On 6/6/2025 2:06 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Jun 3 19:20:36 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/3/2025 7:02 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 18:37:18 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/3/2025 5:57 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 22:10:14 -0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
There are thousand of illegals. It would take years and $$$$$ to >>>>>>> process them all through the courts... and besides, it's not
necessary.
I sincerely hope for your sake you never have the finger pointed at you
through administrative error.
I'm neither in the USA illegally, nor have I committed any crimes, so >>>>> you needn't worry.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
It's not that. It's the possibility of an error such as I
referenced recently:
https://atlantablackstar.com/2024/09/08/elderly-new-jersey-woman-jailed-for-two-weeks-in-wrongful-arrest-cant-sue-u-s-marshals-court-rules/
IMHO that woman is owed a lot and formal public apologies
all around. But so far nada. (p.s. note dates in that story)
I hope she get's big bucks and the people behind the arrest loose
their jobs and their pensions. Mistakes have occurred in all areas of >>> law enforcement.... but still, we cannot process all the illegals
through the court systems. In the mean time, I'm not going to worry
about being misidentified and sent to prison any more than I worry
about getting hit with a meteorite
--
C'est bon
Soloman
OK that's reasonable, but Mr Jorgensen has a point.
She's not an one-off. There are a couple dozen of those
every year. Every year.
Suing for false arrest and then for damages is a dicey
process depending on jurisdiction and the personalities
involved.
The Statutes are clear about illegal alien criminals. Then
again, the laws are very clear about US citizens' civil
rights too...
But the laws were designed when the problem was hundreds and not millions.
Was there some deficiency in the Statutes? There's been no
serious move in Congress to change immigration law since the
1990s. Or, as a noted person said, "We didn't need new laws.
We needed a new President."
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters
In article <A6p0Q.372615$[email protected]>,
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
why would El Salvador have a warrany out in his name.
No idea. Maybe that's a good item to bring before a US court.
Is it your belief they have unlimited prison space?
It's relatively unlimited. Trump asked Bukele to build five more and
we're paying him for all the prisoners he takes.
On 6/5/2025 7:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Frank and Flunky persist in thinking that the Biden government was unquestionably good. Covid-19 taught them nothing at all.
I thought that Trump was president when Covid-19 hit.
On 6/5/2025 6:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 4 13:27:52 2025 Rolf Mantel wrote:
So you claim to be a US citizen, the government claim you're not.
Should you get a hearing or should the government deport you without a
hearing?
hat is not an argument Rolf. You cannot argue with either an honest birth certificate or now a Real ID. Birth Certificates are certified at the time and place of your birth.
I have no doubt that 'Real ID' will be counterfeited equally
as well as current ID. Post haste.
And birth certificates are certified 'as valid copy' by the
registrar or clerk when the duplicate is made. You will
never see the original record.
(I have never seen mine, or a copy, in any form. I believe
that it likely exists in the county record but I never had
to produce a copy and never pursued it.)
In article <tXp0Q.854766$[email protected]>,
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
You cannot argue with either an honest birth certificate or now a Real
ID. Birth Certificates are certified at the time and place of your
birth.
I'm not sure how that's relevant when you're already on a plane over international waters on the way to your Salvadorian prison. But feel
free to tell the "flight attendants" about it.
In article <FPo0Q.542385$[email protected]>,
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Were it relly the case that we deported a member of MS-13 mistakenly
under mistaken identity [...] why did he have a warrany out for him in
his home country? And how did he manage to stay alive here since MS-13
kill fakers?
I don't know. Let's get it to court and get an answer, what do you say?
On 6/6/2025 9:50 PM, Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <FPo0Q.542385$[email protected]>,
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Were it relly the case that we deported a member of MS-13 mistakenly
under mistaken identity [...] why did he have a warrany out for him in
his home country? And how did he manage to stay alive here since MS-13
kill fakers?
I don't know. Let's get it to court and get an answer, what do you say?
That's already been determined. He had a hearing which did _not_
determine him to be a member of any gang, and there wasn't a warrant out
for him in Guatemala.
You're new here, you have to realize tommy just makes stuff up on the
fly most of the time, other times he just repeats what he's read
somewhere as long as it comports with his world view.
On 6/9/2025 12:45 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Jun 7 15:06:15 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <1020f63$2pd7f$[email protected]>, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
In our Constitution, the Article III courts may only decide "cases and >>> controversies" by applying the laws as written. They have no policy,
legislative or oversight authority.
My point is that if you are wrongly arrested, the courts can free you.
That "oversight" is what I'm referring to.
on society and you're not paying taxes and so wish not to follow the Constitution in the most economical way, hut rather wish to take us on the most expensive route possible.I have asked you your age and what you do for a living and you have not answered. I can therefore only assume that you are young and not employed. And unemployable people usually are drug addicts. It doesn't bother you in the least if you're a drag
people that it can get and the Democrats have twisted the narative that having money is bad and it should be taxed away from you. That is communism pure and simple. So what are your actual beliefs?It appears to me the direction you're traveling is towards homelessness and fentanyl addiction ending in overdose and death. While the world would be better off without Flunky, Liebermann and Krygowski, it needs all of the lawful and honest young
Either Mr Jorgensen's argument is valid or it isn't. In this
case it is (IMHO of course).
Given his argument, you may agree or you may disagree as you
wish. If you disagree, you ought to provide a counter
argument or disparate facts. You did neither.
No matter who Mr Jorgensen may be, no matter what he does or
does not do, it's immaterial. You either agree or disagree
with what he wrote and that's that.
Instead you assumed he is young. For no obvious reason.
You assumed young people are unemployed.
You assumed unemployed are drug addicts.
You even posited that drug addicts are a drag on society.
Some indeed are. Some are not.
You accused Mr Jorgensen of not paying taxes. That's the
same sort of vicious lie Mr Reid used to unfairly smear Mr
Romney in an historically deplorable incident, even for the
general low character of US Senators.
In short, nothing of value was added and instead of
pondering Mr Jorgensen's character, your post made us all
question yours.
On 6/12/2025 12:31 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jun 9 15:36:33 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jun 2025 18:10:07 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Garcia is NOT a citizen and was brought back to answer crimnal charges of interstate transport of illegal aliens over a LONG period. There is no protection from those sorts of charges.
He worked in construction and drove his colleagues to work.
There is no mention if they were legal or not. If they were illegal,
it's strange the company that employed them was not fined.
He was fined once for driving with an expired license.
I really don't think driving with an expired license is more
serious than being a gang member(and possibly a drug
trafficker/murderer). That's reason they said he was sent to jail
without due process.
Yet they said they brought him back to try him for "more
serious crimes"(the expired driver's license).
though he hasn't been and will simply cop a plea and get 15 monthsExpired driver's license? Exactly why you left wind extremist claims? He was brought back to stand trial for interstate transportation of illegal aliens and every state line crossed between Texas and Tennesee he could be charged with the same crime
years. The indictment alleges Abrego Garcia transported undocumented people for private financial gain, meaning he would be subject to a maximum of 10 years in prison if he is convicted as he is charged""For count one, conspiracy to transport aliens, the maximum penalty is a fine, imprisonment for not more than 10 years or both.
For count two, unlawful transportation of undocumented aliens, the maximum term of imprisonment is five years, unless the offense was committed for "commercial advantage or private financial gain," in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10
What's the Statute of Limitations on that? How available
and reliable are witnesses three years later?
On 6/7/2025 7:23 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Jun 5 23:25:45 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/5/2025 8:45 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/5/2025 6:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 4 13:27:52 2025 Rolf Mantel wrote:
So you claim to be a US citizen, the government claim you're not.
Should you get a hearing or should the government deport you without a >>>>> hearing?
hat is not an argument Rolf. You cannot argue with either an honest
birth certificate or now a Real ID. Birth Certificates are certified >>>> at the time and place of your birth.
I have no doubt that 'Real ID' will be counterfeited equally as well as >>> current ID. Post haste.
For a while I consulted for a company that produced commercial
holograms. While I was there, they got a request - thinly disguised - to >> forge whatever hologram is built into California drivers' licenses. They >> refused, of course.
I suspect someone will soon find a way to counterfeit Real ID.
Frank, your suspicions of what MAY happen are not reality. California DMV may very well issue driver's licences to illegals as Real_ID and that is pretty sure. Probably 1/4th of the workers at the DMV are already illegals.
:-) Wow! You must be really good at telling who's illegal and who's not
- even better than their employers!
Do you ask everyone you see for their documentation? ;-)
On 6/5/2025 7:02 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Jun 5 17:09:50 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 16:09:30 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 6/5/2025 2:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/5/2025 12:59 PM, Beej Jorgensen wrote:There's a difference between refusing to identify yourself and not
In article <[email protected]>,
Catrike Ryder? <[email protected]> wrote:
No, they mnay have got a hearing when they showed that they were >>>>>> citizens, but not before.
And so you must always carry proof of citizenship 100% of the time, or >>>>> else you're deported without hearing. Don't leave home without it, kids.
I'm not advocating either way but merely being a US citizen and walking >>>> around with no ID can get you arrested (depends on the jurisdiction and >>>> circumstances).
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Failure- >>>> identify-police-officer.htm
https://legalclarity.org/do-you-have-to-identify-yourself-to-the-police/ >>>
producing identification. The former is generally what your links are
referring to. Failure to produce identification isn't an offense...yet >>>
There were (are?) places where no ID and "no visible means of support" >>>> is defined as vagrancy = 3 days and a ride to the county line.? Happened >>>> to me, long ago.
There aren't many enforced statutes anymore for failure to produce ID, >>> in large part due to the 1972 SCoTUS ruling in Papachristou v.
Jacksonville which invalidated the Jacksonville vagrancy law as
"unconstitutionally vague" (aka "Void for Vagueness").
The ruling was unanimous and forced states to amend their vagrancy and >>> loitering laws to the extent that vagrancy is no longer anything more
than an insult.
https://www.law.virginia.edu/scholarship/publication/risa-goluboff/640716 >>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papachristou_v._City_of_Jacksonville
.
Supposedly the "real Id" thing corrected that, but it would surprise
me if some blue states issued them to illegals.
That would be a serious felony.
In theory maybe.
It's ongoing; no charges, no convictions and none in the
foreseeable future.
On 6/5/2025 7:07 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Jun 5 14:55:39 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 6/5/2025 2:38 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 13:14:40 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/5/2025 12:59 PM, Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
No, they mnay have got a hearing when they showed that they were >>>>>> citizens, but not before.
And so you must always carry proof of citizenship 100% of the time, or >>>>> else you're deported without hearing. Don't leave home without it, kids.
I'm not advocating either way but merely being a US citizen
and walking around with no ID can get you arrested (depends
on the jurisdiction and circumstances).
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Failure-identify-police-officer.htm
https://legalclarity.org/do-you-have-to-identify-yourself-to-the-police/ >>>>
There were (are?) places where no ID and "no visible means
of support" is defined as vagrancy = 3 days and a ride to
the county line. Happened to me, long ago.
Vagrancy is another thing.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
It's an unclear issue, especially that some States hand out
ID and even driving licenses to illegal aliens. US citizen
vagrants would imaginably be unable to prove identity while
standing next to a deportable illegal with valid ID.
Again I take no position on this or that but "no ID" is a
very fuzzy standard.
A driver's lisence is suppose to clearly say citizen or undocumented alien.
And you trust Shirley Weber on that??
I do not.
On 6/5/2025 8:07 PM, cyclintom wrote:
A driver's lisence is suppose to clearly say citizen or undocumented alien.
Does yours? Mine does not contain either term.
On 6/5/2025 7:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I watched approximately 100 illegals vote for Obama at my local voting place. There was NO WAY you could have mistaken them as anything other than Mexicans. Most of them couldn't speak English and a large percentage were illiterate.
That's amazingly perceptive of you! I can't spot an illiterate person
just by looking at them.
In article <pbq0Q.746378$[email protected]>,
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a Real ID in my pocket right now. All traveler outside of the national boundaries has to show proof of citizenship (a passport) at
all times.
Indeed, you should carry it inside the national boundaries at all times,
as well, since some people apparently think you can be deported without
a hearing if anyone suspects you of being in the country illegally.
Look, I watched approximately 100 illegals vote for Obama at my local voting place.
I'm really curious how you knew for a fact they were illegal. But that's
not really what I'm on about here.
What I'm on about is that without a hearing, any crooked cop could point
a finger at you and have you deported to prison for life for being an
illegal immigrant. It's all about the due process.
Do you REALLY think that anything close to a majority voted for Biden?
I wasn't sure, but after Trump lost 60+ court cases trying to prove
illegal voting activity, I'm pretty confident that things were on the up-and-up overall. 60+ court cases is a LOT of vetting. Hats off to
Trump for being so thorough. :)
On 6/6/2025 9:24 PM, Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <pbq0Q.746378$[email protected]>,
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
I have a Real ID in my pocket right now. All traveler outside of the
national boundaries has to show proof of citizenship (a passport) at
all times.
Indeed, you should carry it inside the national boundaries at all times,
as well, since some people apparently think you can be deported without
a hearing if anyone suspects you of being in the country illegally.
Look, I watched approximately 100 illegals vote for Obama at my local
voting place.
I'm really curious how you knew for a fact they were illegal. But that's not really what I'm on about here.
Tommy has magic powers. He can tell if someone is an illegal immigrant
and illiterate just by looking at them. He doesn't even have to be close up!
What I'm on about is that without a hearing, any crooked cop could point
a finger at you and have you deported to prison for life for being an illegal immigrant. It's all about the due process.
Do you REALLY think that anything close to a majority voted for Biden?
I wasn't sure, but after Trump lost 60+ court cases trying to prove
illegal voting activity, I'm pretty confident that things were on the up-and-up overall. 60+ court cases is a LOT of vetting. Hats off to
Trump for being so thorough. :)
there was never any doubt in my mind that the election was fair and completely legitimate. The magatards claims make no more sense than
claiming the sun wasn't going to rise tomorrow.
On 6/6/2025 9:24 PM, Beej Jorgensen wrote:
Trump lost 60+ court cases trying to prove
illegal voting activity, I'm pretty confident that things were on the up-and-up overall. 60+ court cases is a LOT of vetting. Hats off to
Trump for being so thorough. :)
But as I just posted, lack of proof has never deterred a conspiracy
theorist.
Nor has proof _against_ their theory.
On 6/7/2025 6:13 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Jun 4 19:08:36 2025 Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
US citizens should indeed get a hearing.
So if the government says you're not a US citizen (even if you are), you >> don't get a hearing. This is a planet-sized loophole, you see?
NONE of the news shows are trusted and even the Wall Street Journal and New York Times are considered no more trustworthy than the supermarket tattle tale sheets.Where do you get the idea that you don't get a hearing? If you have a birth certificate or a up to date passport or a Real ID, that is proof that you're an American citizen. What is with you people repeating the Slime Stream Media lies? This is why
We have ABSOLUTE PROOF that the CIA assassinated JFK and the Democrats let the entire thing slide.
We do not have proof sufficient for a conviction of anyone,
relevant evidence having been destroyed long ago. There are
strong suggestions, many and compelling, but not proof.
On 6/12/2025 12:54 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jun 9 20:38:35 2025 AMuzi wrote:
I usually do not but this morning I gave it my best.
To no avail.
p.s. Mr Kunich often begins with a true minuscule factoid
before launching off into outer space, crystals and
hallucinati9ns, all mixed.
Actually, I got the Trump approval of the illegals deportation of 60% mixed up with the percentage of deaths from mRNA vaccines of 74%.
But weren't you arguing that Tom Ritchie built Jobst's frame when people that were actually there said that Peter Rich did it? Perhaps you should tone down the launching into outer space rhetoric.
That's not right. I know Mr Ritchey and I knew Mr Rich. But
hey don't take my word, ring up Tom Ritchey; it's a local
call for you.
On 6/14/2025 3:35 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Sinovac was a resposiboly made and tested REAL vaccine that developed properly and was not available during the Covid-19 pandemic ...
I'm still wondering why you're not complaining about the president who bragged about his "Operation Warp Speed" that led to the fast
development of the Covid vaccine.
Why are you giving that guy a pass?
Oh poor little baby has to deny reality.
https://nypost.com/2025/04/30/us-news/kilmar-abrego-garcia-bragged-he-could-kill-his-wife-and-get-away-with-it-court-docs/Hmm. Donald Trump: ""I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and
shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like,
incredible."
You've bragged that you could destroy me, or Zen, or anyone you cared to
with one punch.
None of that means much.
On 6/15/2025 8:24 PM, cyclintom wrote:LONG did it take to end slavery? Do you think that dozens of court cases were not submitted before a war ensued? The Constitution was clear "All Men Are Created Equal" And it took killing most of the men in the south to force that upon them.
Frank, you just took mRNA vaccines for which NO ONE could ask any questions. And yet you do not believe that the same thing doesn't happen in the legal system? If a case is thrown out of lower courts it is generally not taken up by higher courts. HOW
Tom seems even more agitated and nonsensical than usual. I wonder what's going on there.
On 7/2/2025 8:39 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I believe he is presently awaiting trial where MS-13 hinchment have threatened the life of his wife... [etc.]
Looks like Tom has posted something like 80 times today! I wonder if
that's a record.
Whether a record or not, it's a sign of some big abnormality. Maybe medications need adjustment?
On 7/7/2025 2:07 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Jul 7 12:42:07 2025 Rolf Mantel wrote:
There's "zero detriment" only for people who regularly use guns anyways. >> If a rookie sees the need to carry a gun for cycling, they first have to >> buy a gun (which implies filling the paperwork needed, which implies
getting the necessary licences if needed). Then they have to spend lots >> of hours training to use a gun which they might prefer spending on
bicycling.
In most states here there is no paperwork to buy a gun. We have the 2nd Amendment.
Well, yes. And them there's California...
On 7/7/2025 3:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jul 6 12:30:51 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
You?re living in a fantasy world if you expect folks to believe a 70/80
year old recovering from concussion, would be able to fight, or frankly
pose a threat!
Maybe 20 years ago but as with life it passes!
Sorry Roger, but all you're saying is that you don't know how to fight. You're just like Krygowski and believe that you take wild swings at someone and then fall down.That's not what I said. I think _you_, Tom, would take a wild swing then
fall down. You've admitted to brain damage, balance problems and vision problems.
Then there's your missing toe. That would impose further problems with stability on your feet.
In article <8jG1Q.965767$[email protected]>,
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm curious to know why you think that citizens can be declared as criminals without court trial findings?
I would have thought this was obvious, but:
1. A law enforcement agency accuses a citizen of being a non-citizen.
2. That law enforcement agency immediately puts the accused on a plane
to a foreign prison because non-citizens don't have the right to due
process.
But maybe never in the history of the United States has a citizen ever
been accused of being a non-citizen, who can know.
On 7/7/2025 3:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Jul 6 12:07:34 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
Some people are much more fearful than others.
So that is why you had to be prepared to ride through Youngstown.
As I've said, my preparation was a pump, patch kit, water bottle and
jacket.
On 6/5/2025 8:13 PM, cyclintom wrote:
You were being completely serious when you posted that you had to get ready to ride through west Youngstown.
Sure, as I've explained. Remember, I used to commute to work by bike.
Getting ready meant strapping my briefcase on the bike's rear rack,
clipping on an eyeglass mirror (optional but handy in traffic), putting
on an appropriate jacket, and using a safety pin to tighten my right
pants cuff so it stayed away from the chain.
Tom, you probably do more to prepare for your recreational rides. I'll
bet you change into a riding costume. I commuted in ordinary business
casual clothes.
In article <twddQ.332972$[email protected]>,
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Brian, you're quite right. But they STILL voted for him over a
Republican.
They voted for him over Trump. There are a lot of people like me who,
when Trump said it was allowable to terminate the articles of the Constitution, decided the man wasn't fit to be President of the United
States since that's a direct contradiction to his oath of office. Not to mention a seriously offensive thing to say to all Americans.
So from my perspective, I'd have voted for a wet bag of rocks before
Trump, since the wet bag of rocks has more respect for the Constitution
than he does.
And they looked the other way at election fraud so flagrant that it
takes people like Flunky to claim "there was not proof".
Trump made me extremely confident with his 60+ court cases that there
was no fraud. That was a lot of thorough investigation, maybe more than
has happened in any other election.
You'll never find a stronger proponent for legitimate and complete
elections than myself, and I encouraged all those court cases. If there
was something there, I wanted to know about it. And after all that, they failed to show fraud despite having so-called mountains of evidence.
On 7/2/2025 3:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:that since they had to actually enter the voting booth with these illegals who were illiterate and could not read the directions of how to vote! Is there some reason that you cannot stop yourself from lying?
References please. I know exactly who the legals and illegals are around me. I also new and my beliefs were seconded by the poll workers who were forced to accept illegal alien votes. Both the Democrat and Republican poll workers complained about
Maybe you do. Maybe you don't.
Whitey Bulger's neighbors had no idea for decades.
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