On 7/4/2025 9:52 AM, cyclintom wrote:

On Sun Jun 29 16:28:34 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 6/29/2025 4:04 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Sun Jun 29 09:13:01 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 6/28/2025 7:30 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Sat Jun 28 07:47:07 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:

On 27 Jun 2025 21:40:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>

Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/27/2025 8:47 AM, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/27/2025 4:37 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:

On 27 Jun 2025 00:11:21 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:

Zen Cycle <[email protected]> wrote:

On 6/25/2025 6:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/25/2025 4:00 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Mon Jun 23 13:32:57 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2025 11:19 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:

it's possible he's having trouble getting the moving average
to display.
he might need some guidance getting the datafield menu, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm done
helping him.

I was suffering some irritation with my new cell phone. A 13-
year-old
fixed it for me within minutes.

Tom should hire a 13-year-old.

Frank, are you saying that you don't know anything about a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Garmin but
someone else should?

I have no interest in Garmins. But I'm saying _you_ don't know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough
about your Garmin, and that today's teenagers are often adept at
electronic devices and their menu systems.

But forget it. Figure it out yourself, while bitching that you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are right
and the rest of the universe is wrong, as you usually do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Indeed does seem to believe all sorts of things about the Garmin?s
that a
clearly not correct!

I agree with Jay Beattie that I don't need electronics to tell me
how
much slower I'm getting. I wonder what you're hoping to achieve with
your Garmin. Training for your next race?

Personally they are handy for navigation, while I use maps (yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper) to
plot a route a device that can keep one on that route, this sort
of thing
is much less with roads, which are by some degree easier to navigate.

There was a movie called Hard Miles that came out a few years ago
starring Mattew Modine. The IMDB synopsis reads:

"A prison social worker assembles a cycling team of teenage >>>>>>>>>>>>>> convicts and
takes them on a transformative 1,000-mile ride. Inspired by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> life of
Greg Townsend and the Ridgeview Academy cycling team." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I saw it in the theater when it came out. I gave it a solid B/B+,
partially since it did a reasonable job in the technical aspects,
but it
was a good movie overall with a very positive message. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The relevant point to my response, was when Modine's character was
teaching the kids how to read a map - which they would need since they
weren't' going to be allowed to bring cellphones on the trip. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
One of the teenagers suggested they avoid a city center since the map
had the roads shown in red, meaning they had a lot of traffic. The
interaction between the two about how a paper map could possibly be
updated in real time was hilarious.

To be fair that?s one feature Strava has which is one can see if >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone has
used a segment and this year/month/week to gauge does this exist on the
ground and is it rideable? Names occasionally give the name away, >>>>>>>>>>>>> segments
named Bramble tunnel for example I might avoid!

Ie that there is a right of way is one thing but is it possible to
ride it?
The paper maps can?t tell me, sometimes I can be fairly sure for >>>>>>>>>>>>> example
some of the rarely used stuff on the Ridgeway is open land so be >>>>>>>>>>>>> passable.

I do use Strava etc for the social and so on aspect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And I do prefer Strava route builder over others particularly as I
do ride
routes less traveled so that?s always useful.

Roger Merriman

Roger Merriman

I haven't looked at a paper map for decades. I'm surprised that they
still make them.

Note the maps Im talking about are UK Ordance Survey so their focus >>>>>>>>>>> is for
land and rights of way, way beyond tarmac roads, they do have digital
download which is handy, as a mobile is generally more waterproof and
easier to carry.

Google maps and similar will do little in such areas.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

My experience as well. Good mapmakers are a wonderful resource. >>>>>>>>>

Heartily agreed! I love USGS maps, and I once had an article published
in _Bicycling_ explaining and praising them for bicycling, especially >>>>>>>>> for the contour data.

When a good friend or family member moves to a new location, I mount and
frame a 1:24000 series map of their location as a gift. If their place
is near an edge or corner, I include the adjacent maps, carefully fitted
together. I think the resulting wall hanging is quite beautiful. >>>>>>>>>

Uk Ordnance Survey you can buy them centred on your house etc, no digital
down load and so on but nevertheless fun.

I do also use the old online versions to find stuff that has disappeared,
and go for an explore.

Roger Merriman

Being a it of a history nut, I like to do that, but I think old
antique maps are best for that. I have copies of old maps that show >>>>>>> the old stagecoach road that ran through two of my ancestors farms. >>>>>>

I tend to find the very old ones aren?t particularly detailed and large >>>>>> scale which is why Ordance Survey was set up, and there are fairly detailed
ones 18xx (late)

Which to be fair is often more curiosity why is that track there? Roman and
so on roads are normally fairly clear.

When I said I haven't looked at a paper map for decades, I was
referring to using them for navigation, but I enthralled with old >>>>>>> antique maps and using them to find places with history. I used an old >>>>>>> map and old books to find and hike to the place where I believe my >>>>>>> great grandfather and his cavalry mates crossed the Rappahannock River >>>>>>> to attack Jeb Stuart. I sat on the stone fence where his brother, my >>>>>>> great uncle died.

That for me at least in the close term would probably be the world wars, >>>>>> going further back it?s much more diluted, and sometimes on both sides such
as Battle of Hastings and so on.

Romkan Roads were a marvel of engineering for their time. They were dug deep and then followed with gravel and then stone. They had better be plain because they were built to carry 4 columns next to each other. Hadrians Wall is still there after

over 2,000 years. Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over Roman roads.

WTF?

"Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over
Roman roads." is not even remotely believable. It's just
not true.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Why+are+Belgian+cobblestone+roads+built+like+that&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkUIsFv_JNYs

Although one might choose to cover a Roman road with
cobbles, that's not 'original equipment'.

Belgium was a participant in WW II the roads were nearly all destroyed. Whatever they did to replace those roads had nothing to do with Rome. I did drive on Roman roads in the south of France and my cop friend who saved my life spend the majority of

his professional life in Italy. We both agreed that most of the roads that went anywhere had originally been built by Rome. The question is - why would you deny thaT? I have shown you several historic articles that say nothing more than what I did.


Yes there are many important routes in Italy (and much of
Europe plus Brittania) originally surveyed and paved by
Legion engineers. But nowhere near your:

"Virtually ALL of the roads in northern Italy are paved over
Roman roads."

And you called pavementum 'cobbles'. They are not.


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On 7/10/2025 4:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Sun Jul 6 09:07:59 2025 AMuzi wrote:

Had you read the link I posted, you would not have written,
"ship lifts the cable starting from the nearest port out of
the water" which is ridiculous and absurd.

And had you read the link, the remainder of your fantasies
above would not have graced our newsgroup either.

Andrew, you are a great reader, but reading things written by people who are not expert on a subject isn't going to give you a complete understanding of the subject. I have walked on the deck of a ship that repirs undersea power cables. Most cables are

damaged pretty close to shore and as I said. they simply raise tghe cable off of the seabed and repair it on the surface. How are you suggesting that you repair the broken ends of a power cable an inch in diameter coming from an offshore wind farm? These
cables are very large because they are carrying very high voltage so the insullation is very thick and the water proof casing is also thick. How do you repair a break. Don't refer me to that sillyt article that is written by a journalist and not a
technician that actually does the work.

American standards for high voltage lines are 380,000 volts. That is a LOT of insullation around an undersea cable to a windfarm. Do you really think that this is being repaired by some guy with a scuba outfit and a xcoldering iron? The cables are

small but they also carry quite a bit of electgricity to power repeaters. And since the span quite laerge gaps between continental shelves, there may be hundreds of repeaters on intercontinental data lines.

I repeat HOW do you think that these cables are traced to repair? EVEN if you know how far out the break is, how do you FIND it 1200 miles out in the Pacific Ocean? Do you think that it is located by bouys and long ropes to lift it?

I think that you tend to believe things that you've read too easily. You wanted to argue with me about Tom Ritchey designing Jobst's frame when a guy who was WORKING there and watched what was going on said otherwise. And this guy was the 7-11 team

mechanic for crying out loud. Do you think he wasn't bright enough to see what happened when he helped measure and fit the 7-11 team riders so that John Slawta could properly fit them?

I have no doubt that Tom did the brazing but there had to be a JIG and the jig had to fit the angles that the lugs were supplying.

And you ARGUING with me that the people that invented roads in Europe didn't build them so well that they are used to this day. I say that I DROVE all over southern France on them and you're telling me I didn't. I misplced the photograph of the road

house or I would publish it for you. DO YOU THINK THAT Great Britain built new roads up to Hadrians Wall when they didn't have to? If Hadrians Wall lasted that long sticking up in English weather, do you think that the roads were more poorly built? No
amount of references to people saying just what I said seems to satisfy you.

Yes. most of the roads north of Paris were turned to ruble from WW II bombing. But they ended up rebuilding them in the style of Roman Roads. Not with ceramics or tiles but with cobbles.

Your ideas of the world around you are only partially accurate from your reading no matter how much knowledge they give you.

OK let's assume you're right. A data cable (or a fiber
cable) between SF and HI has broken. Let's say you're right
that it's merely 10 miles from the SF terminus. Who in
their right mind would pull up a cable and steam out slowly
while simultaneously lifting it for ten miles? That's
beyond inefficient and tedious, it's ridiculous.

And I suppose you're suggesting they find the other side of
the break by sending another ship from Hawaii to lift the
entire length, a section at a time, steaming slowly to SF?
Think for just a moment and tell me how that could ever make
sense.

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