• Garmin Data

    From Mark J cleary@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 12:12:03 2025
    I can see some don't care much about data as far as riding but I like information. Really in truth I don't train by Garmin or do I train for
    anything I just like to ride. I do like steak, ice cream, good beer,
    and donuts so hopefully that offset some of my issues.

    Here is the upload of my ride today on the Garmin. I have a 945 that I
    wear all the time on left wrist but take if off and put on bike
    handlebars during the ride.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/14922241731

    Today's ride was hot but I leave early morning so not bad at all. To me
    the most important data it gives is of course distance, speed, and my
    heart rate. Heart rate is important I wear a chest strap and generally
    it is very accurate although I think it will rub wrong an overstate some readings.

    Today I went very hard by my standards for the first 30 miles averaged
    17.6 mph. It was a closed loop course then I got out in the wind and the average speed drop especially going to the west. My heart rate a 130 was
    a bit higher than normal usually around 120-125. Top speed is
    interesting but basically not all the useful. Depends for me entirely on
    the road surface and grade down. I like smooth pavement and if the
    pavement is not smooth I back off any downhill assaults or if cross wind.

    In the end I really like Garmin just for my statistical information brain.
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  • From Catrike Ryder@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jun 26 13:29:12 2025
    On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 12:12:03 -0500, Mark J cleary
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    I can see some don't care much about data as far as riding but I like >information. Really in truth I don't train by Garmin or do I train for >anything I just like to ride. I do like steak, ice cream, good beer,
    and donuts so hopefully that offset some of my issues.

    Here is the upload of my ride today on the Garmin. I have a 945 that I
    wear all the time on left wrist but take if off and put on bike
    handlebars during the ride.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/14922241731

    Today's ride was hot but I leave early morning so not bad at all. To me
    the most important data it gives is of course distance, speed, and my
    heart rate. Heart rate is important I wear a chest strap and generally
    it is very accurate although I think it will rub wrong an overstate some >readings.

    Today I went very hard by my standards for the first 30 miles averaged
    17.6 mph. It was a closed loop course then I got out in the wind and the >average speed drop especially going to the west. My heart rate a 130 was
    a bit higher than normal usually around 120-125. Top speed is
    interesting but basically not all the useful. Depends for me entirely on
    the road surface and grade down. I like smooth pavement and if the
    pavement is not smooth I back off any downhill assaults or if cross wind.

    In the end I really like Garmin just for my statistical information brain.

    +1

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  • From Zen Cycle@21:1/5 to Mark J cleary on Thu Jun 26 15:07:39 2025
    On 6/26/2025 1:12 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    I can see some don't care much  about data as far as riding but I like information. Really in truth I don't train by Garmin or do I train for anything I just like to ride. I do like steak, ice cream,  good beer,
    and donuts so hopefully that  offset some of my issues.

    Here is the upload of my ride today on the  Garmin. I have a 945 that I
    wear all the time on left wrist but take if off and put on bike
    handlebars during the ride.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/14922241731

    Today's ride was hot but I leave early morning so not bad at all. To me
    the most important data it gives is of course distance, speed, and my
    heart rate. Heart rate is important I wear a chest strap and generally
    it is very accurate although I think it will rub wrong an overstate some readings.

    Today I went very hard by my standards for the first 30 miles averaged
    17.6 mph. It was a closed loop course then I got out in the wind and the average speed drop especially going to the west. My heart rate a 130 was
    a bit higher than normal usually around 120-125. Top speed is
    interesting but basically not all the useful. Depends for me entirely on
    the road surface and grade down. I like smooth pavement and if the
    pavement is not smooth I back off any downhill assaults or if cross wind.

    In the end I really like Garmin just for my statistical information brain.

    +1
    "It's not what you look like
    When you're doing what you're doing
    It's what you're doing when you're doing
    What you look like you're doing"
    - Express Yourself by Charles Wright

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL4hI9_ua4k


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  • From Mark J cleary@21:1/5 to Frank Krygowski on Thu Jun 26 18:19:46 2025
    On 6/26/2025 4:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
    On 6/26/2025 1:12 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    I can see some don't care much  about data as far as riding but I like
    information. ...

    In the end I really like Garmin just for my statistical information
    brain.

    People like what people like. I actually like data in general. I just
    don't want to bother with a lot of data about bicycling. I sort of like
    to keep it organic, in a way.

    But those of you who do use Garmins to collect data on each ride, can
    you describe what you do with the data? How do you process it? What significant information do you glean from it, and what use do you make
    of that information?

    This is honest curiosity.


    I can appreciate some find this stuff uninteresting or maybe worthless,
    but I just like to see how I differ from day to day. One thing I have
    noticed is my heart rate has dropped over the last 2 months to lower
    averages. This tells me I am in better shape. Given my crash and
    recovery of a year ago this makes sense.

    I also like to see how fast I go at times. Recently I have struggles
    with being confident even a speeds around 25 MPH. I compare some data to
    older rides from years ago and age does take a toll. We know this but
    don't need Garmin to tell me. I am certainly borderline obsessive
    compulsive so that makes sense to.

    I don't use it to race as I never race and will never race except myself
    in time trials. Garmins work great for that.

    Finally I do get it that some just have not interest. In the same vein
    of thinking I am jazz guitarist. When I improvise and play I don't think
    about complicated scales like locrian, super-locrian, dominate bebop
    scales or even a plain old dorian. I just start improvising and playing.
    I can do back and figure them out but why? I know players who obsess
    over the terms and scales and pour over complicated theory.

    I don't mind the stuff but at this point I don't have any need I just play.

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  • From Rolf Mantel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 10:44:25 2025
    Am 26.06.2025 um 23:37 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
    On 6/26/2025 1:12 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
    I can see some don't care much  about data as far as riding but I like
    information. ...

    In the end I really like Garmin just for my statistical information
    brain.

    People like what people like. I actually like data in general. I just
    don't want to bother with a lot of data about bicycling. I sort of like
    to keep it organic, in a way.

    But those of you who do use Garmins to collect data on each ride, can
    you describe what you do with the data? How do you process it?

    When I upload my commute data, it automatically compares the results
    with the last 200 or so times I've taken this ride and tells me "is my
    gut feeling how the ride felt realistic?"

    If my subjective fitness differs significantly from the objective ride
    data, this might be an indicator that I better take the train to work
    for a few days.

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  • From Wolfgang Strobl@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 29 21:06:10 2025
    Am Thu, 26 Jun 2025 17:37:44 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski <[email protected]>:

    But those of you who do use Garmins to collect data on each ride, can
    you describe what you do with the data?

    025-06-21: Bonn <-> Remagen by bike.

    <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20250621/karte.jpg>

    That's part of an illustrated writeup of my tours that I collect on my
    web server and publish it elsewhere.


    How do you process it?

    I take the track*) from a ride, compute some bounding rectangle, enlarge
    that a bit, create a 3D-Map for that area, decide what map tiles to use
    and on a zoom level, apply some voodoo to the lights, adjust the camera
    (view, focal length, ...), add the aforementioned track, perhaps add a
    few other tracks for context or comparison, add some waypoints and
    finally modify the thickness and color of some tracks.

    Sometimes I like to play around with what Blender offers for polishing
    scenes like that, sometimes I just render the resulting view into an
    image. That gets polished using a photo editor. The image gets some
    final touches, including adding some data as an overlay, some part from
    Garmin Connect (distance ridden, average power, ...), another one
    computed by a little script of mine that creates an altitude graph.


    What
    significant information do you glean from it, and what use do you make
    of that information?

    I just enjoy it and use it as part of an illustrated, enhanced web based
    diary for my cycling activities. I like to scroll through my notes and
    fotos from earlier years, including occasionally doeing some summaries
    that combine a collection from rides selected by a specific time range
    or area. Say: where in my area have I been riding two years ago? Where
    did we ride in France, during our first vacation after retirement? The
    fun of having data is that you find new uses for it, now and then.

    "Significance" is in the eye of the beholder. What significant
    information do you get from doing leisure rides by bike?

    As always, I have at least three reasons to ride bike, to varying
    degrees. It gets you to a destination quickly, it makes and keeps you
    fit and, last but not least, it's fun.

    The data I collect serves all three purposes, again to varying degrees
    and in different ways. Garmin Connect, the web portal, specifically
    delivers enough training data that helps finding the right amount of
    work quickly.

    Measurement, recording and finally control of distance, altitude, speed,
    power, cadence and heart rate makes it possible to stay in the
    performance ranges that are favorable for a desired training effect.

    If even professional competitive athletes, who have much more
    experience, (have to) rely on such measuring and evaluating support,
    then it should be understandable that someone with less or no training experience may benefit even more from it. YMMV, of course.


    This is honest curiosity.

    And this is a partial answer, only. I've collected recorded tracks from
    most of my bicycle rides since I got the means for it in 2007/2008.
    Combined with pictures taken with various digital cameras that I carried
    with me on my resp. our rides, I can still reconstruct our rides across
    the landscape. Now that I have the time and some better tools, I
    sometimes do it again, finding new aspects, using different pictures and different views. Sometimes, when a TdF etappe touches a road or an area
    where we have been cycling during a past vacation, I do a mashup. Etc.

    On the other hand, most of all those many photos on paper or slides and
    old paper maps from Michelin with markings collect dust, somewhere out
    reach and out of sight. Before retirement, I had access to a slide
    scanner from Nikon, but no time, so only a few slides got scanned. I
    _do_ have a slide duplicator for my Nikon D7000 which is even better,
    when combined with a strong, camera controlled flashlight. But scanning
    slides that way is time consuming manual work and not easily automated,
    so still only a few slides got scanned.

    Frankly, I don't miss the old ways. I still can create photos on paper
    and sometimes I do, for a small subset. A drugstore chain nearby has
    photo printers that can print pictures up to postcard size and it's not
    even expensive. It only takes me a good ten minutes to copy pictures
    onto an SD card or USB stick, walk or ride there, print them out, pay
    and return home.

    Back to training, for quite a while, I didn't look much at my training
    data, anymore, becaused doing the right thing had become a habit. But
    as I said, shit happens. I'm quite happy that I already had the means
    of doing the necessary recovery training instead of being forced to
    ... but that's a story for another time. Let's just agree that it is
    sometimes helpful to have alternatives.


    *) ... by fetching the recorded .fit from its folder on the Garmin Edge, converting it from .fit to .gpx afterwards.

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