On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
cheers,
John B.
Closer to you and the latest in a current series: >https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-seizes-disputed-reef-near-014604004.html
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:19:18 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
cheers,
John B.
Closer to you and the latest in a current series:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-seizes-disputed-reef-near-014604004.html
Note that Sandy Cay has been claimed by 4 different countries (China, Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam). I expect to see more such
incidents. My guess(tm) is they take turns invading the island.
"Sandy Cay: China Blasts Philippines’ Research Vessel with Water
Cannon | Taiwan Talks EP642" (Jun 4, 2025) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qflIsf_84zA>
Sandy Cay is not a pile of sand as some news photos seem to indicate: <https://amti.csis.org/sand-cay/>
"List of territorial disputes" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes>
Any one of these could escalate into yet another world war (that
nobody wants).
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly. ><https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
Closer to you and the latest in a current series:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-seizes-disputed-reef-near-014604004.html
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
what is it about "and has refused to rule out the use of force to
secure it." is it that you don't understand?
--
cheers,
John B.
On 6/15/2025 5:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner.
I don't think they're good friends, although Trump probably tells
himself that. I think Putin has something big he's hanging over Trump's
head.
--Threatening to bomb the natural gas
pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving
Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some
shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
Yes, I'm afraid we're going to be severely shocked when <whatever> happens.
BTW, Krakow's "Old Town" is marvelous.
On 6/15/2025 8:03 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
what is it about "and has refused to rule out the use of force to
secure it." is it that you don't understand?
--
cheers,
John B.
The ever perspicacious Selena Zito elucidated that conundrum
in September of 2016 (in The Atlantic, of all places):
�When he makes claims like this, the press takes him
literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him
seriously, but not literally.�
On 6/16/2025 10:13 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 07:38:35 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
The ever perspicacious Selena Zito elucidated that conundrum
in September of 2016 (in The Atlantic, of all places):
�When he makes claims like this, the press takes him
literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him
seriously, but not literally.�
I take him to enjoy triggering people. A man I can relate to.
The internet word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "troll."
The everyday word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "asshole."
On 6/16/2025 11:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:03:14 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/16/2025 10:13 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 07:38:35 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
The ever perspicacious Selena Zito elucidated that conundrum
in September of 2016 (in The Atlantic, of all places):
�When he makes claims like this, the press takes him
literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him
seriously, but not literally.�
I take him to enjoy triggering people. A man I can relate to.
The internet word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "troll."
The everyday word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "asshole."
See, I triggered Krygowski. He's really easy, but it's fun anyway.
QED! ;-)
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:45:36 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
Deja-vu all over again. Note this is nothing like the
Falklands war - territories disputed over centuries between one or
more countries.
//
Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with the
European kingdoms of Norway and Denmark for more than a millennium
//
This is fascism one oh one.
What next, a war in the middle east?
Whoever said that American Corporations want a third World War
is probably correct.
On 6/16/2025 10:13 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 07:38:35 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
The ever perspicacious Selena Zito elucidated that conundrum
in September of 2016 (in The Atlantic, of all places):
?When he makes claims like this, the press takes him
literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him
seriously, but not literally.?
I take him to enjoy triggering people. A man I can relate to.
The internet word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "troll."
The everyday word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "asshole."
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
what is it about "and has refused to rule out the use of force to
secure it." is it that you don't understand?
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
Closer to you and the latest in a current series:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-seizes-disputed-reef-near-014604004.html
On 6/15/2025 1:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:19:18 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
cheers,
John B.
Closer to you and the latest in a current series:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-seizes-disputed-reef-near-014604004.html
Note that Sandy Cay has been claimed by 4 different countries (China, Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam). I expect to see more such
incidents. My guess(tm) is they take turns invading the island.
"Sandy Cay: China Blasts Philippines? Research Vessel with Water
Cannon | Taiwan Talks EP642" (Jun 4, 2025) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qflIsf_84zA>
Sandy Cay is not a pile of sand as some news photos seem to indicate: <https://amti.csis.org/sand-cay/>
"List of territorial disputes" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes>
Any one of these could escalate into yet another world war (that
nobody wants).
It's the latest in a series of reinforced/raised/improved
micro islands, shoals and reefs now featuring chinese
garrisons with secure fiber links, advanced radars and
anti-ship missiles.
https://warontherocks.com/2020/03/beyond-conventional-wisdom-evaluating-the-plas-south-china-sea-bases-in-operational-context/
note maps.
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly. <https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
On Sun Jun 15 16:06:33 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:45:36 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
Deja-vu all over again. Note this is nothing like the
Falklands war - territories disputed over centuries between one or
more countries.
//
Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with the
European kingdoms of Norway and Denmark for more than a millennium
//
This is fascism one oh one.
What next, a war in the middle east?
Whoever said that American Corporations want a third World War
is probably correct.
Just out of curiosity, are you aware that Iran has blankly stated that despite internationaol laws to the contrary that they were enriching uranium and that as soon as they had a bomb that they would use it on Israel?
You seem to think that Israel should wait until they were a radioactive wasteland before doing anthing.
When a fight is inevitable you take the first punch. All of the targets of the Israeli's were military targets
The Iranians have so far fired some 250 ICBM's at Israel and all at the civilian parts of the cities. Putin has offered safety to Komaeni. Like minds like to protect each other. But unless seriously provoked the Israeli's hesitate to interfere withReligion.
On Sun Jun 15 18:03:58 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
what is it about "and has refused to rule out the use of force to
secure it." is it that you don't understand?
What use of force has President Trump used?
Any more opinions such as the desires of the Greenlanders not counting?
On Sun Jun 15 16:06:33 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:45:36 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
Deja-vu all over again. Note this is nothing like the
Falklands war - territories disputed over centuries between one or
more countries.
//
Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with the
European kingdoms of Norway and Denmark for more than a millennium
//
This is fascism one oh one.
What next, a war in the middle east?
Whoever said that American Corporations want a third World War
is probably correct.
Just out of curiosity, are you aware that Iran has blankly stated that despite internationaol laws to the contrary that they were enriching uranium and that as soon as they had a bomb that they would use it on Israel?lives.
You seem to think that Israel should wait until they were a radioactive wasteland before doing anthing.
When a fight is inevitable you take the first punch. All of the targets of the Israeli's were military targets and the Iranian people have for decades now voiced concern over a religious extremist leadership and doing so in public has cost people their
The Iranians have so far fired some 250 ICBM's at Israel and all at the civilian parts of the cities. Putin has offered safety to Komaeni. Like minds like to protect each other. But unless seriously provoked the Israeli's hesitate to interfere withReligion.
On Sun Jun 15 13:37:19 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/15/2025 1:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:19:18 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:Note that Sandy Cay has been claimed by 4 different countries (China,
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
cheers,
John B.
Closer to you and the latest in a current series:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-seizes-disputed-reef-near-014604004.html >>>
Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam). I expect to see more such
incidents. My guess(tm) is they take turns invading the island.
"Sandy Cay: China Blasts Philippines? Research Vessel with Water
Cannon | Taiwan Talks EP642" (Jun 4, 2025)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qflIsf_84zA>
Sandy Cay is not a pile of sand as some news photos seem to indicate:
<https://amti.csis.org/sand-cay/>
"List of territorial disputes"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes>
Any one of these could escalate into yet another world war (that
nobody wants).
It's the latest in a series of reinforced/raised/improved
micro islands, shoals and reefs now featuring chinese
garrisons with secure fiber links, advanced radars and
anti-ship missiles.
https://warontherocks.com/2020/03/beyond-conventional-wisdom-evaluating-the-plas-south-china-sea-bases-in-operational-context/
note maps.
The Israelis and the Ukrainins have showed us what small countries can do to much larger.
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 13:37:19 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/15/2025 1:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:19:18 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:Note that Sandy Cay has been claimed by 4 different countries (China,
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
cheers,
John B.
Closer to you and the latest in a current series:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-seizes-disputed-reef-near-014604004.html >>>>
Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam). I expect to see more such
incidents. My guess(tm) is they take turns invading the island.
"Sandy Cay: China Blasts Philippines? Research Vessel with Water
Cannon | Taiwan Talks EP642" (Jun 4, 2025)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qflIsf_84zA>
Sandy Cay is not a pile of sand as some news photos seem to indicate:
<https://amti.csis.org/sand-cay/>
"List of territorial disputes"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes>
Any one of these could escalate into yet another world war (that
nobody wants).
It's the latest in a series of reinforced/raised/improved
micro islands, shoals and reefs now featuring chinese
garrisons with secure fiber links, advanced radars and
anti-ship missiles.
https://warontherocks.com/2020/03/beyond-conventional-wisdom-evaluating-the-plas-south-china-sea-bases-in-operational-context/
note maps.
The Israelis and the Ukrainins have showed us what small countries can do to much larger.
Not remotely comparable, Ukraine is dwarfed by Russian in numbers and while it has been given some western kit, none of it is generally current technology.
Hence Russia is grinding Ukraine down
Iran has a mix of older designs such as the F14 Tomcat aka TopGun wee grain of truth! Its military are not going to go toe to toe with Israel and
survive for long, hence its use of proxy groups and what is called asymmetrical warfare as it has little chance in a direct conflict.
Roger Merriman
On 6/16/2025 1:21 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 13:37:19 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/15/2025 1:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:19:18 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
cheers,
John B.
Closer to you and the latest in a current series:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-seizes-disputed-reef-near-014604004.html
Note that Sandy Cay has been claimed by 4 different countries (China, >>>>> Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam). I expect to see more such
incidents. My guess(tm) is they take turns invading the island.
"Sandy Cay: China Blasts Philippines? Research Vessel with Water
Cannon | Taiwan Talks EP642" (Jun 4, 2025)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qflIsf_84zA>
Sandy Cay is not a pile of sand as some news photos seem to indicate: >>>>> <https://amti.csis.org/sand-cay/>
"List of territorial disputes"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes>
Any one of these could escalate into yet another world war (that
nobody wants).
It's the latest in a series of reinforced/raised/improved
micro islands, shoals and reefs now featuring chinese
garrisons with secure fiber links, advanced radars and
anti-ship missiles.
https://warontherocks.com/2020/03/beyond-conventional-wisdom-evaluating-the-plas-south-china-sea-bases-in-operational-context/
note maps.
The Israelis and the Ukrainins have showed us what small countries can do to much larger.
Not remotely comparable, Ukraine is dwarfed by Russian in numbers and while >> it has been given some western kit, none of it is generally current
technology.
Hence Russia is grinding Ukraine down
Iran has a mix of older designs such as the F14 Tomcat aka TopGun wee grain >> of truth! Its military are not going to go toe to toe with Israel and
survive for long, hence its use of proxy groups and what is called
asymmetrical warfare as it has little chance in a direct conflict.
Roger Merriman
+1
Hence Iranian missiles launched from occupied Yemen this
morning:
https://www.thestatesman.com/world/yemens-houthis-claim-responsibility-for-missile-attacks-towards-israel-in-past-24-hours-1503445859.html
On Sun Jun 15 18:03:58 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
what is it about "and has refused to rule out the use of force to
secure it." is it that you don't understand?
What use of force has President Trump used? Trying to evict illegal aliens? Pardoning Jan 6 "criminals" some of whom were not even near the capitaol building but voiced concern over an FBI using middle of the night raids to grab people, through theminto solitary confinement without legal justification or representation?
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
On 6/15/2025 8:03 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
what is it about "and has refused to rule out the use of force to
secure it." is it that you don't understand?
--
cheers,
John B.
The ever perspicacious Selena Zito elucidated that conundrum
in September of 2016 (in The Atlantic, of all places):
�When he makes claims like this, the press takes him
literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him
seriously, but not literally.�
On 6/16/2025 12:07 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:54:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/16/2025 11:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:03:14 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/16/2025 10:13 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:See, I triggered Krygowski. He's really easy, but it's fun anyway.
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 07:38:35 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
The ever perspicacious Selena Zito elucidated that conundrum
in September of 2016 (in The Atlantic, of all places):
�When he makes claims like this, the press takes him
literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him
seriously, but not literally.�
I take him to enjoy triggering people. A man I can relate to.
The internet word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "troll." >>>>>
The everyday word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "asshole." >>>>
QED! ;-)
Some very sensitive individuals are too easily triggered. The sticks
and stones lessons their mommies taught them never sank in.
There's nothing to be said to someone who says "See? I acted like an
asshole, so I won!"
On 6/16/2025 12:07 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:54:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/16/2025 11:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:03:14 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/16/2025 10:13 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 07:38:35 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]>
wrote:
The ever perspicacious Selena Zito elucidated that conundrum
in September of 2016 (in The Atlantic, of all places):
“When he makes claims like this, the press takes him
literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him
seriously, but not literally.”
I take him to enjoy triggering people. A man I can relate to.
The internet word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "troll." >>>>>
The everyday word for someone who enjoys triggering people is
"asshole."
See, I triggered Krygowski. He's really easy, but it's fun anyway.
QED! ;-)
Some very sensitive individuals are too easily triggered. The sticks
and stones lessons their mommies taught them never sank in.
On 6/16/2025 12:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 09:45:36 2025 John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
Trump says things purely to annoy people...
So, another asshole.
On 6/16/2025 10:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/16/2025 12:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 09:45:36 2025 John B.� wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember� Poland, September 1, 1939?
Trump says things purely to annoy people...
So, another asshole.
Trumps sole "contribution" to society at large was to give license to
raging assholes to be raging assholes - License which the dumbass and
kunich use on an hourly basis
On 6/16/2025 12:07 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:54:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/16/2025 11:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:03:14 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/16/2025 10:13 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 07:38:35 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]>
wrote:
The ever perspicacious Selena Zito elucidated that conundrum
in September of 2016 (in The Atlantic, of all places):
�When he makes claims like this, the press takes him
literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him
seriously, but not literally.�
I take him to enjoy triggering people. A man I can relate to.
The internet word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "troll." >>>>>>
The everyday word for someone who enjoys triggering people is
"asshole."
See, I triggered Krygowski. He's really easy, but it's fun anyway.
QED!� ;-)
Some very sensitive individuals are too easily triggered. The sticks
and stones lessons their mommies taught them never sank in.
Which explains why you've been behaving like a spoiled three-year-old
since you first darkened this forum.
On 6/16/2025 1:21 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 13:37:19 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/15/2025 1:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:19:18 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
cheers,
John B.
Closer to you and the latest in a current series:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-seizes-disputed-reef-near-014604004.html
Note that Sandy Cay has been claimed by 4 different countries (China, >>>> Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam). I expect to see more such
incidents. My guess(tm) is they take turns invading the island.
"Sandy Cay: China Blasts Philippines? Research Vessel with Water
Cannon | Taiwan Talks EP642" (Jun 4, 2025)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qflIsf_84zA>
Sandy Cay is not a pile of sand as some news photos seem to indicate: >>>> <https://amti.csis.org/sand-cay/>
"List of territorial disputes"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes>
Any one of these could escalate into yet another world war (that
nobody wants).
It's the latest in a series of reinforced/raised/improved
micro islands, shoals and reefs now featuring chinese
garrisons with secure fiber links, advanced radars and
anti-ship missiles.
https://warontherocks.com/2020/03/beyond-conventional-wisdom-evaluating-the-plas-south-china-sea-bases-in-operational-context/
note maps.
The Israelis and the Ukrainins have showed us what small countries can do to much larger.
Not remotely comparable, Ukraine is dwarfed by Russian in numbers and while it has been given some western kit, none of it is generally current technology.
Hence Russia is grinding Ukraine down
Iran has a mix of older designs such as the F14 Tomcat aka TopGun wee grain of truth! Its military are not going to go toe to toe with Israel and survive for long, hence its use of proxy groups and what is called asymmetrical warfare as it has little chance in a direct conflict.
Roger Merriman
+1
Hence Iranian missiles launched from occupied Yemen this
morning:
https://www.thestatesman.com/world/yemens-houthis-claim-responsibility-for-missile-attacks-towards-israel-in-past-24-hours-1503445859.html
On Mon Jun 16 14:03:58 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/16/2025 1:21 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 13:37:19 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/15/2025 1:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 12:19:18 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
cheers,
John B.
Closer to you and the latest in a current series:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-seizes-disputed-reef-near-014604004.html
Note that Sandy Cay has been claimed by 4 different countries (China, >>>>>> Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam). I expect to see more such
incidents. My guess(tm) is they take turns invading the island.
"Sandy Cay: China Blasts Philippines? Research Vessel with Water
Cannon | Taiwan Talks EP642" (Jun 4, 2025)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qflIsf_84zA>
Sandy Cay is not a pile of sand as some news photos seem to indicate: >>>>>> <https://amti.csis.org/sand-cay/>
"List of territorial disputes"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes>
Any one of these could escalate into yet another world war (that
nobody wants).
It's the latest in a series of reinforced/raised/improved
micro islands, shoals and reefs now featuring chinese
garrisons with secure fiber links, advanced radars and
anti-ship missiles.
https://warontherocks.com/2020/03/beyond-conventional-wisdom-evaluating-the-plas-south-china-sea-bases-in-operational-context/
note maps.
The Israelis and the Ukrainins have showed us what small countries can >>>> do to much larger.
Not remotely comparable, Ukraine is dwarfed by Russian in numbers and while >>> it has been given some western kit, none of it is generally current
technology.
Hence Russia is grinding Ukraine down
Iran has a mix of older designs such as the F14 Tomcat aka TopGun wee grain >>> of truth! Its military are not going to go toe to toe with Israel and
survive for long, hence its use of proxy groups and what is called
asymmetrical warfare as it has little chance in a direct conflict.
Roger Merriman
+1
Hence Iranian missiles launched from occupied Yemen this
morning:
https://www.thestatesman.com/world/yemens-houthis-claim-responsibility-for-missile-attacks-towards-israel-in-past-24-hours-1503445859.html
The newest drone strategy used by both the Ukrainians and Israeli's has changed the face of war. They no longer need large super sophisticated weapons to damage infrastructure to the point that response is not possible.
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas
pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed his attitudes.
I would say “maybe he has a brain tumor” that is the mystery illness everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don’t even think it’s that. I think, much like trump, he’s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving
Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some
shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>>>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>>>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed >>>> his attitudes.
I would say “maybe he has a brain tumor” that is the mystery illness >>>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don’t even think it’s that. I >>>> think, much like trump, he’s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant >>>> narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre
unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission
structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 >>>> years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person. >>>>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>>>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes >>>>> that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of >>>>> risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years >>>>> old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some >>>>> shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I’m seeing so many pictures of Putin in media recently, I am noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think…. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed >>> his attitudes.
I would say “maybe he has a brain tumor” that is the mystery illness >>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don’t even think it’s that. I >>> think, much like trump, he’s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant >>> narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre
unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission
structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 >>> years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person. >>>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some
shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>>>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>>>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed >>>> his attitudes.
I would say “maybe he has a brain tumor” that is the mystery illness >>>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don’t even think it’s that. I >>>> think, much like trump, he’s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant >>>> narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre
unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission
structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 >>>> years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person. >>>>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>>>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes >>>>> that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of >>>>> risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years >>>>> old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some >>>>> shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I’m seeing so many pictures of Putin in media recently, I am noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think…. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas
pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed
his attitudes.
I would say “maybe he has a brain tumor” that is the mystery illness
everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don’t even think it’s that. I
think, much like trump, he’s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant >> narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre
unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission
structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25
years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving
Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some
shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed >>> his attitudes.
I would say “maybe he has a brain tumor” that is the mystery illness >>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don’t even think it’s that. I >>> think, much like trump, he’s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant >>> narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre
unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission
structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 >>> years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person. >>>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some
shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Indeed I did hear some talk particularly as the Russians expected a short easy war if one at all, hence the mess they made in ten 1st year.
That Putin saw it as his ticket to a safe retirement that it would make him untouchable no risk of accidents or poisoning and so on.
He’s always been a deeply unpleasant person as far as I can tell.
Roger Merriman
On 6/28/2025 11:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
When Mr Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, Mr Obama
asked, "Crimea? Is that a CTA stop on the Blue Line?" and
otherwise moved on, not having done his homework:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/
Volume%203007/Part/ volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
Interesting phrasing. So you're imagining Obama, working
alone, pulling out a map to see where Crimea is? Maybe
flipping a coin to see if he should pay attention to that
incident or let it go?
I think it's much more complicated. I think that there would
be teams of intelligence strategists with long experience,
plus other expert military advisors and other qualified
advisors meeting among themselves and with Obama to discuss
matters and decide how to react.
And I think that unlike Trump, these people would not have
had to "juice up" their presentations to keep Obama focused
on the problem. They would not have to flatter Obama and
explain what's in it for him.
And their recommendations would be less likely to be
rejected because of Obama fantasizing that Putin was really
his friend, or because he believed he had looked into
Putin's soul.
Obama would also not be worried about kompromat, which I
believe Trump is.
On 6/28/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/28/2025 11:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
When Mr Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, Mr Obama
asked, "Crimea? Is that a CTA stop on the Blue Line?" and
otherwise moved on, not having done his homework:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/
Volume%203007/Part/ volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
Interesting phrasing. So you're imagining Obama, working
alone, pulling out a map to see where Crimea is? Maybe
flipping a coin to see if he should pay attention to that
incident or let it go?
I think it's much more complicated. I think that there would
be teams of intelligence strategists with long experience,
plus other expert military advisors and other qualified
advisors meeting among themselves and with Obama to discuss
matters and decide how to react.
And I think that unlike Trump, these people would not have
had to "juice up" their presentations to keep Obama focused
on the problem. They would not have to flatter Obama and
explain what's in it for him.
And their recommendations would be less likely to be
rejected because of Obama fantasizing that Putin was really
his friend, or because he believed he had looked into
Putin's soul.
Obama would also not be worried about kompromat, which I
believe Trump is.
An interesting take, but compare action in the various
situations.
Did you say 'compromised' ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8
And apparently the link to Mr Clinton's Ukraine Defense
Agreement from 1994 didn't work for you. Here is is again:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
Trumps sole "contribution" to society at large was to give license to
raging assholes to be raging assholes - License which the dumbass and
kunich use on an hourly basis
On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 06:04:19 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/16/2025 10:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/16/2025 12:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 09:45:36 2025 John B.? wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember? Poland, September 1, 1939?
Trump says things purely to annoy people...
So, another asshole.
Trumps sole "contribution" to society at large was to give license to >raging assholes to be raging assholes - License which the dumbass and >kunich use on an hourly basis
I know you're bitter about losing the White House, Junior, but isn't
it about time for your party to try to come up with something
constructive?
You'd think that persons of the Democrats pursuasion would have
figured out by now that the "we hate Trump and you should, too" tactic doesn't work.
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:21:16 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 16:06:33 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:45:36 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
Deja-vu all over again. Note this is nothing like the
Falklands war - territories disputed over centuries between one or
more countries.
//
Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with the
European kingdoms of Norway and Denmark for more than a millennium
//
This is fascism one oh one.
What next, a war in the middle east?
Whoever said that American Corporations want a third World War
is probably correct.
Just out of curiosity, are you aware that Iran has blankly stated that despite internationaol laws to the contrary that they were enriching uranium and that as soon as they had a bomb that they would use it on Israel?
No. I never, ever heard that. I heard Trump was negotiating
their use of atomic power. Israel violated dozens of international
laws in Iran and in Palestine.
Please cite your sources.
You seem to think that Israel should wait until they were a radioactive wasteland before doing anthing.
Rather a silly idea, to attack and massacre another country's
civilians (children included) "just in case they attack".
Iran has had missiles for decades, yet they didn't use them.
When a fight is inevitable you take the first punch. All of the targets of the Israeli's were military targets
Most people killed were civilians. Probably as many 6-7 year
old "military personnel" targets as in Gaza.
Religion.The Iranians have so far fired some 250 ICBM's at Israel and all at the civilian parts of the cities. Putin has offered safety to Komaeni. Like minds like to protect each other. But unless seriously provoked the Israeli's hesitate to interfere with
LOL ... so they DID have the missiles, and used them only in defense.... did you see how you contradicted yourself?
No?
Oh dear!
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone, and sometimes spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress of that war which is almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
On 6/16/2025 11:21 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 16:06:33 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:45:36 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
Deja-vu all over again. Note this is nothing like the
Falklands war - territories disputed over centuries between one or
more countries.
//
Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with the
European kingdoms of Norway and Denmark for more than a millennium
//
This is fascism one oh one.
What next, a war in the middle east?
Whoever said that American Corporations want a third World War
is probably correct.
their lives.Just out of curiosity, are you aware that Iran has blankly stated that despite internationaol laws to the contrary that they were enriching uranium and that as soon as they had a bomb that they would use it on Israel?
You seem to think that Israel should wait until they were a radioactive wasteland before doing anthing.
When a fight is inevitable you take the first punch. All of the targets of the Israeli's were military targets and the Iranian people have for decades now voiced concern over a religious extremist leadership and doing so in public has cost people
Religion.The Iranians have so far fired some 250 ICBM's at Israel and all at the civilian parts of the cities. Putin has offered safety to Komaeni. Like minds like to protect each other. But unless seriously provoked the Israeli's hesitate to interfere with
There's no such thing as 'international law'.
Maybe you meant violation of NNT? Iran signed in 1968 (under
a different administration) and is making noises about
perhaps withdrawing from that treaty (which they may do, as
they prefer).
On 6/16/2025 12:07 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:54:57 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/16/2025 11:10 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 11:03:14 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/16/2025 10:13 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 07:38:35 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]>
wrote:
The ever perspicacious Selena Zito elucidated that conundrum
in September of 2016 (in The Atlantic, of all places):
?When he makes claims like this, the press takes him
literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him
seriously, but not literally.?
I take him to enjoy triggering people. A man I can relate to.
The internet word for someone who enjoys triggering people is "troll." >>>>>
The everyday word for someone who enjoys triggering people is
"asshole."
See, I triggered Krygowski. He's really easy, but it's fun anyway.
QED! ;-)
Some very sensitive individuals are too easily triggered. The sticks
and stones lessons their mommies taught them never sank in.
Which explains why you've been behaving like a spoiled three-year-old
since you first darkened this forum.
Krygowski doesn't understand that his reactions to me and other
posters is how I've been evaluating his personality issues. His
childish insults and attempts to berate people confirm my first
impression of him.
Since he's extremely sensitive to that kind of thing, he cannot
understand how easily they roll off the back of emotionally secure individuals.
After I began highlighting his pathetic brags about non-bragworthy performances, he eased off on them a bit, so he can modify his
behavior to some extent.
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So
tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
On Mon Jun 16 12:33:22 2025 AMuzi wrote:their lives.
On 6/16/2025 11:21 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 16:06:33 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:45:36 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
Deja-vu all over again. Note this is nothing like the
Falklands war - territories disputed over centuries between one or
more countries.
//
Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with the
European kingdoms of Norway and Denmark for more than a millennium
//
This is fascism one oh one.
What next, a war in the middle east?
Whoever said that American Corporations want a third World War
is probably correct.
Just out of curiosity, are you aware that Iran has blankly stated that despite internationaol laws to the contrary that they were enriching uranium and that as soon as they had a bomb that they would use it on Israel?
You seem to think that Israel should wait until they were a radioactive wasteland before doing anthing.
When a fight is inevitable you take the first punch. All of the targets of the Israeli's were military targets and the Iranian people have for decades now voiced concern over a religious extremist leadership and doing so in public has cost people
Religion.
The Iranians have so far fired some 250 ICBM's at Israel and all at the civilian parts of the cities. Putin has offered safety to Komaeni. Like minds like to protect each other. But unless seriously provoked the Israeli's hesitate to interfere with
There's no such thing as 'international law'.
Maybe you meant violation of NNT? Iran signed in 1968 (under
a different administration) and is making noises about
perhaps withdrawing from that treaty (which they may do, as
they prefer).
All signatories to interfnational treaties AGREE to treat such treatis as LAW! Do you suppose that NATO invaded Iraq for producing p;oison gas and biological weapons for the fun of it?
On Mon Jun 16 22:14:13 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/16/2025 12:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 09:45:36 2025 John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
Trump says things purely to annoy people...
So, another asshole.
Frank, you make President Trump look like the nicest most reasonable personin the world. Why don't you call President Trump around those -people
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So
tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
Come on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was goingon around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So
tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
Come on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was going on around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know about it you got from books. Not that isn't a good source of information but don't pretend that being alive then meansthat you had more insight than anyone else from our generqation. Most Americans knew nothing except that Pearl Harbor was bombed. My father-in-law was on the Missouri and was lucky to be on deck duty when it capsized. And he didn't know shit about the
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 19:45:56 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So
tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
that you had more insight than anyone else from our generqation. Most Americans knew nothing except that Pearl Harbor was bombed. My father-in-law was on the Missouri and was lucky to be on deck duty when it capsized. And he didn't know shit about the
Come on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was going on around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know about it you got from books. Not that isn't a good source of information but don't pretend that being alive then means
I wasn't even born at the time, but I know the USS Missouri wasn't at
the Pearl Hatrbor attack. I wasn't even launched until 1944.
On 6/28/2025 2:00 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/28/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/28/2025 11:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
When Mr Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, Mr
Obama asked, "Crimea? Is that a CTA stop on the Blue
Line?" and otherwise moved on, not having done his
homework:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/
Volume%203007/Part/ volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
Interesting phrasing. So you're imagining Obama, working
alone, pulling out a map to see where Crimea is? Maybe
flipping a coin to see if he should pay attention to that
incident or let it go?
I think it's much more complicated. I think that there
would be teams of intelligence strategists with long
experience, plus other expert military advisors and other
qualified advisors meeting among themselves and with
Obama to discuss matters and decide how to react.
And I think that unlike Trump, these people would not
have had to "juice up" their presentations to keep Obama
focused on the problem. They would not have to flatter
Obama and explain what's in it for him.
And their recommendations would be less likely to be
rejected because of Obama fantasizing that Putin was
really his friend, or because he believed he had looked
into Putin's soul.
Obama would also not be worried about kompromat, which I
believe Trump is.
An interesting take, but compare action in the various
situations.
Did you say 'compromised' ?
No, I said "kompromat."
From the Oxford English Dictionary: "Kompromat: In (Russian
or Soviet) espionage: compromising information collected for
use in blackmailing, discrediting, or manipulating a person..."
... bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence ...
Of course. But it's cartoonishly simplistic to pretend that
Obama had "not done his homework." There were never any
allegations that he made decisions at random, as Mr. TACO
seems to have done repeatedly.
And he did have teams of competent advisors, as opposed to
media personalities who pretend to be experts or boot
lickers who will say exactly what he demands.
When you disagreed with Obama's ultimate decisions, it was
likely that people with much more information and experience
than you advised against your preferred path forward.
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 19:45:56 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>that you had more insight than anyone else from our generqation. Most Americans knew nothing except that Pearl Harbor was bombed. My father-in-law was on the Missouri and was lucky to be on deck duty when it capsized. And he didn't know shit about the
wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So
tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
Come on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was going on around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know about it you got from books. Not that isn't a good source of information but don't pretend that being alive then means
I wasn't even born at the time, but I know the USS Missouri wasn't at
the Pearl Hatrbor attack. I wasn't even launched until 1944.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:33:08 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Any more opinions such as the desires of the Greenlanders not counting?
They're Danish. They have free school, free medical aid, good
pensions and plenty of other social help. Denmark sends them lots of
aid.
They're happy. Let them be.
Americans would be the "illegal aliens" if they entered
without permission.
Next you'll be claiming the Canadians want Trump as president.
Look what happened to the right wing in Canada. It was destroyed. Not
a single Nazi left standing. LOL.
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 19:45:56 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So
tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
Come on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was goingon around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know
about it you got from books. Not that isn't a good source of
information but don't pretend that being alive then means that you had
more insight than anyone else from our generqation. Most Americans
knew nothing except that Pearl Harbor was bombed. My father-in-law was
on the Missouri and was lucky to be on deck duty when it capsized. And
he didn't know shit about the European theater except Hitler was an
asshole.
Nope, I distinctively remember that I was at some "church do" with my
mother when some woman came rushing in and said, "the Japanese have
just bombed Hawaii".
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed
his attitudes.
I would say ?maybe he has a brain tumor? that is the mystery illness
everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don?t even think it?s that. I
think, much like trump, he?s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly. <https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas
pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed his attitudes.
I would say ?maybe he has a brain tumor? that is the mystery illness everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is responsible for causing all this, but I don?t even think it?s that. I think, much like trump, he?s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving
Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some
shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed >> his attitudes.
I would say ?maybe he has a brain tumor? that is the mystery illness
everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don?t even think it?s that. I
think, much like trump, he?s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant >> narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre
unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission
structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 >> years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person. >>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some
shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
On 6/29/2025 5:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 19:45:56 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:I wasn't even born at the time, but I know the USS Missouri wasn't at
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II >>>>> and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So
tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
Come on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was going on
around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know about
it you got from books. Not that isn't a good source of information but
don't pretend that being alive then means that you had more insight
than anyone else from our generqation. Most Americans knew nothing
except that Pearl Harbor was bombed. My father-in-law was on the
Missouri and was lucky to be on deck duty when it capsized. And he
didn't know shit about the European theater except Hitler was an asshole. >>
the Pearl Hatrbor attack. I wasn't even launched until 1944.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1 yes to that and she was never capsized:
https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/ships/modern-ships/uss-missouri.html
On 6/27/2025 6:50 PM, marika wrote:
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>>>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>>>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed >>>> his attitudes.
I would say ?maybe he has a brain tumor? that is the mystery illness >>>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don?t even think it?s that. I >>>> think, much like trump, he?s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant >>>> narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre >>>> unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission >>>> structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 >>>> years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>>>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes >>>>> that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and >>>>> profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of >>>>> risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years >>>>> old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from >>>>> Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that >>>>> there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some >>>>> shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual. >>>>>
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I?m seeing so many pictures of Putin in media recently, I am noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think?. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
There have been a series of theories. I have no idea and
frankly amateur diagnosis based on photos is not compelling.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-health-dying-zelensky-34940672
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/29/2025 5:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 19:45:56 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:I wasn't even born at the time, but I know the USS Missouri wasn't at
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II >>>>>> and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So >>>>> tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
Come on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was going on
around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know about
it you got from books. Not that isn't a good source of information but >>>> don't pretend that being alive then means that you had more insight
than anyone else from our generqation. Most Americans knew nothing
except that Pearl Harbor was bombed. My father-in-law was on the
Missouri and was lucky to be on deck duty when it capsized. And he
didn't know shit about the European theater except Hitler was an asshole. >>>
the Pearl Hatrbor attack. I wasn't even launched until 1944.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1 yes to that and she was never capsized:
https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/ships/modern-ships/uss-missouri.html
Don’t think any of the Iowa class took any significant damage over their careers at war, Iowa had turret damage some point in the Cold War, but no evidence it was actions of foreign influence.
Possibly Tom has garbled the name of the ship I guess?
Roger Merriman
On 6/28/2025 11:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
When Mr Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, Mr Obama asked,
"Crimea? Is that a CTA stop on the Blue Line?" and otherwise moved on,
not having done his homework:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/ volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
Interesting phrasing. So you're imagining Obama, working alone, pulling
out a map to see where Crimea is? Maybe flipping a coin to see if he
should pay attention to that incident or let it go?
I think it's much more complicated. I think that there would be teams of intelligence strategists with long experience, plus other expert
military advisors and other qualified advisors meeting among themselves
and with Obama to discuss matters and decide how to react.
And I think that unlike Trump, these people would not have had to "juice
up" their presentations to keep Obama focused on the problem. They would
not have to flatter Obama and explain what's in it for him.
And their recommendations would be less likely to be rejected because of Obama fantasizing that Putin was really his friend, or because he
believed he had looked into Putin's soul.
Obama would also not be worried about kompromat, which I believe Trump is.
On 6/28/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/28/2025 11:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
When Mr Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, Mr Obama
asked, "Crimea? Is that a CTA stop on the Blue Line?" and
otherwise moved on, not having done his homework:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/
Volume%203007/Part/ volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
Interesting phrasing. So you're imagining Obama, working
alone, pulling out a map to see where Crimea is? Maybe
flipping a coin to see if he should pay attention to that
incident or let it go?
I think it's much more complicated. I think that there would
be teams of intelligence strategists with long experience,
plus other expert military advisors and other qualified
advisors meeting among themselves and with Obama to discuss
matters and decide how to react.
And I think that unlike Trump, these people would not have
had to "juice up" their presentations to keep Obama focused
on the problem. They would not have to flatter Obama and
explain what's in it for him.
And their recommendations would be less likely to be
rejected because of Obama fantasizing that Putin was really
his friend, or because he believed he had looked into
Putin's soul.
Obama would also not be worried about kompromat, which I
believe Trump is.
An interesting take, but compare action in the various
situations.
Did you say 'compromised' ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8
And apparently the link to Mr Clinton's Ukraine Defense
Agreement from 1994 didn't work for you. Here is is again:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
On Fri Jun 27 19:27:07 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/27/2025 6:50 PM, marika wrote:
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>>>>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>>>>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>>>>>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>>>>>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed >>>>>> his attitudes.
I would say ?maybe he has a brain tumor? that is the mystery illness >>>>>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don?t even think it?s that. I >>>>>> think, much like trump, he?s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant >>>>>> narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre >>>>>> unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission >>>>>> structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 >>>>>> years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>>>>>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes >>>>>>> that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and >>>>>>> profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of >>>>>>> risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years >>>>>>> old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from >>>>>>> Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that >>>>>>> there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some >>>>>>> shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual. >>>>>>>
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I?m seeing so many pictures of Putin in media recently, I am
noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think?. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
There have been a series of theories. I have no idea and
frankly amateur diagnosis based on photos is not compelling.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-health-dying-zelensky-34940672
Putin is an old man with lust for power. That he would try and hang onto it despite failing health could be likened to Biden as VP running against Trump and using election faud to obtain a so-called victory that became empty.
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/28/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/28/2025 11:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
When Mr Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, Mr Obama
asked, "Crimea? Is that a CTA stop on the Blue Line?" and
otherwise moved on, not having done his homework:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/
Volume%203007/Part/ volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
Interesting phrasing. So you're imagining Obama, working
alone, pulling out a map to see where Crimea is? Maybe
flipping a coin to see if he should pay attention to that
incident or let it go?
I think it's much more complicated. I think that there would
be teams of intelligence strategists with long experience,
plus other expert military advisors and other qualified
advisors meeting among themselves and with Obama to discuss
matters and decide how to react.
And I think that unlike Trump, these people would not have
had to "juice up" their presentations to keep Obama focused
on the problem. They would not have to flatter Obama and
explain what's in it for him.
And their recommendations would be less likely to be
rejected because of Obama fantasizing that Putin was really
his friend, or because he believed he had looked into
Putin's soul.
Obama would also not be worried about kompromat, which I
believe Trump is.
An interesting take, but compare action in the various
situations.
Did you say 'compromised' ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8
And apparently the link to Mr Clinton's Ukraine Defense
Agreement from 1994 didn't work for you. Here is is again:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
situation.
No, I said "kompromat."
From the Oxford English Dictionary: "Kompromat: In (Russian or Soviet) espionage: compromising information collected for use in blackmailing, discrediting, or manipulating a person..."
... bold position statements with no force applied is not effective and deteriorates deterrence ...
Of course. But it's cartoonishly simplistic to pretend that Obama had
"not done his homework." There were never any allegations that he made decisions at random, as Mr. TACO seems to have done repeatedly.
And he did have teams of competent advisors, as opposed to media personalities who pretend to be experts or boot lickers who will say
exactly what he demands.
When you disagreed with Obama's ultimate decisions, it was likely that
people with much more information and experience than you advised
against your preferred path forward.
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the
other government giveaways....
Maybe. Maybe not.
All countries abide by their treaties sometimes.
All countries break their treaties sometimes.
Some countries break every treaty they have ever written.
Great Britain entered the 1939 war by honoring their defense
treaty with Poland. That's true and honorable.
Trouble is, they had to defend Poland because Germany had
just invaded, breaking the fresh treaty Mr Chamberlain had
secured.
After The Great War, all countries had great trepidation
about phosgene, chlorine and mustard gas in warfare and all
had publicly sworn it off. They all signed new treaties
banning gas warfare. Then again, the horrors of gas
warfare, which were real and devastating to great numbers of
men, was already a violation of previous treaties before 1914.
In 1943, a German bomber pilot hit the USS John Harvey in
port at Bari Italy. It had been secretly loaded with 2,000
mustard gas bombs as we were prepared to counter any German
use of gas. (Germany had occupied Italy 2 months earlier),
US gas casualties were from our own weapons, not German gas
as Germany did not use gas in warfare, only for civilians.
https://www.history.com/articles/wwii-disaster-bari-mustard-gas
Which is why I wrote here recently that there is no such
thing as 'international law'. It's a delusion, as Mr
Selassie showed clearly.
As has been said before, 'Nations have interests. They do
not have principles.'
On Sat Jun 28 15:02:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
Maybe. Maybe not.
All countries abide by their treaties sometimes.
All countries break their treaties sometimes.
Some countries break every treaty they have ever written.
Great Britain entered the 1939 war by honoring their defense
treaty with Poland. That's true and honorable.
Trouble is, they had to defend Poland because Germany had
just invaded, breaking the fresh treaty Mr Chamberlain had
secured.
After The Great War, all countries had great trepidation
about phosgene, chlorine and mustard gas in warfare and all
had publicly sworn it off. They all signed new treaties
banning gas warfare. Then again, the horrors of gas
warfare, which were real and devastating to great numbers of
men, was already a violation of previous treaties before 1914.
In 1943, a German bomber pilot hit the USS John Harvey in
port at Bari Italy. It had been secretly loaded with 2,000
mustard gas bombs as we were prepared to counter any German
use of gas. (Germany had occupied Italy 2 months earlier),
US gas casualties were from our own weapons, not German gas
as Germany did not use gas in warfare, only for civilians.
https://www.history.com/articles/wwii-disaster-bari-mustard-gas
Which is why I wrote here recently that there is no such
thing as 'international law'. It's a delusion, as Mr
Selassie showed clearly.
As has been said before, 'Nations have interests. They do
not have principles.'
Andrew, do notg some Americans obey the law and some ignore the law? The world has advanced to this state because MOST countries have principles. Why did the USA enter WW II in Europe?
On 6/29/2025 11:58 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri Jun 27 19:27:07 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/27/2025 6:50 PM, marika wrote:
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas
pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be >>>>>>> sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed
his attitudes.
I would say ?maybe he has a brain tumor? that is the mystery illness >>>>>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is >>>>>> responsible for causing all this, but I don?t even think it?s that. I >>>>>> think, much like trump, he?s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant
narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre >>>>>> unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission >>>>>> structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25
years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving
Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes >>>>>>> that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and >>>>>>> profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of >>>>>>> risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years >>>>>>> old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from >>>>>>> Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that >>>>>>> there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was >>>>>>> expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some >>>>>>> shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual. >>>>>>>
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I?m seeing so many pictures of Putin in media recently, I am
noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think?. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
There have been a series of theories. I have no idea and
frankly amateur diagnosis based on photos is not compelling.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-health-dying-zelensky-34940672
Putin is an old man with lust for power. That he would try and hang onto it despite failing health could be likened to Biden as VP running against Trump and using election faud to obtain a so-called victory that became empty.
Mr Putin is a 1952 model.
Who you calling 'old' ??
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 19:45:56 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So
tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
that you had more insight than anyone else from our generqation. Most Americans knew nothing except that Pearl Harbor was bombed. My father-in-law was on the Missouri and was lucky to be on deck duty when it capsized. And he didn't know shit about theCome on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was going on around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know about it you got from books. Not that isn't a good source of information but don't pretend that being alive then means
I wasn't even born at the time, but I know the USS Missouri wasn't at
the Pearl Hatrbor attack. I wasn't even launched until 1944.
He threatened to use the military.
Then he tried to bully Denmark's Prime Minister. Pedophiles
tend to mistreat women. He got a very polite GFY in return.
Wondering why you're missing all the real news. It can be
amusing.
[]'s
Removed OT rambling about fighting extraterrestrials and
pardoning hardened criminals being GOOD things.
On 6/29/2025 1:52 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Jun 28 15:02:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
Maybe. Maybe not.
All countries abide by their treaties sometimes.
All countries break their treaties sometimes.
Some countries break every treaty they have ever written.
Great Britain entered the 1939 war by honoring their defense
treaty with Poland. That's true and honorable.
Trouble is, they had to defend Poland because Germany had
just invaded, breaking the fresh treaty Mr Chamberlain had
secured.
After The Great War, all countries had great trepidation
about phosgene, chlorine and mustard gas in warfare and all
had publicly sworn it off. They all signed new treaties
banning gas warfare. Then again, the horrors of gas
warfare, which were real and devastating to great numbers of
men, was already a violation of previous treaties before 1914.
In 1943, a German bomber pilot hit the USS John Harvey in
port at Bari Italy. It had been secretly loaded with 2,000
mustard gas bombs as we were prepared to counter any German
use of gas. (Germany had occupied Italy 2 months earlier),
US gas casualties were from our own weapons, not German gas
as Germany did not use gas in warfare, only for civilians.
https://www.history.com/articles/wwii-disaster-bari-mustard-gas
Which is why I wrote here recently that there is no such
thing as 'international law'. It's a delusion, as Mr
Selassie showed clearly.
As has been said before, 'Nations have interests. They do
not have principles.'
Andrew, do notg some Americans obey the law and some ignore the law? The world has advanced to this state because MOST countries have principles. Why did the USA enter WW II in Europe?
Easy.
Because Germany declared war on us, 8 December, 1941.
On Sun Jun 29 06:56:37 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:means that you had more insight than anyone else from our generqation. Most Americans knew nothing except that Pearl Harbor was bombed. My father-in-law was on the Missouri and was lucky to be on deck duty when it capsized. And he didn't know shit about
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 19:45:56 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So
tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
Come on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was going on around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know about it you got from books. Not that isn't a good source of information but don't pretend that being alive then
I wasn't even born at the time, but I know the USS Missouri wasn't at
the Pearl Hatrbor attack. I wasn't even launched until 1944.
My mistake, I mean the Oklahoma, in any case he ended up on an AA on the Arizona which was quite a distance away. He never managed to explain how he got that far away from his Battleship. Perhaps he was blown that far and was too stunned to remember.
On Sun Jun 29 14:37:22 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/29/2025 1:52 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Jun 28 15:02:00 2025 AMuzi wrote:
Maybe. Maybe not.
All countries abide by their treaties sometimes.
All countries break their treaties sometimes.
Some countries break every treaty they have ever written.
Great Britain entered the 1939 war by honoring their defense
treaty with Poland. That's true and honorable.
Trouble is, they had to defend Poland because Germany had
just invaded, breaking the fresh treaty Mr Chamberlain had
secured.
After The Great War, all countries had great trepidation
about phosgene, chlorine and mustard gas in warfare and all
had publicly sworn it off. They all signed new treaties
banning gas warfare. Then again, the horrors of gas
warfare, which were real and devastating to great numbers of
men, was already a violation of previous treaties before 1914.
In 1943, a German bomber pilot hit the USS John Harvey in
port at Bari Italy. It had been secretly loaded with 2,000
mustard gas bombs as we were prepared to counter any German
use of gas. (Germany had occupied Italy 2 months earlier),
US gas casualties were from our own weapons, not German gas
as Germany did not use gas in warfare, only for civilians.
https://www.history.com/articles/wwii-disaster-bari-mustard-gas
Which is why I wrote here recently that there is no such
thing as 'international law'. It's a delusion, as Mr
Selassie showed clearly.
As has been said before, 'Nations have interests. They do
not have principles.'
Andrew, do notg some Americans obey the law and some ignore the law? The world has advanced to this state because MOST countries have principles. Why did the USA enter WW II in Europe?
Easy.
Because Germany declared war on us, 8 December, 1941.
The American people were completely against a war in Europe. And there were NO German ships of war that could effectively attack America. Any such proclamations by the Germans were hollow in the extreme. While no doubt if German u-boats had attackedAmerican passenger liners no doubt that would have changed public opinion, it is VERY doubtful that German officers would have allowed that.
On Sat Jun 28 17:30:21 2025 John B. wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the
other government giveaways....
John, please give us the definition of communism.
On 6/29/2025 8:01 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 20:32:36 GMT, cyclintom
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun Jun 29 13:19:27 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/29/2025 11:58 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri Jun 27 19:27:07 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/27/2025 6:50 PM, marika wrote:
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday
criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as
he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs
the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security
reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland
by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US.
I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks
in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy
hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might
take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend
Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to
bomb the natural gas
pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark
strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some
illness that has changed
his attitudes.
I would say ?maybe he has a brain tumor? that is
the mystery illness
everyone has been imagining he has for the past
few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don?t even
think it?s that. I
think, much like trump, he?s just an evil
sociopathic sadistic malignant
narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head.
They both do bizarre
unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he
has the permission
structure now to display and get away with
unthinkable things, unlike 25
years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a
more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for
concessions involving
Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend
the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-
card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-
maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the
US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps
pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my
father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He,
and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few
people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany.
Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of
military power, some
shuffling of elected officials, and then back to
business as usual.
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to
be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian
citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That
sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I?m seeing so many pictures of Putin in
media recently, I am
noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish
head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think?. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin
head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
There have been a series of theories. I have no idea and
frankly amateur diagnosis based on photos is not
compelling.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-
putin-health-dying-zelensky-34940672
Putin is an old man with lust for power. That he would
try and hang onto it despite failing health could be
likened to Biden as VP running against Trump and using
election faud to obtain a so-called victory that became
empty.
Mr Putin is a 1952 model.
Who you calling 'old' ??
Andrew! Putin is 4 years past the average age expectancy
in Russia! Do not compare other countries to the US.
Putin is 72 years old average life time is 72.55 in Russia.
Trump is 79 and average life is 77.43
And Tom seems to be displaying total ignorance of what
"average" means, and of the nature of the bell curve.
On 6/29/2025 3:41 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 29 06:56:37 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 19:45:56 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW >>>>>> II and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you
an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So >>>>> tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
Come on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was going on
around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know
about it you got from books. Not that isn't a good source of
information but don't pretend that being alive then means that you
had more insight than anyone else from our generqation. Most
Americans knew nothing except that Pearl Harbor was bombed. My
father-in-law was on the Missouri and was lucky to be on deck duty
when it capsized. And he didn't know shit about the European theater
except Hitler was an asshole.
I wasn't even born at the time, but I know the USS Missouri wasn't at
the Pearl Hatrbor attack. I wasn't even launched until 1944.
My mistake, I mean the Oklahoma, in any case he ended up on an AA on
the Arizona which was quite a distance away. He never managed to
explain how he got that far away from his Battleship. Perhaps he was
blown that far and was too stunned to remember.
??
USS Arizona is at the bottom of the harbor and sank very quickly.
On 6/28/2025 1:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jun 16 12:33:22 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/16/2025 11:21 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jun 15 16:06:33 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:45:36 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically
located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has
refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
Deja-vu all over again. Note this is nothing like the
Falklands war - territories disputed over centuries between one or
more countries.
//
Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with the
European kingdoms of Norway and Denmark for more than a millennium
//
This is fascism one oh one.
What next, a war in the middle east?
Whoever said that American Corporations want a third World War >>>>> is probably correct.
Just out of curiosity, are you aware that Iran has blankly stated
that despite internationaol laws to the contrary that they were
enriching uranium and that as soon as they had a bomb that they
would use it on Israel?
You seem to think that Israel should wait until they were a
radioactive wasteland before doing anthing.
When a fight is inevitable you take the first punch. All of the
targets of the Israeli's were military targets and the Iranian
people have for decades now voiced concern over a religious
extremist leadership and doing so in public has cost people their
lives.
The Iranians have so far fired some 250 ICBM's at Israel and all at
the civilian parts of the cities. Putin has offered safety to
Komaeni. Like minds like to protect each other. But unless seriously
provoked the Israeli's hesitate to interfere with Religion.
There's no such thing as 'international law'.
Maybe you meant violation of NNT? Iran signed in 1968 (under
a different administration) and is making noises about
perhaps withdrawing from that treaty (which they may do, as
they prefer).
All signatories to interfnational treaties AGREE to treat such treatis
as LAW! Do you suppose that NATO invaded Iraq for producing p;oison
gas and biological weapons for the fun of it?
Maybe. Maybe not.
All countries abide by their treaties sometimes.
All countries break their treaties sometimes.
Some countries break every treaty they have ever written.
Great Britain entered the 1939 war by honoring their defense treaty with Poland. That's true and honorable.
Trouble is, they had to defend Poland because Germany had just invaded, breaking the fresh treaty Mr Chamberlain had secured.
After The Great War, all countries had great trepidation about phosgene, chlorine and mustard gas in warfare and all had publicly sworn it off.
They all signed new treaties banning gas warfare. Then again, the
horrors of gas warfare, which were real and devastating to great numbers
of men, was already a violation of previous treaties before 1914.
In 1943, a German bomber pilot hit the USS John Harvey in port at Bari Italy. It had been secretly loaded with 2,000 mustard gas bombs as we
were prepared to counter any German use of gas. (Germany had occupied
Italy 2 months earlier), US gas casualties were from our own weapons,
not German gas as Germany did not use gas in warfare, only for civilians.
https://www.history.com/articles/wwii-disaster-bari-mustard-gas
Which is why I wrote here recently that there is no such thing as 'international law'. It's a delusion, as Mr Selassie showed clearly.
As has been said before, 'Nations have interests. They do not have principles.'
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone, and sometimes
spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress of that war which is >> almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the war in the Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream media misreporting it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a draft and put untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result. Russia is no longer a super power other than in name alone.
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most bizarre lock-down possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers shut and they could
not get out to shop and apparently the already aging population of China under their "one child only" policy has virtually destroyed China.
Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their attempt to make a
bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was traffic jams there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this was nothing more than propaganda but looking at so many photos of present day China simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets, apartment blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time turn bak to the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they like them, At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where forxe is necessary.
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran moved the enriched Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES were destroyed and the enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the Israelis who would be the first targets.
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great deal less serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that while Flunky, Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone, and sometimes
spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress of that war which is >>> almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the war in the Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream media misreporting it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a draft and put untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result. Russia is no longer a
super power other than in name alone.
Russian army is loosing men at a rate but it is slowly gaining ground, is
it impressive no, but it�s enough to be pushing Ukrainian army back, due to >nature of that war and all that.
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most bizarre lock-down
possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers shut and they could
not get out to shop and apparently the already aging population of China
under their "one child only" policy has virtually destroyed China.
Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their attempt to make a
bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was traffic jams there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this was nothing more than
propaganda but looking at so many photos of present day China simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets, apartment blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time turn bak to the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they like them, At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where forxe is necessary.
Where on earth to do get your �news� from!
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran moved the enriched
Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES were destroyed and the
enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the Israelis who would be the first targets.
See above Uk media is very reporting that we don�t know, if the facility�s >are sufficiently damaged to prevent more enrichment, and certainly unknown >where the enriched uranium is located.
So at best maybe it�s delayed, and is generally a dangerous situation.
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great deal less serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that while Flunky, Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
The Middle East has wars/conflict in multiple countries and the US has been >involved in a number of these conflicts, just this year this said I think
the US has been reacting rather than any planned. But it�s not by any
measure peaceful nor a signs that its getting better, again where are you >getting your news from?
Roger Merriman
On 30 Jun 2025 15:26:15 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone, and sometimes
spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress of that war which is >>>> almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the war in the Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream media misreporting it. >>> But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a draft and put untrained >>> 17 year olds in the field with the expected result. Russia is no longer a >>> super power other than in name alone.
Russian army is loosing men at a rate but it is slowly gaining ground, is
it impressive no, but it’s enough to be pushing Ukrainian army back, due to
nature of that war and all that.
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most bizarre lock-down
possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers shut and they could >>> not get out to shop and apparently the already aging population of China >>> under their "one child only" policy has virtually destroyed China.
Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their attempt to make a
bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was traffic jams there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this was nothing more than >>> propaganda but looking at so many photos of present day China simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets, apartment blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time turn bak to the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they like them, At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where forxe is necessary.
Where on earth to do get your “news” from!
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran moved the enriched >>> Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES were destroyed and the >>> enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the Israelis who would be the first targets.
See above Uk media is very reporting that we don’t know, if the facility’s
are sufficiently damaged to prevent more enrichment, and certainly unknown >> where the enriched uranium is located.
So at best maybe it’s delayed, and is generally a dangerous situation.
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great deal less serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that while Flunky, Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
The Middle East has wars/conflict in multiple countries and the US has been >> involved in a number of these conflicts, just this year this said I think
the US has been reacting rather than any planned. But it’s not by any
measure peaceful nor a signs that its getting better, again where are you
getting your news from?
Roger Merriman
From what I've read, the planning for that bombing has been going on
for 15 years. The bombs were designed and developed for that specific
attack. The enriched uranium is more dangerous to it's handlers than
to anyone else, since it's a long way away from being a bomb.
Where on earth to do get your “news” from!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 6/28/2025 4:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/28/2025 2:00 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/28/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/28/2025 11:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
When Mr Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, Mr Obama asked,
"Crimea? Is that a CTA stop on the Blue Line?" and otherwise moved
on, not having done his homework:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/ Volume%203007/Part/
volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
Interesting phrasing. So you're imagining Obama, working alone,
pulling out a map to see where Crimea is? Maybe flipping a coin to
see if he should pay attention to that incident or let it go?
I think it's much more complicated. I think that there would be
teams of intelligence strategists with long experience, plus other
expert military advisors and other qualified advisors meeting among
themselves and with Obama to discuss matters and decide how to react.
And I think that unlike Trump, these people would not have had to
"juice up" their presentations to keep Obama focused on the problem.
They would not have to flatter Obama and explain what's in it for him. >>>>
And their recommendations would be less likely to be rejected
because of Obama fantasizing that Putin was really his friend, or
because he believed he had looked into Putin's soul.
Obama would also not be worried about kompromat, which I believe
Trump is.
An interesting take, but compare action in the various situations.
Did you say 'compromised' ?
No, I said "kompromat."
From the Oxford English Dictionary: "Kompromat: In (Russian or
Soviet) espionage: compromising information collected for use in
blackmailing, discrediting, or manipulating a person..."
... bold position statements with no force applied is not effective
and deteriorates deterrence ...
Of course. But it's cartoonishly simplistic to pretend that Obama had
"not done his homework." There were never any allegations that he made
decisions at random, as Mr. TACO seems to have done repeatedly.
And he did have teams of competent advisors, as opposed to media
personalities who pretend to be experts or boot lickers who will say
exactly what he demands.
When you disagreed with Obama's ultimate decisions, it was likely that
people with much more information and experience than you advised
against your preferred path forward.
"not done his homework" was the most charitable way I could describe his breaking Mr Clinton's Ukraine Defense Agreement after having told Mr
Medvedev "Tell Vladmir I can be more flexible after my election."
kompromat indeed.
Every administration has advisors and analysts with various skills and indeologies. The decision to toss Ukraine over was Mr Obama's alone.
Which par of that was in the interest of US citizens?
How did it
enhance US deterrence to our adversaries or reliability to our allies?
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone, and sometimes
spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress of that war which is >>> almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the war in the Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream media misreporting it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a draft and put untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result. Russia is no longer a
super power other than in name alone.
Russian army is loosing men at a rate but it is slowly gaining ground, is
it impressive no, but it’s enough to be pushing Ukrainian army back, due to nature of that war and all that.
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most bizarre lock-down
possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers shut and they could
not get out to shop and apparently the already aging population of China
under their "one child only" policy has virtually destroyed China.
Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their attempt to make a
bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was traffic jams there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this was nothing more than
propaganda but looking at so many photos of present day China simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets, apartment blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time turn bak to the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they like them, At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where forxe is necessary.
Where on earth to do get your “news” from!
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran moved the enriched
Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES were destroyed and the
enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the Israelis who would be the first targets.
See above Uk media is very reporting that we don’t know, if the facility’s
are sufficiently damaged to prevent more enrichment, and certainly unknown where the enriched uranium is located.
So at best maybe it’s delayed, and is generally a dangerous situation.
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great deal less serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that while Flunky, Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
The Middle East has wars/conflict in multiple countries and the US has been involved in a number of these conflicts, just this year this said I think
the US has been reacting rather than any planned. But it’s not by any measure peaceful nor a signs that its getting better, again where are you getting your news from?
Roger Merriman
On 6/28/2025 9:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
When Mr Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, Mr Obama asked,
Indeed I did hear some talk particularly as the Russians expected a short
easy war if one at all, hence the mess they made in ten 1st year.
That Putin saw it as his ticket to a safe retirement that it would
make him
untouchable no risk of accidents or poisoning and so on.
He’s always been a deeply unpleasant person as far as I can tell.
Roger Merriman
"Crimea? Is that a CTA stop on the Blue Line?" and otherwise moved on,
not having done his homework:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/ volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
When Mr Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022, Mr Biden said, "Well, that's
nice, if it's a minor invasion."
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-suggests-russia-no-punishment- minor-ukraine-invasion-wh-clarify-2022-1?op=1
And denied air support at the critical first breach with Russian armor.
It's still "minor", with only 20% of Ukraine occupied.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-fact-sheet- february-21-2025
And casualties are so far something just over a million. Which is minor, because Ukraine is roughly 39 million and Russia roughly 144 million
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/
As Mr Biden noted, a loss of only 0.55% of both populations doesn't
extend beyond 'minor'.
On 6/29/2025 11:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/29/2025 5:56 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 19:45:56 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 01:02:41 2025 John B. wrote:I wasn't even born at the time, but I know the USS Missouri wasn't at
On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 16:27:20 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry John, but you have no idea whatsoever about the leadup to WW II >>>>>>> and I don't think that your reading of some book is giving you an accurate aspect.
Well, I was watching when the war started while you didn't exist. So >>>>>> tell us about all your knowledge of WW II.
Come on John, you weren't old enough to understand what was going on >>>>> around you. Vietnam sure, but WW II? Not a chance. All you know about >>>>> it you got from books. Not that isn't a good source of information but >>>>> don't pretend that being alive then means that you had more insight
than anyone else from our generqation. Most Americans knew nothing
except that Pearl Harbor was bombed. My father-in-law was on the
Missouri and was lucky to be on deck duty when it capsized. And he
didn't know shit about the European theater except Hitler was an asshole. >>>>
the Pearl Hatrbor attack. I wasn't even launched until 1944.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1 yes to that and she was never capsized:
https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/ships/modern-ships/uss-missouri.html
Don’t think any of the Iowa class took any significant damage over their >> careers at war, Iowa had turret damage some point in the Cold War, but no
evidence it was actions of foreign influence.
Possibly Tom has garbled the name of the ship I guess?
Roger Merriman
USS Wisconsin (same Iowa class) took fire, with 3 sailors
injured, by some smartass NORK artillery unit. She returned
fire with all her 16 inch guns and obliterated the area.
https://worldwarwings.com/after-getting-hit-uss-wisconsin-obliterated-troops-prompting-response-of-temper-temper/
On 6/30/2025 11:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone, and
sometimes
spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress of
that war which is
almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the war
in the Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream media
misreporting it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a draft
and put untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result.
Russia is no longer a
super power other than in name alone.
Russian army is loosing men at a rate but it is slowly
gaining ground, is
it impressive no, but it’s enough to be pushing Ukrainian
army back, due to
nature of that war and all that.
From Andrews earlier link: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-fact- sheet-february-21-2025
"Ukraine has not suffered "millions" of losses by any
reliable estimate, either in terms of civilian or military
casualties.
Zelensky stated on February 16, 2025, that Russia has killed
46,000 Ukrainian soldiers since the start of the full-scale
invasion, and that Ukraine has suffered over 390,000
soldiers wounded in action.[8]
US officials have placed the number of Ukrainian military
losses between 60,000 and 70,000, but no reputable source
places casualty estimates near or in the millions.[9]
The UN confirmed that Russia had killed over 12,000
Ukrainian civilians as of the end of 2024.[10]"
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most
bizarre lock-down
possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers
shut and they could
not get out to shop and apparently the already aging
population of China
under their "one child only" policy has virtually
destroyed China.
Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their attempt
to make a
bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was
traffic jams there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this was
nothing more than
propaganda but looking at so many photos of present day
China simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets,
apartment blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time turn
bak to the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they like
them, At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where forxe
is necessary.
Where on earth to do get your “news” from!
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran
moved the enriched
Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES were
destroyed and the
enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the Israelis
who would be the first targets.
See above Uk media is very reporting that we don’t know,
if the facility’s
are sufficiently damaged to prevent more enrichment, and
certainly unknown
where the enriched uranium is located.
So at best maybe it’s delayed, and is generally a
dangerous situation.
The Middle East has wars/conflict in multiple countries
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great deal
less serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that while
Flunky, Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
and the US has been
involved in a number of these conflicts, just this year
this said I think
the US has been reacting rather than any planned. But it’s
not by any
measure peaceful nor a signs that its getting better,
again where are you
getting your news from?
Roger Merriman
On 6/30/2025 11:40 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone, and sometimes
spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress of that war
which is
almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the war in the Ukraine >>>> and the Biden administration and the slime stream media misreporting
it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a draft and put
untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result. Russia is no
longer a
super power other than in name alone.
Russian army is loosing men at a rate but it is slowly gaining
ground, is
it impressive no, but it’s enough to be pushing Ukrainian army back,
due to
nature of that war and all that.
From Andrews earlier link:
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-fact- sheet-
february-21-2025
"Ukraine has not suffered "millions" of losses by any reliable
estimate, either in terms of civilian or military casualties.
Zelensky stated on February 16, 2025, that Russia has killed 46,000
Ukrainian soldiers since the start of the full-scale invasion, and
that Ukraine has suffered over 390,000 soldiers wounded in action.[8]
US officials have placed the number of Ukrainian military losses
between 60,000 and 70,000, but no reputable source places casualty
estimates near or in the millions.[9]
The UN confirmed that Russia had killed over 12,000 Ukrainian
civilians as of the end of 2024.[10]"
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most bizarre lock-down >>>> possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers shut and they
could
not get out to shop and apparently the already aging population of
China
under their "one child only" policy has virtually destroyed China.
Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their attempt to make a
bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was traffic jams there >>>> is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this was nothing more
than
propaganda but looking at so many photos of present day China simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets, apartment
blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time turn bak to the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they like them, At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where forxe is necessary.
Where on earth to do get your “news” from!
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran moved the
enriched
Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES were destroyed
and the
enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the Israelis who would be
the first targets.
See above Uk media is very reporting that we don’t know, if the
facility’s
are sufficiently damaged to prevent more enrichment, and certainly
unknown
where the enriched uranium is located.
So at best maybe it’s delayed, and is generally a dangerous situation. >>>>
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great deal less serious >>>> and you have President Trump to thank for that while Flunky, Krygowski >>>> and Lievermann cry about that fact.The Middle East has wars/conflict in multiple countries and the US
has been
involved in a number of these conflicts, just this year this said I
think
the US has been reacting rather than any planned. But it’s not by any
measure peaceful nor a signs that its getting better, again where are
you
getting your news from?
Roger Merriman
Thank you.
I had perused a few sites and conflated casualties and deaths, apparently.
So we agree with Mr Biden. It's minor.
Frank, you make President Trump look like the nicest most reasonable person in the world.
On 6/28/2025 9:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:When Mr Putin seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, Mr Obama
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>>>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>>>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed >>>> his attitudes.
I would say �maybe he has a brain tumor� that is the mystery illness
everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don�t even think it�s that. I
think, much like trump, he�s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant >>>> narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre
unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission
structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 >>>> years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person. >>>>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>>>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes >>>>> that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and
profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of >>>>> risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years >>>>> old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from
Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that
there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some >>>>> shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual.
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Indeed I did hear some talk particularly as the Russians expected a short
easy war if one at all, hence the mess they made in ten 1st year.
That Putin saw it as his ticket to a safe retirement that it would make him >> untouchable no risk of accidents or poisoning and so on.
He�s always been a deeply unpleasant person as far as I can tell.
Roger Merriman
asked, "Crimea? Is that a CTA stop on the Blue Line?" and
otherwise moved on, not having done his homework:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
When Mr Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022, Mr Biden said, "Well,
that's nice, if it's a minor invasion."
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-suggests-russia-no-punishment-minor-ukraine-invasion-wh-clarify-2022-1?op=1
And denied air support at the critical first breach with
Russian armor. It's still "minor", with only 20% of Ukraine
occupied.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-fact-sheet-february-21-2025
And casualties are so far something just over a million.
Which is minor, because Ukraine is roughly 39 million and
Russia roughly 144 million
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/
As Mr Biden noted, a loss of only 0.55% of both populations
doesn't extend beyond 'minor'.
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
situation.
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the
other government giveaways....
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking"
<https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of
bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
Ick lol
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking" ><https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of >bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?" ><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 01:04:43 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking"
<https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of
bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
Ick lol
Thou shall not abrev.
Sawdust and tree dust are plant based and organic. No chemicals, no >preservatives, nothing made in a chem lab, etc. Seems like a good
start for the next health fad.
If sawdust is not to your liking, here are some other options:
"10 dangerous things in Victorian/Edwardian homes" ><https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-25259505>
"Bread was adulterated with plaster of Paris, bean flour, chalk or
alum."
Back to stacking another cord of firewood. ><https://photos.app.goo.gl/47NPs5YQAt4k9yDW7>--
I'll save some sawdust for whomever wants to try my secret sawdust
recipe. 60% white oak, 30% madrone, 10% douglas fir. The sawdust is
free, but you pay for the shipping.
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:02:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking" >><https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of >>bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?" >><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
Tell us more... I've been eating bread for years, both as commercial
and home made, and so far I've never found any made from wood.
I'm pretty that my mother or grandmother(s) was not using sawdust so
can an industrial maker be identified?
On 6/30/2025 9:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 01:04:43 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
Ick lol
Thou shall not abrev.
But "abbreviate" is such a long word!
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 20:01:48 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:02:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking" >>><https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of >>>bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?" >>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
Tell us more... I've been eating bread for years, both as commercial
and home made, and so far I've never found any made from wood.
Well, I could introduce you to the local bagel bakery, which after
sitting for one day, produces bagels that require a table saw or band
saw to slice. Whatever the recipe, anything that hard is probably
made from wood.
At the other extreme, another local bakery makes Aerogel bread, which
is extremely light because it's up to 99.8% gas. ><https://www.graphene-x.com/blogs/stories/aerogel-the-worlds-lightest-solid> >It probably doesn't contain any sawdust but whatever holds it together
is obviously not made from wheat flower.
If you want wooden bread, there are these things: ><https://www.amazon.com/Unfinished-Wood-Bread-Shape-Craft/dp/B0CLHKJH58>
I don't believe they are made to be eaten, but their existence does
suggest that they might be edible.
I'm pretty that my mother or grandmother(s) was not using sawdust so
can an industrial maker be identified?
I don't think so. The recipe is likely a trade secret.
In Matthew 4:4 "It is written and forever remains written, 'Man
shall not live by bread alone...'" which commands that if you want
something that tastes better than prison rations, please add some
topping, spices, salads, meats, etc. ><https://www.google.com/search?q=ultimate%20sandwich&udm=2> ><https://www.google.com/search?q=ai%20sandwich&num=10&udm=2>
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would
have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 20:01:48 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:02:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking" >>><https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of >>>bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?" >>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
Tell us more... I've been eating bread for years, both as commercial
and home made, and so far I've never found any made from wood.
Well, I could introduce you to the local bagel bakery, which after
sitting for one day, produces bagels that require a table saw or band
saw to slice. Whatever the recipe, anything that hard is probably
made from wood.
At the other extreme, another local bakery makes Aerogel bread, which
is extremely light because it's up to 99.8% gas. ><https://www.graphene-x.com/blogs/stories/aerogel-the-worlds-lightest-solid> >It probably doesn't contain any sawdust but whatever holds it together
is obviously not made from wheat flower.
If you want wooden bread, there are these things: ><https://www.amazon.com/Unfinished-Wood-Bread-Shape-Craft/dp/B0CLHKJH58>
I don't believe they are made to be eaten, but their existence does
suggest that they might be edible.
I'm pretty that my mother or grandmother(s) was not using sawdust so
can an industrial maker be identified?
I don't think so. The recipe is likely a trade secret.
In Matthew 4:4 "It is written and forever remains written, 'Man
shall not live by bread alone...'" which commands that if you want
something that tastes better than prison rations, please add some
topping, spices, salads, meats, etc. ><https://www.google.com/search?q=ultimate%20sandwich&udm=2> ><https://www.google.com/search?q=ai%20sandwich&num=10&udm=2>
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would
have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
On 6/30/2025 1:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:40 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone,
and sometimes
spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress
of that war which is
almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the war
in the Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream media
misreporting it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers
making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a draft
and put untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result.
Russia is no longer a
super power other than in name alone.
Russian army is loosing men at a rate but it is slowly
gaining ground, is
it impressive no, but it’s enough to be pushing
Ukrainian army back, due to
nature of that war and all that.
From Andrews earlier link:
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-
fact- sheet- february-21-2025
"Ukraine has not suffered "millions" of losses by any
reliable estimate, either in terms of civilian or
military casualties.
Zelensky stated on February 16, 2025, that Russia has
killed 46,000 Ukrainian soldiers since the start of the
full-scale invasion, and that Ukraine has suffered over
390,000 soldiers wounded in action.[8]
US officials have placed the number of Ukrainian military
losses between 60,000 and 70,000, but no reputable source
places casualty estimates near or in the millions.[9]
The UN confirmed that Russia had killed over 12,000
Ukrainian civilians as of the end of 2024.[10]"
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most
bizarre lock-down
possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers
shut and they could
not get out to shop and apparently the already aging
population of China
under their "one child only" policy has virtually
destroyed China.
Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their
attempt to make a
bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was
traffic jams there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this was
nothing more than
propaganda but looking at so many photos of present day
China simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets,
apartment blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time
turn bak to the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they
like them, At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where
forxe is necessary.
Where on earth to do get your “news” from!
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran
moved the enriched
Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES were
destroyed and the
enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the Israelis
who would be the first targets.
See above Uk media is very reporting that we don’t know,
if the facility’s
are sufficiently damaged to prevent more enrichment, and
certainly unknown
where the enriched uranium is located.
So at best maybe it’s delayed, and is generally a
dangerous situation.
The Middle East has wars/conflict in multiple countries
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great
deal less serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that while
Flunky, Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
and the US has been
involved in a number of these conflicts, just this year
this said I think
the US has been reacting rather than any planned. But
it’s not by any
measure peaceful nor a signs that its getting better,
again where are you
getting your news from?
Roger Merriman
Thank you.
I had perused a few sites and conflated casualties and
deaths, apparently.
So we agree with Mr Biden. It's minor.
No we don't. It isn't minor, and President Biden never
claimed it was. the "minor" claim was a hypothetical he
posed before the invasion took place.
This is what Biden said after the invasion: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/full-transcript-president- bidens-speech-warsaw-russias-invasion/story?id=83690301
It's long, but I would challenge anyone reading it to
demonstrate how he characterized it as "minor".
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 5:46 PM, marika wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to >>>>>>>> rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>>>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>>>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>>>>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>>>>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed >>>>> his attitudes.
I would say “maybe he has a brain tumor” that is the mystery illness >>>>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don’t even think it’s that. I >>>>> think, much like trump, he’s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant
narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre >>>>> unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission >>>>> structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 >>>>> years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person. >>>>>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>>>>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes >>>>>> that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and >>>>>> profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of >>>>>> risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years >>>>>> old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from >>>>>> Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that >>>>>> there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some >>>>>> shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual. >>>>>>
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Well, that too. Beslan was 5 years later.
https://www.thecollector.com/1999-apartment-bombings-russia-history-questions/
I cannot even keep up with all his terrorist acts
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East >>>>situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would
have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have >>>condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone, and sometimes
spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress of that war which is >>> almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the war in the Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream media misreporting it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a draft and put untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result. Russia is no longer a
super power other than in name alone.
Putin has done such an amazing amount of strange things to his country, it
is a wonder it has not simply dissolved
I wonder what exactly is a “cheap surrogate” of bread?
Let them eat… drones?
Even though bread really is a huge deal in Russia, I wouldn’t worry about this too much, I’m sure trump will be happy to sell them some of our white bread, full of preservatives, coloring, and various delicious chemicals.
I saw a post recently of bread for sale in Moscow, packaged by the SLICE.
And everybody was making fun of that. I’ll be honest with you, I wish they sold bread by the slice HERE. It takes me like half a year to finish off a whole loaf.
https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1939709784313237716?s=61&t=ZCHyRu4DjWNZf_cm3_DB6A
Russia Could Be Left Without Bread
The owner of the Kolomensky holding, Aleksey Tulupov, stated that if the government imposes strict price controls, white bread could disappear from Russian stores.
According to him, if the state starts pressuring prices, bakeries will go bankrupt, and consumers will be offered a cheap surrogate instead.
Prices for wheat bread are rising faster than inflation — up 14.6% in 2023, and another 6.2% in just the first five months of this year.
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most bizarre lock-down
possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers shut and they could
not get out to shop and apparently the already aging population of China
under their "one child only" policy has virtually destroyed China.
Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their attempt to make a
bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was traffic jams there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this was nothing more than
propaganda but looking at so many photos of present day China simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets, apartment blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time turn bak to the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they like them, At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where forxe is necessary.
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran moved the enriched
Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES were destroyed and the
enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the Israelis who would be the first targets.
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great deal less serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that while Flunky, Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 6:50 PM, marika wrote:
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>>>>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely >>>>>>>> like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>>>>>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>>>>>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be
sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed >>>>>> his attitudes.
I would say “maybe he has a brain tumor” that is the mystery illness >>>>>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is
responsible for causing all this, but I don’t even think it’s that. I
think, much like trump, he’s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant
narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre >>>>>> unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission >>>>>> structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25 >>>>>> years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>>>>>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes >>>>>>> that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and >>>>>>> profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of >>>>>>> risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years >>>>>>> old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from >>>>>>> Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that >>>>>>> there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was
expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some >>>>>>> shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual. >>>>>>>
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I’m seeing so many pictures of Putin in media recently, I am
noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think…. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
There have been a series of theories. I have no idea and
frankly amateur diagnosis based on photos is not compelling.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-health-dying-zelensky-34940672
These photos of the pumpkin head surfaced last week
https://charter97.org/ru/news/2025/6/28/646149/
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking"
<https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of
bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
Ick lol
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 23:24:34 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 9:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 01:04:43 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
Ick lol
Thou shall not abrev.
But "abbreviate" is such a long word!
Notice that I also removed the redundant second "b".
It is better to abbrev than to trunc or acronymicate.
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 20:53:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 20:01:48 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:02:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking"
<https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of >>>> bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
Tell us more... I've been eating bread for years, both as commercial
and home made, and so far I've never found any made from wood.
Well, I could introduce you to the local bagel bakery, which after
sitting for one day, produces bagels that require a table saw or band
saw to slice. Whatever the recipe, anything that hard is probably
made from wood.
At the other extreme, another local bakery makes Aerogel bread, which
is extremely light because it's up to 99.8% gas.
<https://www.graphene-x.com/blogs/stories/aerogel-the-worlds-lightest-solid> >> It probably doesn't contain any sawdust but whatever holds it together
is obviously not made from wheat flower.
If you want wooden bread, there are these things:
<https://www.amazon.com/Unfinished-Wood-Bread-Shape-Craft/dp/B0CLHKJH58>
I don't believe they are made to be eaten, but their existence does
suggest that they might be edible.
I'm pretty that my mother or grandmother(s) was not using sawdust so
can an industrial maker be identified?
I don't think so. The recipe is likely a trade secret.
In Matthew 4:4 "It is written and forever remains written, 'Man
shall not live by bread alone...'" which commands that if you want
something that tastes better than prison rations, please add some
topping, spices, salads, meats, etc.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=ultimate%20sandwich&udm=2>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=ai%20sandwich&num=10&udm=2>
My wife prefers the pretend baked bagels with cream cheese spread. I
like the real (boiled, then baked) bagels either with braunschweiger
or with no spread.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 7/1/2025 3:49 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 20:53:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 20:01:48 -0700, John B.My wife prefers the pretend baked bagels with cream cheese spread. I
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:02:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking"
<https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of >>>>> bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
Tell us more... I've been eating bread for years, both as commercial
and home made, and so far I've never found any made from wood.
Well, I could introduce you to the local bagel bakery, which after
sitting for one day, produces bagels that require a table saw or band
saw to slice. Whatever the recipe, anything that hard is probably
made from wood.
At the other extreme, another local bakery makes Aerogel bread, which
is extremely light because it's up to 99.8% gas.
<https://www.graphene-x.com/blogs/stories/aerogel-the-worlds-lightest-solid>
It probably doesn't contain any sawdust but whatever holds it together
is obviously not made from wheat flower.
If you want wooden bread, there are these things:
<https://www.amazon.com/Unfinished-Wood-Bread-Shape-Craft/dp/B0CLHKJH58> >>> I don't believe they are made to be eaten, but their existence does
suggest that they might be edible.
I'm pretty that my mother or grandmother(s) was not using sawdust so
can an industrial maker be identified?
I don't think so. The recipe is likely a trade secret.
In Matthew 4:4 "It is written and forever remains written, 'Man
shall not live by bread alone...'" which commands that if you want
something that tastes better than prison rations, please add some
topping, spices, salads, meats, etc.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=ultimate%20sandwich&udm=2>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=ai%20sandwich&num=10&udm=2>
like the real (boiled, then baked) bagels either with braunschweiger
or with no spread.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Everyone has his own favorite. When I ate bagels, mine was nova lox
and tomato, no cheese. YMMV
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
No matter what happens, the New Yorkers will get what they deserve.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would
have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
On 7/1/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment,� and all the >>>> other government giveaways....
����Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
����And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
����LOL
����[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination. It's Democratic >Socialism in the same mold as the nordic countries.
IT seems tommy isn't the only one here who wouldn't know what communism
is if it bit him in the ass.
On 7/1/2025 8:54 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>> the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
No matter what happens, the New Yorkers will get what they deserve.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179
Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would
have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
It�s not as cut and dry as that, absolutely media and political pundits >aren�t convinced that the strike was a military rather than political one
for Netanyahu it was clear that Trump wasn�t expecting this and has been >bounced into this.
But that Iran has been enriching way beyond the civilian usefulness ie 3.5% >apparently is absolutely a concern and Iran is not explaining why.
While might of ended at this point, feeling was would be better done by
soft power, than force which very possibly may have the reverse effect.
Ie it�s not a binary support but more nuanced conversation.
Roger Merriman
On 7/1/2025 10:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/1/2025 8:54 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment,� and all the >>>>>> other government giveaways....
����Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
����And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
����LOL
����[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
No matter what happens, the New Yorkers will get what they deserve.
As do floridians
https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/06/30/floridas-leaders-are-swapping-class-for-crass/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179
On 6/30/2025 1:35 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/30/2025 1:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:40 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone, and sometimes >>>>>>> spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress of that war >>>>>>> which is
almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the war in the
Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream media
misreporting it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a draft and put
untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result. Russia is no
longer a
super power other than in name alone.
Russian army is loosing men at a rate but it is slowly gaining
ground, is
it impressive no, but it’s enough to be pushing Ukrainian army
back, due to
nature of that war and all that.
From Andrews earlier link:
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine- fact- sheet-
february-21-2025
"Ukraine has not suffered "millions" of losses by any reliable
estimate, either in terms of civilian or military casualties.
Zelensky stated on February 16, 2025, that Russia has killed 46,000
Ukrainian soldiers since the start of the full-scale invasion, and
that Ukraine has suffered over 390,000 soldiers wounded in action.[8]
US officials have placed the number of Ukrainian military losses
between 60,000 and 70,000, but no reputable source places casualty
estimates near or in the millions.[9]
The UN confirmed that Russia had killed over 12,000 Ukrainian
civilians as of the end of 2024.[10]"
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most bizarre lock- >>>>>> down
possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers shut and
they could
not get out to shop and apparently the already aging population of >>>>>> China
under their "one child only" policy has virtually destroyed China. >>>>>> Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their attempt to make a >>>>>> bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was traffic jams
there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this was nothing
more than
propaganda but looking at so many photos of present day China simply >>>>>> cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets, apartment
blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time turn bak to the >>>>>> crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they like them, At the >>>>>> moment we have Trump who will only use force where forxe is
necessary.
Where on earth to do get your “news” from!
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran moved the
enriched
Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES were destroyed
and the
enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the Israelis who would
be the first targets.
See above Uk media is very reporting that we don’t know, if the
facility’s
are sufficiently damaged to prevent more enrichment, and certainly
unknown
where the enriched uranium is located.
So at best maybe it’s delayed, and is generally a dangerous situation. >>>>>>
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great deal lessThe Middle East has wars/conflict in multiple countries and the US
serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that while Flunky,
Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
has been
involved in a number of these conflicts, just this year this said I
think
the US has been reacting rather than any planned. But it’s not by any >>>>> measure peaceful nor a signs that its getting better, again where
are you
getting your news from?
Roger Merriman
Thank you.
I had perused a few sites and conflated casualties and deaths,
apparently.
So we agree with Mr Biden. It's minor.
No we don't. It isn't minor, and President Biden never claimed it was.
the "minor" claim was a hypothetical he posed before the invasion took
place.
This is what Biden said after the invasion:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/full-transcript-president- bidens-
speech-warsaw-russias-invasion/story?id=83690301
It's long, but I would challenge anyone reading it to demonstrate how
he characterized it as "minor".
The salient phrase was not on that page. Here's the original reportage
with direct quotation:
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-suggests-russia-no-punishment- minor-ukraine-invasion-wh-clarify-2022-1?op=1
[Which brings another question. In that sentence he directly invoked
NATO which is not a party to the 1994 agreement. More, Mr Putin has said
many times over many years that NATO military presence in an adjacent
country to Russia is his red line.]
At any rate if it's not 'minor', why was the invasion with armor not
repelled immediately with air support? That's the correct response to massed armor.
And repelling invasion gets much more difficult and
costly as the enemy establishes territory, logistics support and
interior lines; time matters.
We not only didn't supply US air assets (which can be argued both ways)
but we denied our allies permission to send their own assets to
Ukraine. Make that make sense.
The previous administration had at least supplied Javelins to some
limited extent, unlike the blankets provided by the administration
before that.
other critical materiel promptly and in sufficient quantity to prevent a complete defeat:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61482305
Say what you will of Boris ( and we all do ) it was the correct action
at the correct time.
On 6/30/2025 8:04 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking"
<https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of
bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
Ick lol
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/desperate-haitians-survive-on-mud-cookies/
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:46:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 10:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/1/2025 8:54 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>>>> the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
No matter what happens, the New Yorkers will get what they deserve.
As do floridians
https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/06/30/floridas-leaders-are-swapping-class-for-crass/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179
We cetainly do.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/economy
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would
have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
It’s not as cut and dry as that, absolutely media and political pundits aren’t convinced that the strike was a military rather than political one for Netanyahu it was clear that Trump wasn’t expecting this and has been bounced into this.
But that Iran has been enriching way beyond the civilian usefulness ie 3.5% apparently is absolutely a concern and Iran is not explaining why.
While might of ended at this point, feeling was would be better done by
soft power, than force which very possibly may have the reverse effect.
Ie it’s not a binary support but more nuanced conversation.
Roger Merriman
On 7/1/2025 8:56 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 1:35 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/30/2025 1:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:40 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone,
and sometimes
spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the
progress of that war which is
almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the
war in the Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream
media misreporting it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers
making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a
draft and put untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result.
Russia is no longer a
super power other than in name alone.
Russian army is loosing men at a rate but it is slowly
gaining ground, is
it impressive no, but it’s enough to be pushing
Ukrainian army back, due to
nature of that war and all that.
From Andrews earlier link:
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-
fact- sheet- february-21-2025
"Ukraine has not suffered "millions" of losses by any
reliable estimate, either in terms of civilian or
military casualties.
Zelensky stated on February 16, 2025, that Russia has
killed 46,000 Ukrainian soldiers since the start of the
full-scale invasion, and that Ukraine has suffered over
390,000 soldiers wounded in action.[8]
US officials have placed the number of Ukrainian
military losses between 60,000 and 70,000, but no
reputable source places casualty estimates near or in
the millions.[9]
The UN confirmed that Russia had killed over 12,000
Ukrainian civilians as of the end of 2024.[10]"
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most
bizarre lock- down
possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers
shut and they could
not get out to shop and apparently the already aging
population of China
under their "one child only" policy has virtually
destroyed China.
Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their
attempt to make a
bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was
traffic jams there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this
was nothing more than
propaganda but looking at so many photos of present
day China simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets,
apartment blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time
turn bak to the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they
like them, At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where
forxe is necessary.
Where on earth to do get your “news” from!
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran
moved the enriched
Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES
were destroyed and the
enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the
Israelis who would be the first targets.
See above Uk media is very reporting that we don’t
know, if the facility’s
are sufficiently damaged to prevent more enrichment,
and certainly unknown
where the enriched uranium is located.
So at best maybe it’s delayed, and is generally a
dangerous situation.
The Middle East has wars/conflict in multiple
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great
deal less serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that while
Flunky, Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
countries and the US has been
involved in a number of these conflicts, just this
year this said I think
the US has been reacting rather than any planned. But
it’s not by any
measure peaceful nor a signs that its getting better,
again where are you
getting your news from?
Roger Merriman
Thank you.
I had perused a few sites and conflated casualties and
deaths, apparently.
So we agree with Mr Biden. It's minor.
No we don't. It isn't minor, and President Biden never
claimed it was. the "minor" claim was a hypothetical he
posed before the invasion took place.
This is what Biden said after the invasion:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/full-transcript-
president- bidens- speech-warsaw-russias-invasion/story?
id=83690301
It's long, but I would challenge anyone reading it to
demonstrate how he characterized it as "minor".
The salient phrase was not on that page. Here's the
original reportage with direct quotation:
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-suggests-russia-no-
punishment- minor-ukraine-invasion-wh-clarify-2022-1?op=1
Yes, as noted, it was a comment he made _before_ the
invasion. At no point after the invasion did he refer to it
as 'minor'.
[Which brings another question. In that sentence he
directly invoked NATO which is not a party to the 1994
agreement. More, Mr Putin has said many times over many
years that NATO military presence in an adjacent country
to Russia is his red line.]
Perhaps he mispoke - not really relevant on any level.
At any rate if it's not 'minor', why was the invasion with
armor not repelled immediately with air support? That's
the correct response to massed armor.
Because Russia attacked Ukraine, not the US or its interests.
And repelling invasion gets much more difficult and costly
as the enemy establishes territory, logistics support and
interior lines; time matters.
We not only didn't supply US air assets (which can be
argued both ways) but we denied our allies permission to
send their own assets to Ukraine. Make that make sense.
If Obama had taken aggressive military action, the right
wing would have decried it as a violation of the War Powers
Act and a distraction against all their red-herring
conspiracy theories (cosmic pizza, anyone?).
The previous administration had at least supplied Javelins
to some limited extent, unlike the blankets provided by
the administration before that.
oh, you mean this guy?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin- ukraine-invasion-00010923
The hero of the tale is Mr Johnson, who supplied NLAW and
other critical materiel promptly and in sufficient
quantity to prevent a complete defeat:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61482305
Say what you will of Boris ( and we all do ) it was the
correct action at the correct time.
And if the rabid magatards (such as they were before trump)
were willing to actually get on with the business of the
country rather than considering every move by Obama to be an
act of treason, maybe more would have been done.
On 7/1/2025 9:35 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would
have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
It’s not as cut and dry as that, absolutely media and political pundits
aren’t convinced that the strike was a military rather than political one >> for Netanyahu it was clear that Trump wasn’t expecting this and has been >> bounced into this.
But that Iran has been enriching way beyond the civilian usefulness ie 3.5% >> apparently is absolutely a concern and Iran is not explaining why.
While might of ended at this point, feeling was would be better done by
soft power, than force which very possibly may have the reverse effect.
Ie it’s not a binary support but more nuanced conversation.
Roger Merriman
The Persian leadership piously believes that when they kill
all the Jews and then us*, the Mahdi will come out of the
well and lead them bodily into heaven. Where's your
negotiating position? This is not a classic diplomatic
problem of money, access to markets, tribute, indemnity,
land, non-agression pacts, weapons limitation or any other
such thing.
*In the local vernacular, 'Great Satan' and 'Little Satan'.
Note that's 'when' not 'if'. It is their duty, not their
prerogative.
On 7/1/2025 9:35 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]>
wrote:
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would
have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
It’s not as cut and dry as that, absolutely media and political pundits
aren’t convinced that the strike was a military rather than political one >> for Netanyahu it was clear that Trump wasn’t expecting this and has been >> bounced into this.
But that Iran has been enriching way beyond the civilian usefulness ie
3.5%
apparently is absolutely a concern and Iran is not explaining why.
While might of ended at this point, feeling was would be better done by
soft power, than force which very possibly may have the reverse effect.
Ie it’s not a binary support but more nuanced conversation.
Roger Merriman
The Persian leadership piously believes that when they kill all the Jews
and then us*, the Mahdi will come out of the well and lead them bodily
into heaven. Where's your negotiating position? This is not a classic diplomatic problem of money, access to markets, tribute, indemnity,
land, non-agression pacts, weapons limitation or any other such thing.
*In the local vernacular, 'Great Satan' and 'Little Satan'. Note that's 'when' not 'if'. It is their duty, not their prerogative.
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:35 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would
have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
It’s not as cut and dry as that, absolutely media and political pundits >>> aren’t convinced that the strike was a military rather than political one >>> for Netanyahu it was clear that Trump wasn’t expecting this and has been >>> bounced into this.
But that Iran has been enriching way beyond the civilian usefulness ie 3.5% >>> apparently is absolutely a concern and Iran is not explaining why.
While might of ended at this point, feeling was would be better done by
soft power, than force which very possibly may have the reverse effect.
Ie it’s not a binary support but more nuanced conversation.
Roger Merriman
The Persian leadership piously believes that when they kill
all the Jews and then us*, the Mahdi will come out of the
well and lead them bodily into heaven. Where's your
negotiating position? This is not a classic diplomatic
problem of money, access to markets, tribute, indemnity,
land, non-agression pacts, weapons limitation or any other
such thing.
*In the local vernacular, 'Great Satan' and 'Little Satan'.
Note that's 'when' not 'if'. It is their duty, not their
prerogative.
Yes this is known but equally that the Iranian government is or at least
was desperately unpopular, the Iranians people aren’t the same people nor hold the same beliefs, after all they had lot more freedom within living memory.
But it’s also clear how unpopular Netanyahu is hence the idea it needed to happen now isn’t particularly believable, this is his politics and Trump has come along for the ride, and clearly wasn’t informed he was expecting to negotiate.
Is Iran a risk? Absolutely but while they have some enriched uranium, it’s not enough to make a bomb let alone a delivery system.
Does the enrichment need to stop absolutely, until this point the Iranian government was in a fairly poor position their proxies had largely be demolished, but now with the rally behind the flag it’s much less certain.
Again it’s more nuanced and complicated.
Roger Merriman
On 7/1/2025 10:03 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:46:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 10:09 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/1/2025 8:54 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is >>>>>>>> the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand >>>>>>>> outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and >>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
No matter what happens, the New Yorkers will get what they deserve.
As do floridians
https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/06/30/floridas-leaders-are-swapping-
class-for-crass/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
+1
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/h_l_mencken_163179
We cetainly do.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/economy
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Woo hoo! We're #27; below average under the present regime here.
On 7/1/2025 11:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:35 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump,
as I
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't
know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards
Ukraine.
Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied
is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done
before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not
end well.
A little force seems to have had an effect on the
Middle East
situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade
uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it,
they would
have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of
charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should
have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or
even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
It’s not as cut and dry as that, absolutely media and
political pundits
aren’t convinced that the strike was a military rather
than political one
for Netanyahu it was clear that Trump wasn’t expecting
this and has been
bounced into this.
But that Iran has been enriching way beyond the civilian
usefulness ie 3.5%
apparently is absolutely a concern and Iran is not
explaining why.
While might of ended at this point, feeling was would be
better done by
soft power, than force which very possibly may have the
reverse effect.
Ie it’s not a binary support but more nuanced conversation.
Roger Merriman
The Persian leadership piously believes that when they
kill all the Jews and then us*, the Mahdi will come out of
the well and lead them bodily into heaven. Where's your
negotiating position? This is not a classic diplomatic
problem of money, access to markets, tribute, indemnity,
land, non-agression pacts, weapons limitation or any other
such thing.
*In the local vernacular, 'Great Satan' and 'Little
Satan'. Note that's 'when' not 'if'. It is their duty,
not their prerogative.
Don't conflate ethnic Persian with Islam. The Persians are
predominantly Islamic, but there are in fact Persians of
different faiths that do not hold anti-semetic views (and
not all branches of Islam advocate for the elimination of
Israel.).
Most Iranian refuges that fled to the US after the
'revolution' call themselves Persian, few of them advocate
for the elimination of Israel.
It's Iranian Shiites that that have issues with Judasim, not
Persians in general.
https://jcpa.org/article/shiites-sunnis-and-israel/
"The leader of Iraqi Shiites, Ayatollah Ali Sistani, rejects
Iranian extremism and writes on his website that Jews and
Christians are ritually pure. Sistani is far more revered by
Shiites worldwide than Khamenei."
On 7/1/2025 10:10 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 7/1/2025 8:56 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 1:35 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/30/2025 1:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:40 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with drone, and sometimes >>>>>>>>> spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the progress of that >>>>>>>>> war which is
almost 1st world war like with trenches and artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the war in the >>>>>>>> Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream media
misreporting it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a draft and put >>>>>>>> untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result. Russia is no >>>>>>>> longer a
super power other than in name alone.
Russian army is loosing men at a rate but it is slowly gaining
ground, is
it impressive no, but it’s enough to be pushing Ukrainian army >>>>>>> back, due to
nature of that war and all that.
From Andrews earlier link:
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine- fact-
sheet- february-21-2025
"Ukraine has not suffered "millions" of losses by any reliable
estimate, either in terms of civilian or military casualties.
Zelensky stated on February 16, 2025, that Russia has killed
46,000 Ukrainian soldiers since the start of the full-scale
invasion, and that Ukraine has suffered over 390,000 soldiers
wounded in action.[8]
US officials have placed the number of Ukrainian military losses
between 60,000 and 70,000, but no reputable source places casualty >>>>>> estimates near or in the millions.[9]
The UN confirmed that Russia had killed over 12,000 Ukrainian
civilians as of the end of 2024.[10]"
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the most bizarre
lock- down
possible. They welded the doors of apartment dwellers shut and >>>>>>>> they could
not get out to shop and apparently the already aging population >>>>>>>> of China
under their "one child only" policy has virtually destroyed China. >>>>>>>> Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their attempt to make a >>>>>>>> bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there was traffic
jams there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this was nothing >>>>>>>> more than
propaganda but looking at so many photos of present day China
simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city streets, apartment >>>>>>>> blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any time turn bak to >>>>>>>> the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they like them, >>>>>>>> At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where forxe is
necessary.
Where on earth to do get your “news” from!
We are being told by the slime stream media that Iran moved the >>>>>>>> enriched
Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES were
destroyed and the
enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the Israelis who would >>>>>>>> be the first targets.
See above Uk media is very reporting that we don’t know, if the >>>>>>> facility’s
are sufficiently damaged to prevent more enrichment, and
certainly unknown
where the enriched uranium is located.
So at best maybe it’s delayed, and is generally a dangerous
situation.
The Middle East has wars/conflict in multiple countries and the
The serious dangers in the world are getting a great deal less >>>>>>>> serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that while Flunky,
Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
US has been
involved in a number of these conflicts, just this year this said >>>>>>> I think
the US has been reacting rather than any planned. But it’s not by >>>>>>> any
measure peaceful nor a signs that its getting better, again where >>>>>>> are you
getting your news from?
Roger Merriman
Thank you.
I had perused a few sites and conflated casualties and deaths,
apparently.
So we agree with Mr Biden. It's minor.
No we don't. It isn't minor, and President Biden never claimed it
was. the "minor" claim was a hypothetical he posed before the
invasion took place.
This is what Biden said after the invasion:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/full-transcript- president- bidens-
speech-warsaw-russias-invasion/story? id=83690301
It's long, but I would challenge anyone reading it to demonstrate
how he characterized it as "minor".
The salient phrase was not on that page. Here's the original
reportage with direct quotation:
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-suggests-russia-no- punishment-
minor-ukraine-invasion-wh-clarify-2022-1?op=1
Yes, as noted, it was a comment he made _before_ the invasion. At no
point after the invasion did he refer to it as 'minor'.
[Which brings another question. In that sentence he directly invoked
NATO which is not a party to the 1994 agreement. More, Mr Putin has
said many times over many years that NATO military presence in an
adjacent country to Russia is his red line.]
Perhaps he mispoke - not really relevant on any level.
At any rate if it's not 'minor', why was the invasion with armor not
repelled immediately with air support? That's the correct response
to massed armor.
Because Russia attacked Ukraine, not the US or its interests.
And repelling invasion gets much more difficult and costly as the
enemy establishes territory, logistics support and interior lines;
time matters.
We not only didn't supply US air assets (which can be argued both
ways) but we denied our allies permission to send their own assets to
Ukraine. Make that make sense.
If Obama had taken aggressive military action, the right wing would
have decried it as a violation of the War Powers Act and a distraction
against all their red-herring conspiracy theories (cosmic pizza,
anyone?).
The previous administration had at least supplied Javelins to some
limited extent, unlike the blankets provided by the administration
before that.
oh, you mean this guy?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin- ukraine-
invasion-00010923
The hero of the tale is Mr Johnson, who supplied NLAW and
other critical materiel promptly and in sufficient quantity to
prevent a complete defeat:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61482305
Say what you will of Boris ( and we all do ) it was the correct
action at the correct time.
And if the rabid magatards (such as they were before trump) were
willing to actually get on with the business of the country rather
than considering every move by Obama to be an act of treason, maybe
more would have been done.
What Mr Trump, an ordinary citizen out of office in 2022, said was
exactly true.
Which part was not clear?
On 7/1/2025 11:52 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/1/2025 10:10 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 7/1/2025 8:56 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 1:35 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/30/2025 1:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:40 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 6/30/2025 11:26 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue Jun 17 17:32:13 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Ukraine has absolutely had some success with
drone, and sometimes
spectacularly so but this hasn?t changed the
progress of that war which is
almost 1st world war like with trenches and
artillery.
Roger, I was very unhappy with the US financing the
war in the Ukraine
and the Biden administration and the slime stream
media misreporting it.
But the Russians have now lost a million soldiers
making the
Russian Army virtually powerless. Putin started a
draft and put untrained
17 year olds in the field with the expected result.
Russia is no longer a
super power other than in name alone.
Russian army is loosing men at a rate but it is
slowly gaining ground, is
it impressive no, but it’s enough to be pushing
Ukrainian army back, due to
nature of that war and all that.
From Andrews earlier link:
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/
ukraine- fact- sheet- february-21-2025
"Ukraine has not suffered "millions" of losses by any
reliable estimate, either in terms of civilian or
military casualties.
Zelensky stated on February 16, 2025, that Russia has
killed 46,000 Ukrainian soldiers since the start of
the full-scale invasion, and that Ukraine has
suffered over 390,000 soldiers wounded in action.[8]
US officials have placed the number of Ukrainian
military losses between 60,000 and 70,000, but no
reputable source places casualty estimates near or in
the millions.[9]
The UN confirmed that Russia had killed over 12,000
Ukrainian civilians as of the end of 2024.[10]"
With the advent of the Covid-19, China made the
most bizarre lock- down
possible. They welded the doors of apartment
dwellers shut and they could
not get out to shop and apparently the already
aging population of China
under their "one child only" policy has virtually
destroyed China.
Pictures of Bejing city streets from before their
attempt to make a
bioweapon and now are shocking. Where once there
was traffic jams there
is not hardly any traffic at all. I suspected this
was nothing more than
propaganda but looking at so many photos of present
day China simply
cannot have so many pixctures of empty city
streets, apartment blocks and STORES!
While I do not trust the USA which might at any
time turn bak to the
crazy Democrats and start forever wars because they
like them, At the
moment we have Trump who will only use force where
forxe is necessary.
Where on earth to do get your “news” from!
We are being told by the slime stream media that
Iran moved the enriched
Uranium before the bombers arrived, the FACILITIES
were destroyed and the
enriched Uranium will be taken care of by the
Israelis who would be the first targets.
See above Uk media is very reporting that we don’t
know, if the facility’s
are sufficiently damaged to prevent more enrichment,
and certainly unknown
where the enriched uranium is located.
So at best maybe it’s delayed, and is generally a
dangerous situation.
The Middle East has wars/conflict in multiple
The serious dangers in the world are getting a
great deal less serious
and you have President Trump to thank for that
while Flunky, Krygowski
and Lievermann cry about that fact.
countries and the US has been
involved in a number of these conflicts, just this
year this said I think
the US has been reacting rather than any planned.
But it’s not by any
measure peaceful nor a signs that its getting
better, again where are you
getting your news from?
Roger Merriman
Thank you.
I had perused a few sites and conflated casualties and
deaths, apparently.
So we agree with Mr Biden. It's minor.
No we don't. It isn't minor, and President Biden never
claimed it was. the "minor" claim was a hypothetical he
posed before the invasion took place.
This is what Biden said after the invasion:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/full-transcript-
president- bidens- speech-warsaw-russias-invasion/
story? id=83690301
It's long, but I would challenge anyone reading it to
demonstrate how he characterized it as "minor".
The salient phrase was not on that page. Here's the
original reportage with direct quotation:
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-suggests-russia-
no- punishment- minor-ukraine-invasion-wh-
clarify-2022-1?op=1
Yes, as noted, it was a comment he made _before_ the
invasion. At no point after the invasion did he refer to
it as 'minor'.
[Which brings another question. In that sentence he
directly invoked NATO which is not a party to the 1994
agreement. More, Mr Putin has said many times over many
years that NATO military presence in an adjacent country
to Russia is his red line.]
Perhaps he mispoke - not really relevant on any level.
At any rate if it's not 'minor', why was the invasion
with armor not repelled immediately with air support?
That's the correct response to massed armor.
Because Russia attacked Ukraine, not the US or its
interests.
And repelling invasion gets much more difficult and
costly as the enemy establishes territory, logistics
support and interior lines; time matters.
We not only didn't supply US air assets (which can be
argued both ways) but we denied our allies permission to
send their own assets to Ukraine. Make that make sense.
If Obama had taken aggressive military action, the right
wing would have decried it as a violation of the War
Powers Act and a distraction against all their red-
herring conspiracy theories (cosmic pizza, anyone?).
The previous administration had at least supplied
Javelins to some limited extent, unlike the blankets
provided by the administration before that.
oh, you mean this guy?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin-
ukraine- invasion-00010923
The hero of the tale is Mr Johnson, who supplied NLAW and
other critical materiel promptly and in sufficient
quantity to prevent a complete defeat:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61482305
Say what you will of Boris ( and we all do ) it was the
correct action at the correct time.
And if the rabid magatards (such as they were before
trump) were willing to actually get on with the business
of the country rather than considering every move by
Obama to be an act of treason, maybe more would have been
done.
What Mr Trump, an ordinary citizen out of office in 2022,
said was exactly true.
You agree that it was 'genius' and 'savvy'? Careful, your
warmonger is showing again.
Which part was not clear?
Trumps opinion of Putin and his invasion are abundantly
clear. He blames Zelenski for starting the war. It won't be
possible to broker peace when starting from a false first
premise.
On 6/30/2025 7:02 PM, marika wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 6:50 PM, marika wrote:
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the >>>>>>>>>> Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for >>>>>>>>> his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>>>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark >>>>>>>> to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas >>>>>>>> pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be >>>>>>>> sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed
his attitudes.
I would say �maybe he has a brain tumor� that is the mystery illness >>>>>>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is >>>>>>> responsible for causing all this, but I don�t even think it�s that. I >>>>>>> think, much like trump, he�s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant
narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre >>>>>>> unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission >>>>>>> structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25
years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving >>>>>>>> Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes >>>>>>>> that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and >>>>>>>> profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of >>>>>>>> risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years >>>>>>>> old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from >>>>>>>> Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that >>>>>>>> there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was >>>>>>>> expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some >>>>>>>> shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual. >>>>>>>>
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I�m seeing so many pictures of Putin in media recently, I am
noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think�. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
There have been a series of theories. I have no idea and
frankly amateur diagnosis based on photos is not compelling.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-health-dying-zelensky-34940672
These photos of the pumpkin head surfaced last week
https://charter97.org/ru/news/2025/6/28/646149/
And? Medical diagnosis from a photo is mostly conjecture.
Dr Shadow- Care to comment on that?
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
On 6/30/2025 8:04 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 00:27:55 GMT, marika <[email protected]> wrote:
I wonder what exactly is a "cheap surrogate" of bread?
Sawdust:
"When Bread Wasn't Bread: The Hidden History of Sawdust in Baking"
<https://www.steamnews.org/articles/science/when-bread-wasnt-bread-the-hidden-history-of-sawdust-in-baking>
"Can I taste between different species of sawdust baked into loaves of
bread?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTC_ETWa3JA> (28:27)
"How Much Sawdust Can You Put In A Rice Crispy?"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDal51f5LU> (12:02)
Ick lol
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/desperate-haitians-survive-on-mud-cookies/
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:41:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>> the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination. It's Democratic
Socialism in the same mold as the nordic countries.
IT seems tommy isn't the only one here who wouldn't know what communism
is if it bit him in the ass.
What countries have government owned and run grocery stores?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:06:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 7:02 PM, marika wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 6:50 PM, marika wrote:
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President >>>>>>>>>>> Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting >>>>>>>>>> this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>>>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas
pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be >>>>>>>>> sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed
his attitudes.
I would say “maybe he has a brain tumor” that is the mystery illness
everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is >>>>>>>> responsible for causing all this, but I don’t even think it’s that. I
think, much like trump, he’s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant
narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre >>>>>>>> unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission >>>>>>>> structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25
years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving
Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes >>>>>>>>> that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and >>>>>>>>> profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of >>>>>>>>> risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years >>>>>>>>> old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from >>>>>>>>> Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that >>>>>>>>> there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was >>>>>>>>> expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some >>>>>>>>> shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual. >>>>>>>>>
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I’m seeing so many pictures of Putin in media recently, I am >>>>> noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think…. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
There have been a series of theories. I have no idea and
frankly amateur diagnosis based on photos is not compelling.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-health-dying-zelensky-34940672
These photos of the pumpkin head surfaced last week
https://charter97.org/ru/news/2025/6/28/646149/
And? Medical diagnosis from a photo is mostly conjecture.
Dr Shadow- Care to comment on that?
Ears get bigger. Nose gets bigger. You grow hairs on your ear
lobes. Your hair thins out. You might go bald. Lower down -- wait,
we're talking about above the shoulder, right ?
No, heads do not become pumpkins.
[]'s
On 7/1/2025 11:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:35 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as IA little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all
of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine. >>>>>>>>> Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with
many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well. >>>>>>>>
situation.
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for
at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would >>>>>>> have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of
corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
It’s not as cut and dry as that, absolutely media and political pundits >>>> aren’t convinced that the strike was a military rather than political one
for Netanyahu it was clear that Trump wasn’t expecting this and has been >>>> bounced into this.
But that Iran has been enriching way beyond the civilian usefulness ie 3.5%
apparently is absolutely a concern and Iran is not explaining why.
While might of ended at this point, feeling was would be better done by >>>> soft power, than force which very possibly may have the reverse effect. >>>>
Ie it’s not a binary support but more nuanced conversation.
Roger Merriman
The Persian leadership piously believes that when they kill
all the Jews and then us*, the Mahdi will come out of the
well and lead them bodily into heaven. Where's your
negotiating position? This is not a classic diplomatic
problem of money, access to markets, tribute, indemnity,
land, non-agression pacts, weapons limitation or any other
such thing.
*In the local vernacular, 'Great Satan' and 'Little Satan'.
Note that's 'when' not 'if'. It is their duty, not their
prerogative.
Yes this is known but equally that the Iranian government is or at least
was desperately unpopular, the Iranians people aren’t the same people nor >> hold the same beliefs, after all they had lot more freedom within living
memory.
But it’s also clear how unpopular Netanyahu is hence the idea it needed to >> happen now isn’t particularly believable, this is his politics and Trump >> has come along for the ride, and clearly wasn’t informed he was expecting >> to negotiate.
Is Iran a risk? Absolutely but while they have some enriched uranium, it’s >> not enough to make a bomb let alone a delivery system.
Does the enrichment need to stop absolutely, until this point the Iranian
government was in a fairly poor position their proxies had largely be
demolished, but now with the rally behind the flag it’s much less certain. >>
Again it’s more nuanced and complicated.
Roger Merriman
The present Israeli administration is as popular as in any
modern deeply divided free state (USA or UK or France for
example).
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-shows-small-post-war-popularity-bump-for-netanyahu-likud-but-no-majority-for-his-coalition/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-25/ty-article/poll-netanyahus-likud-gains-ground-his-coalition-remains-short-of-knesset-majority/00000197-a37d-d1f0-a79f-fffd07e90000
(Israel has a parliamentary system roughly in the vein of UK
so it's 'party affiliation' not personal popularity for polling)
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 11:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:35 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as IA little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East >>>>>>>>> situation.
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all >>>>>>>>>> of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine. >>>>>>>>>> Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with >>>>>>>>>> many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well. >>>>>>>>>
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for >>>>>>>> at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would >>>>>>>> have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of >>>>>>>> corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
It�s not as cut and dry as that, absolutely media and political pundits >>>>> aren�t convinced that the strike was a military rather than political one >>>>> for Netanyahu it was clear that Trump wasn�t expecting this and has been >>>>> bounced into this.
But that Iran has been enriching way beyond the civilian usefulness ie 3.5%
apparently is absolutely a concern and Iran is not explaining why.
While might of ended at this point, feeling was would be better done by >>>>> soft power, than force which very possibly may have the reverse effect. >>>>>
Ie it�s not a binary support but more nuanced conversation.
Roger Merriman
The Persian leadership piously believes that when they kill
all the Jews and then us*, the Mahdi will come out of the
well and lead them bodily into heaven. Where's your
negotiating position? This is not a classic diplomatic
problem of money, access to markets, tribute, indemnity,
land, non-agression pacts, weapons limitation or any other
such thing.
*In the local vernacular, 'Great Satan' and 'Little Satan'.
Note that's 'when' not 'if'. It is their duty, not their
prerogative.
Yes this is known but equally that the Iranian government is or at least >>> was desperately unpopular, the Iranians people aren�t the same people nor >>> hold the same beliefs, after all they had lot more freedom within living >>> memory.
But it�s also clear how unpopular Netanyahu is hence the idea it needed to >>> happen now isn�t particularly believable, this is his politics and Trump >>> has come along for the ride, and clearly wasn�t informed he was expecting >>> to negotiate.
Is Iran a risk? Absolutely but while they have some enriched uranium, it�s >>> not enough to make a bomb let alone a delivery system.
Does the enrichment need to stop absolutely, until this point the Iranian >>> government was in a fairly poor position their proxies had largely be
demolished, but now with the rally behind the flag it�s much less certain. >>>
Again it�s more nuanced and complicated.
Roger Merriman
The present Israeli administration is as popular as in any
modern deeply divided free state (USA or UK or France for
example).
I�d not call Uk or France Deeply divided I�d question what you�re reading
to think that!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-shows-small-post-war-popularity-bump-for-netanyahu-likud-but-no-majority-for-his-coalition/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-25/ty-article/poll-netanyahus-likud-gains-ground-his-coalition-remains-short-of-knesset-majority/00000197-a37d-d1f0-a79f-fffd07e90000
(Israel has a parliamentary system roughly in the vein of UK
so it's 'party affiliation' not personal popularity for polling)
I�d say it�s quite different attually in that Israel no party ever wins a >full majority but needs to form coalitions, which is very different to the
UK where the Majority is the norm, and Coalitions are rare and tend to not >work well.
Netanyahu is having a �war time boost� in the polls though not as much as
he had hoped it�s reported, the lack of focus on the hostages is one
possible reason.
Hence the suspicion that the timing were of a political than military >response.
Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:41:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>>> the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination. It's Democratic
Socialism in the same mold as the nordic countries.
IT seems tommy isn't the only one here who wouldn't know what communism
is if it bit him in the ass.
What countries have government owned and run grocery stores?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Probably Zero to be honest!
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
[]'s
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 11:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:35 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as IA little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East >>>>>>>>> situation.
did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all >>>>>>>>>> of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'd
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine. >>>>>>>>>> Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not
effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with >>>>>>>>>> many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well. >>>>>>>>>
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for >>>>>>>> at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would >>>>>>>> have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of >>>>>>>> corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
It’s not as cut and dry as that, absolutely media and political pundits >>>>> aren’t convinced that the strike was a military rather than political one
for Netanyahu it was clear that Trump wasn’t expecting this and has been
bounced into this.
But that Iran has been enriching way beyond the civilian usefulness ie 3.5%
apparently is absolutely a concern and Iran is not explaining why.
While might of ended at this point, feeling was would be better done by >>>>> soft power, than force which very possibly may have the reverse effect. >>>>>
Ie it’s not a binary support but more nuanced conversation.
Roger Merriman
The Persian leadership piously believes that when they kill
all the Jews and then us*, the Mahdi will come out of the
well and lead them bodily into heaven. Where's your
negotiating position? This is not a classic diplomatic
problem of money, access to markets, tribute, indemnity,
land, non-agression pacts, weapons limitation or any other
such thing.
*In the local vernacular, 'Great Satan' and 'Little Satan'.
Note that's 'when' not 'if'. It is their duty, not their
prerogative.
Yes this is known but equally that the Iranian government is or at least >>> was desperately unpopular, the Iranians people aren’t the same people nor >>> hold the same beliefs, after all they had lot more freedom within living >>> memory.
But it’s also clear how unpopular Netanyahu is hence the idea it needed to
happen now isn’t particularly believable, this is his politics and Trump >>> has come along for the ride, and clearly wasn’t informed he was expecting >>> to negotiate.
Is Iran a risk? Absolutely but while they have some enriched uranium, it’s
not enough to make a bomb let alone a delivery system.
Does the enrichment need to stop absolutely, until this point the Iranian >>> government was in a fairly poor position their proxies had largely be
demolished, but now with the rally behind the flag it’s much less certain.
Again it’s more nuanced and complicated.
Roger Merriman
The present Israeli administration is as popular as in any
modern deeply divided free state (USA or UK or France for
example).
I’d not call Uk or France Deeply divided I’d question what you’re reading
to think that!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-shows-small-post-war-popularity-bump-for-netanyahu-likud-but-no-majority-for-his-coalition/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-25/ty-article/poll-netanyahus-likud-gains-ground-his-coalition-remains-short-of-knesset-majority/00000197-a37d-d1f0-a79f-fffd07e90000
(Israel has a parliamentary system roughly in the vein of UK
so it's 'party affiliation' not personal popularity for polling)
I’d say it’s quite different attually in that Israel no party ever wins a full majority but needs to form coalitions, which is very different to the
UK where the Majority is the norm, and Coalitions are rare and tend to not work well.
Netanyahu is having a “war time boost” in the polls though not as much as he had hoped it’s reported, the lack of focus on the hostages is one possible reason.
Hence the suspicion that the timing were of a political than military response.
On 7/1/2025 3:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:41:28 -0400, Zen Cycle
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in
the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the
governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers,
unemployment, and all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when
he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if
it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination.
It's Democratic
Socialism in the same mold as the nordic countries.
IT seems tommy isn't the only one here who wouldn't know
what communism
is if it bit him in the ass.
What countries have government owned and run grocery stores?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Probably Zero to be honest!
Nope, we have them in the US (as well as military bases
world wide). They're called 'commissaries'.
https://corp.commissaries.com/our-agency/about-deca
"The Defense Commissary Agency, headquartered at Fort Gregg-
Adams, VA, operates a worldwide chain of commissaries
providing groceries in a safe and secure shopping
environment to the most deserving customers – our military
personnel, retirees and their families."
There is one my father still likes to go to at Hanscom Air
Force Base in Bedford MA (as a retiree he still has "base
exchange" privileges.
Related - In many US states liquor can only be bought at
state-run and owned liquor stores. There are currently 18 US
states which have a state controlled alcohol monopoly.
https://www.nabca.org/control-state-directory-and-info
Mr. Zohran isn't advocating a take over - it wouldn't be a
monopoly owned by the state. It would be an alternative to
offer lower food prices to low income people.
Regardless of city owned grocery stores, this isn't
communism or totalitarianism. It's a social welfare program
- subsidizing food for low income people. You can scream
about your tax dollars going to pay for such programs, but
remember the words of Moses when he opened the graineries to
feed the workers building the pyramids.
"The strong make many [bricks], the weak make few, the dead
make none"
Yes, that's complete fiction, but the message is true: A
healthy society is a productive society.
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:41:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment,� and all the >>>>> other government giveaways....
����Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
����And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
����LOL
����[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination. It's Democratic >>Socialism in the same mold as the nordic countries.
IT seems tommy isn't the only one here who wouldn't know what communism
is if it bit him in the ass.
What countries have government owned and run grocery stores?
On 7/1/2025 2:40 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:06:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 7:02 PM, marika wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 6:50 PM, marika wrote:
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play. >>>>>>>>>>> Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten >>>>>>>>>> Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas
pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be >>>>>>>>>> sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed
his attitudes.
I would say �maybe he has a brain tumor� that is the mystery illness >>>>>>>>> everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is >>>>>>>>> responsible for causing all this, but I don�t even think it�s that. I >>>>>>>>> think, much like trump, he�s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant
narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre >>>>>>>>> unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission >>>>>>>>> structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25
years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving
Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and >>>>>>>>>> profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from >>>>>>>>>> Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that >>>>>>>>>> there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was >>>>>>>>>> expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some
shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual. >>>>>>>>>>
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens
along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I�m seeing so many pictures of Putin in media recently, I am >>>>>> noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think�. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
There have been a series of theories. I have no idea and
frankly amateur diagnosis based on photos is not compelling.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-health-dying-zelensky-34940672
These photos of the pumpkin head surfaced last week
https://charter97.org/ru/news/2025/6/28/646149/
And? Medical diagnosis from a photo is mostly conjecture.
Dr Shadow- Care to comment on that?
Ears get bigger. Nose gets bigger. You grow hairs on your ear
lobes. Your hair thins out. You might go bald. Lower down -- wait,
we're talking about above the shoulder, right ?
No, heads do not become pumpkins.
[]'s
Are you sure?
I thought we had proof from this:
https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/GTY_putin_shirtless_horse_sk_140402.jpg
to this:
https://www.tomspinadesigns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/headless-horseman-lifesize-statue-1.jpg
On 7/1/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 7/1/2025 3:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:41:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is >>>>>>>> the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand >>>>>>>> outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and >>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination. It's
Democratic
Socialism in the same mold as the nordic countries.
IT seems tommy isn't the only one here who wouldn't know what
communism
is if it bit him in the ass.
What countries have government owned and run grocery stores?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Probably Zero to be honest!
Nope, we have them in the US (as well as military bases world wide).
They're called 'commissaries'.
https://corp.commissaries.com/our-agency/about-deca
"The Defense Commissary Agency, headquartered at Fort Gregg- Adams,
VA, operates a worldwide chain of commissaries providing groceries in
a safe and secure shopping environment to the most deserving customers
– our military personnel, retirees and their families."
There is one my father still likes to go to at Hanscom Air Force Base
in Bedford MA (as a retiree he still has "base exchange" privileges.
Related - In many US states liquor can only be bought at state-run and
owned liquor stores. There are currently 18 US states which have a
state controlled alcohol monopoly.
https://www.nabca.org/control-state-directory-and-info
Mr. Zohran isn't advocating a take over - it wouldn't be a monopoly
owned by the state. It would be an alternative to offer lower food
prices to low income people.
Regardless of city owned grocery stores, this isn't communism or
totalitarianism. It's a social welfare program - subsidizing food for
low income people. You can scream about your tax dollars going to pay
for such programs, but remember the words of Moses when he opened the
graineries to feed the workers building the pyramids.
"The strong make many [bricks], the weak make few, the dead make none"
Yes, that's complete fiction, but the message is true: A healthy
society is a productive society.
US Military Commissaries are a fine
and necessary thing.
And utterly unrelated.
https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/Documents/defbudget/FY2025/ budget_justification/pdfs/06_Defense_Working_Capital_Fund/DeCA_PB25_J- Book.pdf
P/L is on page 27.
On 7/1/2025 1:32 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
[]'s
People see that differently: >https://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/FRUIT.JPG
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 10:57:30 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:41:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>>> the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination. It's Democratic
Socialism in the same mold as the nordic countries.
IT seems tommy isn't the only one here who wouldn't know what communism
is if it bit him in the ass.
What countries have government owned and run grocery stores?
No need. No poor people there. They are socialist countries.
Highest standard of living in the World.
[]'s
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 15:33:22 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 2:40 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:06:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 7:02 PM, marika wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 6:50 PM, marika wrote:
marika <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/27/2025 4:55 PM, marika wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:29:19 -0500, Mark J cleary
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/15/2025 11:45 AM, John B. wrote:
Today's Bangkok Post has an article
"French President Emmanuel Macron on Sunday criticized US President
Donald Trump's threats to annex Greenland, as he made a visit to the
Danish autonomous territory"
He quotes Trump as saying that, "America needs the strategically >>>>>>>>>>>>> located, resource-rich island for security reasons, and has refused to
rule out the use of force to secure it."
Does any one remember Poland, September 1, 1939?
--
cheers,
John B.
This is crazy to think Trump will get Greenland by some power play.
Certainly he would like it to be part of the US. I am totally all for
his but of course has to be done with the folks in Greenland wanting
this. Comparing it Poland in 1939 is just crazy hyperbole not remotely
like that situation.
You're not evil enough to contrive what it might take to force Denmark
to relinquish Greenland.
Perhaps: Trump convinces his good friend Vladimir Putin to threaten
Denmark or Europe in some manner. Threatening to bomb the natural gas
pipeline from Norway to Poland in the Denmark strait should be >>>>>>>>>>> sufficient.
I have heard many people suggest Putin has some illness that has changed
his attitudes.
I would say “maybe he has a brain tumor” that is the mystery illness
everyone has been imagining he has for the past few years, and is >>>>>>>>>> responsible for causing all this, but I don’t even think it’s that. I
think, much like trump, he’s just an evil sociopathic sadistic malignant
narcissist psychopath who is sick in the head. They both do bizarre
unthinkable things.
The only difference is now that Putin is older, he has the permission
structure now to display and get away with unthinkable things, unlike 25
years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more reasonable person.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Pipe>
The US will offer to defend Denmark in trade for concessions involving
Greenland, such as control of Greenland to defend the shipping routes
that Trump wants so badly.
<https://arctic.noaa.gov/report-card/report-card-2022/satellite-record-of-pan-arctic-maritime-ship-traffic/>
The big advantage is that funding comes from the US government and >>>>>>>>>>> profits from shipping tolls go into Trumps pocket. There's plenty of
risk involved in this plan, but that comes later.
My parents were from Krakow, Poland. In 1939, my father was 29 years
old and very aware of what was happening. He, and some others from >>>>>>>>>>> Poland, mentioned to me that before 1939, few people believed that >>>>>>>>>>> there would be a full scale invasion by Germany. Everyone was >>>>>>>>>>> expecting the usual "parade in force", a show of military power, some
shuffling of elected officials, and then back to business as usual. >>>>>>>>>>>
Maybe I missed that era,
" 25 years ago when he had to at least pretend to be a more
reasonable person. "
Like blowing up apartment buildings full of Russian citizens >>>>>>>>> along with his KGB pals to swing an election? That sounds
oh so very reasonable.
Have to agree with you.
Beslan, right?
Now that I’m seeing so many pictures of Putin in media recently, I am >>>>>>> noticing that he is also slowly joining the freakish head club.
His head is getting really big.
Not figuratively big. Literally big.
Like a pumpkin head.
Quick, think…. what disease gives somebody a pumpkin head?
And how long does it take to die from it?
There have been a series of theories. I have no idea and
frankly amateur diagnosis based on photos is not compelling.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-health-dying-zelensky-34940672
These photos of the pumpkin head surfaced last week
https://charter97.org/ru/news/2025/6/28/646149/
And? Medical diagnosis from a photo is mostly conjecture.
Dr Shadow- Care to comment on that?
Ears get bigger. Nose gets bigger. You grow hairs on your ear
lobes. Your hair thins out. You might go bald. Lower down -- wait,
we're talking about above the shoulder, right ?
No, heads do not become pumpkins.
[]'s
Are you sure?
I thought we had proof from this:
https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/GTY_putin_shirtless_horse_sk_140402.jpg
to this:
https://www.tomspinadesigns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/headless-horseman-lifesize-statue-1.jpg
Sure it's the same guy? The first one seems brighter
somehow....
[]'s
On 7/1/2025 4:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 10:57:30 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:41:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment,� and all the >>>>>>> other government giveaways....
����Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
����And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>>>> the posterior...
����LOL
����[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination. It's Democratic >>>> Socialism in the same mold as the nordic countries.
IT seems tommy isn't the only one here who wouldn't know what communism >>>> is if it bit him in the ass.
What countries have government owned and run grocery stores?
No need. No poor people there. They are socialist countries.
Highest standard of living in the World.
[]'s
???
https://world.kbs.co.kr/service/contents_view.htm?menu_cate=northkorea&board_seq=420123&page=10
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 15:36:33 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 1:32 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
[]'s
People see that differently:
https://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/FRUIT.JPG
In places like Norway people leave stands unattended. You take
your goods, pay for it, figure out the change and take it from the
cash box.
You're telling me that in a war between the US and Norway I
should back Norway?
PS I've seen newspaper stands like that in England. Money for the
milkman on the curb.... long time ago though.
[]'s
On 7/1/2025 3:48 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 11:57 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:35 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:19:25 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:03:56 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 14:11:13 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 13:00:03 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
I have many (more every day) criticisms of Mr Trump, as I >>>>>>>>>>> did every President and most Congressmen (I don't know all >>>>>>>>>>> of those elected in the past 60 years). Pointedly, I'dA little force seems to have had an effect on the Middle East >>>>>>>>>> situation.
advise Mr Trump to actually do something as regards Ukraine. >>>>>>>>>>> Fish or cut bait; Good arguments both ways.
But bold position statements with no force applied is not >>>>>>>>>>> effective and deteriorates deterrence (of which we are
relatively short). And also, that's been done before, with >>>>>>>>>>> many pathetic examples through history. It does not end well. >>>>>>>>>>
The situation escalated. Iran has had weapon-grade uranium for >>>>>>>>> at least 20 years now. If they had intended to use it, they would >>>>>>>>> have. Israel's premier is trying to avoid dozens of charges of >>>>>>>>> corruption by diverting the public's attention.
It was a very stupid decision. By Trump. The US should have
condemned the aggression.
People with shares in death were happy, though...
[]'s
If you believe all that, you must live in a bubble
You should read some of Israel's local papers. Or even some
non-biased EU media.
And avoid Fox #Fake "News" [TM]
[]'s
It’s not as cut and dry as that, absolutely media and political pundits
aren’t convinced that the strike was a military rather than political one
for Netanyahu it was clear that Trump wasn’t expecting this and has been
bounced into this.
But that Iran has been enriching way beyond the civilian usefulness ie 3.5%
apparently is absolutely a concern and Iran is not explaining why. >>>>>>
While might of ended at this point, feeling was would be better done by >>>>>> soft power, than force which very possibly may have the reverse effect. >>>>>>
Ie it’s not a binary support but more nuanced conversation.
Roger Merriman
The Persian leadership piously believes that when they kill
all the Jews and then us*, the Mahdi will come out of the
well and lead them bodily into heaven. Where's your
negotiating position? This is not a classic diplomatic
problem of money, access to markets, tribute, indemnity,
land, non-agression pacts, weapons limitation or any other
such thing.
*In the local vernacular, 'Great Satan' and 'Little Satan'.
Note that's 'when' not 'if'. It is their duty, not their
prerogative.
Yes this is known but equally that the Iranian government is or at least >>>> was desperately unpopular, the Iranians people aren’t the same people nor
hold the same beliefs, after all they had lot more freedom within living >>>> memory.
But it’s also clear how unpopular Netanyahu is hence the idea it needed to
happen now isn’t particularly believable, this is his politics and Trump >>>> has come along for the ride, and clearly wasn’t informed he was expecting
to negotiate.
Is Iran a risk? Absolutely but while they have some enriched uranium, it’s
not enough to make a bomb let alone a delivery system.
Does the enrichment need to stop absolutely, until this point the Iranian >>>> government was in a fairly poor position their proxies had largely be
demolished, but now with the rally behind the flag it’s much less certain.
Again it’s more nuanced and complicated.
Roger Merriman
The present Israeli administration is as popular as in any
modern deeply divided free state (USA or UK or France for
example).
I’d not call Uk or France Deeply divided I’d question what you’re reading
to think that!
From the US perspective, the EU and UK governments have their issues
with building coalitions. However, my interpretation is that the US is
in far worse shape with that regard. IT doesn't help that our president
is a 78-year-old 4th-grade schoolyard bully prone to temper tantrums.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-shows-small-post-war-popularity-bump-for-netanyahu-likud-but-no-majority-for-his-coalition/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-25/ty-article/poll-netanyahus-likud-gains-ground-his-coalition-remains-short-of-knesset-majority/00000197-a37d-d1f0-a79f-fffd07e90000
(Israel has a parliamentary system roughly in the vein of UK
so it's 'party affiliation' not personal popularity for polling)
I’d say it’s quite different attually in that Israel no party ever wins a
full majority but needs to form coalitions, which is very different to the >> UK where the Majority is the norm, and Coalitions are rare and tend to not >> work well.
Netanyahu is having a “war time boost” in the polls though not as much as
he had hoped it’s reported, the lack of focus on the hostages is one
possible reason.
Hence the suspicion that the timing were of a political than military
response.
There is some credibility to that. He is under idictment - the Hamas
attacks couldn't have had better political timing for him. "Mr.
Netanyahu, what did you know and when did you know it?".
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-fact-not-conspiracy-shin-bet-chief-knew-oct-7-attack-likely-didnt-wake-me/
Regardless of city owned grocery stores, this isn't communism or >totalitarianism. It's a social welfare program - subsidizing food for
low income people. You can scream about your tax dollars going to pay
for such programs, but remember the words of Moses when he opened the >graineries to feed the workers building the pyramids.
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 16:48:42 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 4:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 10:57:30 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:41:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination. It's Democratic >>>>> Socialism in the same mold as the nordic countries.
IT seems tommy isn't the only one here who wouldn't know what communism >>>>> is if it bit him in the ass.
What countries have government owned and run grocery stores?
No need. No poor people there. They are socialist countries.
Highest standard of living in the World.
[]'s
???
https://world.kbs.co.kr/service/contents_view.htm?menu_cate=northkorea&board_seq=420123&page=10
Korea is a military dictatorship. It's hardly socialist. LOL
[]'s
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years.
Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
On 7/1/2025 5:58 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 16:48:42 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 4:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 10:57:30 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 10:41:28 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment,� and all the
other government giveaways....
����Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
����And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>>>>>> the posterior...
����LOL
����[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination. It's Democratic >>>>>> Socialism in the same mold as the nordic countries.
IT seems tommy isn't the only one here who wouldn't know what communism >>>>>> is if it bit him in the ass.
What countries have government owned and run grocery stores?
No need. No poor people there. They are socialist countries.
Highest standard of living in the World.
[]'s
???
https://world.kbs.co.kr/service/contents_view.htm?menu_cate=northkorea&board_seq=420123&page=10
Korea is a military dictatorship. It's hardly socialist. LOL
[]'s
Or 'democratic' as their name states.
Again, the issue comes from intentional conflation of communism and
socialism by people on the political right wing (especially in the US) >looking to demonize social welfare programs as "communism". Yes, Marx
saw socialism as a means to the communist ends, but the fact remains
that socialism coexists quite well with representative democracy, as is >evidenced by the Nordic countries Social Democracies.
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 15:36:33 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/1/2025 1:32 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
[]'s
People see that differently: >>https://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/FRUIT.JPG
In places like Norway people leave stands unattended. You take
your goods, pay for it, figure out the change and take it from the
cash box.
You're telling me that in a war between the US and Norway I
should back Norway?
PS I've seen newspaper stands like that in England. Money for the
milkman on the curb.... long time ago though.
[]'s
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years.
Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
https://kinacentrum.se/en/publications/the-chinese-communist-partys-influence-over-businesses/
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years.
Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
https://kinacentrum.se/en/publications/the-chinese-communist-partys-influence-over-businesses/
Doesn't the U.S" exert influence"? Every day I read about more and
more rules and regulations imposed by the U.S. government.
--
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years.
Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years.
Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is the >>>>>>> federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand outs >>>>>>> like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and all the >>>>>>> other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years.
Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship
or just communist?
[]'s
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is >>>>>>>> the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand >>>>>>>> outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and >>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>>>>> the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years.
Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship
or just communist?
[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point. USA is no longer comfortable with free markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
On 7/3/2025 3:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is >>>>>>>>> the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand >>>>>>>>> outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment,� and >>>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
����Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
����And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>>>>>> the posterior...
����LOL
����[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
����That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to >>>>>> poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
����If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
����:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years. >>>>> Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
����Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
����Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship
or just communist?
����[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point.� USA is no longer comfortable with free
markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
Only getting worse...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share-pittsburgh-china-7981a41d2e518fad07c347042f9fdc38
The "golden share" provision:
"Under the provision, Trump � or someone he designates � controls that >decision-making power while he is president. However, control over those >powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce Department
when anyone else is president, according to the filings."
"Still, the wording of the provision is specific to Trump. It lists what >decisions cannot be made �without, ... at any time when Donald J. Trump
is serving as President of the United States of America, the written
consent of Donald J. Trump or President Trump�s Designee�"
On 7/7/2025 9:28 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 7/3/2025 3:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]>State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
wrote:
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. >>>>>>>>>> is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments >>>>>>>>>> hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and >>>>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing >>>>>>> there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to >>>>>>> poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it >>>>>>> would be a good vote.
:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years. >>>>>> Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship >>>> or just communist?
[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point. USA is no longer comfortable with
free markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
Only getting worse...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share-
pittsburgh-china-7981a41d2e518fad07c347042f9fdc38
The "golden share" provision:
"Under the provision, Trump — or someone he designates — controls that >> decision-making power while he is president. However, control over
those powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce
Department when anyone else is president, according to the filings."
"Still, the wording of the provision is specific to Trump. It lists
what decisions cannot be made “without, ... at any time when Donald J.
Trump is serving as President of the United States of America, the
written consent of Donald J. Trump or President Trump’s Designee”"
Yep. We're inching toward monarchy. Most Republicans are already kissing
the ring.
On 7/7/2025 9:28 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 7/3/2025 3:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. >>>>>>>>>> is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments >>>>>>>>>> hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment,� and >>>>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
����Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
����And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>>>>>>> the posterior...
����LOL
����[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
����That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to >>>>>>> poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
����If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it
would be a good vote.
����:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years. >>>>>> Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
����Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
����Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship
or just communist?
����[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point.� USA is no longer comfortable with
free markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
Only getting worse...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share-
pittsburgh-china-7981a41d2e518fad07c347042f9fdc38
The "golden share" provision:
"Under the provision, Trump � or someone he designates � controls that
decision-making power while he is president. However, control over those
powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce Department
when anyone else is president, according to the filings."
"Still, the wording of the provision is specific to Trump. It lists what
decisions cannot be made �without, ... at any time when Donald J. Trump
is serving as President of the United States of America, the written
consent of Donald J. Trump or President Trump�s Designee�"
Yep. We're inching toward monarchy. Most Republicans are already kissing
the ring.
On 7/7/2025 10:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:28 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 7/3/2025 3:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated >>>>>>> "communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years. >>>>>>> Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>> is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments >>>>>>>>>>> hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment,� and >>>>>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
����Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
����And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in >>>>>>>>>> the posterior...
����LOL
����[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
����That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing
there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to >>>>>>>> poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
����If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it >>>>>>>> would be a good vote.
����:)
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
����Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
����Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship
or just communist?
����[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point.� USA is no longer comfortable with
free markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
Only getting worse...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share-
pittsburgh-china-7981a41d2e518fad07c347042f9fdc38
The "golden share" provision:
"Under the provision, Trump � or someone he designates � controls that
decision-making power while he is president. However, control over
those powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce
Department when anyone else is president, according to the filings."
"Still, the wording of the provision is specific to Trump. It lists
what decisions cannot be made �without, ... at any time when Donald J.
Trump is serving as President of the United States of America, the
written consent of Donald J. Trump or President Trump�s Designee�"
Yep. We're inching toward monarchy. Most Republicans are already kissing
the ring.
The irony being those are the same ones screaming about a democratic >socialist in new york being a communist (which he isn't) yet here they
are supporting a government takeover of a private business, with the >"president" being given executive decision authority over the business.
But no....that's not fascism at all! It couldn't be, because Donald
Trump is such a good patriot and christian!
"When fascism comes to america, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross" - Falsely attributed to Sinclair Lewis
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:28:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/3/2025 3:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is >>>>>>>>>> the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand >>>>>>>>>> outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and >>>>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing >>>>>>> there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to >>>>>>> poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it >>>>>>> would be a good vote.
:)
"communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years. >>>>>> Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship >>>> or just communist?
[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point. USA is no longer comfortable with free >>> markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
Only getting worse...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share-pittsburgh-china-7981a41d2e518fad07c347042f9fdc38
The "golden share" provision:
"Under the provision, Trump — or someone he designates — controls that >> decision-making power while he is president. However, control over those
powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce Department
when anyone else is president, according to the filings."
"Still, the wording of the provision is specific to Trump. It lists what
decisions cannot be made “without, ... at any time when Donald J. Trump
is serving as President of the United States of America, the written
consent of Donald J. Trump or President Trump’s Designee”"
There was something in our news yesterday, about non-right
wing media being "censured" by an executive order that does not allow
to post interviews or news that does not fit his agenda. Example given
are Paramount (CBS News) which was fined 16 million dollars for an
interview Trump did not like (there were no legal proceedings) and
Disney (ABC News) for another program...
There are no usable links, so I can't check it out. All the
links you (like the apnews one above) or A Muzi give are blocked in
Brazil. I'm redirected to another page that says "Google has detected suspicious activity coming from your computer." and asks me to
identify myself... Quite frustrating.
[]'s
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 11:05:49 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/7/2025 10:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:28 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 7/3/2025 3:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated >>>>>>>> "communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years. >>>>>>>> Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>> is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments >>>>>>>>>>>> hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and >>>>>>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing >>>>>>>>> there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to >>>>>>>>> poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century. >>>>>>>>> If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it >>>>>>>>> would be a good vote.
:)
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship >>>>>> or just communist?
[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point. USA is no longer comfortable with >>>>> free markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
Only getting worse...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share-
pittsburgh-china-7981a41d2e518fad07c347042f9fdc38
The "golden share" provision:
"Under the provision, Trump — or someone he designates — controls that >>>> decision-making power while he is president. However, control over
those powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce
Department when anyone else is president, according to the filings."
"Still, the wording of the provision is specific to Trump. It lists
what decisions cannot be made “without, ... at any time when Donald J. >>>> Trump is serving as President of the United States of America, the
written consent of Donald J. Trump or President Trump’s Designee”"
Yep. We're inching toward monarchy. Most Republicans are already kissing >>> the ring.
The irony being those are the same ones screaming about a democratic
socialist in new york being a communist (which he isn't) yet here they
are supporting a government takeover of a private business, with the
"president" being given executive decision authority over the business.
But no....that's not fascism at all! It couldn't be, because Donald
Trump is such a good patriot and christian!
"When fascism comes to america, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross" - Falsely attributed to Sinclair Lewis
Government takeover of a private business, you say.. Is that like when
the governments mandated masks and vaccinations and firing of those
who wouldn't complay?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 7/7/2025 11:04 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 11:05:49 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/7/2025 10:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/7/2025 9:28 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 7/3/2025 3:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:Yep. We're inching toward monarchy. Most Republicans are already
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated >>>>>>>>> "communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for >>>>>>>>> years.
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>> is the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments >>>>>>>>>>>>> hand outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he >>>>>>>>>>>> realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit >>>>>>>>>>>> him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing >>>>>>>>>> there about the State controlling industries. Distributing >>>>>>>>>> food to
poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century. >>>>>>>>>> If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it >>>>>>>>>> would be a good vote.
:)
Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship
or just communist?
[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point. USA is no longer comfortable with >>>>>> free markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
Only getting worse...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share-
pittsburgh-china-7981a41d2e518fad07c347042f9fdc38
The "golden share" provision:
"Under the provision, Trump — or someone he designates — controls that
decision-making power while he is president. However, control over
those powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce
Department when anyone else is president, according to the filings." >>>>>
"Still, the wording of the provision is specific to Trump. It lists
what decisions cannot be made “without, ... at any time when Donald J. >>>>> Trump is serving as President of the United States of America, the
written consent of Donald J. Trump or President Trump’s Designee”" >>>>
kissing
the ring.
The irony being those are the same ones screaming about a democratic
socialist in new york being a communist (which he isn't) yet here they
are supporting a government takeover of a private business, with the
"president" being given executive decision authority over the business.
But no....that's not fascism at all! It couldn't be, because Donald
Trump is such a good patriot and christian!
"When fascism comes to america, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross" - Falsely attributed to Sinclair Lewis
Government takeover of a private business, you say.. Is that like when
the governments mandated masks and vaccinations and firing of those
who wouldn't complay?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Bad enough but some Governors ordered businesses, manufacturers,
churches and schools closed:
https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/news/whitmer-praised-at-the- time-of-lockdown-orders
while especially high state tax businesses were ordered to remain open.
On 7/7/2025 10:04 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:28:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/3/2025 3:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated >>>>>>> "communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years. >>>>>>> Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is >>>>>>>>>>> the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand >>>>>>>>>>> outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment, and >>>>>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes
he's been supporting communism all along.
And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit >>>>>>>>>> him in
the posterior...
LOL
[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing >>>>>>>> there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to >>>>>>>> poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century.
If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it >>>>>>>> would be a good vote.
:)
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship >>>>> or just communist?
[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point. USA is no longer comfortable with
free
markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
Only getting worse...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share-
pittsburgh-china-7981a41d2e518fad07c347042f9fdc38
The "golden share" provision:
"Under the provision, Trump — or someone he designates — controls that >>> decision-making power while he is president. However, control over those >>> powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce Department
when anyone else is president, according to the filings."
"Still, the wording of the provision is specific to Trump. It lists what >>> decisions cannot be made “without, ... at any time when Donald J. Trump >>> is serving as President of the United States of America, the written
consent of Donald J. Trump or President Trump’s Designee”"
There was something in our news yesterday, about non-right
wing media being "censured" by an executive order that does not allow
to post interviews or news that does not fit his agenda. Example given
are Paramount (CBS News) which was fined 16 million dollars for an
interview Trump did not like (there were no legal proceedings) and
Disney (ABC News) for another program...
There are no usable links, so I can't check it out. All the
links you (like the apnews one above) or A Muzi give are blocked in
Brazil. I'm redirected to another page that says "Google has detected
suspicious activity coming from your computer." and asks me to
identify myself... Quite frustrating.
[]'s
There was no fine. A civil suit was filed but Paramount chose to settle before trial.
see also:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/zuckerberg-says-the-white-house- pressured-facebook-to-censor-some-covid-19-content-during-the-pandemic
On 7/7/2025 12:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/7/2025 10:04 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:28:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/3/2025 3:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated >>>>>>>> "communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years. >>>>>>>> Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is >>>>>>>>>>>> the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand >>>>>>>>>>>> outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment,� and >>>>>>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
�����Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
�����And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit >>>>>>>>>>> him in
the posterior...
�����LOL
�����[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
�����That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing >>>>>>>>> there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to >>>>>>>>> poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century. >>>>>>>>> �����If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it >>>>>>>>> would be a good vote.
�����:)
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
�����Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
�����Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship >>>>>> or just communist?
�����[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point.� USA is no longer comfortable with
free
markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
Only getting worse...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share-
pittsburgh-china-7981a41d2e518fad07c347042f9fdc38
The "golden share" provision:
"Under the provision, Trump � or someone he designates � controls that >>>> decision-making power while he is president. However, control over those >>>> powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce Department
when anyone else is president, according to the filings."
"Still, the wording of the provision is specific to Trump. It lists what >>>> decisions cannot be made �without, ... at any time when Donald J. Trump >>>> is serving as President of the United States of America, the written
consent of Donald J. Trump or President Trump�s Designee�"
����There was something in our news yesterday, about non-right
wing media being "censured" by an executive order that does not allow
to post interviews or news that does not fit his agenda. Example given
are Paramount (CBS News) which was fined 16 million dollars for an
interview Trump did not like (there were no legal proceedings) and
Disney (ABC News) for another program...
����There are no usable links, so I can't check it out. All the
links you (like the apnews one above) or A Muzi give are blocked in
Brazil. I'm redirected to another page that says "Google has detected
suspicious activity coming from your computer." and asks me to
identify myself... Quite frustrating.
����[]'s
There was no fine. A civil suit was filed but Paramount chose to settle
before trial.
see also:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/zuckerberg-says-the-white-house-
pressured-facebook-to-censor-some-covid-19-content-during-the-pandemic
Beware, Dr. Shadow. What Andrew is attempting to show is that there was
some alleged political motivation behind the government pressuring
facebook to label misinformation as such. Essentially the republicans
were attempting to paint labeling their attempts to spread lies about
the pandemic and the people trying to work for public health as lies was >'censorship'.
On 7/7/2025 12:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/7/2025 10:04 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 09:28:27 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/3/2025 3:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/3/2025 1:06 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 08:05:31 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 7/2/2025 2:55 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 15:32:01 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2025 08:02:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:State controlling industry? But China which is usually designated >>>>>>>> "communist" has had foreign owned and controlled industry for years. >>>>>>>> Cummin Motor for 40 years, for example.
On 6/30/2025 3:13 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 17:30:21 -0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hmmm.... Communism.... well, the largest employer in the U.S. is >>>>>>>>>>>> the
federal government, then, of course we have the governments hand >>>>>>>>>>>> outs
like Social Security, aid to unwed mothers, unemployment,� and >>>>>>>>>>>> all the
other government giveaways....
�����Don't do that. Tom will have a heart attack when he realizes >>>>>>>>>>> he's been supporting communism all along.
�����And he STILL wouldn't know what communism was if it bit >>>>>>>>>>> him in
the posterior...
�����LOL
�����[]'s
OH, we all know what it is:
https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform
�����That's not communism, that's left-wing democracy. Nothing >>>>>>>>> there about the State controlling industries. Distributing food to >>>>>>>>> poor people? The EU has been doing that for almost a century. >>>>>>>>> �����If he was a repuglican you'd probably vote for him. And it >>>>>>>>> would be a good vote.
�����:)
--
cheers,
John B.
Yes and no.
The Party exerts influence even when not owning a
controlling interest in foreign facilities and entities:
�����Ah, like Tik-tock (or whatever) and Kaspersky.
�����Does interfering with foreign companies make it a dictatorship >>>>>> or just communist?
�����[]'s
Yes you make an excellent point.� USA is no longer comfortable with
free
markets or individual liberty.
Much to our loss and this is an ongoing catastrophe.
Only getting worse...
https://apnews.com/article/trump-us-steel-nippon-golden-share-
pittsburgh-china-7981a41d2e518fad07c347042f9fdc38
The "golden share" provision:
"Under the provision, Trump � or someone he designates � controls that >>>> decision-making power while he is president. However, control over those >>>> powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce Department
when anyone else is president, according to the filings."
"Still, the wording of the provision is specific to Trump. It lists what >>>> decisions cannot be made �without, ... at any time when Donald J. Trump >>>> is serving as President of the United States of America, the written
consent of Donald J. Trump or President Trump�s Designee�"
����There was something in our news yesterday, about non-right
wing media being "censured" by an executive order that does not allow
to post interviews or news that does not fit his agenda. Example given
are Paramount (CBS News) which was fined 16 million dollars for an
interview Trump did not like (there were no legal proceedings) and
Disney (ABC News) for another program...
����There are no usable links, so I can't check it out. All the
links you (like the apnews one above) or A Muzi give are blocked in
Brazil. I'm redirected to another page that says "Google has detected
suspicious activity coming from your computer." and asks me to
identify myself... Quite frustrating.
����[]'s
There was no fine. A civil suit was filed but Paramount chose to settle
before trial.
see also:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/zuckerberg-says-the-white-house-
pressured-facebook-to-censor-some-covid-19-content-during-the-pandemic
Beware, Dr. Shadow. What Andrew is attempting to show is that there was
some alleged political motivation behind the government pressuring
facebook to label misinformation as such. Essentially the republicans
were attempting to paint labeling their attempts to spread lies about
the pandemic and the people trying to work for public health as lies was >'censorship'.
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 14:02:47 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>..........
wrote:
Beware, Dr. Shadow. What Andrew is attempting to show is that there was >>some alleged political motivation behind the government pressuring
facebook to label misinformation as such. Essentially the republicans
were attempting to paint labeling their attempts to spread lies about
the pandemic and the people trying to work for public health as lies was >>'censorship'.
Of course there was political motivation, and much of what the
government called lies have been shown to be true.
On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 14:19:31 -0400, floriduh dumbass
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 14:02:47 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>..........
wrote:
Beware, Dr. Shadow. What Andrew is attempting to show is that there was
some alleged political motivation behind the government pressuring
facebook to label misinformation as such. Essentially the republicans
were attempting to paint labeling their attempts to spread lies about
the pandemic and the people trying to work for public health as lies was >>> 'censorship'.
Of course there was political motivation,
and much of what the
government called lies have been shown to be true.
On Mon, 07 Jul 2025 14:19:31 -0400, floriduh dumbass
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 14:02:47 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>..........
wrote:
Beware, Dr. Shadow. What Andrew is attempting to show is that there was >>>> some alleged political motivation behind the government pressuring
facebook to label misinformation as such. Essentially the republicans
were attempting to paint labeling their attempts to spread lies about
the pandemic and the people trying to work for public health as lies was >>>> 'censorship'.
Of course there was political motivation,
And as usual, you make a claim you can't back up.
and much of what the
government called lies have been shown to be true.
ibid
On 7/7/2025 6:55 PM, Shadow wrote:
Does anyone here think Zuckerberg is mentally sane?
Oh, he's sane. But his morals are all based on what's good for
Zuckerberg and his companies. Nothing else matters. And he, like many
heads of large companies, are perfectly willing to kneel before Trump if
it may help their bottom line.
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