"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling
day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route
will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed.
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to
be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the
route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned."
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling
day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route. >>
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route
will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km >> Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed.
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to
be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the
route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned."
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports!
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling >>> day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route. >>>
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route >>> will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km >>> Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed.
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to
be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the
route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned."
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how >> much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports!
Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling >>>> day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route. >>>>
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route >>>> will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km >>>> Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed.
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to >>>> be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the
route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned."
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how >>> much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports!
Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
I suspect it’s more expensive and worrying depending on the level of government support, in my experience hill farming isn’t a particularly lucrative, nor has it ever been so.
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling >>>>> day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route >>>>> will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km
Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed.
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to >>>>> be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the
route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned."
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how >>>> much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports!
Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
I suspect it’s more expensive and worrying depending on the level of
government support, in my experience hill farming isn’t a particularly
lucrative, nor has it ever been so.
Not sure I take your point. Imagine spending a good part of your life
trying to build something up, in this case, a herd of cows. Doing
whatever you can to nurture, protect, and improve them. Sure, they're
made of beef, and one would have to be quite sentimental to let one get
old, but they live and breathe and grow on a person.
Then, for reasons (perhaps good, I don't know), you have to kill them
all and dump them in a pit. I think that might just put me in a bad
mood, government support or no.
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling >>>>> day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route >>>>> will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km
Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed.
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to >>>>> be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the
route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned."
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how >>>> much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports!
Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
I suspect it’s more expensive and worrying depending on the level of
government support, in my experience hill farming isn’t a particularly
lucrative, nor has it ever been so.
Not sure I take your point. Imagine spending a good part of your life
trying to build something up, in this case, a herd of cows. Doing
whatever you can to nurture, protect, and improve them. Sure, they're
made of beef, and one would have to be quite sentimental to let one get
old, but they live and breathe and grow on a person.
Then, for reasons (perhaps good, I don't know), you have to kill them
all and dump them in a pit. I think that might just put me in a bad
mood, government support or no.
On 7/25/2025 7:45 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an
enthralling
day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage
19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the >>>>>> route
will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the >>>>>> 11.3km
Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed. >>>>>>
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has
needed to
be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the >>>>>> route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned." >>>>>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-
today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending
on how
much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports! >>>>
I suspect it’s more expensive and worrying depending on the level of
government support, in my experience hill farming isn’t a particularly >>> lucrative, nor has it ever been so.
Not sure I take your point. Imagine spending a good part of your life
trying to build something up, in this case, a herd of cows. Doing
whatever you can to nurture, protect, and improve them. Sure, they're
made of beef, and one would have to be quite sentimental to let one get
old, but they live and breathe and grow on a person.
Then, for reasons (perhaps good, I don't know), you have to kill them
all and dump them in a pit. I think that might just put me in a bad
mood, government support or no.
+1
Long history of that, from the swine flu culls of the 1920s down to
today. The compensation still leaves farmers very short and as you note bereft.
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling >> day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route. >>
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route >> will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs ? the 11.3km >> Cote d?Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies ? removed.
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to
be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the
route in light of ?distress? amongst those farmers concerned."
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports!
Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling >>>> day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route >>>> will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs ? the 11.3km >>>> Cote d?Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies ? removed.
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to >>>> be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the
route in light of ?distress? amongst those farmers concerned."
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how
much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports!
Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
I suspect it?s more expensive and worrying depending on the level of government support, in my experience hill farming isn?t a particularly lucrative, nor has it ever been so.
Not sure I take your point. Imagine spending a good part of your life
trying to build something up, in this case, a herd of cows. Doing
whatever you can to nurture, protect, and improve them. Sure, they're
made of beef, and one would have to be quite sentimental to let one get
old, but they live and breathe and grow on a person.
Then, for reasons (perhaps good, I don't know), you have to kill them
all and dump them in a pit. I think that might just put me in a bad
mood, government support or no.
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling >>>>>> day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route >>>>>> will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km
Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed. >>>>>>
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to >>>>>> be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the >>>>>> route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned." >>>>>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how
much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports! >>>>
I suspect it’s more expensive and worrying depending on the level of
government support, in my experience hill farming isn’t a particularly >>> lucrative, nor has it ever been so.
Not sure I take your point. Imagine spending a good part of your life
trying to build something up, in this case, a herd of cows. Doing
whatever you can to nurture, protect, and improve them. Sure, they're
made of beef, and one would have to be quite sentimental to let one get
old, but they live and breathe and grow on a person.
Then, for reasons (perhaps good, I don't know), you have to kill them
all and dump them in a pit. I think that might just put me in a bad
mood, government support or no.
It does indeed, and some such as foot and mouth which had in the uk late 90’s is I believe more to preserve that it’s not in the food chain, the animals be they cow/sheep etc aren’t particularly at risk from it.
And lots of farmers did feel (probably rightly) upset at having to kill animals they didn’t need to.
On Fri Jul 25 11:40:28 2025 Radey Shouman wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling >> >> day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route >> >> will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs ? the 11.3km >> >> Cote d?Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies ? removed.
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to >> >> be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the
route in light of ?distress? amongst those farmers concerned."
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how >> > much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports!
Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
That is a threat to the entire cattle community and not just that one
area. Nodular dermititis is spread by flies and mosquitoes. That area
is where they produce Camembert chease so the price will probably
spike.
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling
day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route
will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km
Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed. >>>>>>>
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to >>>>>>> be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the >>>>>>> route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned." >>>>>>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how
much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports! >>>>>
I suspect it’s more expensive and worrying depending on the level of >>>> government support, in my experience hill farming isn’t a particularly >>>> lucrative, nor has it ever been so.
Not sure I take your point. Imagine spending a good part of your life
trying to build something up, in this case, a herd of cows. Doing
whatever you can to nurture, protect, and improve them. Sure, they're
made of beef, and one would have to be quite sentimental to let one get
old, but they live and breathe and grow on a person.
Then, for reasons (perhaps good, I don't know), you have to kill them
all and dump them in a pit. I think that might just put me in a bad
mood, government support or no.
It does indeed, and some such as foot and mouth which had in the uk late
90’s is I believe more to preserve that it’s not in the food chain, the >> animals be they cow/sheep etc aren’t particularly at risk from it.
And lots of farmers did feel (probably rightly) upset at having to kill
animals they didn’t need to.
I won't wade into rightly vs wrongly, there are good arguments for
trying to eliminate diseases of farm animals by any means necessary.
But I do understand why it might have been a poor idea to route the tour through country where it was happening.
Incidentally, for an artistic treatment, see the film _Hud_.
On 7/26/2025 7:13 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling
day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route
will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km
Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed. >>>>>>>>
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to
be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the >>>>>>>> route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned." >>>>>>>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how
much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports! >>>>>>
I suspect it’s more expensive and worrying depending on the level of >>>>> government support, in my experience hill farming isn’t a particularly >>>>> lucrative, nor has it ever been so.
Not sure I take your point. Imagine spending a good part of your life >>>> trying to build something up, in this case, a herd of cows. Doing
whatever you can to nurture, protect, and improve them. Sure, they're >>>> made of beef, and one would have to be quite sentimental to let one get >>>> old, but they live and breathe and grow on a person.
Then, for reasons (perhaps good, I don't know), you have to kill them
all and dump them in a pit. I think that might just put me in a bad
mood, government support or no.
It does indeed, and some such as foot and mouth which had in the uk late >>> 90’s is I believe more to preserve that it’s not in the food chain, the >>> animals be they cow/sheep etc aren’t particularly at risk from it.
And lots of farmers did feel (probably rightly) upset at having to kill
animals they didn’t need to.
I won't wade into rightly vs wrongly, there are good arguments for
trying to eliminate diseases of farm animals by any means necessary.
But I do understand why it might have been a poor idea to route the tour
through country where it was happening.
Incidentally, for an artistic treatment, see the film _Hud_.
Well, yes, but Tour route is decided a year ahead and
involves staggering amounts of planning plus money,
politics, influence and favors right down to small village
mayors. Nearly impossible to change the route in the last
weeks.
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/26/2025 7:13 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:And resurfacing of roads to be used! Or occasionally surfacing what was a gravel road!
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling
day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route
will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km
Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed. >>>>>>>>>
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to
be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the >>>>>>>>> route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned." >>>>>>>>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how
much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports! >>>>>>>
I suspect it’s more expensive and worrying depending on the level of >>>>>> government support, in my experience hill farming isn’t a particularly >>>>>> lucrative, nor has it ever been so.
Not sure I take your point. Imagine spending a good part of your life >>>>> trying to build something up, in this case, a herd of cows. Doing
whatever you can to nurture, protect, and improve them. Sure, they're >>>>> made of beef, and one would have to be quite sentimental to let one get >>>>> old, but they live and breathe and grow on a person.
Then, for reasons (perhaps good, I don't know), you have to kill them >>>>> all and dump them in a pit. I think that might just put me in a bad >>>>> mood, government support or no.
It does indeed, and some such as foot and mouth which had in the uk late >>>> 90’s is I believe more to preserve that it’s not in the food chain, the
animals be they cow/sheep etc aren’t particularly at risk from it.
And lots of farmers did feel (probably rightly) upset at having to kill >>>> animals they didn’t need to.
I won't wade into rightly vs wrongly, there are good arguments for
trying to eliminate diseases of farm animals by any means necessary.
But I do understand why it might have been a poor idea to route the tour >>> through country where it was happening.
Incidentally, for an artistic treatment, see the film _Hud_.
Well, yes, but Tour route is decided a year ahead and
involves staggering amounts of planning plus money,
politics, influence and favors right down to small village
mayors. Nearly impossible to change the route in the last
weeks.
Roger Merriman
On 7/27/2025 11:55 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/26/2025 7:13 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:And resurfacing of roads to be used! Or occasionally surfacing what was a
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
Radey Shouman <[email protected]> wrote:
Roger Merriman <[email protected]> writes:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
"Tour de France organisers have edited what was set to be an enthralling
day in the Alps to avoid cow culling taking place near the stage 19 route.
The discovery of a contagious disease amongst cattle has meant the route
will be shortened from 129.9km to just 95km with two climbs – the 11.3km
Cote d’Hery-sur-Ugine and the 13.7km Col des Saisies – removed. >>>>>>>>>>
An outbreak of nodular dermatitis meant the affected herd has needed to
be culled and race organisers have taken the decision to divert the >>>>>>>>>> route in light of “distress” amongst those farmers concerned." >>>>>>>>>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycling/stage-19-route-map-today-tour-de-france-2025-cows-b2795826.html
Ah I shall watch later today probably the catch-up though depending on how
much shorter might watch the entire show.
My brain finds watching sports more exhausting than doing said sports!
Can't be half as exhausting as having to kill all your cows.
I suspect it’s more expensive and worrying depending on the level of >>>>>>> government support, in my experience hill farming isn’t a particularly
lucrative, nor has it ever been so.
Not sure I take your point. Imagine spending a good part of your life >>>>>> trying to build something up, in this case, a herd of cows. Doing >>>>>> whatever you can to nurture, protect, and improve them. Sure, they're >>>>>> made of beef, and one would have to be quite sentimental to let one get >>>>>> old, but they live and breathe and grow on a person.
Then, for reasons (perhaps good, I don't know), you have to kill them >>>>>> all and dump them in a pit. I think that might just put me in a bad >>>>>> mood, government support or no.
It does indeed, and some such as foot and mouth which had in the uk late >>>>> 90’s is I believe more to preserve that it’s not in the food chain, the
animals be they cow/sheep etc aren’t particularly at risk from it. >>>>>
And lots of farmers did feel (probably rightly) upset at having to kill >>>>> animals they didn’t need to.
I won't wade into rightly vs wrongly, there are good arguments for
trying to eliminate diseases of farm animals by any means necessary.
But I do understand why it might have been a poor idea to route the tour >>>> through country where it was happening.
Incidentally, for an artistic treatment, see the film _Hud_.
Well, yes, but Tour route is decided a year ahead and
involves staggering amounts of planning plus money,
politics, influence and favors right down to small village
mayors. Nearly impossible to change the route in the last
weeks.
gravel road!
Roger Merriman
There was some complaining about the state of the tarmac on one of the
stages this year
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