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    From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 12:26:54 2023
    - after learning that the crawling in rust and sweating over stuck bolts
    that I'm doing under the old car is worth $160 an hour.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Sep 22 13:59:07 2023
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 12:26:54 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> wrote:

    - after learning that the crawling in rust and sweating over stuck bolts >that I'm doing under the old car is worth $160 an hour.

    From what I know of your work ethic/principals... it's worth far more
    than that. I've done some of my own "rust" repair and it is nearly
    impossible to get it done to my standards having someone else do it...

    I wish they would stop "seasoning" the winter roads around here
    making it inevitable...

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    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Sep 22 15:41:46 2023
    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 15:25:05 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> wrote:

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    In my youth a buddy and I would go out on the icy back roads before they were >treated to play, sometimes on dirt bikes. We had the tires and acquired the >skills for some degree of control on glare ice but very few others did and >sometimes the roads and especially hills would become obstacle courses of >stuck cars. I grudgingly understand why they are treated to protect the >least skilled and equipped of us. Not treating the roads would shift the >damage from rust to collisions with inept drivers. Apparently they don't >even learn not to brake while cornering in the rain. We have single car >accidents on straight dry level roads, my street included. I counted 8 sets >of tire tracks into the woods or median along ~30 miles of Interstate-grade >4 lane divided highway. The old 2-lane road had been known as a highway of >death with arrays of crosses at each intersection despite excellent >visibility in all directions.

    I understand what you're saying but... how long can we keep raising the salinity of our Great Lakes and poisoning our land for growing crops?

    People crab about how bad our roads and bridges are but putting salt on
    them decreases their lifespan significantly. When you factor in the
    damage done to our vehicles, roads, water supply, agriculture... it is
    an unsustainable venture that needs to be stopped. The sooner the
    better😑

    PS - I used to play on icy roads with sleds, mini/motor bikes, bicycles, tractors, cars... anything and everything that shouldn't be done too😉

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    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Sep 22 15:25:05 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:uekklc$bm9p$[email protected]...

    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 12:26:54 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> wrote:

    - after learning that the crawling in rust and sweating over stuck bolts
    that I'm doing under the old car is worth $160 an hour.

    From what I know of your work ethic/principals... it's worth far more
    than that. I've done some of my own "rust" repair and it is nearly
    impossible to get it done to my standards having someone else do it...

    I wish they would stop "seasoning" the winter roads around here
    making it inevitable...

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

    ----------------------------------

    In my yout a buddy and I would go out on the icy back roads before they were treated to play, sometimes on dirt bikes. We had the tires and acquired the skills for some degree of control on glare ice but very few others did and sometimes the roads and especially hills would become obstacle courses of
    stuck cars. I grudgingly understand why they are treated to protect the
    least skilled and equipped of us. Not treating the roads would shift the
    damage from rust to collisions with inept drivers. Apparently they don't
    even learn not to brake while cornering in the rain. We have single car accidents on straight dry level roads, my street included. I counted 8 sets
    of tire tracks into the woods or median along ~30 miles of Interstate-grade
    4 lane divided highway. The old 2-lane road had been known as a highway of death with arrays of crosses at each intersection despite excellent
    visibility in all directions.

    When small rust holes poked through the rear fenders I asked the dealer's
    body shop what the repair cost would be, hoping to lead the conversation to scrapped fenders I could cut properly formed fender-shaped patches from.
    They wanted $3000 per side to fix quarter-sized holes by replacing the
    entire panel, and claimed not to keep used ones. A small local shop quoted $800, before painting. My welds are visible if you know where to look
    closely.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 18:00:24 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:uekqlq$bm9p$[email protected]...

    People crab about how bad our roads and bridges are but putting salt on
    them decreases their lifespan significantly. When you factor in the
    damage done to our vehicles, roads, water supply, agriculture... it is
    an unsustainable venture that needs to be stopped. The sooner the
    better😑

    ----------------------------

    I spray LPS-3 rust inhibitor under vehicles once or twice a year and it's proven pretty effective on areas the spray could reach, especially relative
    to those it didn't like the alternator pivot bolt. Most of the rust on my 23 year old Honda has been on inaccessible areas like inside fenders and under shields. Much of the underbody and many suspension parts still wear the original paint. Today I removes 6 very exposed M10 bolts that attached rear frame brace pipes with no problem (except due to crawling under a car at my age), and some of the threads were clean. The frame braces had rotted from within from salt water that entered small drainage holes, $117 to replace
    them. Even the small screws that attached wheel brake lines and the ABS
    sensor wire shields came out easily and showed some original yellow chromate
    on the threads. It doesn't help the calipers and related parts though, apparently because they get hot enough to evaporate the waxy coating it
    leaves. It also prolongs the life of galvanized roofing, but doesn't seem to benefit outdoor aluminum.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 17:21:34 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:uekqlq$bm9p$[email protected]...

    On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 15:25:05 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> wrote:

    I understand what you're saying but... how long can we keep raising the salinity of our Great Lakes and poisoning our land for growing crops?

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    https://greenicemelt.com/products/sodium-acetate-naac-deicer-40-bags-50lb

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