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  • Slip Roll Hinge

    From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 19 11:07:34 2022
    Many years ago I looked at an aluminum body motorcycle trailer. It was
    at a run or a show. I don't recall exactly. There was a top hinged
    door that used no bolt/weld/rivet on hinge. One of the panels of the
    trailer had a roll or tube rolled into one edge of the panel, and the
    door had a similar roll on one edge. Then they just slid together. I
    didn't care about the trailer one way or another. (I had/have a couple motorcycle trailers.) What I found interesting was the hinge mechanism.
    In the open position you could just slide the two pieces apart and set
    the door out of the way. In the closed position there was a latch that
    kept things from moving.

    Recently I have been working on a project where this sort of hinge might
    be very handy, so I started looking up slip roll videos. The first
    couple I've watched either spent more time with the operator commenting
    like a salesperson than showing the actual operation of the machine, or
    they showed basic ring roller type operation. Either making curves
    tubes or cones.

    Is that relatively tight 1(+/-) inch tube I recall not possible with a
    slip roll after all. I can visualize a simpler machine with just two
    rollers instead of three with one having a slot machined in it that
    could make these parts, but I don't see it being done with a
    conventional slip roll. Am I missing something or did I just stop
    watching shop videos to soon?


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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Tue Apr 19 11:39:29 2022
    On 4/19/2022 11:07 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    Many years ago I looked at an aluminum body motorcycle trailer.  It was
    at a run or a show.  I don't recall exactly.  There was a top hinged
    door that used no bolt/weld/rivet on hinge.  One of the panels of the trailer had a roll or tube rolled into one edge of the panel, and the
    door had a similar roll on one edge.  Then they just slid together.  I didn't care about the trailer one way or another.  (I had/have a couple motorcycle trailers.)  What I found interesting was the hinge mechanism.
     In the open position you could just slide the two pieces apart and set
    the door out of the way.  In the closed position there was a latch that
    kept things from moving.

    Recently I have been working on a project where this sort of hinge might
    be very handy, so I started looking up slip roll videos.  The first
    couple I've watched either spent more time with the operator commenting
    like a salesperson than showing the actual operation of the machine, or
    they showed basic ring roller type operation.  Either making curves
    tubes or cones.

    Is that relatively tight 1(+/-) inch tube I recall not possible with a
    slip roll after all.  I can visualize a simpler machine with just two rollers instead of three with one having a slot machined in it that
    could make these parts, but I don't see it being done with a
    conventional slip roll.  Am I missing something or did I just stop
    watching shop videos to soon?

    I did ask how they made that and they said it was just a slip roll like
    it was a nothing operation any fab shop should be able to do.

    I had meant to put that in the first post somehow it slipped by.


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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 19 17:04:58 2022
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:t3mvl2$17vc$[email protected]...

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    Do you mean like the bead-rolled rim of a bucket?

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Apr 19 15:18:35 2022
    On 4/19/2022 2:04 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:t3mvl2$17vc$[email protected]... -----------------

    Do you mean like the bead-rolled rim of a bucket?



    Sorta. From what I've been able to find these are usually made in
    production with dies and a press. Usually takes two press operations and
    two dies for a roll.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Apr 19 21:45:36 2022
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:t3ncfq$136l$[email protected]...

    On 4/19/2022 2:04 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:t3mvl2$17vc$[email protected]... -----------------

    Do you mean like the bead-rolled rim of a bucket?



    Sorta. From what I've been able to find these are usually made in
    production with dies and a press. Usually takes two press operations and
    two dies for a roll.

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    https://www.trick-tools.com/Mittler_Bros_1_8_inch_Wire_Bead_Roll_Set_201_125_WBS_754

    It's possible to form a half round bead by rolling the sheet metal plus a
    rod through the slip roll grooves, then clamp then in a bending brake (or between angle irons) with the narrow lip exposed enough to bend it further around the rod, until it can be tapped, squeezed and rolled fully round over the rod. My efforts weren't exactly pretty, and I made doubled-over hinge leaves instead of a wired edge. I turn the bench vise jaws around to the
    smooth sides for working sheet metal.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 19 22:41:26 2022
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:t3mtp7$b3b$[email protected]...

    Many years ago I looked at an aluminum body motorcycle trailer. It was
    at a run or a show. I don't recall exactly. There was a top hinged
    door that used no bolt/weld/rivet on hinge. One of the panels of the
    trailer had a roll or tube rolled into one edge of the panel, and the
    door had a similar roll on one edge. Then they just slid together. I
    didn't care about the trailer one way or another. (I had/have a couple motorcycle trailers.) What I found interesting was the hinge mechanism.
    In the open position you could just slide the two pieces apart and set
    the door out of the way. In the closed position there was a latch that
    kept things from moving.

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    I think I've seen it too. The metal edges are rolled into concentric P
    shapes, with round loops. The problem is clamping the edge to a shaft and either bending the sheet metal around the shaft or winding it up. If you
    don't mind holes the edge could be screwed to tapped holes in the shaft. The simple, tedious approach would be clamping them in a vise with the sheet upright and gradually hammering it against and around the shaft, using a
    block of wood to distribute the blows lengthwise and concentrate them near
    the shaft, where work-hardening makes the bent metal stiffer and less easily bent than the rest of the sheet.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Wed Apr 20 09:38:22 2022
    On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:18:35 -0700
    Bob La Londe <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 4/19/2022 2:04 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:t3mvl2$17vc$[email protected]...
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    Do you mean like the bead-rolled rim of a bucket?



    Sorta. From what I've been able to find these are usually made in >production with dies and a press. Usually takes two press operations and
    two dies for a roll.


    See this used on louvers and slats. Web page here with some info and
    cad files:

    https://www.johnsonrollforming.com/display.php/display/K/category/28

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    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 20 17:26:07 2022
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:t3p2cf$7to$[email protected]...

    See this used on louvers and slats. Web page here with some info and
    cad files:

    https://www.johnsonrollforming.com/display.php/display/K/category/28

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    The dies:
    https://www.ritewaybrakedies.com/hingeandbeadingdies

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Apr 20 15:56:53 2022
    On 4/20/2022 2:26 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Leon Fisk"  wrote in message news:t3p2cf$7to$[email protected]...
    See this used on louvers and slats. Web page here with some info and
    cad files:

    https://www.johnsonrollforming.com/display.php/display/K/category/28

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    The dies:
    https://www.ritewaybrakedies.com/hingeandbeadingdies

    There is a nice animation video of using this type of die on YouTube.
    I'll post the link if I run across it again.

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