.

    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:


    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Fri Jun 20 09:18:39 2025
    On 2025-06-20 9:00 a.m., flood of sins wrote:
    On 2025-06-18, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of
    crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear
    seatbelts.

    Some people don't like wearing them. A few years back a pickup got into
    an accident, not enough to kill someone. Unfortunately, it was enough
    to open the door, eject the driver and run over him to kill him.

    i have a friend who was involved in a rollover accident which ended
    upside down in a creek when we was kid. said he nearly drowned
    while freeing himself from the seatbelt. he refuses to wear a
    seatbelt and has been cited for it many times.

    Every truck driver I ever talked to about seatbelts would tell me he
    once saw a crash where the driver died because he was wearing a
    seatbelt. I would look them straight in the eye and say "bullshit". If
    a person is stuck in a position like your friend was they are at lease
    alive. If not for the seatbelt they would likely have been ejected from
    the vehicle, and that is where so many deaths and injuries occur.





    i've been using them since i took drivers education in my senior
    year in high school. can't say seatbelts have saved my life,
    never been in a bad car accident. motorcycle helmets saved my
    life, or at least saved be from becoming a vegetable in a
    wheelchair, multiple times. when i go out west to visit my
    inlaws, i cringe when i see bikers without helmets. which is
    nearly all of them as there is no helmet law. i never swing a
    leg over a bike without putting on a helmet first.



    I used to think motorcycle helmets were useless. A helmet did nothing to
    help my friend when a car pulled in front of him and he Tboned it. He
    was killed on impact. A number of years later I had a mishap and dropped
    a bike. Other than damaging my rotator cuff when I picked the big up, I
    was unhurt. My helmet was a write-off. One side of it was scrapped
    almost right through. Had I not had the helmet on it would have been my
    ear and the side of my head scrapped off on the road.



    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:

    I do. I forgot it one day when I went riding along the Niagara
    Parkway with my wife. That was the day I got hit by a car. As I flew
    through the air in slow motion I was picturing my helmet hanging in the
    closet.

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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Fri Jun 20 07:57:26 2025
    On 2025-06-20 7:00 a.m., flood of sins wrote:


    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:


    I do! I had an accident on my bike and the helmet cracked. I was
    OK so I would never ride without one.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Fri Jun 20 11:36:51 2025
    On 2025-06-20 9:57 a.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-06-20 7:00 a.m., flood of sins wrote:


    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:


    I do! I had an accident on my bike and the helmet cracked. I was
    OK so I would never ride without one.


    A couple we knew were out bicycling on day when a car with a beginner
    driver coming the other way lost control, crossed the road and crashed
    into them head on. She lost a leg on impact and he suffered a serious
    brain injury that left him in intensive care in the hospital for about
    three months before he died. She has adapted well to the loss of her leg
    but she is alive.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Fri Jun 20 12:44:43 2025
    flood of sins wrote:
    ...seatbelts...
    i have a friend who was involved in a rollover accident which ended
    upside down in a creek when we was kid. said he nearly drowned
    while freeing himself from the seatbelt. he refuses to wear a
    seatbelt and has been cited for it many times.

    interesting and almost opposite of what happened to a friend
    of mine. he was driving along and didn't have his seatbel on
    but he was also getting tired and nodding off so he put his
    seatbelt on, sure enough a few minutes later he fell asleep
    and went off the highway and up a bank which jumped him into
    a small stream and he ended up upside down hanging from the
    seatbelt. i doubt he'd have lived without that on.


    i've been using them since i took drivers education in my senior
    year in high school. can't say seatbelts have saved my life,
    never been in a bad car accident. motorcycle helmets saved my
    life, or at least saved be from becoming a vegetable in a
    wheelchair, multiple times. when i go out west to visit my
    inlaws, i cringe when i see bikers without helmets. which is
    nearly all of them as there is no helmet law. i never swing a
    leg over a bike without putting on a helmet first.

    i won't get on a motorcycle ever again, but the helmet i
    did have on (it was the law here back then) when i wiped
    out probably saved me a broken neck - i landed hard enough
    on my neck/shoulder to break my shoulderblade. as i was
    flying over the handlebars my left toe caught the brake
    lever and that twisted me somewhat and messed up my knee
    but not enough to register as anythiing wrong since i did
    have the broken shoulderblade to contend with. they gave
    me a shot at the emergency room that was i think Demoral
    and that was the best i'd felt in many years.


    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:

    sadly, we had a local lady who normally wore a helmet but
    one day she didn't take it with her on the bike trail. for
    some reason she ended up being hit by or hitting someone
    and didn't survive. her husband heard of the accident on
    the radio but didn't worry because his wife always wore hers
    but then he got home and her helmet was on the table when
    he walked in...


    songbird

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Jun 20 17:14:32 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 13:18:39 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-06-20 9:00 a.m., flood of sins wrote:
    On 2025-06-18, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

    I am very much pro seat belt and always wear mine. I attended a lot of >>>> crashes over the years and saw what happens to people who don't wear
    seatbelts.

    Some people don't like wearing them. A few years back a pickup got into >>> an accident, not enough to kill someone. Unfortunately, it was enough
    to open the door, eject the driver and run over him to kill him.

    i have a friend who was involved in a rollover accident which ended
    upside down in a creek when we was kid. said he nearly drowned
    while freeing himself from the seatbelt. he refuses to wear a
    seatbelt and has been cited for it many times.

    Every truck driver I ever talked to about seatbelts would tell me he
    once saw a crash where the driver died because he was wearing a
    seatbelt. I would look them straight in the eye and say "bullshit". If
    a person is stuck in a position like your friend was they are at lease
    alive. If not for the seatbelt they would likely have been ejected from
    the vehicle, and that is where so many deaths and injuries occur.





    i've been using them since i took drivers education in my senior
    year in high school. can't say seatbelts have saved my life,
    never been in a bad car accident. motorcycle helmets saved my
    life, or at least saved be from becoming a vegetable in a
    wheelchair, multiple times. when i go out west to visit my
    inlaws, i cringe when i see bikers without helmets. which is
    nearly all of them as there is no helmet law. i never swing a
    leg over a bike without putting on a helmet first.



    I used to think motorcycle helmets were useless. A helmet did nothing to
    help my friend when a car pulled in front of him and he Tboned it. He
    was killed on impact. A number of years later I had a mishap and dropped
    a bike. Other than damaging my rotator cuff when I picked the big up, I
    was unhurt. My helmet was a write-off. One side of it was scrapped
    almost right through. Had I not had the helmet on it would have been my
    ear and the side of my head scrapped off on the road.



    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:

    I do. I forgot it one day when I went riding along the Niagara
    Parkway with my wife. That was the day I got hit by a car. As I flew
    through the air in slow motion I was picturing my helmet hanging in the closet.

    A friend crashed into a mini-van when a woman did a left turn in front
    of him. There was a video of the accident and it was quite disturbing.
    He has recovered but things would have probably been a lot worse if he
    hadn't been wearing a helmet. My guess is that he received a traumatic
    brain injury that could affect him for the rest of his life. I suppose
    it's a lot better than being dead.

    This guy was a bike nut since high school. He's got that classic
    bent-over biker's posture and lean frame. You can spot those people a
    mile away - even when they're not wearing those ridiculous suits. He
    sold my wife his Gitane when we were in college. It's a pretty good
    bike. I'm glad my wife no longer rides a bike.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Jun 20 23:55:02 2025
    On 2025-06-20, Dave Smith wrote:

    If not for the seatbelt they would likely
    have been ejected from the vehicle, and that
    is where so many deaths and injuries occur.

    The exception to complete this rule was my
    Dad's friend Tony. Tony had a bad(?) habit
    of detaching his seat belt as he left the
    highway to enter the residential road
    close to his house. One night, he failed
    to notice that there was a freight train
    (going from his left to right) on the tracks
    parallel to the highway *immediately* after
    exiting the highway.

    The train clipped his truck, essentially
    knocking it rightwards instantly. Tony
    went out the driver's door, which
    apparently had a latch problem, or maybe
    was not closed tight. Tony was left
    unharmed on the road before the tracks.

    He could not even find his truck. He walked
    home and found his wrecked truck the next day.

    dark

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Mike Duffy on Fri Jun 20 20:34:29 2025
    On 2025-06-20 7:55 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, Dave Smith wrote:

    If not for the seatbelt they would likely
    have been ejected from the vehicle, and that
    is where so many deaths and injuries occur.

    The exception to complete this rule was my
    Dad's friend Tony. Tony had a bad(?) habit
    of detaching his seat belt as he left the
    highway to enter the residential road
    close to his house. One night, he failed
    to notice that there was a freight train
    (going from his left to right) on the tracks
    parallel to the highway *immediately* after
    exiting the highway.

    The train clipped his truck, essentially
    knocking it rightwards instantly. Tony
    went out the driver's door, which
    apparently had a latch problem, or maybe
    was not closed tight. Tony was left
    unharmed on the road before the tracks.

    He could not even find his truck. He walked
    home and found his wrecked truck the next day.

    dark



    I have to wonder if that crash would have happened if he had been sober.

    A friend of mine once had a train incident. He had been drinking and was
    on his way home. He had pulled out to pass a couple of stopped cars and
    ran into the 42nd car of a 60 car train. Ironically, he had an uncle who
    was killed at the same crossing. The guy had just returned from a couple
    years in the UK and fighting his way across Europe. He got back to
    Canada and went out for a drunken welcome home bash with his friends.
    The crash happened on the way home after the party.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Fri Jun 20 19:59:51 2025
    Dave Smith wrote on 6/20/2025 7:34 PM:
    On 2025-06-20 7:55 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
    On 2025-06-20, Dave Smith wrote:

    If not for the seatbelt they would likely
    have been ejected from the vehicle, and that
    is where so many deaths and injuries occur.

    The exception to complete this rule was my
    Dad's friend Tony. Tony had a bad(?) habit
    of detaching his seat belt as he left the
    highway to enter the residential road
    close to his house. One night, he failed
    to notice that there was a freight train
    (going from his left to right) on the tracks
    parallel to the highway *immediately* after
    exiting the highway.

    The train clipped his truck, essentially
    knocking it rightwards instantly. Tony
    went out the driver's door, which
    apparently had a latch problem, or maybe
    was not closed tight. Tony was left
    unharmed on the road before the tracks.

    He could not even find his truck. He walked
    home and found his wrecked truck the next day.

    dark



    I have to wonder if that crash would have happened if he had been sober.

    A friend of mine once had a train incident. He had been drinking and was
    on his way home. He had pulled out to pass a couple of stopped cars and
    ran into the 42nd car of a 60 car train. Ironically, he had an uncle who
    was killed at the same crossing. The guy had just returned from a couple years in the UK and fighting his way across Europe. He got back to
    Canada and went out for a drunken welcome home bash with his friends.
    The crash happened on the way home after the party.


    Officer dave, why didn't you simply arrest the man and throw his ass in
    the drunk tank? You could have prevented this tragedy. Shame on you.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Sat Jun 21 01:25:33 2025
    On 2025-06-21, Dave Smith wrote:

    On 2025-06-20 7:55 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, Dave Smith wrote:

    I have to wonder if that crash would
    have happened if he had been sober.

    How did you know? I have no evidence that
    he had been drinking more heavily that time,
    but he pretty much had an alcohol level
    close to the legal limit whenever awake.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Graham on Sat Jun 21 22:33:52 2025
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 13:57:26 +0000, Graham wrote:

    On 2025-06-20 7:00 a.m., flood of sins wrote:

    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:


    I do! I had an accident on my bike and the helmet cracked. I was
    OK so I would never ride without one.


    Me, too. I don't know if my bike helmet saved my
    life, but it probably prevented me from taking my
    meals through a feeding tube. I never get on my
    bike without one.

    https://i.postimg.cc/T10WN8Wp/Helmet.jpg

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Sat Jun 21 18:25:01 2025
    On 6/20/2025 9:00 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    On 2025-06-18, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

    Some people don't like wearing them. A few years back a pickup got into
    an accident, not enough to kill someone. Unfortunately, it was enough
    to open the door, eject the driver and run over him to kill him.

    i have a friend who was involved in a rollover accident which ended
    upside down in a creek when we was kid. said he nearly drowned
    while freeing himself from the seatbelt. he refuses to wear a
    seatbelt and has been cited for it many times.

    i've been using them since i took drivers education in my senior
    year in high school. can't say seatbelts have saved my life,
    never been in a bad car accident. motorcycle helmets saved my
    life,
    I was dumb enough to roll over a '96 S10 pickup about 8 years ago. I
    walked away, with nothing more than a few bruises and scratches. The
    main injury, truck aside, was my pride. I was wearing a seat belt, and
    I don't think I'd be here today without it. The homemade welded pipe
    rack also kept the cab from crunching in.

    People who don't like seat belts will come up with any excuse to avoid
    wearing them. A friend of mine told me that the first responders to an accident she was in told her that her husband riding with would have
    died had he of been wearing a seat belt. Of course, the reasoning was
    that he was laying backward. Worn correctly, they save lives.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sun Jun 22 08:41:02 2025
    On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 22:33:52 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 13:57:26 +0000, Graham wrote:

    On 2025-06-20 7:00 a.m., flood of sins wrote:

    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:


    I do! I had an accident on my bike and the helmet cracked. I was
    OK so I would never ride without one.


    Me, too. I don't know if my bike helmet saved my
    life, but it probably prevented me from taking my
    meals through a feeding tube. I never get on my
    bike without one.

    https://i.postimg.cc/T10WN8Wp/Helmet.jpg

    If you wear a helmet on your bicycle in the Netherlands, people may
    give you candy, thinking you're a special needs person.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Sat Jun 21 18:46:22 2025
    On 6/21/2025 6:33 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 13:57:26 +0000, Graham wrote:

    On 2025-06-20 7:00 a.m., flood of sins wrote:

    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:


    I do! I had an accident on my bike and the helmet cracked. I was
    OK so I would never ride without one.


    Me, too.  I don't know if my bike helmet saved my
    life, but it probably prevented me from taking my
    meals through a feeding tube.  I never get on my
    bike without one.

    https://i.postimg.cc/T10WN8Wp/Helmet.jpg

    Never wore one many years ago, today, I'd not go out without one. We
    have a lot of "bike lanes" here and frankly, I'd be afraid to ride in
    them with heavy traffic going close by at 50+ mph.

    As kids on the side streets it was never a consideration. Even as an
    adult, I rode mostly where there was no traffic, usually at night for
    the exercise.

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jun 25 16:00:12 2025
    On 2025-06-20, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:

    sadly, we had a local lady who normally wore a helmet but
    one day she didn't take it with her on the bike trail. for
    some reason she ended up being hit by or hitting someone
    and didn't survive. her husband heard of the accident on
    the radio but didn't worry because his wife always wore hers
    but then he got home and her helmet was on the table when
    he walked in...

    after reading all the comments about not wearing a helmet when
    bicycling, i have been not only lucky, i have been enlightened.
    before my next ride i'll be stopping at a bike shop to buy a
    helmet. although i avoid main roads as much as possible which
    contributes to the luck (i don't actually believe in luck, good
    fortune is probably a more appropriate term), dipshittery can
    happen on side streets too.

    thanks folks!

    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

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  • From Janet@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 12:43:28 2025
    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...

    after reading all the comments about not wearing a helmet when
    bicycling, i have been not only lucky, i have been enlightened.
    before my next ride i'll be stopping at a bike shop to buy a
    helmet. although i avoid main roads as much as possible which
    contributes to the luck

    Remote/ lonely roads are the worst place to have a
    cycling accident.

    My son was cycling with a friend (at speed) on lonely
    single-track Highland road when she fell off. Despite
    wearing a helmet her head hit the road hard enough to
    shock her brain, knocked her out and she stopped
    breathing. He had to do CPR and resuscitate her. Had she
    been alone she'd have been dead within minutes.

    Since then, on a 66 mile etape race round Loch Ness, he
    had to resuscitate a stranger who had a cardiac arrest and
    fell off his bike right in front of him.

    Janet UK

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Janet on Thu Jun 26 09:56:50 2025
    On 2025-06-26 7:43 a.m., Janet wrote:
    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    My son was cycling with a friend (at speed) on lonely
    single-track Highland road when she fell off. Despite
    wearing a helmet her head hit the road hard enough to
    shock her brain, knocked her out and she stopped
    breathing. He had to do CPR and resuscitate her. Had she
    been alone she'd have been dead within minutes.

    Ouch.


    Since then, on a 66 mile etape race round Loch Ness, he
    had to resuscitate a stranger who had a cardiac arrest and
    fell off his bike right in front of him.

    Damn those bicycles are dangerous. I knew a guy who was an avid cyclist.
    He had a heart issue and had had a bypass operation. He was cycling with
    his club one day and all of a sudden went down dead from a heart attack.
    At least he died doing something that was good for him.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Thu Jun 26 20:12:10 2025
    Dave Smith wrote:
    ...
    Damn those bicycles are dangerous. I knew a guy who was an avid cyclist.
    He had a heart issue and had had a bypass operation. He was cycling with
    his club one day and all of a sudden went down dead from a heart attack.
    At least he died doing something that was good for him.

    went down quick and was doing what he wanted to do - to me
    that's as good as it gets.


    songbird

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Fri Jun 27 04:36:29 2025
    On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:00:12 +0000, flood of sins wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:

    sadly, we had a local lady who normally wore a helmet but
    one day she didn't take it with her on the bike trail. for
    some reason she ended up being hit by or hitting someone
    and didn't survive. her husband heard of the accident on
    the radio but didn't worry because his wife always wore hers
    but then he got home and her helmet was on the table when
    he walked in...

    after reading all the comments about not wearing a helmet when
    bicycling, i have been not only lucky, i have been enlightened.
    before my next ride i'll be stopping at a bike shop to buy a
    helmet. although i avoid main roads as much as possible which
    contributes to the luck (i don't actually believe in luck, good
    fortune is probably a more appropriate term), dipshittery can
    happen on side streets too.

    thanks folks!

    My wife used to have some nice stems back in the day. She was riding her
    Gitane down Keeaumoku street in Honolulu when she attracted the
    attention of a car full of young military men. Had she been wearing
    loose fitting pants instead of shorts on that day, she could have
    prevented a vehicle of distracted young boys from hitting the car in
    front of them.

    My guess is that wearing a helmet would have been disastrous because in
    those days, wearing a helmet to ride a bicycle was unheard of. Wearing a
    helmet and shorts back in the day would have been way too provocative
    and would have caused accidents all the way down the street. Sometimes
    you just got to think about the safety of others instead of just
    yourself.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Jun 27 16:55:16 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:36:29 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:00:12 +0000, flood of sins wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:

    sadly, we had a local lady who normally wore a helmet but
    one day she didn't take it with her on the bike trail. for
    some reason she ended up being hit by or hitting someone
    and didn't survive. her husband heard of the accident on
    the radio but didn't worry because his wife always wore hers
    but then he got home and her helmet was on the table when
    he walked in...

    after reading all the comments about not wearing a helmet when
    bicycling, i have been not only lucky, i have been enlightened.
    before my next ride i'll be stopping at a bike shop to buy a
    helmet. although i avoid main roads as much as possible which
    contributes to the luck (i don't actually believe in luck, good
    fortune is probably a more appropriate term), dipshittery can
    happen on side streets too.

    thanks folks!

    My wife used to have some nice stems back in the day. She was riding her >Gitane down Keeaumoku street in Honolulu when she attracted the
    attention of a car full of young military men. Had she been wearing
    loose fitting pants instead of shorts on that day, she could have
    prevented a vehicle of distracted young boys from hitting the car in
    front of them.

    My guess is that wearing a helmet would have been disastrous because in
    those days, wearing a helmet to ride a bicycle was unheard of. Wearing a >helmet and shorts back in the day would have been way too provocative
    and would have caused accidents all the way down the street. Sometimes
    you just got to think about the safety of others instead of just
    yourself.

    Is "stems" the same kind of jargon that calls women birds and men
    cats? Some old rockers talk like that.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Jun 27 14:13:34 2025
    On 2025-06-27, dsi1 <[email protected]> wrote:

    Sometimes
    you just got to think about the safety of others instead of just
    yourself.

    No, I don't. My safety comes first. Or second, if my husband
    is involved. Happily, ensuring my safety generally ensures his,
    too. And vice versa.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jun 27 14:12:19 2025
    On 2025-06-27, Bruce <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:36:29 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:00:12 +0000, flood of sins wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:

    sadly, we had a local lady who normally wore a helmet but
    one day she didn't take it with her on the bike trail. for
    some reason she ended up being hit by or hitting someone
    and didn't survive. her husband heard of the accident on
    the radio but didn't worry because his wife always wore hers
    but then he got home and her helmet was on the table when
    he walked in...

    after reading all the comments about not wearing a helmet when
    bicycling, i have been not only lucky, i have been enlightened.
    before my next ride i'll be stopping at a bike shop to buy a
    helmet. although i avoid main roads as much as possible which
    contributes to the luck (i don't actually believe in luck, good
    fortune is probably a more appropriate term), dipshittery can
    happen on side streets too.

    thanks folks!

    My wife used to have some nice stems back in the day. She was riding her >>Gitane down Keeaumoku street in Honolulu when she attracted the
    attention of a car full of young military men. Had she been wearing
    loose fitting pants instead of shorts on that day, she could have
    prevented a vehicle of distracted young boys from hitting the car in
    front of them.

    My guess is that wearing a helmet would have been disastrous because in >>those days, wearing a helmet to ride a bicycle was unheard of. Wearing a >>helmet and shorts back in the day would have been way too provocative
    and would have caused accidents all the way down the street. Sometimes
    you just got to think about the safety of others instead of just
    yourself.

    Is "stems" the same kind of jargon that calls women birds and men
    cats? Some old rockers talk like that.

    Your artificial friend might tell you that "stems" for "legs" dates
    back to 1860 in the UK.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Jun 27 15:41:37 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 6:55:16 +0000, Bruce wrote:
    Is "stems" the same kind of jargon that calls women birds and men
    cats? Some old rockers talk like that.

    I don't know the particulars about the usage of the word. I just heard
    it and thought it was cute. Old rockers do not use that word to mean
    "legs." These days, STEM mostly means "Science, Technology, Engineering,
    and Mathematics."

    Nurse Platt: Oh... I thought he had diarrhea. But... he was limping
    so... I guess he hurt his little stem. Yeah...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_4z6MWe7JU

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Fri Jun 27 15:44:43 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 14:13:34 +0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-06-27, dsi1 <[email protected]> wrote:

    Sometimes
    you just got to think about the safety of others instead of just
    yourself.

    No, I don't. My safety comes first. Or second, if my husband
    is involved. Happily, ensuring my safety generally ensures his,
    too. And vice versa.

    Understood.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Jun 28 04:46:36 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 14:12:19 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-06-27, Bruce <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 04:36:29 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:00:12 +0000, flood of sins wrote:

    On 2025-06-20, songbird <[email protected]> wrote:

    perhaps oddly, i don't use a helmet when bicycling. :shrug:

    sadly, we had a local lady who normally wore a helmet but
    one day she didn't take it with her on the bike trail. for
    some reason she ended up being hit by or hitting someone
    and didn't survive. her husband heard of the accident on
    the radio but didn't worry because his wife always wore hers
    but then he got home and her helmet was on the table when
    he walked in...

    after reading all the comments about not wearing a helmet when
    bicycling, i have been not only lucky, i have been enlightened.
    before my next ride i'll be stopping at a bike shop to buy a
    helmet. although i avoid main roads as much as possible which
    contributes to the luck (i don't actually believe in luck, good
    fortune is probably a more appropriate term), dipshittery can
    happen on side streets too.

    thanks folks!

    My wife used to have some nice stems back in the day. She was riding her >>>Gitane down Keeaumoku street in Honolulu when she attracted the
    attention of a car full of young military men. Had she been wearing
    loose fitting pants instead of shorts on that day, she could have >>>prevented a vehicle of distracted young boys from hitting the car in >>>front of them.

    My guess is that wearing a helmet would have been disastrous because in >>>those days, wearing a helmet to ride a bicycle was unheard of. Wearing a >>>helmet and shorts back in the day would have been way too provocative
    and would have caused accidents all the way down the street. Sometimes >>>you just got to think about the safety of others instead of just >>>yourself.

    Is "stems" the same kind of jargon that calls women birds and men
    cats? Some old rockers talk like that.

    Your artificial friend might tell you that "stems" for "legs" dates
    back to 1860 in the UK.

    But I don't think that's the scene dsi1 picked it up from.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/JhVjfHY8/trumputin.jpg>

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to BryanGSimmons on Fri Jun 27 22:12:55 2025
    BryanGSimmons wrote:



    I had a cop give me a warning and a lecture. He said that the worst
    aspect of his job was having to deal with people who were dead from accidents, and that was way more likely if the person wasn't wearing a
    seat belt. He asked me if I thought it was fair that he had to do that.
    It made an impression on me.


    HAPPY Friday, BRYAN...!!!

    The Trump FORCES of GOOD once again DEFEAT the lefty forces of EVIL...
    GAWD, I LUV it, heehee...!!!

    NY POST:

    Trump scores major win in birthright citizenship case as Supreme Court
    curbs nationwide injunctions

    https://nypost.com/2025/06/27/us-news/trump-scores-major-win-in-birthright-citizenship-case-as-supreme-court-curbs-nationwide-injunctions/

    "WASHINGTON — The US Supreme Court ruled Friday that nationwide
    injunctions issued by lower-court judges “likely exceed” the judicial branch’s constitutional authority — handing a major boost to President Trump’s push to end birthright citizenship...

    The case, Trump v. CASA, Inc., revolved around the administration’s
    challenge to multiple lower courts’ sweeping injunctions against the president’s Day One order overturning the longstanding constitutional protection...

    At the White House, Trump called the ruling a “monumental victory for
    the Constitution” and announced plans to advance his birthright
    citizenship order as well as other policies that have been blocked by
    federal courts..."

    ;-D

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 17:30:34 2025
    gm wrote on 6/27/2025 5:12 PM:
    BryanGSimmons wrote:



    I had a cop give me a warning and a lecture.� He said that the worst
    aspect of his job was having to deal with people who were dead from
    accidents, and that was way more likely if the person wasn't wearing a
    seat belt.� He asked me if I thought it was fair that he had to do that.
    � It made an impression on me.


    HAPPY Friday, BRYAN...!!!

    The Trump FORCES of GOOD once again DEFEAT the lefty forces of EVIL...
    GAWD, I LUV it, heehee...!!!

    NY POST:

    Trump scores major win in birthright citizenship case as Supreme Court
    curbs nationwide injunctions

    https://nypost.com/2025/06/27/us-news/trump-scores-major-win-in-birthright-citizenship-case-as-supreme-court-curbs-nationwide-injunctions/


    "WASHINGTON — The US Supreme Court ruled Friday that nationwide
    injunctions issued by lower-court judges “likely exceed” the judicial branch’s constitutional authority — handing a major boost to President Trump’s push to end birthright citizenship...

    The case, Trump v. CASA, Inc., revolved around the administration’s challenge to multiple lower courts’ sweeping injunctions against the president’s Day One order overturning the longstanding constitutional protection...

    At the White House, Trump called the ruling a “monumental victory for
    the Constitution” and announced plans to advance his birthright
    citizenship order as well as other policies that have been blocked by
    federal courts..."


    Is it true that trump has switched to gorilla glue to anchor his blond hairpiece?

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri Jun 27 22:43:09 2025
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    gm wrote on 6/27/2025 5:12 PM:
    BryanGSimmons wrote:



    I had a cop give me a warning and a lecture.  He said that the worst
    aspect of his job was having to deal with people who were dead from
    accidents, and that was way more likely if the person wasn't wearing a
    seat belt.  He asked me if I thought it was fair that he had to do that. >>>   It made an impression on me.


    HAPPY Friday, BRYAN...!!!

    The Trump FORCES of GOOD once again DEFEAT the lefty forces of EVIL...
    GAWD, I LUV it, heehee...!!!

    NY POST:

    Trump scores major win in birthright citizenship case as Supreme Court
    curbs nationwide injunctions

    https://nypost.com/2025/06/27/us-news/trump-scores-major-win-in-birthright-citizenship-case-as-supreme-court-curbs-nationwide-injunctions/


    "WASHINGTON — The US Supreme Court ruled Friday that nationwide
    injunctions issued by lower-court judges “likely exceed” the
    judicial
    branch’s constitutional authority — handing a major boost to
    President
    Trump’s push to end birthright citizenship...

    The case, Trump v. CASA, Inc., revolved around the administration’s
    challenge to multiple lower courts’ sweeping injunctions against the
    president’s Day One order overturning the longstanding constitutional >> protection...

    At the White House, Trump called the ruling a “monumental victory for >> the Constitution” and announced plans to advance his birthright
    citizenship order as well as other policies that have been blocked by
    federal courts..."


    Is it true that trump has switched to gorilla glue to anchor his blond hairpiece?


    JUST this past WEEK, Sire Hank:

    - SUCCESS in IRAN

    - SUCCESS at the NATO Summit

    - SUCCESS with today's Supreme Court ruling regarding lower court
    injunctions

    ALL this SUCCESS is so SEXUALLY "exciting" it makes me wanna CUM...

    SQUIRT SQUIRT SQUIRT...!!!

    ;-D

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 18:34:03 2025
    gm wrote on 6/27/2025 5:43 PM:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    gm wrote on 6/27/2025 5:12 PM:
    BryanGSimmons wrote:



    I had a cop give me a warning and a lecture.  He said that the worst
    aspect of his job was having to deal with people who were dead from
    accidents, and that was way more likely if the person wasn't wearing a >>>> seat belt.  He asked me if I thought it was fair that he had to do
    that.
      It made an impression on me.


    HAPPY Friday, BRYAN...!!!

    The Trump FORCES of GOOD once again DEFEAT the lefty forces of EVIL...
    GAWD, I LUV it, heehee...!!!

    NY POST:

    Trump scores major win in birthright citizenship case as Supreme Court
    curbs nationwide injunctions

    https://nypost.com/2025/06/27/us-news/trump-scores-major-win-in-birthright-citizenship-case-as-supreme-court-curbs-nationwide-injunctions/



    "WASHINGTON — The US Supreme Court ruled Friday that nationwide
    injunctions issued by lower-court judges “likely exceed” the
    judicial
    branch’s constitutional authority — handing a major boost to
    President
    Trump’s push to end birthright citizenship...

    The case, Trump v. CASA, Inc., revolved around the administration’s >>> challenge to multiple lower courts’ sweeping injunctions against
    the
    president’s Day One order overturning the longstanding
    constitutional
    protection...

    At the White House, Trump called the ruling a “monumental
    victory for
    the Constitution” and announced plans to advance his birthright
    citizenship order as well as other policies that have been blocked by
    federal courts..."


    Is it true that trump has switched to gorilla glue to anchor his blond
    hairpiece?


    JUST this past WEEK, Sire Hank:

    - SUCCESS in IRAN

    - SUCCESS at the NATO Summit

    - SUCCESS with today's Supreme Court ruling regarding lower court
    injunctions

    ALL this SUCCESS is so SEXUALLY "exciting" it makes me wanna CUM...

    SQUIRT SQUIRT SQUIRT...!!!

    Glad to see you finally getting off after so many years of abstinence
    and sexual frustration caused by the damn libs.

    Can't imagine how hard that would be for any homosexual christian.

    Now, you should celebrate by whacking off for the next few days while
    looking at a photo of your hero. This man set you free!

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Fri Jun 27 23:50:44 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:34:03 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    gm wrote on 6/27/2025 5:43 PM:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    gm wrote on 6/27/2025 5:12 PM:
    BryanGSimmons wrote:



    I had a cop give me a warning and a lecture.  He said that the worst >>>>> aspect of his job was having to deal with people who were dead from
    accidents, and that was way more likely if the person wasn't wearing a >>>>> seat belt.  He asked me if I thought it was fair that he had to do >>>>> that.
      It made an impression on me.


    HAPPY Friday, BRYAN...!!!

    The Trump FORCES of GOOD once again DEFEAT the lefty forces of EVIL... >>>> GAWD, I LUV it, heehee...!!!

    NY POST:

    Trump scores major win in birthright citizenship case as Supreme Court >>>> curbs nationwide injunctions

    https://nypost.com/2025/06/27/us-news/trump-scores-major-win-in-birthright-citizenship-case-as-supreme-court-curbs-nationwide-injunctions/



    "WASHINGTON — The US Supreme Court ruled Friday that nationwide >>>> injunctions issued by lower-court judges “likely exceed” the
    judicial
    branch’s constitutional authority — handing a major boost to
    President
    Trump’s push to end birthright citizenship...

    The case, Trump v. CASA, Inc., revolved around the administration’s
    challenge to multiple lower courts’ sweeping injunctions against
    the
    president’s Day One order overturning the longstanding
    constitutional
    protection...

    At the White House, Trump called the ruling a “monumental
    victory for
    the Constitution” and announced plans to advance his birthright >>>> citizenship order as well as other policies that have been blocked by
    federal courts..."


    Is it true that trump has switched to gorilla glue to anchor his blond
    hairpiece?


    JUST this past WEEK, Sire Hank:

    - SUCCESS in IRAN

    - SUCCESS at the NATO Summit

    - SUCCESS with today's Supreme Court ruling regarding lower court
    injunctions

    ALL this SUCCESS is so SEXUALLY "exciting" it makes me wanna CUM...

    SQUIRT SQUIRT SQUIRT...!!!

    Glad to see you finally getting off after so many years of abstinence
    and sexual frustration caused by the damn libs.

    Can't imagine how hard that would be for any homosexual christian.

    Now, you should celebrate by whacking off for the next few days while
    looking at a photo of your hero. This man set you free!


    Heehee. Sire Hank..

    😎

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