On Mon Jul 28 15:48:22 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 7/28/2025 2:44 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Wed Jul 16 18:01:11 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:

"In May, the Detroit automaker said it would ditch plans to make
electric motors at its Towanda Production plant in Buffalo, New York,
and instead spend $888 million to make V-8 engines."

China's the one that's completely dominating in the electric vehicle
market. They shipped some 10x more EVs than the US purchased in total
last year (and we didn't buy any of their EVs). We're never catching up >> to them, if it's any consolation.

Too bad the electric bicycle manufacturers don't do the same.

Are there even any US ebike manufacturers with over 1% market share? The >> global demand for ebikes is off the charts, so I think we're going to
see nothing but ramping up.

I'm a little confused at what you're trying to say. Worldwide sales of e-bikes is huge and 1% would be a gigantic amount of money. Americanmanufacturers like Trek and Specialized are certainly major players in the upper end e-bikes. Is there some

reason you believe they should try harder for a larger market share than they presently have?

???
I thought the discussion was about USA product, not Trek/
Specialized.

Trek and Specialized will be forced to return their manufacturing to the US because of tariffs on Chinese products. Do you doubt that? For awhile China will absort the additional costs but that can't last long because they are making a very large
percentage of money selling weapons of war and India just wiped out Pakistan without a single loss showing that the best Chinese fighters aren't even a match for 3rd generation American fighters. Odd thing is that China has been claiming that their
weapons were much better than those of India and have even resorted to dubbing in pictures of "shot dowen" Indian fighters. They were so effetive that Chinz war industry stocks actually rose.

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On 7/28/2025 4:03 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Mon Jul 28 15:48:22 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 7/28/2025 2:44 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Wed Jul 16 18:01:11 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:

"In May, the Detroit automaker said it would ditch plans to make
electric motors at its Towanda Production plant in Buffalo, New York, >>>>> and instead spend $888 million to make V-8 engines."

China's the one that's completely dominating in the electric vehicle
market. They shipped some 10x more EVs than the US purchased in total
last year (and we didn't buy any of their EVs). We're never catching up >>>> to them, if it's any consolation.

Too bad the electric bicycle manufacturers don't do the same.

Are there even any US ebike manufacturers with over 1% market share? The >>>> global demand for ebikes is off the charts, so I think we're going to
see nothing but ramping up.

I'm a little confused at what you're trying to say. Worldwide sales of e-bikes is huge and 1% would be a gigantic amount of money. Americanmanufacturers like Trek and Specialized are certainly major players in the upper end e-bikes. Is there some

reason you believe they should try harder for a larger market share than they presently have?

???
I thought the discussion was about USA product, not Trek/
Specialized.

Trek and Specialized will be forced to return their manufacturing to the US because of tariffs on Chinese products. Do you doubt that? For awhile China will absort the additional costs but that can't last long because they are making a very large

percentage of money selling weapons of war and India just wiped out Pakistan without a single loss showing that the best Chinese fighters aren't even a match for 3rd generation American fighters. Odd thing is that China has been claiming that their
weapons were much better than those of India and have even resorted to dubbing in pictures of "shot dowen" Indian fighters. They were so effetive that Chinz war industry stocks actually rose.


I do very much doubt it. Happy to bet on that.

Their future offerings will be extremely high in Asian
components, most probably assembled in china or, if not,
nearby countries (Cambodia and Viet Nam do excellent
assembly work now).

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On Mon Jul 28 16:15:36 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:03 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Mon Jul 28 15:48:22 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 7/28/2025 2:44 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Wed Jul 16 18:01:11 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:

"In May, the Detroit automaker said it would ditch plans to make
electric motors at its Towanda Production plant in Buffalo, New York, >>>>> and instead spend $888 million to make V-8 engines."

China's the one that's completely dominating in the electric vehicle >>>> market. They shipped some 10x more EVs than the US purchased in total >>>> last year (and we didn't buy any of their EVs). We're never catching up >>>> to them, if it's any consolation.

Too bad the electric bicycle manufacturers don't do the same.

Are there even any US ebike manufacturers with over 1% market share? The >>>> global demand for ebikes is off the charts, so I think we're going to >>>> see nothing but ramping up.

I'm a little confused at what you're trying to say. Worldwide sales of e-bikes is huge and 1% would be a gigantic amount of money. Americanmanufacturers like Trek and Specialized are certainly major players in the upper end e-bikes. Is there some

reason you believe they should try harder for a larger market share than they presently have?

???
I thought the discussion was about USA product, not Trek/
Specialized.

Trek and Specialized will be forced to return their manufacturing to the US because of tariffs on Chinese products. Do you doubt that? For awhile China will absort the additional costs but that can't last long because they are making a very large

percentage of money selling weapons of war and India just wiped out Pakistan without a single loss showing that the best Chinese fighters aren't even a match for 3rd generation American fighters. Odd thing is that China has been claiming that their
weapons were much better than those of India and have even resorted to dubbing in pictures of "shot dowen" Indian fighters. They were so effetive that Chinz war industry stocks actually rose.

I do very much doubt it. Happy to bet on that.

Their future offerings will be extremely high in Asian
components, most probably assembled in china or, if not,
nearby countries (Cambodia and Viet Nam do excellent
assembly work now).

Specialized started in Morgan Hill, CA and will return there. Buying Asian components is NOT manufacturing bikes in the US. Until fairly recently, (Lance Armstrong Era) Trek were made here.

I have the idea that Di2 is leaving an opening for high end component and group manufacturers. SRAM is presently a leader there but there's plenty of room.

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On 7/28/2025 4:23 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Mon Jul 28 16:15:36 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 7/28/2025 4:03 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Mon Jul 28 15:48:22 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 7/28/2025 2:44 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Wed Jul 16 18:01:11 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:

"In May, the Detroit automaker said it would ditch plans to make >>>>>>> electric motors at its Towanda Production plant in Buffalo, New York, >>>>>>> and instead spend $888 million to make V-8 engines."

China's the one that's completely dominating in the electric vehicle >>>>>> market. They shipped some 10x more EVs than the US purchased in total >>>>>> last year (and we didn't buy any of their EVs). We're never catching up >>>>>> to them, if it's any consolation.

Too bad the electric bicycle manufacturers don't do the same.

Are there even any US ebike manufacturers with over 1% market share? The >>>>>> global demand for ebikes is off the charts, so I think we're going to >>>>>> see nothing but ramping up.

I'm a little confused at what you're trying to say. Worldwide sales of e-bikes is huge and 1% would be a gigantic amount of money. Americanmanufacturers like Trek and Specialized are certainly major players in the upper end e-bikes. Is there some

reason you believe they should try harder for a larger market share than they presently have?

???
I thought the discussion was about USA product, not Trek/
Specialized.

Trek and Specialized will be forced to return their manufacturing to the US because of tariffs on Chinese products. Do you doubt that? For awhile China will absort the additional costs but that can't last long because they are making a very large

percentage of money selling weapons of war and India just wiped out Pakistan without a single loss showing that the best Chinese fighters aren't even a match for 3rd generation American fighters. Odd thing is that China has been claiming that their
weapons were much better than those of India and have even resorted to dubbing in pictures of "shot dowen" Indian fighters. They were so effetive that Chinz war industry stocks actually rose.

I do very much doubt it. Happy to bet on that.

Their future offerings will be extremely high in Asian
components, most probably assembled in china or, if not,
nearby countries (Cambodia and Viet Nam do excellent
assembly work now).

Specialized started in Morgan Hill, CA and will return there. Buying Asian components is NOT manufacturing bikes in the US. Until fairly recently, (Lance Armstrong Era) Trek were made here.

I have the idea that Di2 is leaving an opening for high end component and group manufacturers. SRAM is presently a leader there but there's plenty of room.

Shimano product is from Japan, red china, Indonesia,
Malaysia and more. Campagnolo is mostly from Romania with
some ROC Taiwan and a small amount of Italy. SRAM is ROC
Taiwan and red china. There are several competitive
component brands from red china but not USA or EU.

Plus all the other bits; tires & tubes, rims, bars, stems,
posts and so on. Oh, and nothing is actually made in Morgan
Hill CA. Their first bikes were made in Japan.

--
Andrew Muzi
[email protected]
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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