Volume and dimensions are challenging for some some. Children are easily confounded by the concept of something short by thick holding more
liquid than something taller but skinnier.
I wonder of this is the rationale behind the tall skinny bottles they
use for ice wines. Those wines tend to be extremely expensive and, being
so sweet poured in small servings they are sold in half bottle sizes.
They use tall skinny bottles. The taller bottles distract people from
the fact that there is only half as much in them even though the label
tells them how much is in the bottle.
Shrinkflation also occurred during the last dramatic inflation cycle,
during the Carter administration. Those 14 ounce cans of vegetables used
to be 16 ounces. Bags of chips used to be fuller.
I've seen this nonsense before, and so have you. There used to be a joke that, in the future, one might light a cigar with a hundred-dollar bill. We're there, just like the joke foretold.
What value of coin would you bend down to pick up?
On 2/28/2025 10:57 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
What value of coin would you bend down to pick up?
If I have something to lean on, a $5 bill.
On 2025-02-27, Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
Volume and dimensions are challenging for some some. Children are easily
confounded by the concept of something short by thick holding more
liquid than something taller but skinnier.
I wonder of this is the rationale behind the tall skinny bottles they
use for ice wines. Those wines tend to be extremely expensive and, being
so sweet poured in small servings they are sold in half bottle sizes.
They use tall skinny bottles. The taller bottles distract people from
the fact that there is only half as much in them even though the label
tells them how much is in the bottle.
Shrinkflation also occurred during the last dramatic inflation cycle,
during the Carter administration. Those 14 ounce cans of vegetables used
to be 16 ounces. Bags of chips used to be fuller.
I've seen this nonsense before, and so have you. There used to be a joke that, in the future, one might light a cigar with a hundred-dollar bill. We're there, just like the joke foretold.
What value of coin would you bend down to pick up?
Probably none. I'd leave it for the next person. We could get
rid of all coins and I'd be just as happy.
On 2025-03-01, Leonard Blaisdell <[email protected]> wrote:
during the Carter administration. Those 14 ounce cans of vegetables used
to be 16 ounces. Bags of chips used to be fuller.
I've seen this nonsense before, and so have you. There used to be a joke
that, in the future, one might light a cigar with a hundred-dollar bill.
We're there, just like the joke foretold.
What value of coin would you bend down to pick up?
Probably none. I'd leave it for the next person. We could get
rid of all coins and I'd be just as happy.
We did away with pennies years ago. [...]
What a pain in the butt we must have been
Simultaneously, introduce $5 and $10 coins,
adding serial numbers to thwart Chinese 'play'
& 'funeral' money. Of course, this neccessitates
on-line real-time serailz verification at POS
terminals for any transactions. Almost all
small-business tax fraud and Trumpl-level
money-laundering would become magnitudinally
more difficult at the same time.
On 3/1/2025 11:38 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
Simultaneously, introduce $5 and $10 coins,
adding serial numbers to thwart Chinese 'play'
& 'funeral' money. Of course, this neccessitates
on-line real-time serailz verification at POS
terminals for any transactions. Almost all
small-business tax fraud and Trumpl-level
money-laundering would become magnitudinally
more difficult at the same time.
It is easy to keep $50 to $400 in bills in my pocket. If it was coins,
I'd have to have a suitcase with wheels to transport it.
Simultaneously, introduce $5 and $10 coins,
It is easy to keep $50 to $400 in bills in my pocket.
If it was coins, I'd have to have a suitcase
On 2025-03-01, Ed P wrote:
Simultaneously, introduce $5 and $10 coins,
It is easy to keep $50 to $400 in bills in my pocket.
If it was coins, I'd have to have a suitcase
Do the math, Ed. If you had $5 and $10 coins,
change from a $50 bill would be max $49.90
(assume dimes are the only coin smaller than $5),
i.e. 4*$10 + 1* $5 +9*$0.10 = 14 coins.
If we add $0.50 coins, max coins needed is 10.
On 3/1/2025 11:38 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
Simultaneously, introduce $5 and $10 coins,
adding serial numbers to thwart Chinese 'play'
& 'funeral' money. Of course, this neccessitates
on-line real-time serailz verification at POS
terminals for any transactions. Almost all
small-business tax fraud and Trumpl-level
money-laundering would become magnitudinally
more difficult at the same time.
It is easy to keep $50 to $400 in bills in my pocket. If it was coins,
I'd have to have a suitcase with wheels to transport it.
On 2025-03-01, Ed P wrote:
Simultaneously, introduce $5 and $10 coins,
It is easy to keep $50 to $400 in bills in my pocket.
If it was coins, I'd have to have a suitcase
Do the math, Ed. If you had $5 and $10 coins,
change from a $50 bill would be max $49.90
(assume dimes are the only coin smaller than $5),
i.e. 4*$10 + 1* $5 +9*$0.10 = 14 coins.
If we add $0.50 coins, max coins needed is 10.
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 14:52:18 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
We did away with pennies years ago. It's been a long since you could buy
anything with a penny. What a pain in the butt we must have been for
candy store owners as we decide which candies to buy, comparing the
quality and quantity, when some candies were a penny a piece while
others were 2, 3 or 4 for a penny.
I stopped carrying money years ago. I preferred to use a card, and now I don't even use a card. I use my phone instead. I have a couple of
twenties zipped in my secret pants pocket for those unforeseen sticky situations. After thousands of years, physical money's days are numbered
- finally!
On 2025-03-01 5:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 14:52:18 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
We did away with pennies years ago. It's been a long since you could buy >>> anything with a penny. What a pain in the butt we must have been for
candy store owners as we decide which candies to buy, comparing the
quality and quantity, when some candies were a penny a piece while
others were 2, 3 or 4 for a penny.
I stopped carrying money years ago. I preferred to use a card, and now I
don't even use a card. I use my phone instead. I have a couple of
twenties zipped in my secret pants pocket for those unforeseen sticky
situations. After thousands of years, physical money's days are numbered
- finally!
I haven't got to the phone stage yet but it is because of concerns about >phone security.I rarely use cash. I go to the bank about once every 2-3 >months and replenish my cash supply so I have about $250. I rarely get
down to $150. The rest is all debit, or credit card if it is online.
On 2025-03-01 5:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 14:52:18 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
We did away with pennies years ago. It's been a long since you could buy >>> anything with a penny. What a pain in the butt we must have been for
candy store owners as we decide which candies to buy, comparing the
quality and quantity, when some candies were a penny a piece while
others were 2, 3 or 4 for a penny.
I stopped carrying money years ago. I preferred to use a card, and now I
don't even use a card. I use my phone instead. I have a couple of
twenties zipped in my secret pants pocket for those unforeseen sticky
situations. After thousands of years, physical money's days are numbered
- finally!
I haven't got to the phone stage yet but it is because of concerns about phone security.I rarely use cash. I go to the bank about once every 2-3 months and replenish my cash supply so I have about $250. I rarely get
down to $150. The rest is all debit, or credit card if it is online.
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 14:52:18 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
We did away with pennies years ago. It's been a long since you could buy
anything with a penny. What a pain in the butt we must have been for
candy store owners as we decide which candies to buy, comparing the
quality and quantity, when some candies were a penny a piece while
others were 2, 3 or 4 for a penny.
I stopped carrying money years ago. I preferred to use a card, and now I don't even use a card. I use my phone instead. I have a couple of
twenties zipped in my secret pants pocket for those unforeseen sticky situations. After thousands of years, physical money's days are numbered
- finally!
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 2:43:37 +0000, Ed P wrote:
On 3/1/2025 5:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 14:52:18 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
We did away with pennies years ago. It's been a long since you could buy >>>> anything with a penny. What a pain in the butt we must have been for >>>> candy store owners as we decide which candies to buy, comparing the
quality and quantity, when some candies were a penny a piece while
others were 2, 3 or 4 for a penny.
I stopped carrying money years ago. I preferred to use a card, and now I >>> don't even use a card. I use my phone instead. I have a couple of
twenties zipped in my secret pants pocket for those unforeseen sticky
situations. After thousands of years, physical money's days are numbered >>> - finally!
There are places for both. I got gas today and paying at the pump with
a card is easy.
Some time back I had someone do a repair on the lawn sprinkler system.
When done, he said it was $75. I pulled out my money clip and started
counting and he said "$60 will do it".
Local fruit stand takes cash or card. Card is always what the register
totals. Cash is always rounded down. $21.25 is just a twenty dollar
bill.
Enjoy using your phone to pay.
Modern things take a while to reach Hicksville. It doesn't mean anything >except that this is a transitional period. It won't change how the
future will turn out.
On 3/1/2025 5:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 14:52:18 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
We did away with pennies years ago. It's been a long since you could buy >>> anything with a penny. What a pain in the butt we must have been for
candy store owners as we decide which candies to buy, comparing the
quality and quantity, when some candies were a penny a piece while
others were 2, 3 or 4 for a penny.
I stopped carrying money years ago. I preferred to use a card, and now I
don't even use a card. I use my phone instead. I have a couple of
twenties zipped in my secret pants pocket for those unforeseen sticky
situations. After thousands of years, physical money's days are numbered
- finally!
There are places for both. I got gas today and paying at the pump with
a card is easy.
Some time back I had someone do a repair on the lawn sprinkler system.
When done, he said it was $75. I pulled out my money clip and started counting and he said "$60 will do it".
Local fruit stand takes cash or card. Card is always what the register totals. Cash is always rounded down. $21.25 is just a twenty dollar
bill.
Enjoy using your phone to pay.
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 14:52:18 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
We did away with pennies years ago. It's been a long since you could buy anything with a penny. What a pain in the butt we must have been for
candy store owners as we decide which candies to buy, comparing the
quality and quantity, when some candies were a penny a piece while
others were 2, 3 or 4 for a penny.
I stopped carrying money years ago. I preferred to use a card, and now I don't even use a card. I use my phone instead. I have a couple of
twenties zipped in my secret pants pocket for those unforeseen sticky situations.
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 14:52:18 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
We did away with pennies years ago. It's been a long since you could buy
anything with a penny. What a pain in the butt we must have been for
candy store owners as we decide which candies to buy, comparing the
quality and quantity, when some candies were a penny a piece while
others were 2, 3 or 4 for a penny.
I stopped carrying money years ago. I preferred to use a card, and now I don't even use a card. I use my phone instead. I have a couple of
twenties zipped in my secret pants pocket for those unforeseen sticky situations. After thousands of years, physical money's days are numbered
- finally!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKlFITiYB28
The US brought back $1 coins some years ago. FAIL
Billions of them as sitting in government vaults.
There are places for both. I got gas today and paying at the pump with
a card is easy.
Some time back I had someone do a repair on the lawn sprinkler system.
When done, he said it was $75. I pulled out my money clip and started counting and he said "$60 will do it".
Local fruit stand takes cash or card. Card is always what the register totals. Cash is always rounded down. $21.25 is just a twenty dollar bill.
Enjoy using your phone to pay.
Ed P wrote:
...
The US brought back $1 coins some years ago. FAIL
Billions of them as sitting in government vaults.
a bit of an exaggeration...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Mint_coin_production
yes, they did make several billion dollar coins over the past twenty-something years but i doubt that many of them are still
being held at the banks or the mint.
Ed P wrote:
...
The US brought back $1 coins some years ago. FAIL
Billions of them as sitting in government vaults.
a bit of an exaggeration...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Mint_coin_production
yes, they did make several billion dollar coins over the past twenty-something years but i doubt that many of them are still
being held at the banks or the mint.
what i would actually like to see as a governmental policy
is the keeping of the value of the currency as stable as
possible and not have it inflated away all the time.
The United States Government Accountability Office has stated that discontinuing the dollar bill in favor of the dollar coin would save the
U.S. government about $5.5 billion over 30 years.[25]
We don't want to hear any more about [...]
your secret pants pocket.
On 2025-03-02 10:15 a.m., Ed P wrote:
The United States Government Accountability Office has stated that
discontinuing the dollar bill in favor of the dollar coin would save
the U.S. government about $5.5 billion over 30 years.[25]
That's curious. One of the reasons Canada switched to $1 and $2 coins
was to save money. They may be more expensive to mint than bills but
they last a lot longer so they do not have to be replaced.
On 3/2/2025 10:55 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
That works if you use them I've not seen a dollar coin used in manyThe United States Government Accountability Office has stated that
discontinuing the dollar bill in favor of the dollar coin would save
the U.S. government about $5.5 billion over 30 years.[25]
That's curious. One of the reasons Canada switched to $1 and $2 coins
was to save money. They may be more expensive to mint than bills but
they last a lot longer so they do not have to be replaced.
years and even then, it was rare. In 1979 the Susan B. Anthony dollar
was minted but they stopped in 1981 because of lack of use.
On 2025-03-02, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:
That works if you use them I've not seen a dollar coin used in many
years and even then, it was rare. In 1979 the Susan B. Anthony dollar
was minted but they stopped in 1981 because of lack of use.
If they stop printing $1 bills and have the banks start sending them
back for destruction, it won't be long before everybody has to use
coins. (All the while grumbing about the Number of the Beast, of
course.)
On 3/2/2025 10:55 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
On 2025-03-02 10:15 a.m., Ed P wrote:That works if you use them I've not seen a dollar coin used in many
The United States Government Accountability Office has stated that
discontinuing the dollar bill in favor of the dollar coin would save
the U.S. government about $5.5 billion over 30 years.[25]
That's curious. One of the reasons Canada switched to $1 and $2 coins
was to save money. They may be more expensive to mint than bills but
they last a lot longer so they do not have to be replaced.
years and even then, it was rare. In 1979 the Susan B. Anthony dollar
was minted but they stopped in 1981 because of lack of use.
i don't. cash, check or credit card. i've not yet used
a debit card but i have a few just in case. the debit card
will work out cheaper because the banks and credit union
have gotten rediculous about their costs of getting checks.
the debit card for the HSA acct was free, the checks would
have run me nearly $30 for just a few.
songbird
Ed P wrote:
...
The US brought back $1 coins some years ago. FAIL
Billions of them as sitting in government vaults.
a bit of an exaggeration...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Mint_coin_production
yes, they did make several billion dollar coins over the past twenty-something years but i doubt that many of them are still
being held at the banks or the mint.
what i would actually like to see as a governmental policy
is the keeping of the value of the currency as stable as
possible and not have it inflated away all the time. that
would mean the investment in printing and stamping all of that
would not be lost due to the mis-management of it. if this
policy was kept just a hair deflationary it would recover
also the value of the penny.
not that common sense of such things makes sense to an
idiot billionare and his chronies...
songbird
On 2025-03-02 12:52 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-03-02, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:
That works if you use them I've not seen a dollar coin used in many
years and even then, it was rare. In 1979 the Susan B. Anthony dollar
was minted but they stopped in 1981 because of lack of use.
If they stop printing $1 bills and have the banks start sending them
back for destruction, it won't be long before everybody has to use
coins. (All the while grumbing about the Number of the Beast, of
course.)
They won't grumble for long. Pretty soon they will forget all about it
and appreciate how easy it is to feed a parking meter or a vending
machine with a coin that works instead of one of those machines that
rejects 90% of the bills fed to it. It won't be long before they forget
all about the crinkled up dollar bills. I haven't heard anyone hear talk about how them miss the old $1 and $2 bills.
They won't grumble for long. Pretty soon they will forget all about it
and appreciate how easy it is to feed a parking meter or a vending
machine with a coin that works instead of one of those machines that
rejects 90% of the bills fed to it. It won't be long before they forget
all about the crinkled up dollar bills. I haven't heard anyone hear talk
about how them miss the old $1 and $2 bills.
So many parking meters and vending machines take credit/debit cards
nowadays, I don't think anybody will care.
In article <af6529def8b5251970e738c6400ef7c7
@www.novabbs.org>, [email protected] says...
On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 14:52:18 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
We did away with pennies years ago. It's been a long since you could buy >>> anything with a penny. What a pain in the butt we must have been for
candy store owners as we decide which candies to buy, comparing the
quality and quantity, when some candies were a penny a piece while
others were 2, 3 or 4 for a penny.
I stopped carrying money years ago. I preferred to use a card, and now I
don't even use a card. I use my phone instead. I have a couple of
twenties zipped in my secret pants pocket for those unforeseen sticky
situations.
We don't want to hear any more about sticky situations
involving your secret pants pocket.
Janet UK
Banks don't want you to use checks.
In article
<[email protected]>, dsi100
@yahoo.com says...
Banks don't want you to use checks.
Here in UK, banks had the same notion. Mine wrote to
inform me that (without consulting me) they had decided
to discontinue the provision and use of cheque services.
I wrote back to inform them that my understanding is,
the bank serves the customer. If they discontinued cheque
service; I would close all my accounts and move all my
business to a bank that provides the services I require.
Lots of other bank customers took the same view and
banks listened. We still have cheque services.
I very seldom use cheques. But when I do want that
option it should be there to serve my needs. My choice.
On 2025-03-02, Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-03-02 12:52 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-03-02, Ed P <[email protected]> wrote:
That works if you use them I've not seen a dollar coin used in many
years and even then, it was rare. In 1979 the Susan B. Anthony dollar >>>> was minted but they stopped in 1981 because of lack of use.
If they stop printing $1 bills and have the banks start sending them
back for destruction, it won't be long before everybody has to use
coins. (All the while grumbing about the Number of the Beast, of
course.)
They won't grumble for long. Pretty soon they will forget all about it
and appreciate how easy it is to feed a parking meter or a vending
machine with a coin that works instead of one of those machines that
rejects 90% of the bills fed to it. It won't be long before they forget
all about the crinkled up dollar bills. I haven't heard anyone hear talk
about how them miss the old $1 and $2 bills.
So many parking meters and vending machines take credit/debit cards
nowadays, I don't think anybody will care.
In article
<[email protected]>, dsi100
@yahoo.com says...
Banks don't want you to use checks.
Here in UK, banks had the same notion. Mine wrote to
inform me that (without consulting me) they had decided
to discontinue the provision and use of cheque services.
I wrote back to inform them that my understanding is,
the bank serves the customer. If they discontinued cheque
service; I would close all my accounts and move all my
business to a bank that provides the services I require.
Lots of other bank customers took the same view and
banks listened. We still have cheque services.
I very seldom use cheques. But when I do want that
option it should be there to serve my needs. My choice.
Janet UK
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