On Mon Jun 23 13:10:21 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 6/23/2025 12:23 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Sun Jun 22 11:03:15 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 6/22/2025 10:38 AM, cyclintom wrote:

On Sat Jun 21 15:12:43 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:

Because they depend on the USA's military.

One very serious problem is that most of the world's freight is moved by a very limited number of container ships so large that it takes high tides and special operations even to turn them around in the port of Oakland. Freight can easily be cut

off simply by sinking 20 ships . In WW II we were building a ship a day to keep up with those being sunk.

Uh no.

https://www.atlas-mag.net/en/category/tags/focus/the-world-merchant-fleet

Andrew please read these thing before you post:

The US flag merchant ships are only 3.27% of the worlds fleet.

So what?

US ocean commercial cargo is primarily FL to Puerto Rico &
US possessions and then CA to Hawaii and possessions, due to
the Jones Act.

And "US Flag" carriers are even a smaller chunk than the
3.27% number. We are not a player in XL container ships.
We're not even a rounding error. Of the 55,000 commercial
vessels in link above, US Flag are only about 180 hulls of
all types in total. Pfffft.

https://www.bts.gov/content/number-and-size-us-flag-merchant-fleet-and-its-share-world-fleet

Oh, and your ridiculous "20 ships" fantasy mentioned nothing
about US flag carriers.

My point was that the US cannot move any cargo without the full cooperation of the rest of the world. Container ships are I believe to be mostly Chinese. They are so large that you can only grasp their size in person. The latest containers are, I believe,
56 feet long so they have been building freight cars to suit thius larger siZe. These trains rarely go south now but east. I'm not sure how they get over the Rocky Mountains. They must have six or seven tadem engines on front and two on the back For the
coastal range they seldom get over 3 or 4 engines on the fron and 2 on the rear. Switch engines are used only in the yards for pulling empties into place.

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On Tue Jun 24 15:23:33 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 6/24/2025 2:52 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Mon Jun 23 12:48:16 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 6/23/2025 12:17 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Sun Jun 22 22:32:14 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

The obligations and threats are well beyond just defensive measures, which
is why the US needs such a large military, for that role which is well >>>> beyond just defensive.

We have two I believe and are relatively large carriers just not US sized
ones!

Who won the worls wars? Even with the US being dragged into WW II kicking and screaming let's remember that GB, France, Australia and Canada were not winning that war. They could hardly stay even.

For the 1914 Great War, everyone lost.

For the 1939 war, Russia clearly won in the European theater
and USA in the Pacific. (with many contributions and much
suffering from multiple allies all around)

Even though Germany had their worst armies in Russia the Russians came withing an inch of losing Stalingrad. Russia got one advantage - Hitler sent all of his best armiexs to the western front. Also his best weapons. Also his best Air forces.

I suppose we could agree to disagree concerning Russia but they really lost the war because Hitler needed his armis to the south.

South what? Libya/Egypt campaign or Greece? Doesn't make
sense either way.

Are you unaware that Hitler moved his army into Italy to support that incompetent Musolini? In any case, the German army in Russia was not the finest and they came within a hair's breadth of taking Stalingrad. If they had done that Russia was lost. And
consider - the US was supplying all of the supplies to the Russian Army to hold out. Without us, they would have had no chance at all.This is ALL a matter of history. You only need to read it.

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On Mon Jun 23 20:19:02 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:

In article <jMf6Q.1287577$[email protected]>,
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:

Providing the jury of peers is a state responsibility.

How would that work? Hire professional jurors as state employees?

So you've never been on a jury, have you? Exactly how old are you really?

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On Mon Jun 23 12:45:24 2025 AMuzi wrote:

On 6/23/2025 12:02 PM, cyclintom wrote:

On Sun Jun 22 23:41:03 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:

In article <2XC5Q.1372247$6%[email protected]>,
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:

the way I read the 6th Amendment you are not required to stand jury
duty. The 6th Amendment guarantees the defendent the right to a speedy >>> trial with a jury of his peers. It does not require citizens to stand
jury duty.

A fine state the 6th Amendment would be in if no peers showed up to be
the jury!

Butler v Perry calls out compulsory service of several types as being
Constitutional, including military service and jury duty.

Providing the jury of peers is a state responsibility.

With batons, handcuffs and chains?
Or does that have an individual civic duty component?

"If you don't answer a jury summons, you may receive a second summons, and failing to respond to that can result in a fine of up to $250 or even contempt of court charges, which could lead to a Class A misdemeanor. It's important to respond or seek an
excusal if you have a valid reason.
"

Is rhat your idea of batons and handcuffs?

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On Mon Jun 23 22:24:58 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 6/23/2025 1:38 PM, cyclintom wrote:

Damn. I can't resist.

Tom, do you purposely look for mistakes to post? Most people here now
assume, with justification, that if you say something, it must be wrong.

Tesla batteries are no longer made with rare earth metals (lithium) and CANNOT catch fire.

Lithium is not a rare earth metal. Look it up!

EV battery fires are about 1/20th as common as I.C. engine car fires, so
it's not a serious issue. But Teslas have caught fire. See <https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tesla-car-battery-fire-needed-6000-gallons-water-to-extinguish-rcna68153>

Other electric cars could not be profitable without government provided subsidies.

If my EV got subsidies, it would have had to be from the Korean government.

A new bare bones Tesla is only $11,000.

You're off by a factor of four. I recently posted evidence.

Facebook allows anyone to post under any identity so many are posting under famous names and saying stupid things.

While you're posting stupid things under your own name. Thanks for that honesty, anyway.

Frank, on a good day you're simply stupid. It isn't the the percentage of minerals that alone make them rare, but how hard they are to extract from ore. Lithium requires 500,000 Gallons of pure water to extract ONE LB of Lithium from ore. While the
amout of Lithium in a ton of ore varies typically it takes several tons of ore to produce one lb of Lithium. Hence Lithium is dirived with environmentally poor open pit mining.

As of 2026 Tesla will be selling their cars with Aluminum Ion batterie4s with a solid state electrolite. While Lithium has one free electron, aluminum has 3. Correcting for other losses, the new batteries are at least twice as efficient and half the
battery pack will be required to go further than Lithium Ion batteries and without the heating problem of Lithium's resistance will charge in 25% of the time. Also aluminum batteries burn at controlable temperatures in the very rare case of a battery
fire.

Your Korean car uses Chinese batteries that are poorly made and would be considered as being trans-shipped should they need replacement and the cost would be prohibitive.

I was sent a notification from Tesla that their bottom of the line 2026 car would START at $11,300. I do not believe that anyone would purchase a Tesla at that price but that is what they sent me so as usual, your pure ignorance shows in your "proving"
nothing at all.

The fact that you don't knoe that battery packs for all of the Asian products come from China is simply another demonstration of your ignorance.

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