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    From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 17:33:56 2025
    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    No corned beef and cabbage here as I didn't even give it
    a thought when I shopped on Friday. I did see cabbage on
    sale, but it still didn't inspire me to buy a head. Here,
    it's going to be that Polish sausage I spoke of last week
    and a can of kraut. After slicing and a light browning
    the sausage will go into the pot with kraut for a bit of
    simmering. I haven't decided on mashed potatoes or garlic
    roasted new potatoes, but I'm leaning toward mashed spuds.
    Probably a small skillet of cornbread as well.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Tue Mar 18 04:41:52 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:33:56 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    No corned beef and cabbage here as I didn't even give it
    a thought when I shopped on Friday. I did see cabbage on
    sale, but it still didn't inspire me to buy a head. Here,
    it's going to be that Polish sausage I spoke of last week
    and a can of kraut. After slicing and a light browning
    the sausage will go into the pot with kraut for a bit of
    simmering. I haven't decided on mashed potatoes or garlic
    roasted new potatoes, but I'm leaning toward mashed spuds.
    Probably a small skillet of cornbread as well.

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?

    --
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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 18:14:45 2025
    On 2025-03-17, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <[email protected]> wrote:
    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    No corned beef and cabbage here as I didn't even give it
    a thought when I shopped on Friday. I did see cabbage on
    sale, but it still didn't inspire me to buy a head. Here,
    it's going to be that Polish sausage I spoke of last week
    and a can of kraut. After slicing and a light browning
    the sausage will go into the pot with kraut for a bit of
    simmering. I haven't decided on mashed potatoes or garlic
    roasted new potatoes, but I'm leaning toward mashed spuds.
    Probably a small skillet of cornbread as well.

    since getting married in 1983 we have never not had corned beef
    and cabbage on St Patricks Day. first time was in 1984 and i
    didn't like it at the time. i had never had corned beef before.
    my parents never had it and the only cabbage they ever ate was
    coleslaw and sauerkraut. i think it was the boiled meat that i
    didn't like at first. the texture. in '85 i asked for it for St
    Pats day. after a dozen reminders i didn't like it the first
    time, we've been having it at least twice a year since.

    --
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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Mon Mar 17 19:08:26 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 18:14:45 +0000, flood of sins wrote:

    since getting married in 1983 we have never not had corned beef
    and cabbage on St Patricks Day. first time was in 1984 and i
    didn't like it at the time. i had never had corned beef before.
    my parents never had it and the only cabbage they ever ate was
    coleslaw and sauerkraut. i think it was the boiled meat that i
    didn't like at first. the texture. in '85 i asked for it for St
    Pats day. after a dozen reminders i didn't like it the first
    time, we've been having it at least twice a year since.


    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois. It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork. Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker. Following
    the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough! I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    Cabbage was frequently on the table, but somehow, I don't
    remember kraut being served.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Mar 17 18:59:21 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:41:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?


    Places such as Boston and other cities with a large
    Irish population have parades on this day with the
    wearing of green pretty much mandatory. I don't
    know about whether these cities serve green beer
    but bars and clubs throughout the country serve
    this tinted brew on this day.

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 18:47:36 2025
    On 3/17/2025 5:33 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    Here, it'll be ham, (sweet)potatoes, and cabbage.

    The liquid from simmering the ham will be the stock for orange lentil
    soup tomorrow.

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 19:21:46 2025
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:41:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?


    Places such as Boston and other cities with a large
    Irish population have parades on this day with the
    wearing of green pretty much mandatory. I don't
    know about whether these cities serve green beer
    but bars and clubs throughout the country serve
    this tinted brew on this day.


    She is just trolling you (as per her usual, lol!), Joan, it's *widely* celebrated in Australia:

    Australian Broadcasting Corporation:

    What is St Patrick's Day? Here's why it's celebrated in Australia

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-14/what-is-st-patricks-day/105043182

    "How is St Patrick's Day celebrated in Australia?

    While it began as an Irish holiday, the Irish Diaspora spread around the
    world brought the celebration to the global stage...

    Australians particularly love celebrating St Patrick’s Day, perhaps
    because so many Australians have some Irish ancestry...

    At one time, 25 per cent of the population in Australia were Irish,
    according to Charles Sturt Univiersity's Centre for Christianity and
    Culture...

    St Patrick's Day events and celebrations are organised in major cities
    and include Catholic masses, parades, festivals, and community events
    featuring Irish music, dance performances, and displays of the Irish
    flag..."

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Tue Mar 18 06:32:14 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 18:59:21 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:41:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?

    Places such as Boston and other cities with a large
    Irish population have parades on this day with the
    wearing of green pretty much mandatory. I don't
    know about whether these cities serve green beer
    but bars and clubs throughout the country serve
    this tinted brew on this day.

    I probably never lived near a large Irish community. I've also never
    seen green beer. I do like Guinness.

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    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 19:32:33 2025
    On 2025-03-17, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 18:14:45 +0000, flood of sins wrote:

    since getting married in 1983 we have never not had corned beef
    and cabbage on St Patricks Day. first time was in 1984 and i
    didn't like it at the time. i had never had corned beef before.
    my parents never had it and the only cabbage they ever ate was
    coleslaw and sauerkraut. i think it was the boiled meat that i
    didn't like at first. the texture. in '85 i asked for it for St
    Pats day. after a dozen reminders i didn't like it the first
    time, we've been having it at least twice a year since.


    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child

    It's very much a damnyankee food. New England Boiled Dinner
    was on the table a couple times a year when I was a child,
    but I wouldn't touch the stuff. The first time I had corned
    beef that I liked was on a sandwich in a local bar.

    Cabbage was frequently on the table, but somehow, I don't
    remember kraut being served.

    My grandfather's stepmother was from Poland. Cabbage, kraut,
    gołąbki, I avoided 'em all.

    Thank God I outgrew picky eating. Now I'm simply selective.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 19:27:35 2025
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:41:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?


    Places such as Boston and other cities with a large
    Irish population have parades on this day with the
    wearing of green pretty much mandatory. I don't
    know about whether these cities serve green beer
    but bars and clubs throughout the country serve
    this tinted brew on this day.


    One million litres of Guinness is ready to pour in Australia this St Patrick’s Day

    https://www.drinkstrade.com.au/news/one-million-litres-of-guinness-is-ready-to-pour-in-australia-this-st-patricks-day/

    March 17, 2025
    By Cody Profaca

    "Close to one million litres of Guinness has been produced for
    Australian consumption ahead of this year’s St Patrick’s Day
    festivities, reports official distributor and producer Lion Australian.
    This is the equivalent of 18,750 kegs or 1.6 million pints, to be poured
    across more than 2,000 pubs nationwide..."

    ;-D

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Mar 17 19:57:41 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:41:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:33:56 +0000, [email protected] (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    No corned beef and cabbage here as I didn't even give it
    a thought when I shopped on Friday. I did see cabbage on
    sale, but it still didn't inspire me to buy a head. Here,
    it's going to be that Polish sausage I spoke of last week
    and a can of kraut. After slicing and a light browning
    the sausage will go into the pot with kraut for a bit of
    simmering. I haven't decided on mashed potatoes or garlic
    roasted new potatoes, but I'm leaning toward mashed spuds.
    Probably a small skillet of cornbread as well.

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman. Dyeing a river green and eating corned beef
    and cabbage is mostly secondary silliness.

    https://apnews.com/article/patrick-chicago-river-dye-green-irish-5a61721b445577b8f76a5e106c55ca5e

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 19:36:29 2025
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    No corned beef and cabbage here as I didn't even give it
    a thought when I shopped on Friday. I did see cabbage on
    sale, but it still didn't inspire me to buy a head. Here,
    it's going to be that Polish sausage I spoke of last week
    and a can of kraut. After slicing and a light browning
    the sausage will go into the pot with kraut for a bit of
    simmering. I haven't decided on mashed potatoes or garlic
    roasted new potatoes, but I'm leaning toward mashed spuds.
    Probably a small skillet of cornbread as well.


    Nothing special, just making some penne pasta with cheese... BUT, I am
    adding some GREEN broccoli to it, so I guess it's "Irish", lol...

    BTW, Joan, I thought this was cute - however, it might just "annoy" one
    of our posters who resides in St. Louis, lol...!!!

    https://postimg.cc/75qTW7bG

    ;-D

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 18 07:05:58 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:41:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman. Dyeing a river green and eating corned beef
    and cabbage is mostly secondary silliness.

    https://apnews.com/article/patrick-chicago-river-dye-green-irish-5a61721b445577b8f76a5e106c55ca5e

    It says that Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland in the
    fifth century. St Patrick's Day should be a day of mourning!

    --
    Bruce
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 19:27:52 2025
    On 2025-03-17, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <[email protected]> wrote:
    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    No traditions here. I've already eaten something green (lettuce),
    so I figure I'm covered.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Mar 17 20:24:13 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:05:58 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:41:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman. Dyeing a river green and eating corned beef
    and cabbage is mostly secondary silliness.
    https://apnews.com/article/patrick-chicago-river-dye-green-irish-5a61721b445577b8f76a5e106c55ca5e

    It says that Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland in the
    fifth century. St Patrick's Day should be a day of mourning!

    We can thank St Patrick for driving out the snakes in Ireland. We don't
    have any snakes here either but one day, da Hawaiians might need the
    mana of St. Patrick. These days, da Hawaiians have got a bigger problem
    than snakes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwdzZ0udi8o

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 20:31:14 2025
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote :

    Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker. Following
    the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough! I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    Like any meat, cook it according to temperature, not time. For
    maximum tenderness, cook to 190° F. Typically, it's brisket, so give
    it a good rest before carving.

    --
    I don't need anger management.
    I need people to stop pissing me off.

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 20:33:35 2025
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.


    Heh, "drink like an Irishman"...


    Topless Passenger’s Drunken St. Patrick’s Day Rampage Smashes Up Dublin Airport

    https://viewfromthewing.com/topless-passengers-drunken-st-patricks-day-rampage-smashes-up-dublin-airport/

    "A passenger who had reportedly missed his flight – and who may have
    been intoxicated on St. Patrick’s Day – went on a rampage in Dublin
    airport terminal 1 today...

    The topless man, with face partially obscured, went about smashing
    structures and hurling objects around the terminal...

    The man apparently was intoxicated when he arrived at the terminal...

    Ryanair’s CEO wants passengers limited to two drinks at the airport, presumably so he doesn’t face competition selling them booze on board.
    Here two more drinks probably wouldn’t have made things worse...

    Airport Police took the man into custody, charged him, and he’s
    scheduled to appear at the Criminal Courts of Justice in Dublin..."

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    GM

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Tue Mar 18 08:04:38 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:17:14 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

    Alcohol is dsi1's kryptonite. When he sees someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! dsi1 runs home in total panic and
    shares a Dr Pepper with his wife.

    --
    Bruce
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 18 08:05:59 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:24:13 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:05:58 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:41:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman. Dyeing a river green and eating corned beef >>>and cabbage is mostly secondary silliness.
    https://apnews.com/article/patrick-chicago-river-dye-green-irish-5a61721b445577b8f76a5e106c55ca5e

    It says that Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland in the
    fifth century. St Patrick's Day should be a day of mourning!

    We can thank St Patrick for driving out the snakes in Ireland. We don't
    have any snakes here either but one day, da Hawaiians might need the
    mana of St. Patrick. These days, da Hawaiians have got a bigger problem
    than snakes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwdzZ0udi8o

    I'd rather have snakes and beetles than Christianity.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 18 08:13:21 2025
    On 17 Mar 2025 21:09:03 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-03-17, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <[email protected]> wrote:
    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    We're doing traditional, with a couple of spuds chucked in, for luck.
    Oh, and I will be having a few Buds but without green dye. That's also
    for luck. ;)

    If someone declares March 20 as Hug A Hamster Day, will you be hugging
    a hamster in a few days?

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 20:17:14 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 21:09:03 2025
    On 2025-03-17, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <[email protected]> wrote:
    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?


    We're doing traditional, with a couple of spuds chucked in, for luck.
    Oh, and I will be having a few Buds but without green dye. That's also
    for luck. ;)

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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Mar 17 21:14:26 2025
    On 2025-03-17, Bruce <[email protected]d> wrote:

    It says that Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland in the
    fifth century. St Patrick's Day should be a day of mourning!


    He also got rid of the snakes in Ireland. That's why you aren't allowed
    there.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 17:17:20 2025
    On 3/17/2025 3:08 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 18:14:45 +0000, flood of sins wrote:

    since getting married in 1983 we have never not had corned beef
    and cabbage on St Patricks Day. first time was in 1984 and i
    didn't like it at the time. i had never had corned beef before.
    my parents never had it and the only cabbage they ever ate was
    coleslaw and sauerkraut. i think it was the boiled meat that i
    didn't like at first. the texture. in '85 i asked for it for St
    Pats day. after a dozen reminders i didn't like it the first
    time, we've been having it at least twice a year since.


    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois.  It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork.  Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker.  Following
    the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough!  I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    I've found the best way to get corned beef brisket tender is low and
    slow in the crock pot.

    Cabbage was frequently on the table, but somehow, I don't
    remember kraut being served.

    I don't recall sauerkraut ever being served when I was growing up.

    Jill

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 17:26:43 2025
    On 3/17/2025 1:33 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    I cooked a 3.5 lb. corned beef brisket & cabbage yesterday and took some
    to work for lunch. I don't eat lunch at the office until around 1PM.
    No clue what I'll have for dinner tonight. Possibly a grilled cheese
    sandwich on sourdough with a slice each of pepper jack and Swiss cheese.
    I've only been home for an hour; I'm not hungry yet.

    No corned beef and cabbage here as I didn't even give it
    a thought when I shopped on Friday.  I did see cabbage on
    sale, but it still didn't inspire me to buy a head.  Here,
    it's going to be that Polish sausage I spoke of last week
    and a can of kraut.  After slicing and a light browning
    the sausage will go into the pot with kraut for a bit of
    simmering.  I haven't decided on mashed potatoes or garlic
    roasted new potatoes, but I'm leaning toward mashed spuds.
    Probably a small skillet of cornbread as well.

    Enjoy!

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Mar 17 17:48:01 2025
    On 3/17/2025 5:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On 17 Mar 2025 21:09:03 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-03-17, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <[email protected]> wrote:
    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    We're doing traditional, with a couple of spuds chucked in, for luck.
    Oh, and I will be having a few Buds but without green dye. That's also
    for luck. ;)

    If someone declares March 20 as Hug A Hamster Day, will you be hugging
    a hamster in a few days?


    OK, I'll pick up some more beer for proper celebration.

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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Leonard Blaisdell on Mon Mar 17 21:55:37 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:09:03 +0000, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-03-17, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <[email protected]> wrote:

    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?


    We're doing traditional, with a couple of spuds chucked in, for luck.
    Oh, and I will be having a few Buds but without green dye. That's also
    for luck. ;)


    If I were doing the traditional, I'd go with some spuds
    chucked into the pot as well. They'd be tasty and why
    not as it would really round out a filling meal.

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Mon Mar 17 22:04:17 2025
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    Bruce wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:17:14 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

    Alcohol is dsi1's kryptonite. When he sees someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! dsi1 runs home in total panic and
    shares a Dr Pepper with his wife.



    Perhaps he's like you, Master, and is squeamish about living things
    dying to produce his food. After all, billions of living yeast cells
    must suffer and die in every vat of beer produced.

    They die a slow death from poisoning. They are fat and happy at the
    beginning of fermentation, but as the alcohol percent rises, they
    suffer. Eventually it becomes poisonous, and as they die,their corpses
    drift to the bottom of the vat, to become shit like vegemite.

    It's just as evil as your preying on fish.


    Kinda like what just happened to a hapless LIBTARD "fish" CNN reporter
    at today's White House press briefing, Sire Hank... LOLZ...!!!


    CNN’s Kaitlan Collins ripped by Karoline Leavitt over question about Biden’s pardons

    https://nypost.com/2025/03/17/media/cnns-kaitlan-collins-ripped-by-karoline-leavitt-over-question-about-bidens-pardons/

    "White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt blased CNN’s Kaitlan
    Collins on Monday after the reporter demanded evidence for President
    Trump’s claim that pardons signed by former President Biden were void...

    Collins questioned Leavitt during the White House press briefing about Trump’s post on Truth Social, in which he made the case that some of Biden’s last-minute pardons were “void” and “vacant” because they were
    allegedly signed by auto-pen without his knowledge...

    The ratings-challenged network’s chief White House correspondent and primetime anchor pressed Leavitt if there was any “evidence” supporting Trump’s claim, to which she shot back: “You’re a reporter, you should find out.”...

    On social media, Trump questioned the validity of Biden’s pardons,
    claiming the aging Biden had no idea who may have used the auto-pen to
    sign off on the eleventh-hour preemptive pardons for former Chairman of
    the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley and Dr. Anthony Fauci...

    “The ‘Pardons’ that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the Unselect Committee of Political Thugs, and many others, are hereby declared VOID, VACANT, AND
    OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT, because of the fact that they were done
    by Autopen,” Trump wrote in post Monday morning...

    The press secretary then zeroed in on Biden’s cognitive ability when he
    made the pardons...

    “The president was begging the question that I think a lot of
    journalists in this room should be asking,” Leavitt said...

    She continued: “I think it’s a question that everybody in this room
    should be looking into, because certainly that would propose perhaps
    criminal or illegal behavior if staff members were signing the president
    of the United States autograph without his consent.”..."


    ;-P

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  • From S Viemeister@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Mon Mar 17 22:08:12 2025
    On 3/17/2025 9:17 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 3:08 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois.  It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork.  Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker.  Following
    the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough!  I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    I've found the best way to get corned beef brisket tender is low and
    slow in the crock pot.

    Yes - that's what I do, too.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to S Viemeister on Mon Mar 17 17:17:21 2025
    S Viemeister wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 9:17 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 3:08 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois.  It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork.  Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker.  Following
    the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough!  I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    I've found the best way to get corned beef brisket tender is low and
    slow in the crock pot.

    Yes - that's what I do, too.


    A regular oven works just fine as well, but you can't turn it up to 400
    degrees and cook it in 30 minutes. Cook it as you would a pork butt,
    slow and covered most of the time.

    Crock pots also work, at least the very old ones. I don't know about
    newer units which are said to be set at higher temperatures.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 18:20:34 2025
    On 2025-03-17 4:17 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

    Canadians too. If we can make dedicate a day of drinking ourselves into
    a stupor in honour of an Irish saint maybe we should revisit Indigenous
    Month.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Mar 17 22:15:42 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:04:38 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:17:14 +0000, [email protected] (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

    Alcohol is dsi1's kryptonite. When he sees someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! dsi1 runs home in total panic and
    shares a Dr Pepper with his wife.

    We don't talk about people in the third person, right?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 18 10:08:49 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:15:42 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:04:38 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:17:14 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

    Alcohol is dsi1's kryptonite. When he sees someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! dsi1 runs home in total panic and
    shares a Dr Pepper with his wife.

    We don't talk about people in the third person, right?

    Alcohol is your kryptonite. When you see someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! You run home in total panic and
    share a Dr Pepper with your wife.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    --
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 18 10:09:34 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 18:20:34 -0400, Dave Smith
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-03-17 4:17 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

    Canadians too. If we can make dedicate a day of drinking ourselves into
    a stupor in honour of an Irish saint maybe we should revisit Indigenous >Month.

    You're more and more starting to talk like cshenkie.

    --
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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Mon Mar 17 23:20:23 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:17:21 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    S Viemeister wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 9:17 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 3/17/2025 3:08 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois.  It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork.  Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker.  Following
    the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough!  I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    I've found the best way to get corned beef brisket tender is low and
    slow in the crock pot.

    Yes - that's what I do, too.


    A regular oven works just fine as well, but you can't turn it up to 400 degrees and cook it in 30 minutes. Cook it as you would a pork butt,
    slow and covered most of the time.

    Crock pots also work, at least the very old ones. I don't know about
    newer units which are said to be set at higher temperatures.


    My Ninja Foodi doubles as a crockpot, but I don't think I'd
    want to dedicate my oven to this cut unless it was the dead
    of winter. The recipe said for this cut of meat to cook it
    under pressure for 70 minutes. It was done, had a great
    taste but was in the realm of shoe leather. It will be cooked
    at double that time if I feel the need to do this again.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 18:32:19 2025
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:17:21 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    S Viemeister wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 9:17 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 3/17/2025 3:08 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois.  It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork.  Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker.  Following
    the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough!  I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    I've found the best way to get corned beef brisket tender is low and
    slow in the crock pot.

    Yes - that's what I do, too.


    A regular oven works just fine as well, but you can't turn it up to 400
    degrees and cook it in 30 minutes. Cook it as you would a pork butt,
    slow and covered most of the time.

    Crock pots also work, at least the very old ones. I don't know about
    newer units which are said to be set at higher temperatures.


    My Ninja Foodi doubles as a crockpot, but I don't think I'd
    want to dedicate my oven to this cut unless it was the dead
    of winter.� The recipe said for this cut of meat to cook it
    under pressure for 70 minutes.� It was done, had a great
    taste but was in the realm of shoe leather.� It will be cooked
    at double that time if I feel the need to do this again.

    --


    Maybe it shouldn't be pressure cooked? I never tried to use a pressure
    cooker except for canning. I have 2 very large ones, but have only been
    used to pressure can.

    From a hundred years ago, I do remember my mother ruining many things
    she tried to pressure cook. Back then, it was supposed to be the new,
    fast space age method. I still remember her pressure cooked beef liver.

    She eventually realized that her small pressure cooker wasn't always the
    best choice, but it took a while, as she was very hard headed.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 19:46:12 2025
    On 3/17/2025 7:20 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:17:21 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    S Viemeister wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 9:17 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 3/17/2025 3:08 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois.  It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork.  Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker.  Following
    the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough!  I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    I've found the best way to get corned beef brisket tender is low and
    slow in the crock pot.

    Yes - that's what I do, too.


    A regular oven works just fine as well, but you can't turn it up to 400
    degrees and cook it in 30 minutes. Cook it as you would a pork butt,
    slow and covered most of the time.

    Crock pots also work, at least the very old ones. I don't know about
    newer units which are said to be set at higher temperatures.

    My crock pot isn't set to higher temperatures. You can't speculate
    about all crock pots.

    My Ninja Foodi doubles as a crockpot, but I don't think I'd
    want to dedicate my oven to this cut unless it was the dead
    of winter.  The recipe said for this cut of meat to cook it
    under pressure for 70 minutes.  It was done, had a great
    taste but was in the realm of shoe leather.  It will be cooked
    at double that time if I feel the need to do this again.

    I've never tried to use a pressure cooker to quickly cook a tough cut
    like corned brisket. (I've never roasted one in the oven, either.) I
    don't see how trying to cook it faster will make it better. Low and
    slow is the rule of thumb. Simmer, just a little water (not covered
    with water as if you're going to boil it on the top of the stove) with
    the spice packet and I add a couple of extra bay leaves. I've never had
    a corned beef brisket turn out tough like shoe leather.

    Jill

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Mon Mar 17 19:20:44 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 7:20 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:17:21 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    S Viemeister wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 9:17 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 3/17/2025 3:08 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois.  It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork.  Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker.  Following >>>>>> the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough!  I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    I've found the best way to get corned beef brisket tender is low and >>>>> slow in the crock pot.

    Yes - that's what I do, too.


    A regular oven works just fine as well, but you can't turn it up to 400
    degrees and cook it in 30 minutes. Cook it as you would a pork butt,
    slow and covered most of the time.

    Crock pots also work, at least the very old ones. I don't know about
    newer units which are said to be set at higher temperatures.

    My crock pot isn't set to higher temperatures.� You can't speculate
    about all crock pots.

    My Ninja Foodi doubles as a crockpot, but I don't think I'd
    want to dedicate my oven to this cut unless it was the dead
    of winter.  The recipe said for this cut of meat to cook it
    under pressure for 70 minutes.  It was done, had a great
    taste but was in the realm of shoe leather.  It will be cooked
    at double that time if I feel the need to do this again.

    I've never tried to use a pressure cooker to quickly cook a tough cut
    like corned brisket.� (I've never roasted one in the oven, either.)� I
    don't see how trying to cook it faster will make it better.� Low and
    slow is the rule of thumb.� Simmer, just a little water (not covered
    with water as if you're going to boil it on the top of the stove) with
    the spice packet and I add a couple of extra bay leaves.� I've never had
    a corned beef brisket turn out tough like shoe leather.

    Jill

    Your majesty's wisdom is so vast, more like that of one much older than yourself.

    I'm sure your hishness' crock pot is absolutely perfect too. The finest
    in the known universe.

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Tue Mar 18 00:29:20 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 0:20:44 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 7:20 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:17:21 +0000, Hank Rogers wrote:

    S Viemeister wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 9:17 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 3/17/2025 3:08 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois.  It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork.  Then it was probably >>>>>>> another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker.  Following >>>>>>> the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough!  I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if >>>>>>> I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    I've found the best way to get corned beef brisket tender is low and >>>>>> slow in the crock pot.

    Yes - that's what I do, too.


    A regular oven works just fine as well, but you can't turn it up to 400 >>>> degrees and cook it in 30 minutes. Cook it as you would a pork butt,
    slow and covered most of the time.

    Crock pots also work, at least the very old ones. I don't know about
    newer units which are said to be set at higher temperatures.

    My crock pot isn't set to higher temperatures.  You can't speculate
    about all crock pots.

    My Ninja Foodi doubles as a crockpot, but I don't think I'd
    want to dedicate my oven to this cut unless it was the dead
    of winter.  The recipe said for this cut of meat to cook it
    under pressure for 70 minutes.  It was done, had a great
    taste but was in the realm of shoe leather.  It will be cooked
    at double that time if I feel the need to do this again.

    I've never tried to use a pressure cooker to quickly cook a tough cut
    like corned brisket.  (I've never roasted one in the oven, either.)  I
    don't see how trying to cook it faster will make it better.  Low and
    slow is the rule of thumb.  Simmer, just a little water (not covered
    with water as if you're going to boil it on the top of the stove) with
    the spice packet and I add a couple of extra bay leaves.  I've never had
    a corned beef brisket turn out tough like shoe leather.

    Jill

    Your majesty's wisdom is so vast, more like that of one much older than yourself.

    I'm sure your hishness' crock pot is absolutely perfect too. The finest
    in the known universe.


    Unlike poor Hunter, Widder Jill will always have a "Royale Protective
    Detail":

    NY POST:

    Trump strips Hunter and Ashley Biden of Secret Service protection
    ‘effective immediately’


    "President Trump revoked Hunter and Ashley Biden’s Secret Service
    security detail on Monday after the former first son, surrounded by more
    than a dozen agents, was spotted on an “ultra-luxurious” getaway in
    South Africa when he was due for a deposition in court...

    “Hunter Biden has had Secret Service protection for an extended period
    of time, all paid for by the United States Taxpayer,” Trump wrote on
    Truth Social. “There are as many as 18 people on this Detail, which is ridiculous!”...

    “He is currently vacationing in, of all places, South Africa, where the
    Human Rights of people has been strenuously questioned,” the president
    added. “Because of this, South Africa has been taken off our list of Countries receiving Economic and Financial Assistance...


    “Please be advised that, effective immediately, Hunter Biden will no
    longer receive Secret Service protection,” Trump announced..."

    😎

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    GM

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Mon Mar 17 21:34:07 2025
    On 2025-03-17 1:33 p.m., ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:
    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    No corned beef and cabbage here as I didn't even give it
    a thought when I shopped on Friday.  I did see cabbage on
    sale, but it still didn't inspire me to buy a head.  Here,
    it's going to be that Polish sausage I spoke of last week
    and a can of kraut.  After slicing and a light browning
    the sausage will go into the pot with kraut for a bit of
    simmering.  I haven't decided on mashed potatoes or garlic
    roasted new potatoes, but I'm leaning toward mashed spuds.
    Probably a small skillet of cornbread as well.



    We had chicken legs smeared with peri peri and baked, baked potato and
    grilled asparagus. We don't do the St.Patrick's Day thing. Despite my
    Irish roots I stayed sober.

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  • From Mike Duffy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 18 01:27:15 2025
    On 2025-03-18, gm wrote:

    “Because of this, South Africa has been taken off our list of
    Countries receiving Economic and Financial Assistance...

    It's ok, Greg. People from South Africa are now allowed to hock their
    junk on the white house lawn. It all balances out.

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Mar 18 02:20:19 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:08:49 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:15:42 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:04:38 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:17:14 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk >>>>> and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

    Alcohol is dsi1's kryptonite. When he sees someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! dsi1 runs home in total panic and
    shares a Dr Pepper with his wife.

    We don't talk about people in the third person, right?

    Alcohol is your kryptonite. When you see someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! You run home in total panic and
    share a Dr Pepper with your wife.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    That's just a silly little notion of yours that I don't mind you
    believing in. Hopefully, you'll be going over it again and again. I
    enjoy it when silly people spend their time repeating things. It means
    that they're spending their precious time on little ole me. I aim to
    steal as much time as I can get from silly people.

    I'm making a batch of granola. I think that it could be pretty epic.
    It's so dang simple and, as an added bonus, it uses up a ton of oats.
    I'll be a granola master once I make it about 2 more times.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/mSqW97Jj5mRG4ACe8

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 17 23:25:53 2025
    On 2025-03-17 10:20 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

    That's just a silly little notion of yours that I don't mind you
    believing in. Hopefully, you'll be going over it again and again. I
    enjoy it when silly people spend their time repeating things. It means
    that they're spending their precious time on little ole me. I aim to
    steal as much time as I can get from silly people.

    I'm making a batch of granola. I think that it could be pretty epic.
    It's so dang simple and, as an added bonus, it uses up a ton of oats.
    I'll be a granola master once I make it about 2 more times.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/mSqW97Jj5mRG4ACe8

    That looks pretty good. I don't eat granola because I can only handle
    limited amounts of oatmeal and don't do nuts at all. My wife likes
    granola so long as there is no wheat in it. There are a couple brands
    that suit her taste that are available sporadically. I keep suggesting
    that we try making granola and she can add what ever she wants. We can
    go to the Bulk Barn and get various ingredients like chia, coconut,
    almonds and such.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 18 15:48:06 2025
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:25:53 -0400, Dave Smith
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-03-17 10:20 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

    That's just a silly little notion of yours that I don't mind you
    believing in. Hopefully, you'll be going over it again and again. I
    enjoy it when silly people spend their time repeating things. It means
    that they're spending their precious time on little ole me. I aim to
    steal as much time as I can get from silly people.

    I'm making a batch of granola. I think that it could be pretty epic.
    It's so dang simple and, as an added bonus, it uses up a ton of oats.
    I'll be a granola master once I make it about 2 more times.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/mSqW97Jj5mRG4ACe8

    That looks pretty good. I don't eat granola because I can only handle
    limited amounts of oatmeal and don't do nuts at all.

    Of course, Dave, keep us posted.

    --
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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 18 16:09:05 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:46:34 +1100, Bruce <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 02:20:19 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:08:49 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:15:42 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:04:38 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:17:14 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk >>>>>>> and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

    Alcohol is dsi1's kryptonite. When he sees someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! dsi1 runs home in total panic and >>>>> shares a Dr Pepper with his wife.

    We don't talk about people in the third person, right?

    Alcohol is your kryptonite. When you see someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! You run home in total panic and
    share a Dr Pepper with your wife.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    That's just a silly little notion of yours that I don't mind you
    believing in. Hopefully, you'll be going over it again and again. I
    enjoy it when silly people spend their time repeating things. It means
    that they're spending their precious time on little ole me. I aim to
    steal as much time as I can get from silly people.

    Aren't you proud that people spend time on little old you? Imagine if
    nobody did!

    I'm making a batch of granola. I think that it could be pretty epic.
    It's so dang simple and, as an added bonus, it uses up a ton of oats.
    I'll be a granola master once I make it about 2 more times.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/mSqW97Jj5mRG4ACe8

    So granola is muesli?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 18 15:46:34 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 02:20:19 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:08:49 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:15:42 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:04:38 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:17:14 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk >>>>>> and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

    Alcohol is dsi1's kryptonite. When he sees someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! dsi1 runs home in total panic and >>>> shares a Dr Pepper with his wife.

    We don't talk about people in the third person, right?

    Alcohol is your kryptonite. When you see someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! You run home in total panic and
    share a Dr Pepper with your wife.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    That's just a silly little notion of yours that I don't mind you
    believing in. Hopefully, you'll be going over it again and again. I
    enjoy it when silly people spend their time repeating things. It means
    that they're spending their precious time on little ole me. I aim to
    steal as much time as I can get from silly people.

    I'm making a batch of granola. I think that it could be pretty epic.
    It's so dang simple and, as an added bonus, it uses up a ton of oats.
    I'll be a granola master once I make it about 2 more times.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/mSqW97Jj5mRG4ACe8

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Mar 18 06:49:12 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 5:09:05 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:46:34 +1100, Bruce <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 02:20:19 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 23:08:49 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:15:42 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:04:38 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 20:17:14 +0000, [email protected]
    (ItsJoanNotJoAnn) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, dsi1 wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk >>>>>>>> and drink like an Irishman.


    I readily agree with that.

    Alcohol is dsi1's kryptonite. When he sees someone drink a glass of >>>>>> beer, they're getting roaring drunk! dsi1 runs home in total panic and >>>>>> shares a Dr Pepper with his wife.

    We don't talk about people in the third person, right?

    Alcohol is your kryptonite. When you see someone drink a glass of
    beer, they're getting roaring drunk! You run home in total panic and
    share a Dr Pepper with your wife.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    That's just a silly little notion of yours that I don't mind you >>>believing in. Hopefully, you'll be going over it again and again. I
    enjoy it when silly people spend their time repeating things. It means >>>that they're spending their precious time on little ole me. I aim to >>>steal as much time as I can get from silly people.

    Aren't you proud that people spend time on little old you? Imagine if
    nobody did!

    I'm making a batch of granola. I think that it could be pretty epic.
    It's so dang simple and, as an added bonus, it uses up a ton of oats. >>>I'll be a granola master once I make it about 2 more times.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/mSqW97Jj5mRG4ACe8

    So granola is muesli?

    Absolutely not. Muesli sucks - even the name is unpleasant sounding. It
    sounds like something slimy. "Muesli" - that's just so silly.

    My granola is 100% all natural, gluten-free, lactose free, with organic coconut, ancient grains, fruits & nuts combined into a hearty mix of
    chunky chunks, with a satisfying, crunch. There's no MSG, or added preservatives. My granola has nothing to do with a bowl of raw oats -
    ick.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/yvDFntiLmuUYXuZh6

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 18 18:37:17 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 06:49:12 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 5:09:05 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:46:34 +1100, Bruce <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 02:20:19 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    I'm making a batch of granola. I think that it could be pretty epic. >>>>It's so dang simple and, as an added bonus, it uses up a ton of oats. >>>>I'll be a granola master once I make it about 2 more times.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/mSqW97Jj5mRG4ACe8

    So granola is muesli?

    Absolutely not. Muesli sucks - even the name is unpleasant sounding. It >sounds like something slimy. "Muesli" - that's just so silly.

    My granola is 100% all natural, gluten-free, lactose free, with organic >coconut, ancient grains, fruits & nuts combined into a hearty mix of
    chunky chunks, with a satisfying, crunch. There's no MSG, or added >preservatives. My granola has nothing to do with a bowl of raw oats -
    ick.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/yvDFntiLmuUYXuZh6

    Oh, cruesli!

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Tue Mar 18 08:52:47 2025
    On 2025-03-17, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <[email protected]> wrote:

    My Ninja Foodi doubles as a crockpot, but I don't think I'd
    want to dedicate my oven to this cut unless it was the dead
    of winter.

    We had unseasonably warm weather yesterday. A high of 58 F
    rather than the more typical 47 F. Either way, if I wanted
    to use the oven for several hours, I'd just open a window
    and use the exhaust fan.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Mar 18 08:55:17 2025
    On 2025-03-18, Bruce <[email protected]d> wrote:

    So granola is muesli?

    No. Your artificial friend can tell you the difference.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Mar 18 20:21:57 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:55:17 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-03-18, Bruce <[email protected]d> wrote:

    So granola is muesli?

    No. Your artificial friend can tell you the difference.

    Ok.

    Granola vs muesli:
    Granola is crunchy and often sweeter, while muesli is raw, softer, and typically less sweet unless you add something yourself.

    Granola vs cruesli:
    Cruesli is a type of granola, just like how a specific brand of
    tissues is still a tissue!

    Or just like dsi1 is a specific brand of RFC'er.

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    Bruce
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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Tue Mar 18 14:42:37 2025
    On 2025-03-17, ItsJoanNotJoAnn <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 18:14:45 +0000, flood of sins wrote:

    since getting married in 1983 we have never not had corned beef
    and cabbage on St Patricks Day. first time was in 1984 and i
    didn't like it at the time. i had never had corned beef before.
    my parents never had it and the only cabbage they ever ate was
    coleslaw and sauerkraut. i think it was the boiled meat that i
    didn't like at first. the texture. in '85 i asked for it for St
    Pats day. after a dozen reminders i didn't like it the first
    time, we've been having it at least twice a year since.

    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois. It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork. Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker. Following
    the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough! I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    "heyjoe" pointed out down the thread corned beef is usually
    brisket. flat or round (point) brisket is very tough and it
    needs high temp to make it tender. at 190F start checking it for
    doneness. when it's done the probe of a thermometer or a dull
    steak knife will go in like a hot knife in butter. before it's
    done, they'd require some effort to push in. being a bbq guy,
    i've seen brisket done in the low 190s to 205ish. every piece
    is different.

    cooked right, it should practically fall apart. last night when i
    lifted the meat out of the dutch oven with a two tined meat
    fork, it broke in half. did not need a knife to cut it up or
    eat it and it couldn't have been more juicy.

    i have seen corned beef made from other cuts of meat also.
    bottom round comes to mind. maybe top round. perhaps keep an eye
    out for them, they're more forgiving to cook.


    Cabbage was frequently on the table, but somehow, I don't
    remember kraut being served.

    sauerkraut was a staple at my parents house. my grandfather used
    to make it so my dad ate it a lot. my dad didn't make it but it
    was on our plates regularly. my wife and i ate it a lot too until
    hypertension hit us both and we backed off due to the sodium.



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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Tue Mar 18 10:52:51 2025
    On 3/18/2025 10:42 AM, flood of sins wrote:


    "heyjoe" pointed out down the thread corned beef is usually
    brisket. flat or round (point) brisket is very tough and it
    needs high temp to make it tender. at 190F start checking it for
    doneness. when it's done the probe of a thermometer or a dull
    steak knife will go in like a hot knife in butter. before it's
    done, they'd require some effort to push in. being a bbq guy,
    i've seen brisket done in the low 190s to 205ish. every piece
    is different.

    To clarify, by high heat he does not mean a blazing grill. It has to be brought to a high temperature over moderate heat to break down the
    collagen and become tender.

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Tue Mar 18 15:11:56 2025
    On 2025-03-17, Hank Rogers <[email protected]d> wrote:
    S Viemeister wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 9:17 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 3/17/2025 3:08 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Corned beef was NEVER on the table when I was child and the
    first time I can remember eating it was on the gambling
    riverboat in Metropolis, Illinois.  It was delicious and
    tender enough to cut it with a fork.  Then it was probably
    another 20 years before I had it again and cooked it according
    to the directions of my Ninja Foodi pressure cooker.  Following
    the recommended cooking time, it had a good flavor, but brother
    was it tough!  I've not been inspired to cook it again, but if
    I ever get a hankering for it; I will definitely cook it for
    at least double the time called for.

    I've found the best way to get corned beef brisket tender is low and
    slow in the crock pot.

    Yes - that's what I do, too.

    A regular oven works just fine as well, but you can't turn it up to 400 degrees and cook it in 30 minutes. Cook it as you would a pork butt,
    slow and covered most of the time.

    Crock pots also work, at least the very old ones. I don't know about
    newer units which are said to be set at higher temperatures.

    dutch oven on the stovetop. cover with water, add pickling
    spices, cover, simmer so low it's barely bubbling. usually a
    couple to several hours. when tender add cabbage, carrots,
    potatoes and cook until veggies done.

    i know some people who put the brisket in a very hot oven for
    15-20 minutes to dry the surface up a bit after simmering. did
    it a few times but eventually i got used to the texture and
    don't anymore.

    the only other way we cook corned beef is low and slow on a
    smoker to make pastrami for reuben sandwiches.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Tue Mar 18 16:12:46 2025
    On 3/18/2025 11:11 AM, flood of sins wrote:


    Crock pots also work, at least the very old ones. I don't know about
    newer units which are said to be set at higher temperatures.

    dutch oven on the stovetop. cover with water, add pickling
    spices, cover, simmer so low it's barely bubbling. usually a
    couple to several hours. when tender add cabbage, carrots,
    potatoes and cook until veggies done.

    i know some people who put the brisket in a very hot oven for
    15-20 minutes to dry the surface up a bit after simmering. did
    it a few times but eventually i got used to the texture and
    don't anymore.

    the only other way we cook corned beef is low and slow on a
    smoker to make pastrami for reuben sandwiches.


    I've corned a brisket and then smoked it for pastrami. Forget the time
    at least a week to 10 days. It was good, but buying corned beef is a
    lot easier and faster.

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  • From gm@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 18 20:42:03 2025
    dsi1 wrote:

    We can thank St Patrick for driving out the snakes in Ireland. We don't
    have any snakes here either but one day, da Hawaiians might need the
    mana of St. Patrick. These days, da Hawaiians have got a bigger problem
    than snakes.


    Did the snake give Eve a vagina so's she could seduce Adam in The Garden
    of Eden...???

    ‘Vagina Museum’ Raises Money to Stay Open, for Now

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/vagina-museum-raises-money-to-stay-open-for-now/

    "The Vagina Museum — which is a real institution dedicated to the “the world’s most-misunderstood body part” and not a right-wing parody of feminism — launched a fundraiser for £60K (roughly $77,000 USD) because
    it was one month away from closing permanently. According to the museum,
    it was recently prompted to begin paying rent quarterly rather than
    monthly, and that posed financial difficulties...

    In response to the announcement, both conservatives and gender-critical feminists mocked the museum and suggested the looming closure was an
    example of “go woke, go broke.” Indeed, one need not visit the gynecology-themed exhibits in London to realize it is “woke.”...

    The Vagina Museum is so incredibly progressive that it doesn’t treat the vagina as an exclusively female organ, stating on its website that “We believe that defining women by anatomy, as so many patriarchal
    institutions have done before, would be trans-exclusionary.” In
    social-media posts about the fundraiser, the museum reaffirmed its
    commitment to gender absurdity: “We realise that being a trans
    inclusive, LGBT+ affirmative space in this world is not the most
    lucrative choice. We’re not going to drop that stance. We stand defiant
    of homophobia, transphobia and patriarchy, even in the face of a flood
    of abusive replies.”...

    Admittedly, I wouldn’t mind if the museum shuttered its doors. But the problem is that, contrary to celebratory proclamations by members of the gender-critical crowd, this isn’t an instance of “go woke, go broke.”...

    The museum reached its initial goal in just a single weekend and will
    remain open — at least for a bit. By now, the fundraiser has raised
    nearly $100,000 USD...

    Perhaps the museum’s sudden obtainment of financial life support should remind us that, although Trump’s electoral victory and executive orders suggest that gender ideology has been wounded in the cultural wars, the activists haven’t yet waved the white flag...

    We shouldn’t claim a victory yet, and the museum’s fundraiser should
    remind us that many battles remain in the fight to defeat this hazardous ideology..."

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Tue Mar 18 17:08:27 2025
    On 3/18/2025 10:42 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    "heyjoe" pointed out down the thread corned beef is usually
    brisket. flat or round (point) brisket is very tough and it
    needs high temp to make it tender.

    I disagree with that statement. Tough cuts like brisket need low, slow cooking. We're not talking marinating and cooking a flank steak on a
    grill. Even brisket (not corned) that is seasoned and smoked on a grill
    is cooked at low temperatures for hours.

    Jill

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Tue Mar 18 21:40:33 2025
    On 2025-03-18, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 10:42 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    "heyjoe" pointed out down the thread corned beef is usually
    brisket. flat or round (point) brisket is very tough and it
    needs high temp to make it tender.

    I disagree with that statement. Tough cuts like brisket need low, slow cooking. We're not talking marinating and cooking a flank steak on a
    grill. Even brisket (not corned) that is seasoned and smoked on a grill
    is cooked at low temperatures for hours.

    It needs to achieve a higher temperature than, say, ribeye steak.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 18 17:57:22 2025
    On 2025-03-18 4:12 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 11:11 AM, flood of sins wrote:


    Crock pots also work, at least the very old ones. I don't know about
    newer units which are said to be set at higher temperatures.

    dutch oven on the stovetop. cover with water, add pickling
    spices, cover, simmer so low it's barely bubbling. usually a
    couple to several hours. when tender add cabbage, carrots,
    potatoes and cook until veggies done.

    i know some people who put the brisket in a very hot oven for
    15-20 minutes to dry the surface up a bit after simmering. did
    it a few times but eventually i got used to the texture and
    don't anymore.

    the only other way we cook corned beef is low and slow on a
    smoker to make pastrami for reuben sandwiches.


    I've corned a brisket and then smoked it for pastrami. Forget the time
    at least a week to 10 days.  It was good, but buying corned beef is a
    lot easier and faster.

    If you ever get to Montreal you have to try their signature Montreal
    Smoked Meat. There are two particular delis that were especially noted
    for it. When my son was living in Montreal he used to bring some smoked
    meat and fresh Montreal bagels. What a treat.

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Tue Mar 18 17:59:51 2025
    On 2025-03-18 5:08 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 10:42 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    "heyjoe" pointed out down the thread corned beef is usually
    brisket. flat or round (point) brisket is very tough and it
    needs high temp to make it tender.

    I disagree with that statement.  Tough cuts like brisket need low, slow cooking.  We're not talking marinating and cooking a flank steak on a grill.  Even brisket (not corned) that is seasoned and smoked on a grill
    is cooked at low temperatures for hours.

    Indeed. Those tough cuts need to be cooked very slowly to break down the
    tough fibre. When cooking stew is important not to let it boil. Boiling
    with toughen the meat and make it bland and a slow cooked stew with be
    tasty and tender.

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Tue Mar 18 21:39:32 2025
    On 2025-03-18, flood of sins <[email protected]> wrote:

    i have seen corned beef made from other cuts of meat also.
    bottom round comes to mind. maybe top round. perhaps keep an eye
    out for them, they're more forgiving to cook.

    I keep an eye out because corned round is terrible. Brisket
    or nuthin'.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Cindy Hamilton on Tue Mar 18 18:30:12 2025
    On 3/18/2025 5:40 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-18, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 10:42 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    "heyjoe" pointed out down the thread corned beef is usually
    brisket. flat or round (point) brisket is very tough and it
    needs high temp to make it tender.

    I disagree with that statement. Tough cuts like brisket need low, slow
    cooking. We're not talking marinating and cooking a flank steak on a
    grill. Even brisket (not corned) that is seasoned and smoked on a grill
    is cooked at low temperatures for hours.

    It needs to achieve a higher temperature than, say, ribeye steak.

    Achieve, yes, but not cook it at high temp.

    Jill

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Mar 18 18:54:26 2025
    On 3/18/2025 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:


    If you ever get to Montreal you have to try their signature Montreal
    Smoked Meat. There are two particular delis that were especially noted
    for it.  When my son was living in Montreal he used to bring some smoked meat and fresh Montreal bagels. What a treat.


    It has been years since I've been to Montreal and back then I knew
    nothing of such things. If I ever get there again, it would be one of
    the main attractions. I've heard many good things about it.

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  • From Jill McQuown@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Tue Mar 18 18:40:40 2025
    On 3/18/2025 5:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-03-18 5:08 p.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 10:42 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    "heyjoe" pointed out down the thread corned beef is usually
    brisket. flat or round (point) brisket is very tough and it
    needs high temp to make it tender.

    I disagree with that statement.  Tough cuts like brisket need low,
    slow cooking.  We're not talking marinating and cooking a flank steak
    on a grill.  Even brisket (not corned) that is seasoned and smoked on
    a grill is cooked at low temperatures for hours.

    Indeed. Those tough cuts need to be cooked very slowly to break down the tough fibre. When cooking stew is important not to let it boil.  Boiling with toughen the meat and make it bland and a slow cooked stew with be
    tasty and tender.


    There are some things (I mentioned flank steak) which are wonderful when marinated and cooked at a high temperature on a grill. Cooked only to
    medium rare, if that, then set to rest 10 minutes and sliced very thinly against the grain. Corned brisket is not that. I can't imagine it
    being more tender cooked at a high temperature. Fos did go on to say he
    cooked it in a dutch oven on the stovetop and was cooking by internal temperature and it was falling apart tender. That's as it should be.

    Jill

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Mar 18 19:08:07 2025
    On 2025-03-18 6:54 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:


    If you ever get to Montreal you have to try their signature Montreal
    Smoked Meat. There are two particular delis that were especially noted
    for it.  When my son was living in Montreal he used to bring some
    smoked meat and fresh Montreal bagels. What a treat.


    It has been years since I've been to Montreal and back then I knew
    nothing of such things.  If I ever get there again, it would be one of
    the main attractions.  I've heard many good things about it.


    It is a great tourist destination city because hotels and restaurants
    are very reasonably priced and the food was always great. If you are a
    bagel fan Montreal bagels are the best I have ever had. There are are a
    number of companies who have marketed stuff around here that they call
    Montreal smoked meat but it just wasn't the same.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Graham on Wed Mar 19 11:53:47 2025
    On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:45:06 -0600, Graham <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2025-03-17 2:05 p.m., Bruce wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:41:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman. Dyeing a river green and eating corned beef
    and cabbage is mostly secondary silliness.

    https://apnews.com/article/patrick-chicago-river-dye-green-irish-5a61721b445577b8f76a5e106c55ca5e

    It says that Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland in the
    fifth century. St Patrick's Day should be a day of mourning!

    But he was Welsh!!!

    Does that help?

    --
    Bruce
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  • From Graham@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Mar 18 18:45:06 2025
    On 2025-03-17 2:05 p.m., Bruce wrote:
    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:57:41 +0000, [email protected] (dsi1) wrote:

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:41:52 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    What's St Patrick's Day? Do we have to start drinking enormous
    quantities of beer and then go to confession?

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman. Dyeing a river green and eating corned beef
    and cabbage is mostly secondary silliness.

    https://apnews.com/article/patrick-chicago-river-dye-green-irish-5a61721b445577b8f76a5e106c55ca5e

    It says that Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland in the
    fifth century. St Patrick's Day should be a day of mourning!

    But he was Welsh!!!

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  • From Dave Smith@21:1/5 to Graham on Tue Mar 18 23:28:50 2025
    On 2025-03-18 8:45 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-03-17 2:05 p.m., Bruce wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman. Dyeing a river green and eating corned beef
    and cabbage is mostly secondary silliness.

    https://apnews.com/article/patrick-chicago-river-dye-green-irish-5a61721b445577b8f76a5e106c55ca5e

    It says that Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland in the
    fifth century. St Patrick's Day should be a day of mourning!

    But he was Welsh!!!

    Was he? I thought there were a number of places all over England and
    perhaps even Scotland where some claim he was born. While Christianity
    has had a checkered past,the Druids were a particularly nasty religious authority.

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  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Mar 19 00:05:16 2025
    On 3/18/2025 11:28 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    While Christianity
    has had a checkered past,the Druids were a particularly nasty religious authority.


    I think a couple of nuns I had in Catholic school may have been Druids.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Mar 19 16:05:45 2025
    On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 00:05:16 -0400, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 3/18/2025 11:28 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    While Christianity
    has had a checkered past,the Druids were a particularly nasty religious
    authority.

    I think a couple of nuns I had in Catholic school may have been Druids.

    I had a nun as a teacher for one year, when I was 11. She was a good
    and friendly teacher.

    --
    Bruce
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NvHwfF0/trumpputin.jpg>

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Wed Mar 19 08:46:01 2025
    On 2025-03-18, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 5:40 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-03-18, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 10:42 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    "heyjoe" pointed out down the thread corned beef is usually
    brisket. flat or round (point) brisket is very tough and it
    needs high temp to make it tender.

    I disagree with that statement. Tough cuts like brisket need low, slow
    cooking. We're not talking marinating and cooking a flank steak on a
    grill. Even brisket (not corned) that is seasoned and smoked on a grill >>> is cooked at low temperatures for hours.

    It needs to achieve a higher temperature than, say, ribeye steak.

    Achieve, yes, but not cook it at high temp.

    Which was somewhat clarified in his next paragraph.

    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From Cindy Hamilton@21:1/5 to Dave Smith on Wed Mar 19 09:01:05 2025
    On 2025-03-19, Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2025-03-18 8:45 p.m., Graham wrote:
    On 2025-03-17 2:05 p.m., Bruce wrote:

    Americans love any day that gives them an excuse to get roaring drunk
    and drink like an Irishman. Dyeing a river green and eating corned beef >>>> and cabbage is mostly secondary silliness.

    https://apnews.com/article/patrick-chicago-river-dye-green-irish-5a61721b445577b8f76a5e106c55ca5e

    It says that Saint Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland in the
    fifth century. St Patrick's Day should be a day of mourning!

    But he was Welsh!!!

    Was he? I thought there were a number of places all over England and
    perhaps even Scotland where some claim he was born. While Christianity
    has had a checkered past,the Druids were a particularly nasty religious authority.

    Only if you believe what might have been Roman propaganda. The
    actual evidence is subject to multiple interpretations.


    --
    Cindy Hamilton

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Wed Mar 19 11:29:12 2025
    On 2025-03-18, Jill McQuown <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 10:42 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    "heyjoe" pointed out down the thread corned beef is usually
    brisket. flat or round (point) brisket is very tough and it
    needs high temp to make it tender.

    I disagree with that statement. Tough cuts like brisket need low, slow cooking. We're not talking marinating and cooking a flank steak on a
    grill. Even brisket (not corned) that is seasoned and smoked on a grill
    is cooked at low temperatures for hours.

    i should have been more clear what i meant. but i did not say
    cook at a high temp. cooking at a high temp would be reverse
    searing a steak over direct heat on a blazing hot grill then
    finishing it with indirect heat.

    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to Ed P on Wed Mar 19 12:50:32 2025
    On 2025-03-18, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/18/2025 11:11 AM, flood of sins wrote:


    Crock pots also work, at least the very old ones. I don't know about
    newer units which are said to be set at higher temperatures.

    dutch oven on the stovetop. cover with water, add pickling
    spices, cover, simmer so low it's barely bubbling. usually a
    couple to several hours. when tender add cabbage, carrots,
    potatoes and cook until veggies done.

    i know some people who put the brisket in a very hot oven for
    15-20 minutes to dry the surface up a bit after simmering. did
    it a few times but eventually i got used to the texture and
    don't anymore.

    the only other way we cook corned beef is low and slow on a
    smoker to make pastrami for reuben sandwiches.


    I've corned a brisket and then smoked it for pastrami. Forget the time
    at least a week to 10 days. It was good, but buying corned beef is a
    lot easier and faster.

    making my own corned beef is on my bucket list. once i start i am
    going to want to experiment with brine seasoning recipes. sounds
    like a good retirement project. :)

    --
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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to flood of sins on Wed Mar 19 13:43:39 2025
    flood of sins wrote :

    making my own corned beef is on my bucket list. once i start i am
    going to want to experiment with brine seasoning recipes. sounds
    like a good retirement project. :)

    Don't limit yourself to brisket. Have had home cured corned beef
    made with chuck roast. It was as good as brisket.

    --
    Be careful when you follow the masses,
    sometimes the "m" is silent.

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  • From heyjoe@21:1/5 to Jill McQuown on Wed Mar 19 13:26:08 2025
    Jill McQuown wrote :

    On 3/18/2025 10:42 AM, flood of sins wrote:
    "heyjoe" pointed out down the thread corned beef is usually
    brisket. flat or round (point) brisket is very tough and it
    needs high temp to make it tender.

    I disagree with that statement. Tough cuts like brisket need low, slow cooking. We're not talking marinating and cooking a flank steak on a
    grill. Even brisket (not corned) that is seasoned and smoked on a grill
    is cooked at low temperatures for hours.

    Jill

    It was not my intention to talk about how to achieve a final
    temperature of 190F. There are several techniques that apply, but
    because corned beef is typically brisket, anything low and slow is
    the way to go.

    I've wrapped a corned beef tightly in aluminum foil and baked in a
    300F oven. Took out when my thermometer read 190F and placed in a
    cooler for an hour. Turned out well.

    Following fos advice, should have started checking for tenderness
    after reaching 190F. Because pressure cooking is time dependent,
    seems too easy to miss the desired final temperature of 190F-205F.
    And yet, my Dad always made "to die for" chuck roasts out of his
    pressure cooker. Have no idea how he did it!

    Will have a go at the slow cooker method this weekend. Looks like
    easy, simple way to cook corned beef and will make it easy to check
    temperature as the cook progresses.

    --
    Newsgroups die because every regular has stopped posting what he
    wants to read, forever waiting for others to start the discussion.
    A. H. Kerman

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  • From dsi1@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Wed Mar 19 19:04:39 2025
    On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:43:39 +0000, heyjoe wrote:

    flood of sins wrote :

    making my own corned beef is on my bucket list. once i start i am
    going to want to experiment with brine seasoning recipes. sounds
    like a good retirement project. :)

    Don't limit yourself to brisket. Have had home cured corned beef
    made with chuck roast. It was as good as brisket.

    My dad made wonderful smoke meat from chuck roast. He made it in a 55
    gallon drum. I should have been there taking notes but I wasn't
    interested at the time.

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  • From Carol@21:1/5 to ItsJoanNotJoAnn on Wed Mar 19 22:22:24 2025
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn wrote:

    Yes, it's a bit early to be asking but I thought I would
    post the question just the same as I had it on my mind.
    The traditional (north American tradition I might add)
    corned beef and cabbage at your house or something totally
    different?

    No corned beef and cabbage here as I didn't even give it
    a thought when I shopped on Friday. I did see cabbage on
    sale, but it still didn't inspire me to buy a head. Here,
    it's going to be that Polish sausage I spoke of last week
    and a can of kraut. After slicing and a light browning
    the sausage will go into the pot with kraut for a bit of
    simmering. I haven't decided on mashed potatoes or garlic
    roasted new potatoes, but I'm leaning toward mashed spuds.
    Probably a small skillet of cornbread as well.

    Ours was at the ER, Beach General, Sentara. Don's oxygen concentrator
    got reset too low. We figured it out when we got back and I checked it.

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  • From flood of sins@21:1/5 to heyjoe on Thu Mar 20 12:41:45 2025
    On 2025-03-19, heyjoe <[email protected]d> wrote:
    flood of sins wrote :

    making my own corned beef is on my bucket list. once i start i am
    going to want to experiment with brine seasoning recipes. sounds
    like a good retirement project. :)

    Don't limit yourself to brisket. Have had home cured corned beef
    made with chuck roast. It was as good as brisket.

    will keep that in mind. thanks.

    i expect it'll be like the difference between traditional (pork
    belly) and buckboard (pork shoulder) bacon which are equally
    delicious albeit with different textures. :)

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