Wide divergence of opinions, especially in the reader comments:

https://nypost.com/2025/07/05/us-news/astoria-businesses-residents-fighting-nyc-dots-bike-lane-plan/

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Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:

On 7/6/2025 11:39 AM, AMuzi wrote:

Wide divergence of opinions, especially in the reader comments:

https://nypost.com/2025/07/05/us-news/astoria-businesses-residents-
fighting-nyc-dots-bike-lane-plan/

The steel pillars make that a nearly unique situation. Their presence
slices the paved area up into unusually wide lanes. But the existing situation allows 14' to be shared by bikes and cars. That's normally
enough room to share.

I'm aware of many problems that have arisen from bike lanes hidden at
the curb side of parked cars, but this situation looks so unusual I
can't judge what would be the final effects.

Street view makes it look like riding through a weird industrial area,
not like a normal street at all.

Other news sites seem to be less concerned, and more pragmatic, it’s apparently one of the more dangerous roads in the area for being doored and
so on.

Other places have coped fine with deliveries, and so on, it looks like a
fairly car friendly way of doing things, in that they have just moved the parking but kept it, and so on.

That is for example rare in london where parking tends to go, but NewYork
is a much more car centric city, I would expect this is fear of the
unknown, tends to follow a common curve, where folks panic, at what it
might be and so on, and often they change their mind particularly business
as foot/cycle traffic is far more likely to stop and spend money as it’s
just easier.

Clearly this is by reading articles and a wee look with Google street view
so will be stuff such as how the street operates that is missing!

Roger Merriman

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On 7/6/2025 7:36 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 7/6/2025 5:13 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:

On 7/6/2025 11:39 AM, AMuzi wrote:

Wide divergence of opinions, especially in the reader
comments:

https://nypost.com/2025/07/05/us-news/astoria-
businesses-residents-
fighting-nyc-dots-bike-lane-plan/

The steel pillars make that a nearly unique situation.
Their presence
slices the paved area up into unusually wide lanes. But
the existing
situation allows 14' to be shared by bikes and cars.
That's normally
enough room to share.

I'm aware of many problems that have arisen from bike
lanes hidden at
the curb side of parked cars, but this situation looks so
unusual I
can't judge what would be the final effects.

Street view makes it look like riding through a weird
industrial area,
not like a normal street at all.

Other news sites seem to be less concerned, and more
pragmatic, it’s
apparently one of the more dangerous roads in the area for
being doored and
so on.

Other places have coped fine with deliveries, and so on,
it looks like a
fairly car friendly way of doing things, in that they have
just moved the
parking but kept it, and so on.

That is for example rare in london where parking tends to
go, but NewYork
is a much more car centric city, I would expect this is
fear of the
unknown, tends to follow a common curve, where folks
panic, at what it
might be and so on, and often they change their mind
particularly business
as foot/cycle traffic is far more likely to stop and spend
money as it’s
just easier.

Clearly this is by reading articles and a wee look with
Google street view
so will be stuff such as how the street operates that is
missing!

I think Andrew posted the following into the wrong thread:
-----------------

Here's a commuter on that street:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dqt86BBCdfM

many more street view videos:
https://www.youtube.com/results?
search_query=bicycle+31st+st+astoria+queens

OH, I did indeed. Thank you.

--
Andrew Muzi
[email protected]
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:

On 7/6/2025 7:36 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 7/6/2025 5:13 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:

On 7/6/2025 11:39 AM, AMuzi wrote:

Wide divergence of opinions, especially in the reader
comments:

https://nypost.com/2025/07/05/us-news/astoria-
businesses-residents-
fighting-nyc-dots-bike-lane-plan/

The steel pillars make that a nearly unique situation.
Their presence
slices the paved area up into unusually wide lanes. But
the existing
situation allows 14' to be shared by bikes and cars.
That's normally
enough room to share.

I'm aware of many problems that have arisen from bike
lanes hidden at
the curb side of parked cars, but this situation looks so
unusual I
can't judge what would be the final effects.

Street view makes it look like riding through a weird
industrial area,
not like a normal street at all.

Other news sites seem to be less concerned, and more
pragmatic, it’s
apparently one of the more dangerous roads in the area for
being doored and
so on.

Other places have coped fine with deliveries, and so on,
it looks like a
fairly car friendly way of doing things, in that they have
just moved the
parking but kept it, and so on.

That is for example rare in london where parking tends to
go, but NewYork
is a much more car centric city, I would expect this is
fear of the
unknown, tends to follow a common curve, where folks
panic, at what it
might be and so on, and often they change their mind
particularly business
as foot/cycle traffic is far more likely to stop and spend
money as it’s
just easier.

Clearly this is by reading articles and a wee look with
Google street view
so will be stuff such as how the street operates that is
missing!

I think Andrew posted the following into the wrong thread:
-----------------

Here's a commuter on that street:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Dqt86BBCdfM

many more street view videos:
https://www.youtube.com/results?
search_query=bicycle+31st+st+astoria+queens

OH, I did indeed. Thank you.

I guess really my general cynicism with using cars as the separation for segregated cycleways which is as far as I can tell mostly a US design
choice, as it preserves car parking.

And well how a street works, is it for example somewhere like London
Embankment which is largely a route though, than a destination in of itself which Chiswick for example is, and so on.

Now admittedly change is part of life!

Good to see some examples from Andrew links but tend to have an angle as
ever so probably needs time to see what happens!

Roger Merriman

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On Sun Jul 6 10:39:39 2025 AMuzi wrote:

Wide divergence of opinions, especially in the reader comments:

https://nypost.com/2025/07/05/us-news/astoria-businesses-residents-fighting-nyc-dots-bike-lane-plan/

E-bikes are a motorized vehicle and should be treated as such.

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