Took the Idol into the shop on Saturday to see if Robinson can figure
what is wrong with the discs. Previous disc brake bikes I built would
lift the rear wheel if you put the front brake on too hard. Not only will this one not but the brakes sqeal so loudly coming to a stop that the vibration triggers the fall-off detector in the Garmin. My guess is that
the actuators are misaligned vertically so that the mounts need to be refaced. There had to be some reason that I got the frameset for next to nothing. (25% of the going price) Refacing is fast and cheap if you have
the Park tools for it. But they are only worthwhile for a shop to buy
since all the rest of my bikes are rim brakes,.
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Took the Idol into the shop on Saturday to see if Robinson can figure
what is wrong with the discs. Previous disc brake bikes I built would
lift the rear wheel if you put the front brake on too hard. Not only will this one not but the brakes sqeal so loudly coming to a stop that the vibration triggers the fall-off detector in the Garmin. My guess is that the actuators are misaligned vertically so that the mounts need to be refaced. There had to be some reason that I got the frameset for next to nothing. (25% of the going price) Refacing is fast and cheap if you have the Park tools for it. But they are only worthwhile for a shop to buy
since all the rest of my bikes are rim brakes,.
Lack of power and noise is more likely oil contamination which is disks
real weakness they can?t tolerate any, a misaligned calliper or dinged
rotor would still have plenty of power just be noisy (tends to be swish
than honk) and vibrate though remarkably little in my experience!
On Mon Apr 28 22:26:38 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Took the Idol into the shop on Saturday to see if Robinson can figureLack of power and noise is more likely oil contamination which is disks
what is wrong with the discs. Previous disc brake bikes I built would
lift the rear wheel if you put the front brake on too hard. Not only will >>> this one not but the brakes sqeal so loudly coming to a stop that the
vibration triggers the fall-off detector in the Garmin. My guess is that >>> the actuators are misaligned vertically so that the mounts need to be
refaced. There had to be some reason that I got the frameset for next to >>> nothing. (25% of the going price) Refacing is fast and cheap if you have >>> the Park tools for it. But they are only worthwhile for a shop to buy
since all the rest of my bikes are rim brakes,.
real weakness they can?t tolerate any, a misaligned calliper or dinged
rotor would still have plenty of power just be noisy (tends to be swish
than honk) and vibrate though remarkably little in my experience!
Perhaps I misunderstand you b ut it appears that I described the symptoms
of a problem and you said it wasn't so. If it wasn't so why would I put
the bike in the best shop (also the most expensive)?
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated their
software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in
average speed. It was your contention that if the version number didn't change, the software didn't change. In an ideal world you would be
correct. But with people like Flunky claiming to be EE's we quite
obviously are not in an ideal world.
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstand you b ut it appears that I described the symptoms
of a problem and you said it wasn't so. If it wasn't so why would I put
the bike in the best shop (also the most expensive)?
To get a noticeable reduction in power from disks by being misaligned let alone as significant as you said would require a massive amount of misalignment, and frankly would bind the rotor well before that point.
Noise and lack of power are absolutely indicative of pads that are contaminated, which is disks one real weakness, do need to be much more careful about oils near them, unlike rim brakes.
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated theirI have absolutely the same Garmin by all means find the Garmin update on their website! You will not as like a few things you’re confabulating stuff.
software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a
major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in
average speed. It was your contention that if the version number didn't
change, the software didn't change. In an ideal world you would be
correct. But with people like Flunky claiming to be EE's we quite
obviously are not in an ideal world.
On 4/30/2025 2:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstand you b ut it appears that I described the symptoms >>> of a problem and you said it wasn't so. If it wasn't so why would I put
the bike in the best shop (also the most expensive)?
HE isn't saying you don't have a problem, dumbass, he's saying it
wouldn'tbe for the reasons you described.
To get a noticeable reduction in power from disks by being misaligned let
alone as significant as you said would require a massive amount of
misalignment, and frankly would bind the rotor well before that point.
true. and the brakes might not perform as well but there would still be plenty of power.
Noise and lack of power are absolutely indicative of pads that are
contaminated, which is disks one real weakness, do need to be much more
careful about oils near them, unlike rim brakes.
Tommy has repeated complained in the last few months about challenges bleeding the brakes. The more likely scenario is that he has air in the
line.
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated theirI have absolutely the same Garmin by all means find the Garmin update on
software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a >>> major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in
average speed. It was your contention that if the version number didn't
change, the software didn't change. In an ideal world you would be
correct. But with people like Flunky claiming to be EE's we quite
obviously are not in an ideal world.
their website! You will not as like a few things you’re confabulating
stuff.
If it were true that an update not only didn't change the displayed
version but also resulted in a 2 mph increase in peoples average speeds,
it would have been all over the Garmin user forums.
News flash, it isn't. There isn't a company on the planet with any even halfway reasonable reputation that pushes updates with no version
change. Maybe tommy in his illustrious career made software/firmware
changes and released the code without changing the revision, but such practices are limited to only the hackiest of hacks or those with
malicious intent. Tommy isn't smart enough to release workable code with malicious intent.
What happened was tommy figured out how to enable the autostop function (after repeatedly insisting there was no such feature). This would
inherently increase the average speed. Of course, tommy would never
admit that he was using it wrong, only that some other mystical event
outside the realm of temporal possibilities (such as a riding a dent out
of his top tube) was responsible.
What's going to happen is that tommy will report back that there was
some sort of severe misalignment of the caliper mount and that the shop
had to re-machine the surface, Or maybe the caliper itself had some sort
of manufacturing defect where they drilled the mount incorrectly, or
maybe he the pads were the wrong ones even though they were marked with
the correct part number, and everything works now. IOW - it will never
be tommy's fault. If it is a case of the more likely scenario where he
didn't bleed them properly, he would never admit it.
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon Apr 28 22:26:38 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Took the Idol into the shop on Saturday to see if Robinson can figureLack of power and noise is more likely oil contamination which is disks
what is wrong with the discs. Previous disc brake bikes I built would
lift the rear wheel if you put the front brake on too hard. Not only will >>> this one not but the brakes sqeal so loudly coming to a stop that the
vibration triggers the fall-off detector in the Garmin. My guess is that >>> the actuators are misaligned vertically so that the mounts need to be
refaced. There had to be some reason that I got the frameset for next to >>> nothing. (25% of the going price) Refacing is fast and cheap if you have >>> the Park tools for it. But they are only worthwhile for a shop to buy
since all the rest of my bikes are rim brakes,.
real weakness they can?t tolerate any, a misaligned calliper or dinged
rotor would still have plenty of power just be noisy (tends to be swish
than honk) and vibrate though remarkably little in my experience!
Perhaps I misunderstand you b ut it appears that I described the symptoms of a problem and you said it wasn't so. If it wasn't so why would I put
the bike in the best shop (also the most expensive)?
To get a noticeable reduction in power from disks by being misaligned let alone as significant as you said would require a massive amount of misalignment, and frankly would bind the rotor well before that point.
Noise and lack of power are absolutely indicative of pads that are contaminated, which is disks one real weakness, do need to be much more careful about oils near them, unlike rim brakes.
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated their
software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in
average speed. It was your contention that if the version number didn't change, the software didn't change. In an ideal world you would be
correct. But with people like Flunky claiming to be EE's we quite
obviously are not in an ideal world.
I have absolutely the same Garmin by all means find the Garmin update on their website! You will not as like a few things you?re confabulating
stuff.
On 4/30/2025 2:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstand you b ut it appears that I described the symptoms >> of a problem and you said it wasn't so. If it wasn't so why would I put
the bike in the best shop (also the most expensive)?
HE isn't saying you don't have a problem, dumbass, he's saying it
wouldn'tbe for the reasons you described.
To get a noticeable reduction in power from disks by being misaligned let alone as significant as you said would require a massive amount of misalignment, and frankly would bind the rotor well before that point.
true. and the brakes might not perform as well but there would still be plenty of power.
Noise and lack of power are absolutely indicative of pads that are contaminated, which is disks one real weakness, do need to be much more careful about oils near them, unlike rim brakes.
Tommy has repeated complained in the last few months about challenges bleeding the brakes. The more likely scenario is that he has air in the
line.
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated theirI have absolutely the same Garmin by all means find the Garmin update on their website! You will not as like a few things you?re confabulating stuff.
software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a >> major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in
average speed. It was your contention that if the version number didn't
change, the software didn't change. In an ideal world you would be
correct. But with people like Flunky claiming to be EE's we quite
obviously are not in an ideal world.
If it were true that an update not only didn't change the displayed
version but also resulted in a 2 mph increase in peoples average speeds,
it would have been all over the Garmin user forums.
News flash, it isn't. There isn't a company on the planet with any even halfway reasonable reputation that pushes updates with no version
change. Maybe tommy in his illustrious career made software/firmware
changes and released the code without changing the revision, but such practices are limited to only the hackiest of hacks or those with
malicious intent. Tommy isn't smart enough to release workable code with malicious intent.
What happened was tommy figured out how to enable the autostop function (after repeatedly insisting there was no such feature). This would
inherently increase the average speed. Of course, tommy would never
admit that he was using it wrong, only that some other mystical event
outside the realm of temporal possibilities (such as a riding a dent out
of his top tube) was responsible.
What's going to happen is that tommy will report back that there was
some sort of severe misalignment of the caliper mount and that the shop
had to re-machine the surface, Or maybe the caliper itself had some sort
of manufacturing defect where they drilled the mount incorrectly, or
maybe he the pads were the wrong ones even though they were marked with
the correct part number, and everything works now. IOW - it will never
be tommy's fault. If it is a case of the more likely scenario where he
didn't bleed them properly, he would never admit it.
On Thu May 1 06:33:01 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 4/30/2025 2:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstand you b ut it appears that I described the symptoms >>>> of a problem and you said it wasn't so. If it wasn't so why would I put >>>> the bike in the best shop (also the most expensive)?
HE isn't saying you don't have a problem, dumbass, he's saying it
wouldn'tbe for the reasons you described.
To get a noticeable reduction in power from disks by being misaligned let >>> alone as significant as you said would require a massive amount of
misalignment, and frankly would bind the rotor well before that point.
true. and the brakes might not perform as well but there would still be
plenty of power.
Noise and lack of power are absolutely indicative of pads that are
contaminated, which is disks one real weakness, do need to be much more
careful about oils near them, unlike rim brakes.
Tommy has repeated complained in the last few months about challenges
bleeding the brakes. The more likely scenario is that he has air in the
line.
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated theirI have absolutely the same Garmin by all means find the Garmin update on >>> their website! You will not as like a few things you?re confabulating
software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a >>>> major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in
average speed. It was your contention that if the version number didn't >>>> change, the software didn't change. In an ideal world you would be
correct. But with people like Flunky claiming to be EE's we quite
obviously are not in an ideal world.
stuff.
If it were true that an update not only didn't change the displayed
version but also resulted in a 2 mph increase in peoples average speeds,
it would have been all over the Garmin user forums.
News flash, it isn't. There isn't a company on the planet with any even
halfway reasonable reputation that pushes updates with no version
change. Maybe tommy in his illustrious career made software/firmware
changes and released the code without changing the revision, but such
practices are limited to only the hackiest of hacks or those with
malicious intent. Tommy isn't smart enough to release workable code with
malicious intent.
What happened was tommy figured out how to enable the autostop function
(after repeatedly insisting there was no such feature). This would
inherently increase the average speed. Of course, tommy would never
admit that he was using it wrong, only that some other mystical event
outside the realm of temporal possibilities (such as a riding a dent out
of his top tube) was responsible.
What's going to happen is that tommy will report back that there was
some sort of severe misalignment of the caliper mount and that the shop
had to re-machine the surface, Or maybe the caliper itself had some sort
of manufacturing defect where they drilled the mount incorrectly, or
maybe he the pads were the wrong ones even though they were marked with
the correct part number, and everything works now. IOW - it will never
be tommy's fault. If it is a case of the more likely scenario where he
didn't bleed them properly, he would never admit it.
Flunky - you don't know shit about disc brakes. Why are you commeenting on it?
You're the idiot that was so slow that you didn't need to look down at friction shifters because it didn't make any difference if you fumbled around trying to find the lever and position.
I said that my software was different and it turns out it was.
I am very familiar with disc brakes and crashed several times because of the excess power they have.
You've never had a disc brake bike and as usual tell us all about them.
On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I
personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I
reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the
brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs
as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.older offset disc brakes? The Merak has carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building rim
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc bike is any better than the
Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I
personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the
brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs
as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
On Wed Apr 30 18:39:08 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon Apr 28 22:26:38 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:To get a noticeable reduction in power from disks by being misaligned let
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Took the Idol into the shop on Saturday to see if Robinson can figure >>>>> what is wrong with the discs. Previous disc brake bikes I built would >>>>> lift the rear wheel if you put the front brake on too hard. Not only will >>>>> this one not but the brakes sqeal so loudly coming to a stop that the >>>>> vibration triggers the fall-off detector in the Garmin. My guess is that >>>>> the actuators are misaligned vertically so that the mounts need to be >>>>> refaced. There had to be some reason that I got the frameset for next to >>>>> nothing. (25% of the going price) Refacing is fast and cheap if you have >>>>> the Park tools for it. But they are only worthwhile for a shop to buy >>>>> since all the rest of my bikes are rim brakes,.Lack of power and noise is more likely oil contamination which is disks >>>> real weakness they can?t tolerate any, a misaligned calliper or dinged >>>> rotor would still have plenty of power just be noisy (tends to be swish >>>> than honk) and vibrate though remarkably little in my experience!
Perhaps I misunderstand you b ut it appears that I described the symptoms >>> of a problem and you said it wasn't so. If it wasn't so why would I put
the bike in the best shop (also the most expensive)?
alone as significant as you said would require a massive amount of
misalignment, and frankly would bind the rotor well before that point.
Noise and lack of power are absolutely indicative of pads that are
contaminated, which is disks one real weakness, do need to be much more
careful about oils near them, unlike rim brakes.
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated theirI have absolutely the same Garmin by all means find the Garmin update on
software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a >>> major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in
average speed. It was your contention that if the version number didn't
change, the software didn't change. In an ideal world you would be
correct. But with people like Flunky claiming to be EE's we quite
obviously are not in an ideal world.
their website! You will not as like a few things you?re confabulating
stuff.
Roger, I am trying hard not to insult you but you haven't answered what you do for a living?the bike for 2 months and when I signed the Garmin on it said that I needed to update the software. according to Garmin the last time it was updated was 2022. And yet it took several minutes to update the software and showed the clock as the update
I am not making up that major change in software results.
My average speed last year was 8 mph. And I was riding quite well. In January I did 400 miles and that was mostly very difficult climbing so that my average was 4.58 mph The climbing was so difficult that I suspect it brought on my stroke. I was off of
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
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On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I
personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I
reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the
brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs
as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.older offset disc brakes? The Merak has carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building rim
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc bike is any better than the
Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated their software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in average speed. It was your contention that ifthe version number didn't change, the software didn't change.
On Mon Apr 28 22:26:38 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Took the Idol into the shop on Saturday to see if Robinson can figureLack of power and noise is more likely oil contamination which is disks
what is wrong with the discs. Previous disc brake bikes I built would
lift the rear wheel if you put the front brake on too hard. Not only will >>> this one not but the brakes sqeal so loudly coming to a stop that the
vibration triggers the fall-off detector in the Garmin. My guess is that >>> the actuators are misaligned vertically so that the mounts need to be
refaced. There had to be some reason that I got the frameset for next to >>> nothing. (25% of the going price) Refacing is fast and cheap if you have >>> the Park tools for it. But they are only worthwhile for a shop to buy
since all the rest of my bikes are rim brakes,.
real weakness they can?t tolerate any, a misaligned calliper or dinged
rotor would still have plenty of power just be noisy (tends to be swish
than honk) and vibrate though remarkably little in my experience!
Perhaps I misunderstand you b ut it appears that I described the symptoms of a problem and you said it wasn't so. If it wasn't so why would I put the bike in the best shop (also the most expensive)?
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated their software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in average speed.
It was your contention that if the version number didn't change, the software didn't change. In an ideal world you would be correct. But with people like Flunky claiming to be EE's we quite obviously are not in an ideal world.
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I
personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I
reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the
brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs
as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them
from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa
Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc
bike is any better than the older offset disc brakes? The Merak has
carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of
the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for
pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building rim
brake bikes again. Do you suppose that there may be a reason for that?
Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average
Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying
something means anything at all
On 5/1/2025 6:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
No, Tom, you were never a real EE. Based on your postings here, I don't
think you'd have made it through the freshman level EE courses.
On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:43:36 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/1/2025 6:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
No, Tom, you were never a real EE. Based on your postings here, I don't >think you'd have made it through the freshman level EE courses.
It's a bit ironic to see Krygowski accusing someone else of making up something to brag about.
"I worked with the guy. He used his solid model
animations of the gun mechanism to explain it to me while he was
designing it. The patent didn't involve that mechanism; it involved
other components and their innovative manufacturing. But the gun is
almost entirely his design."
Krygowski https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/tk2Zbzx1BgAJ
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022)
"Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues
that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program <https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program: <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports: <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/>
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I
personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I
reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the
brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs >> as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.
I do and have done for decades MTBer remember we?ve used disks for quite a bit longer than roadies.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
In unsurprising news I agree with Andrew that disk brakes are air in the system or contaminated pads, mostly they just work for years.
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc bike is any better than the older offset disc brakes? The Merak has
carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of
the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for
pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building rim brake bikes again. Do you suppose that there may be a reason for that?
Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
Beta software appears is also for the 830 not being updated as well the 830 is a generation behind likely to be two this year ish as the 850 is due.
But either way beta or not, had updates in years.
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
Going back to other claims doesn?t strengthen your argument!
On Thu May 1 22:43:36 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/1/2025 6:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
No, Tom, you were never a real EE. Based on your postings here, I don't
think you'd have made it through the freshman level EE courses.
Doesn't it make you feel terrible that several PhD's said I was an engineer and paid me much more than standatd engineering wages so that they could get my services?
Meanwhile you couldn't work as an engineer and fell back on teaching at Youngstown, which is considered one of the worst places to live in the USA. That's a pretty bad label inasmuch as you're so close to Chicago and Detroit.
Stop trying to pretend you know shit because you've never been a real engineer for one day in your life.
Your idea of being an engineer is finding spelling errors. If I had a "freshman" EE instructor like you he would flunk me for spelling errors even though I've designed and programmed devices he couldn't even understand.
The automatic transmission of water.gas ad electricity on my house and every other house served by PG&E are my desigjns.
What have you EVER designed to production? I worked for the Army and NASA. I worked for both Gerkeley and Livermore Laurence radiation labs.
What have you done you pesky little instructor? You think that working at the same place year after year doing the same thing over and over is a job and not hell. Why don't you display your diploma to us like Liebermann as if it were and accomplishmentand not time lost from doing real work?
On Thu May 1 17:34:52 2025 AMuzi wrote:older offset disc brakes? The Merak has carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building rim
On 5/1/2025 5:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I
personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I
reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the >>>> brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs >>>> as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc bike is any better than the
Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
Brake mount surface milling to ensure that it is in the
correct plane is normal to a framebuilding operation but
highly unusual in a service shop. In real life, it just is
not a problem. Could it happen? Probably yes. Have I ever
seen such? No.
90% of disc brake issues are air in the system. The rest are
mostly worn or contaminated pads
Well, I never saw it before either. But I got that bike sent to me via FedEx for $400 complete. Don't you suppose that the former owner had a similar problem with it and was willing to sell it for a price that would not end up in a return?
I will say this - those flat mounts are NOT machined. Both front and back are slightly rounded. And WHY would Park Tool make tools to machine those surfaces flat?
"Microsoft usually changes the version numbers with an automatic process but small time devices do not."
On 5/2/2025 10:49 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 22:43:36 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/1/2025 6:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that
Flunky saying something means anything at all
No, Tom, you were never a real EE. Based on your postings
here, I don't
think you'd have made it through the freshman level EE
courses.
Doesn't it make you feel terrible that several PhD's said
I was an engineer and paid me much more than standatd
engineering wages so that they could get my services?
So you claim.....not buyin' it.
Meanwhile you couldn't work as an engineer and fell back
on teaching at Youngstown, which is considered one of the
worst places to live in the USA. That's a pretty bad label
inasmuch as you're so close to Chicago and Detroit.
And as usual, tommy is wrong again https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one- of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
Stop trying to pretend you know shit because you've never
been a real engineer for one day in your life.
Moreso than you, who thinks joining a beta program for
consumer electronics makes you a test engineer.
Your idea of being an engineer is finding spelling errors.
If I had a "freshman" EE instructor like you he would
flunk me for spelling errors even though I've designed and
programmed devices he couldn't even understand.
The automatic transmission of water.gas ad electricity on
my house and every other house served by PG&E are my
desigjns.
OH dear gawd...Now you're responsible for every utility
meter in the bay area? What's next tommy, did you invent the
internet?
What have you EVER designed to production? I worked for
the Army and NASA. I worked for both Gerkeley and
Livermore Laurence radiation labs.
None of that is true. If it were, it would have been on your
resume.
What have you done you pesky little instructor? You think
that working at the same place year after year doing the
same thing over and over is a job and not hell. Why don't
you display your diploma to us like Liebermann as if it
were and accomplishment and not time lost from doing real
work?
Snippy little tommy caught in another lie lashes out....how
pathetically typical.
On Fri May 2 04:39:00 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:I do and have done for decades MTBer remember we?ve used disks for quite a >> bit longer than roadies.
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I
personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I
reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the >>>> brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs >>>> as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them
from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am >>> going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
In unsurprising news I agree with Andrew that disk brakes are air in the
system or contaminated pads, mostly they just work for years.
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa >>> Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to >>> have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc >>> bike is any better than the older offset disc brakes? The Merak has
carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of
the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for
pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building rim
brake bikes again. Do you suppose that there may be a reason for that?
Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because >>> they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th
steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is >>> different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average
Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
Beta software appears is also for the 830 not being updated as well the 830 >> is a generation behind likely to be two this year ish as the 850 is due.
But either way beta or not, had updates in years.
Going back to other claims doesn?t strengthen your argument!
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying
something means anything at all
Roger, I didn't have problems with previous disc brakes which includes 29ers. But they all had those mounts that you installed on the stay mounts and which held the disc actuators pretty far off of the stays. I imagine that there was enough flex inthose so that they would flex over into the correct correlation with the disc if they weren't perfectly aligned. Every other disc bike I had would brake too hard - they ALL could lift the rear wheel if you weren't careful with the front disc.
Whatever would cause you to say that mine would too after I just said that it wouldn't?
Now it turns out that somehow I must have gotten registered for the Beta software
and you're going to argue about that despite knowing nothing about it?
I SAID that I had a software update and it caused a major change in average speed. WHY would you argue about that?
The NUMBERS changed and you say that they didn't?
Please don't talk about software updates if you aren't a software engineer.
Microsoft usually changes the version numbers with an automatic process but small time devices do not.
What's more, the senior software engineers who are likely to take the updating process seriously were probably promoted to the Garmin smart watches and jr. software engineers who might not remember the proper updating procesidure are left writing betasoftware. They obviously know what they are doing but that doesn't mean that they get not very important things like the version numbers correct. Such as - though a Beta Release, my software still has the last release update numbering.
I would expect that sort of behavior from Flunky since he is a complete moron, but until recently you've always seemed intelligent enough.
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022)
"Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues
that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program <https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program: <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports: <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/>
On 5/2/2025 10:03 AM, cyclintom wrote:older offset disc brakes? The Merak has carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building rim
On Thu May 1 17:34:52 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/1/2025 5:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I
personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I >>>> reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the >>>> brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs
as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc bike is any better than the
Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
Brake mount surface milling to ensure that it is in the
correct plane is normal to a framebuilding operation but
highly unusual in a service shop. In real life, it just is
not a problem. Could it happen? Probably yes. Have I ever
seen such? No.
90% of disc brake issues are air in the system. The rest are
mostly worn or contaminated pads
Well, I never saw it before either. But I got that bike sent to me via FedEx for $400 complete. Don't you suppose that the former owner had a similar problem with it and was willing to sell it for a price that would not end up in a return?
I will say this - those flat mounts are NOT machined. Both front and back are slightly rounded. And WHY would Park Tool make tools to machine those surfaces flat?
Doesn't sound right to me:
https://derosa.it/model/idol/
This is not Ugo DeRosa, torch in hand, sorta eyeballing a
brake bridge height or a cable stop position.
Modern ends _with incorporated brake mounts_ are a standard
uniform industrial commodity. In any material. Frame
makers can't screw it up because they don't make that part
themselves.
https://www.framebuilding.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/NEWIMAGES/lr27.jpg
https://www.bikefabsupply.com/dropouts/p/ogq-flatmount-intergrated-dropouts-flanged-12x15mm-thru-axle
On Fri May 2 10:45:37 2025 AMuzi wrote:older offset disc brakes? The Merak has carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building rim
On 5/2/2025 10:03 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 17:34:52 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/1/2025 5:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I >>>>>> personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I >>>>>> reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the >>>>>> brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs
as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc bike is any better than the
Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
Brake mount surface milling to ensure that it is in the
correct plane is normal to a framebuilding operation but
highly unusual in a service shop. In real life, it just is
not a problem. Could it happen? Probably yes. Have I ever
seen such? No.
90% of disc brake issues are air in the system. The rest are
mostly worn or contaminated pads
Well, I never saw it before either. But I got that bike sent to me via FedEx for $400 complete. Don't you suppose that the former owner had a similar problem with it and was willing to sell it for a price that would not end up in a return?
I will say this - those flat mounts are NOT machined. Both front and back are slightly rounded. And WHY would Park Tool make tools to machine those surfaces flat?
Doesn't sound right to me:
https://derosa.it/model/idol/
This is not Ugo DeRosa, torch in hand, sorta eyeballing a
brake bridge height or a cable stop position.
Modern ends _with incorporated brake mounts_ are a standard
uniform industrial commodity. In any material. Frame
makers can't screw it up because they don't make that part
themselves.
https://www.framebuilding.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/NEWIMAGES/lr27.jpg
https://www.bikefabsupply.com/dropouts/p/ogq-flatmount-intergrated-dropouts-flanged-12x15mm-thru-axle
Andrew aside from those mounts being nothing like those on the DeRosa. you can see that they are castings and not machined flat. The operation is as you said originally. The frame is very carefully built because the through axles perfectly center thewheels which is almost a zero tolerance construction considering the wheels are set into the frame and fork. They forgot to machine the actuator mounts and since it is both front and rear someone simply put it in the finished line rather than the needs-
I could be wrong since misalihnment is just my guess so I will have to see what Robinson comes up with. But no other disc brake bike I've had has acted like this, but no others had flat mounts.
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022)
"Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues
that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program <https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program: <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports: <https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/>
On Fri, 02 May 2025 15:32:33 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Microsoft usually changes the version numbers with an automatic process but small time devices do not."
In 2024, in 22 countries, Garmin sold about $700 million in bicycle computers. That doesn't sound like a manufacturer of "small time
devices":
<https://www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/bike-computer-market>
The "automatic process" is handled automatically by the version
control software, RCS (Revision Control System), SCM (Source Control Management software), etc, which have been in common use by both large
and small companies for a very long time: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_Control_System>
On 5/2/2025 11:33 AM, cyclintom wrote:the older offset disc brakes? The Merak has carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building
On Fri May 2 10:45:37 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/2/2025 10:03 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 17:34:52 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/1/2025 5:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I >>>>>> personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I >>>>>> reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the >>>>>> brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs
as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc bike is any better than
Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
Brake mount surface milling to ensure that it is in the
correct plane is normal to a framebuilding operation but
highly unusual in a service shop. In real life, it just is
not a problem. Could it happen? Probably yes. Have I ever
seen such? No.
90% of disc brake issues are air in the system. The rest are
mostly worn or contaminated pads
Well, I never saw it before either. But I got that bike sent to me via FedEx for $400 complete. Don't you suppose that the former owner had a similar problem with it and was willing to sell it for a price that would not end up in a return?
I will say this - those flat mounts are NOT machined. Both front and back are slightly rounded. And WHY would Park Tool make tools to machine those surfaces flat?
Doesn't sound right to me:
https://derosa.it/model/idol/
This is not Ugo DeRosa, torch in hand, sorta eyeballing a
brake bridge height or a cable stop position.
Modern ends _with incorporated brake mounts_ are a standard
uniform industrial commodity. In any material. Frame
makers can't screw it up because they don't make that part
themselves.
https://www.framebuilding.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/NEWIMAGES/lr27.jpg
https://www.bikefabsupply.com/dropouts/p/ogq-flatmount-intergrated-dropouts-flanged-12x15mm-thru-axle
wheels which is almost a zero tolerance construction considering the wheels are set into the frame and fork. They forgot to machine the actuator mounts and since it is both front and rear someone simply put it in the finished line rather than the needs-Andrew aside from those mounts being nothing like those on the DeRosa. you can see that they are castings and not machined flat. The operation is as you said originally. The frame is very carefully built because the through axles perfectly center the
I could be wrong since misalihnment is just my guess so I will have to see what Robinson comes up with. But no other disc brake bike I've had has acted like this, but no others had flat mounts.
How about $5 even money that 'caliper mount surfaces not
perpendicular' is not the problem here. I'll even trust you
to report what the tech finds.
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 18:16:53 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>if the version number didn't change, the software didn't change.
wrote:
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated their software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in average speed. It was your contention that
Garmin could not have released two versions of the same software with identical version numbers. That's because whatever their programmers
used for version control would certainly not have allowed anyone to do
it.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_version-control_software>
Patching code or executables outside of the version control system may
have been common practice in the days when you were a programmer, but
doing so today is unlikely.
On Fri May 2 12:04:03 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:those so that they would flex over into the correct correlation with the disc if they weren't perfectly aligned. Every other disc bike I had would brake too hard - they ALL could lift the rear wheel if you weren't careful with the front disc.
On 5/2/2025 11:32 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 04:39:00 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:I do and have done for decades MTBer remember we?ve used disks for quite a >>>> bit longer than roadies.
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I >>>>>> personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I >>>>>> reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the >>>>>> brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs
as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them >>>>> from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am >>>>> going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
In unsurprising news I agree with Andrew that disk brakes are air in the >>>> system or contaminated pads, mostly they just work for years.
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa >>>>> Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to >>>>> have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc >>>>> bike is any better than the older offset disc brakes? The Merak has
carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of >>>>> the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for >>>>> pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building rim >>>>> brake bikes again. Do you suppose that there may be a reason for that? >>>>>
Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because >>>>> they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th >>>>> steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is >>>>> different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average >>>>> Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
Beta software appears is also for the 830 not being updated as well the 830
is a generation behind likely to be two this year ish as the 850 is due. >>>>
But either way beta or not, had updates in years.
Going back to other claims doesn?t strengthen your argument!
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying
something means anything at all
Roger, I didn't have problems with previous disc brakes which includes 29ers. But they all had those mounts that you installed on the stay mounts and which held the disc actuators pretty far off of the stays. I imagine that there was enough flex in
beta software. They obviously know what they are doing but that doesn't mean that they get not very important things like the version numbers correct. Such as - though a Beta Release, my software still has the last release update numbering.
Rim brakes do that too, dumbass.
Whatever would cause you to say that mine would too after I just said that it wouldn't?
Now it turns out that somehow I must have gotten registered for the Beta software
"must have gotten registered for beta software"...Sure sparky, it
happened spontaneously, just like the dent popped out of your top tube.
and you're going to argue about that despite knowing nothing about it?
Everything he's written about Garmin firmware updates has been accurate.
You? notsomuch....
I SAID that I had a software update and it caused a major change in average speed. WHY would you argue about that?
Because if it happened to you it would have happened to everyone. It
would have been all over the user forums. (news flash: it ain't)
The NUMBERS changed and you say that they didn't?
He never wrote that.
Why not, you do it all the time and you're not a software engineer.
Please don't talk about software updates if you aren't a software engineer. >>
Microsoft usually changes the version numbers with an automatic process but small time devices do not.
oh dear gawd...More proof that you aren't and never were a software
engineer.
What's more, the senior software engineers who are likely to take the updating process seriously were probably promoted to the Garmin smart watches and jr. software engineers who might not remember the proper updating procesidure are left writing
And more proof that you were never a software engineer.
- There's no such thing as "writing beta software". Software development
is software devlopment. sometimes it goes though a beta cycle, but there
is no such thing as specifically writing beta software, much less
leaving development up to junior engineers.
- The revision control process is managed through a combination of the
compiler tools and configuration management processes, and for large
companies like Garmin the compilers are tied into a PLM system. There is
virtually no way for a version of code - beta, development, or not - to
ever leave Garmin without proper revision control and tracking with
updated revision topology.
I would expect that sort of behavior from Flunky since he is a complete moron, but until recently you've always seemed intelligent enough.
lol...this from a guy who thinks junior software engineers are in charge
of "writing beta software".
Actually it was just like your claim that you can't use PWM to measure line length and then joyfully agreed with Liebermann that that test instrument did it properly.
And if you had enough education to read an oscilloscope you could see that that instrument was using PWM.
Please stop trying to look smart when your employers expect you to do nothing but sign paperwork.
And this from a moron that doesn't even know that beta software is an improvement and not a new program.
So, yes, beginning software engineers CAN improve a program.
Tell us again that you know how to program. Everyone just believes you.
At least you can write lol even though the first "l" should have been capitalized
On 5/2/2025 10:49 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 22:43:36 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/1/2025 6:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
No, Tom, you were never a real EE. Based on your postings here, I don't
think you'd have made it through the freshman level EE courses.
Doesn't it make you feel terrible that several PhD's said I was an engineer and paid me much more than standatd engineering wages so that they could get my services?
So you claim.....not buyin' it.
Meanwhile you couldn't work as an engineer and fell back on teaching at Youngstown, which is considered one of the worst places to live in the USA. That's a pretty bad label inasmuch as you're so close to Chicago and Detroit.
And as usual, tommy is wrong again https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
Stop trying to pretend you know shit because you've never been a real engineer for one day in your life.
Moreso than you, who thinks joining a beta program for consumer
electronics makes you a test engineer.
Your idea of being an engineer is finding spelling errors. If I had a "freshman" EE instructor like you he would flunk me for spelling errors even though I've designed and programmed devices he couldn't even understand.
The automatic transmission of water.gas ad electricity on my house and every other house served by PG&E are my desigjns.
OH dear gawd...Now you're responsible for every utility meter in the bay area? What's next tommy, did you invent the internet?
What have you EVER designed to production? I worked for the Army and NASA. I worked for both Gerkeley and Livermore Laurence radiation labs.
None of that is true. If it were, it would have been on your resume.
accomplishment and not time lost from doing real work?What have you done you pesky little instructor? You think that working at the same place year after year doing the same thing over and over is a job and not hell. Why don't you display your diploma to us like Liebermann as if it were and
Snippy little tommy caught in another lie lashes out....how pathetically typical.
On Fri May 2 09:07:22 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 02 May 2025 15:32:33 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Microsoft usually changes the version numbers with an automatic process but small time devices do not."
In 2024, in 22 countries, Garmin sold about $700 million in bicycle
computers. That doesn't sound like a manufacturer of "small time
devices":
<https://www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/bike-computer-market>
The "automatic process" is handled automatically by the version
control software, RCS (Revision Control System), SCM (Source Control
Management software), etc, which have been in common use by both large
and small companies for a very long time:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_Control_System>
Liebermann, you just showed us that you know nothing at all about business. You are a failure because you don't have the ability to think.You believe that $700 million is big! No bicycle manufactered could exist on that!
MacDonalds makes $10 Billion a year just on hamburbgers. There is nothing in this world that you can't get wrong! Garmin is a medium small company that is looking for a paying product!
Try and stop yoursel from saying really stupid things.
On Fri May 2 11:47:23 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:accomplishment and not time lost from doing real work?
On 5/2/2025 10:49 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 22:43:36 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/1/2025 6:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
No, Tom, you were never a real EE. Based on your postings here, I don't >>>> think you'd have made it through the freshman level EE courses.
Doesn't it make you feel terrible that several PhD's said I was an engineer and paid me much more than standatd engineering wages so that they could get my services?
So you claim.....not buyin' it.
Meanwhile you couldn't work as an engineer and fell back on teaching at Youngstown, which is considered one of the worst places to live in the USA. That's a pretty bad label inasmuch as you're so close to Chicago and Detroit.
And as usual, tommy is wrong again
https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
Stop trying to pretend you know shit because you've never been a real engineer for one day in your life.
Moreso than you, who thinks joining a beta program for consumer
electronics makes you a test engineer.
Your idea of being an engineer is finding spelling errors. If I had a "freshman" EE instructor like you he would flunk me for spelling errors even though I've designed and programmed devices he couldn't even understand.
The automatic transmission of water.gas ad electricity on my house and every other house served by PG&E are my desigjns.
OH dear gawd...Now you're responsible for every utility meter in the bay
area? What's next tommy, did you invent the internet?
What have you EVER designed to production? I worked for the Army and NASA. I worked for both Gerkeley and Livermore Laurence radiation labs.
None of that is true. If it were, it would have been on your resume.
What have you done you pesky little instructor? You think that working at the same place year after year doing the same thing over and over is a job and not hell. Why don't you display your diploma to us like Liebermann as if it were and
Snippy little tommy caught in another lie lashes out....how pathetically
typical.
https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/
Outof the worse 50, Youngstown is 9th worset.
"Youngstown, Ohio faces significant challenges that impact its livability. The city has experienced a sharp decline in population since its peak in the 1930s, leading to numerous vacant properties and urban decay.
High crime rates plague Youngstown, with violent crime rates well above the national average. This creates safety concerns for residents and visitors alike.
The local economy struggles due to the loss of manufacturing jobs, particularly in the steel industry. Unemployment rates remain higher than state and national averages, limiting opportunities for many residents.
Youngstowns education system faces difficulties, with lower test scores and graduation rates compared to state averages. This can affect the future prospects of the citys youth.
The citys infrastructure shows signs of neglect, with aging roads, bridges, and utilities in need of repair or replacement. These issues can impact daily life and hinder economic development efforts."
Is there even one thing you can get right?
On Thu May 1 18:25:37 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/1/2025 5:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 06:33:01 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 4/30/2025 2:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstand you b ut it appears that I described the symptoms
of a problem and you said it wasn't so. If it wasn't so why would I put >>>>>> the bike in the best shop (also the most expensive)?
HE isn't saying you don't have a problem, dumbass, he's saying it
wouldn'tbe for the reasons you described.
true. and the brakes might not perform as well but there would still be >>>> plenty of power.To get a noticeable reduction in power from disks by being misaligned let >>>>> alone as significant as you said would require a massive amount of
misalignment, and frankly would bind the rotor well before that point. >>>>
Noise and lack of power are absolutely indicative of pads that are
contaminated, which is disks one real weakness, do need to be much more >>>>> careful about oils near them, unlike rim brakes.
Tommy has repeated complained in the last few months about challenges
bleeding the brakes. The more likely scenario is that he has air in the >>>> line.
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated theirI have absolutely the same Garmin by all means find the Garmin update on >>>>> their website! You will not as like a few things you?re confabulating >>>>> stuff.
software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a
major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in >>>>>> average speed. It was your contention that if the version number didn't >>>>>> change, the software didn't change. In an ideal world you would be >>>>>> correct. But with people like Flunky claiming to be EE's we quite
obviously are not in an ideal world.
If it were true that an update not only didn't change the displayed
version but also resulted in a 2 mph increase in peoples average speeds, >>>> it would have been all over the Garmin user forums.
News flash, it isn't. There isn't a company on the planet with any even >>>> halfway reasonable reputation that pushes updates with no version
change. Maybe tommy in his illustrious career made software/firmware
changes and released the code without changing the revision, but such
practices are limited to only the hackiest of hacks or those with
malicious intent. Tommy isn't smart enough to release workable code with >>>> malicious intent.
What happened was tommy figured out how to enable the autostop function >>>> (after repeatedly insisting there was no such feature). This would
inherently increase the average speed. Of course, tommy would never
admit that he was using it wrong, only that some other mystical event
outside the realm of temporal possibilities (such as a riding a dent out >>>> of his top tube) was responsible.
What's going to happen is that tommy will report back that there was
some sort of severe misalignment of the caliper mount and that the shop >>>> had to re-machine the surface, Or maybe the caliper itself had some sort >>>> of manufacturing defect where they drilled the mount incorrectly, or
maybe he the pads were the wrong ones even though they were marked with >>>> the correct part number, and everything works now. IOW - it will never >>>> be tommy's fault. If it is a case of the more likely scenario where he >>>> didn't bleed them properly, he would never admit it.
Flunky - you don't know shit about disc brakes. Why are you commeenting on it?
Evidently I know quite a bit more about them than you do, since I've
never had to take mine to a shop and never had any issues with their
performance.
You're the idiot that was so slow that you didn't need to look down at friction shifters because it didn't make any difference if you fumbled around trying to find the lever and position.
You're the idiot that insists all racers always looked down to shift.
I've posted links to have a dozen videos showing they didn't.
I said that my software was different and it turns out it was.
How would you know if they didn't change the version number?
I am very familiar with disc brakes and crashed several times because of the excess power they have.
That's because you're an idiot with the riding skills of an 8 year old girl* >>
You've never had a disc brake bike and as usual tell us all about them.
I have three bikes with disc brakes. MY Cannondale Habit came with
Shimano Deore XT, which I swapped out for Sram G2. My CX bike and my
hardtail IF have Avid BB7s.
*I take that back. 8 year old girls have better riding skills than you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aav7J_S9ji0
Why you're really impressive. I am wrong for seeking professional help with the proper tooling.
Is there even one intelligent thing you can say?
On Thu May 1 18:30:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
lol...first off, dumbass, when you join a beta test program it doesn't
make you a test engineer, it makes you a guinea pig.
Secondly, Even Betaware has version update topology.
third, you "apparently" joined the beta program? You don't remember
doing it? Then you complain loudly in here that you were getting updates
with no change in the displayed version?
Fucking half-wit.>
I'm surprised that you didn't tell us how you're so important to your company thst they couldn't care less what you do with your time.
Perhaps you'd like to quote where I said that I was a "test engineer"? I said I was a beta tester which is something completely different, not that you would know.
You, like Liebermann, are just another zero in a world of useful people.
If they had a Beta designation why would my software have the standard version number?
All that means is the programmers never thought to append an {A} onto the version.
When you act like a clown, expect to be treated like one.
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the
non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022)
"Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues
that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more thanproof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.
You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?
On Thu May 1 16:19:53 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:if the version number didn't change, the software didn't change.
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 18:16:53 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated their software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in average speed. It was your contention that
Garmin could not have released two versions of the same software with
identical version numbers. That's because whatever their programmers
used for version control would certainly not have allowed anyone to do
it.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_version-control_software>
Patching code or executables outside of the version control system may
have been common practice in the days when you were a programmer, but
doing so today is unlikely.
Tell everyone here how many commercial programs you've written.
And then tell us what Garmin could and could not do.
On Thu May 1 20:14:41 2025 zen cycle wrote:
If there was a firmware update that resulted in a 2mph increase, you
wouldn't have been the only one to see it, and it would have been all
over the user forums. IOW - once again, you have no fucking clue what
your ranting about.
Busy telling us how much you know about beta releases?
By all means tell us how many people filed for the beta release
and how many are like you who showed us that you did TWO 200 mile rides with climbing and averaged 20 mph.
It must really make you feel bad to be so full of it that evenyour employer bwants nnothinfg from you but the occasional signature aon a QC form.
` ~Your boss walking by, seeing you watching a ball game during business hours and asking the score says everything about you that needs to be known.
On Fri May 2 11:47:23 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:accomplishment and not time lost from doing real work?
On 5/2/2025 10:49 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 22:43:36 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/1/2025 6:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
No, Tom, you were never a real EE. Based on your postings here, I don't >>>> think you'd have made it through the freshman level EE courses.
Doesn't it make you feel terrible that several PhD's said I was an engineer and paid me much more than standatd engineering wages so that they could get my services?
So you claim.....not buyin' it.
Meanwhile you couldn't work as an engineer and fell back on teaching at Youngstown, which is considered one of the worst places to live in the USA. That's a pretty bad label inasmuch as you're so close to Chicago and Detroit.
And as usual, tommy is wrong again
https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
Stop trying to pretend you know shit because you've never been a real engineer for one day in your life.
Moreso than you, who thinks joining a beta program for consumer
electronics makes you a test engineer.
Your idea of being an engineer is finding spelling errors. If I had a "freshman" EE instructor like you he would flunk me for spelling errors even though I've designed and programmed devices he couldn't even understand.
The automatic transmission of water.gas ad electricity on my house and every other house served by PG&E are my desigjns.
OH dear gawd...Now you're responsible for every utility meter in the bay
area? What's next tommy, did you invent the internet?
What have you EVER designed to production? I worked for the Army and NASA. I worked for both Gerkeley and Livermore Laurence radiation labs.
None of that is true. If it were, it would have been on your resume.
What have you done you pesky little instructor? You think that working at the same place year after year doing the same thing over and over is a job and not hell. Why don't you display your diploma to us like Liebermann as if it were and
Snippy little tommy caught in another lie lashes out....how pathetically
typical.
https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/
Outof the worse 50, Youngstown is 9th worset.
"Youngstown, Ohio faces significant challenges that impact its livability. The city has experienced a sharp decline in population since its peak in the 1930s, leading to numerous vacant properties and urban decay.
High crime rates plague Youngstown, with violent crime rates well above the national average. This creates safety concerns for residents and visitors alike.
The local economy struggles due to the loss of manufacturing jobs, particularly in the steel industry. Unemployment rates remain higher than state and national averages, limiting opportunities for many residents.
Youngstowns education system faces difficulties, with lower test scores and graduation rates compared to state averages. This can affect the future prospects of the citys youth.
The citys infrastructure shows signs of neglect, with aging roads, bridges, and utilities in need of repair or replacement. These issues can impact daily life and hinder economic development efforts."
Is there even one thing you can get right?
On Fri May 2 11:57:24 2025 AMuzi wrote:the older offset disc brakes? The Merak has carbon wheels and stops a LOT better than the disc. The extra weight of the discs and the constant maintenance show me that they are only for pros and you might notice that manufacturers suddenly are building
On 5/2/2025 11:33 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 10:45:37 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/2/2025 10:03 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 17:34:52 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/1/2025 5:21 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 15:20:05 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
I?m slightly surprised he admitted he was taking it to the shop! I >>>>>>>> personally go for the how often am I likely to use said tools, can I >>>>>>>> reasonably do it? My ability to fix stuff is rather limited now as the >>>>>>>> brain doesn?t work the way it used to.
And the bike shop is a 5 min walk away and being a shop that does repairs
as their focus, it?s hardly expensive.
Do you own a disc brake bike? The full set of tools for working on them from Park Tool is pretty damn expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-Brake-Mount-Facing/dp/B014LC7546/ref=asc_df_B014LC7546?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852149837928&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583451676423827&psc=1
That is only half the tools that they sell for disc brakes.
So you think that because I have ONE flat mount disc brake bike that I am going to spend over $400 for surfacing tools?
And my rim brake DeRosa Aluminum main triangle and the Disc Brake DeRosa Idol full carbon are exactly the same weight. So why would I even want to have a dic brake bike except as a test to see if flat surface mount disc bike is any better than
wheels which is almost a zero tolerance construction considering the wheels are set into the frame and fork. They forgot to machine the actuator mounts and since it is both front and rear someone simply put it in the finished line rather than the needs-Also, carbon fiber bikes were used BECAUSE they are light and not because they ride well. Tom Ritchey was interviewed and said that even 1 1/8th steering tubes screws up the comfort of a bike.
Apparently I filed to be a tester for the Beta software so MY software is different than the stop software with some sort of error in the Average Speed calculation. I know the Beta software is correct because I timed it on a watch.
I am a real EE unlike Flunky so stop pretending that Flunky saying something means anything at all
Brake mount surface milling to ensure that it is in the
correct plane is normal to a framebuilding operation but
highly unusual in a service shop. In real life, it just is
not a problem. Could it happen? Probably yes. Have I ever
seen such? No.
90% of disc brake issues are air in the system. The rest are
mostly worn or contaminated pads
Well, I never saw it before either. But I got that bike sent to me via FedEx for $400 complete. Don't you suppose that the former owner had a similar problem with it and was willing to sell it for a price that would not end up in a return?
I will say this - those flat mounts are NOT machined. Both front and back are slightly rounded. And WHY would Park Tool make tools to machine those surfaces flat?
Doesn't sound right to me:
https://derosa.it/model/idol/
This is not Ugo DeRosa, torch in hand, sorta eyeballing a
brake bridge height or a cable stop position.
Modern ends _with incorporated brake mounts_ are a standard
uniform industrial commodity. In any material. Frame
makers can't screw it up because they don't make that part
themselves.
https://www.framebuilding.com/NEWPARTSPAGES/NEWIMAGES/lr27.jpg
https://www.bikefabsupply.com/dropouts/p/ogq-flatmount-intergrated-dropouts-flanged-12x15mm-thru-axle
Andrew aside from those mounts being nothing like those on the DeRosa. you can see that they are castings and not machined flat. The operation is as you said originally. The frame is very carefully built because the through axles perfectly center the
I could be wrong since misalihnment is just my guess so I will have to see what Robinson comes up with. But no other disc brake bike I've had has acted like this, but no others had flat mounts.
How about $5 even money that 'caliper mount surfaces not
perpendicular' is not the problem here. I'll even trust you
to report what the tech finds.
Since this is nothing more than a guess on my part I would only be willing to bet if you hsd an alternate answer other that "not that".
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022)
"Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues
that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot...
:-) This is hilarious!
Yes, Tom, I _will_ say that those URLs work perfectly for me. Why?
Because as usual, they do!
I don't know what keeps you from following simple internet links. I'll
just note that yet again, it's just _you_ blathering on about how
brilliant you are, with everyone else proving otherwise. Why are you so >intent on proving yourself to be a fool? Is your posting some weird form
of self-flaggelation?
On Fri May 2 17:19:51 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022)
"Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues
that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot...
:-) This is hilarious!
Yes, Tom, I _will_ say that those URLs work perfectly for me. Why?
Because as usual, they do!
I don't know what keeps you from following simple internet links. I'll
just note that yet again, it's just _you_ blathering on about how
brilliant you are, with everyone else proving otherwise. Why are you so
intent on proving yourself to be a fool? Is your posting some weird form
of self-flaggelation?
I don"t know in what world you live since that appended ">" changes the address. But then you're absolutely willing to live in a hell hole and tell me that I live in a hell hole and tell everyone that the incorrect address works just fine with you.Plainly, the oinly reason that you got a job at YU was because no one else would work in that burned out humk of a city. You couldn't be employed anywhere else.
TRell us again how the inxorrect address works.
On Fri May 2 17:19:51 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote::-) This is hilarious!
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022)
"Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues
that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will
say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot... >>
Yes, Tom, I _will_ say that those URLs work perfectly for me. Why?
Because as usual, they do!
I don't know what keeps you from following simple internet links. I'll
just note that yet again, it's just _you_ blathering on about how
brilliant you are, with everyone else proving otherwise. Why are you so
intent on proving yourself to be a fool? Is your posting some weird form
of self-flaggelation?
I don"t know in what world you live since that appended ">" changes the address. But then you're absolutely willing to live in a hell hole and
tell me that I live in a hell hole and tell everyone that the incorrect address works just fine with you.Plainly, the oinly reason that you got a
job at YU was because no one else would work in that burned out humk of a city. You couldn't be employed anywhere else.
TRell us again how the inxorrect address works.
On Fri, 2 May 2025 17:19:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022)
"Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues
that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot...
:-) This is hilarious!
Yes, Tom, I _will_ say that those URLs work perfectly for me. Why?
Because as usual, they do!
I don't know what keeps you from following simple internet links. I'll
just note that yet again, it's just _you_ blathering on about how
brilliant you are, with everyone else proving otherwise. Why are you so >intent on proving yourself to be a fool? Is your posting some weird form
of self-flaggelation?
Lots of projection in the paragraph above.
He and Liebermann wanted me to "prove" I was an engineer by quoting the patents I held.
On Fri May 2 17:19:51 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022)
"Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues
that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >> >
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot...
:-) This is hilarious!
Yes, Tom, I _will_ say that those URLs work perfectly for me. Why?
Because as usual, they do!
I don't know what keeps you from following simple internet links. I'll
just note that yet again, it's just _you_ blathering on about how
brilliant you are, with everyone else proving otherwise. Why are you so
intent on proving yourself to be a fool? Is your posting some weird form
of self-flaggelation?
I don"t know in what world you live since that appended ">" changes the address.
But then you're absolutely willing to live in a hell hole and tell me that I live in a hell hole and tell everyone that the incorrect address works just fine with you.Plainly, the oinly reason that you got a job at YU was because no one else would workin that burned out humk of a city. You couldn't be employed anywhere else.
TRell us again how the inxorrect address works.
On 5/2/2025 2:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:if the version number didn't change, the software didn't change.
On Thu May 1 16:19:53 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 18:16:53 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
That is as bad as you telling me that Garmin hadn't updated their software after I got a notification to update it, did so, and there was a major change in the average speed which showed a 2 mph increase in average speed. It was your contention that
Garmin could not have released two versions of the same software with
identical version numbers. That's because whatever their programmers
used for version control would certainly not have allowed anyone to do
it.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_version-control_software>
Patching code or executables outside of the version control system may
have been common practice in the days when you were a programmer, but
doing so today is unlikely.
Tell everyone here how many commercial programs you've written.
The program application is irrelevant to the revision control process.
If you were ever a real software engineer you would know that.
And then tell us what Garmin could and could not do.
It's basic code development configuration management. If you were ever a
real software engineer you would know that.
On Sat, 03 May 2025 15:09:51 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
He and Liebermann wanted me to "prove" I was an engineer by quoting the patents I held.
We've been here before: <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=122315&group=rec.bicycles.tech#122315>
With all the amazing design work you've done as an engineer, I would
have expected you to be mentioned in at least one patent?
Proving that you are a "real" (non-degreed) engineer is your problem
not mine. A patent would have been useful. IEEE or other
professional society membership might be helpful. Of course, you
haven't produced anything that looks like a diploma. You presented
this as your "degree in navigation": <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=996962251448524&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
Meanwhile, all I have for you as an engineer are these:
06/07/2022 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ> "I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
09/18/2022 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/H5UQas_9HLA/m/p9rFmANKBgAJ> "I dropped out of the city college because it was adding absolutely
nothing to my career goals and wasn't that more important? Having a
piece of paper saying that I could read and write would have allowed
me to assume a VP position in my company. But I was perfectly
satisfied being an engineer and project leader."
08/28/2023 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/UlnAtHIZnTg/m/nFzXScJWAQAJ> "I just pulled out a ring binder and there was my degree from the
College of Marin for ship's navigation. I took that course because I
was on yacht crews racing up and down the California coast. But it was
a recognized commercial degree so that I could have been a ship's
navigator if I wasn't making a ton of money as a electronics and
software engineer actually going things unlike Flunky"
05/27/2024
<Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]> <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX<
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
investments." etc...
On Sat, 03 May 2025 15:09:51 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
He and Liebermann wanted me to "prove" I was an engineer by quoting the patents I held.
We've been here before: <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=122315&group=rec.bicycles.tech#122315>
With all the amazing design work you've done as an engineer, I would
have expected you to be mentioned in at least one patent?
Proving that you are a "real" (non-degreed) engineer is your problem
not mine. A patent would have been useful. IEEE or other
professional society membership might be helpful. Of course, you
haven't produced anything that looks like a diploma. You presented
this as your "degree in navigation": <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=996962251448524&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
Meanwhile, all I have for you as an engineer are these:
06/07/2022 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ> "I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
09/18/2022 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/H5UQas_9HLA/m/p9rFmANKBgAJ> "I dropped out of the city college because it was adding absolutely
nothing to my career goals and wasn't that more important? Having a
piece of paper saying that I could read and write would have allowed
me to assume a VP position in my company. But I was perfectly
satisfied being an engineer and project leader."
08/28/2023 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/UlnAtHIZnTg/m/nFzXScJWAQAJ> "I just pulled out a ring binder and there was my degree from the
College of Marin for ship's navigation. I took that course because I
was on yacht crews racing up and down the California coast. But it was
a recognized commercial degree so that I could have been a ship's
navigator if I wasn't making a ton of money as a electronics and
software engineer actually going things unlike Flunky"
05/27/2024
<Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]> <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX<
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
investments." etc...
On Fri May 2 09:07:22 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 02 May 2025 15:32:33 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Microsoft usually changes the version numbers with an automatic process but small time devices do not."
In 2024, in 22 countries, Garmin sold about $700 million in bicycle
computers. That doesn't sound like a manufacturer of "small time
devices":
<https://www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/bike-computer-market>
The "automatic process" is handled automatically by the version
control software, RCS (Revision Control System), SCM (Source Control
Management software), etc, which have been in common use by both large
and small companies for a very long time:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_Control_System>
Liebermann, you just showed us that you know nothing at all about business. You are a failure because you don't have the ability to think.You believe that $700 million is big! No bicycle manufactered could exist on that!
MacDonalds makes $10 Billion a year just on hamburbgers.
There is nothing in this world that you can't get wrong!
Garmin is a medium small company that is looking for a paying product!
Try and stop yoursel from saying really stupid things.
On Sat May 3 10:59:33 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:using news readers that are smarter and can detect the closure. But of course Flunky with his highly intelligent mind believes that it is in the operating system and not the program being used to read the newsgroups.
On Sat, 03 May 2025 15:09:51 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
He and Liebermann wanted me to "prove" I was an engineer by quoting the patents I held.
We've been here before:
<https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=122315&group=rec.bicycles.tech#122315>
With all the amazing design work you've done as an engineer, I would
have expected you to be mentioned in at least one patent?
Proving that you are a "real" (non-degreed) engineer is your problem
not mine. A patent would have been useful. IEEE or other
professional society membership might be helpful. Of course, you
haven't produced anything that looks like a diploma. You presented
this as your "degree in navigation":
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=996962251448524&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
Meanwhile, all I have for you as an engineer are these:
06/07/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ> >> "I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
09/18/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/H5UQas_9HLA/m/p9rFmANKBgAJ> >> "I dropped out of the city college because it was adding absolutely
nothing to my career goals and wasn't that more important? Having a
piece of paper saying that I could read and write would have allowed
me to assume a VP position in my company. But I was perfectly
satisfied being an engineer and project leader."
08/28/2023
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/UlnAtHIZnTg/m/nFzXScJWAQAJ> >> "I just pulled out a ring binder and there was my degree from the
College of Marin for ship's navigation. I took that course because I
was on yacht crews racing up and down the California coast. But it was
a recognized commercial degree so that I could have been a ship's
navigator if I wasn't making a ton of money as a electronics and
software engineer actually going things unlike Flunky"
05/27/2024
<Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]>
<https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX<
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
investments." etc...
Jeff, I guess I have to appologize to you concerning your references. I use Newshosting and I just realized that after it detects an address, it adds the entire like after the opening "<" as part of that address. Obviuously the rest of these people are
In any case, whenever you cite a reference I will have to extract the actual address before attempting to read it. Though you shoud be equally careful to cite things that are actually pertinent to the conversation which you have not been doing.
On 5/3/2025 3:29 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Jeff, I guess I have to appologize to you concerning your references. I use Newshosting and I just realized that after it detects an address, it adds the entire like after the opening "<" as part of that address.
I think you need to apologize to a lot more people who you insulted
because they could open links that you could not.
There are many definitions of 'engineer':
https://tinyurl.com/ctcmxu6n
On 5/3/2025 10:52 AM, cyclintom wrote:Plainly, the oinly reason that you got a job at YU was because no one else would work in that burned out humk of a city. You couldn't be employed anywhere else.
I don"t know in what world you live since that appended ">" changes the address. But then you're absolutely willing to live in a hell hole and tell me that I live in a hell hole and tell everyone that the incorrect address works just fine with you.
TRell us again how the inxorrect address works.
So that was posted at 10:52. By 3:30 you finally figured out how you
were screwing up basic internet use, and you apologized to Jeff. No
apologies to anyone else. Just the same old deflections, insults and
rants, sprinkled with the same chaotic typos and spelling errors.
There might be some medication you're forgetting to take. Or there might
be some mental condition which is beyond medication. If so, my sympathies.
On 5/3/2025 10:52 AM, cyclintom wrote:Plainly, the oinly reason that you got a job at YU was because no one else would work in that burned out humk of a city. You couldn't be employed anywhere else.
I don"t know in what world you live since that appended ">" changes the address. But then you're absolutely willing to live in a hell hole and tell me that I live in a hell hole and tell everyone that the incorrect address works just fine with you.
TRell us again how the inxorrect address works.
So that was posted at 10:52. By 3:30 you finally figured out how you
were screwing up basic internet use, and you apologized to Jeff. No
apologies to anyone else. Just the same old deflections, insults and
rants, sprinkled with the same chaotic typos and spelling errors.
There might be some medication you're forgetting to take. Or there might
be some mental condition which is beyond medication. If so, my sympathies.
Plainly, the oinly reason that you got a job at YU was because no one else would work in that burned out humk of a city. You couldn't be employed anywhere else.I don"t know in what world you live since that appended ">" changes the address. But then you're absolutely willing to live in a hell hole and tell me that I live in a hell hole and tell everyone that the incorrect address works just fine with you.
Tell us again how the incorrect address works.
[raises hand]
It works because it's the standard usenet display protocol.
See also mine above, viz., <[email protected]>.
Or yours which is in the same format.
Yet another lie and change of topic. We were discussing whether your
have proven that you're an engineer.
I'm not the only one who uses angle brackets to delimit URL's. If
your "closure" theory were correct, you would be seeing your vague and non-specific browser errors on every article that uses angle brackets.
That's not happening.
You are also using two different news readers, the broken reader
provided by Newshosting and the buggy unfinished Windoze version of
Pan. The newsreader names appear in the NNTP header of your postings.
I don't believe that both of your news reader programs can produce the
same error from only one person.
If you must lie, at least make your lies believable (or maybe
entertaining).
In any case, whenever you cite a reference I will have to extract the actual address before attempting to read it. Though you shoud be equally careful to cite things that are actually pertinent to the conversation which you have not been doing.
I see. You want me to debate with you. I don't thinks so. It's
easier for me to just ignore your accusations. Do whatever you find
amusing.
Youngstown clearly has lost a lot of people and services ie such as the trains (passengers) as its industry shut down, looks though to be in better shape than the for example the Welsh Valley towns which have had similar issues, though it?s a fair bit larger which helps.
But Frank doesn?t report problems unlike you? As ever don?t believe everything on the internet, US media for example has reported ?No Go Zones? in London or similar, which is baffling to Londoners! Which is almost certainly due to the Orange one having a thing about the London Mayor!
Nice change of topic. On May 2, you posted 17 messages under the
"Disc's without power" thread. Those that were longer than one
sentence included a change of topic or personal insults.
Tell us again how the incorrect address works.
I still find it interesting that most of your chronic spelling errors
are from either adding extra letters to a word. All the letters are
usually there, but you insist on adding one or more letters that are
adjacent to the correct letters (as in TRell). Sometimes, you just substitute the adjacent letter (as in "inxorrect").
I originally though this was due to peripheral neuropathy of the
finger tips, laziness, fear of using a spelling checker, sloppiness,
etc. I'm not so sure any more. My current best guess is that you do
it intentionally to attract attention to yourself by customizing your writings. The words don't belong to you unless you first butcher the spelling. That's also why you don't directly quote (i.e. cut-n-paste) someone else without first butchering the spelling. A perfectly
accurate quotation with sources is not yours, while a highly
customized mutation of the quote can only be attributed to you.
On 5/3/2025 10:52 AM, cyclintom wrote:Plainly, the oinly reason that you got a job at YU was because no one else would work in that burned out humk of a city. You couldn't be employed anywhere else.
I don"t know in what world you live since that appended ">" changes the address. But then you're absolutely willing to live in a hell hole and tell me that I live in a hell hole and tell everyone that the incorrect address works just fine with you.
TRell us again how the inxorrect address works.
So that was posted at 10:52. By 3:30 you finally figured out how you
were screwing up basic internet use, and you apologized to Jeff. No
apologies to anyone else. Just the same old deflections, insults and
rants, sprinkled with the same chaotic typos and spelling errors.
There might be some medication you're forgetting to take. Or there might
be some mental condition which is beyond medication. If so, my sympathies.
On 5/2/2025 12:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 18:30:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
lol...first off, dumbass, when you join a beta test program it doesn't
make you a test engineer, it makes you a guinea pig.
Secondly, Even Betaware has version update topology.
third, you "apparently" joined the beta program? You don't remember
doing it? Then you complain loudly in here that you were getting updates >> with no change in the displayed version?
Fucking half-wit.>
I'm surprised that you didn't tell us how you're so important to your company thst they couldn't care less what you do with your time.
Why would I?
Perhaps you'd like to quote where I said that I was a "test engineer"? I said I was a beta tester which is something completely different, not that you would know.
You wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I
have the BETA software as a test engineer"
You also selectively and dishonestly snipped that from your response,
you lying piece of shit.>
You, like Liebermann, are just another zero in a world of useful people.
If they had a Beta designation why would my software have the standard version number?
Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases may or
may not have a special designation. If you were a real engineer you
would know this.
All that means is the programmers never thought to append an {A} onto the version.
Yeah, because a company like Garmin is so lax in their PLM processes
that they don't check to see if the engineers are properly tracking
software versions - gawd you're fucking braindead.
When you act like a clown, expect to be treated like one.
Right back atcha, skippy.
On 5/2/2025 12:45 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Since this is nothing more than a guess on my part I would only be willing to bet if you hsd an alternate answer other that "not that".
I had another answer, yesterday.
Symptoms from your 28 April original post:
"no power" is most probably air in the system.
"noisy" is more probably contaminated brake pads than
anything else.
Those are the two most common bicycle disc brake problems as
I noted. You cited both symptoms.
Had you said, "I cannot properly align and center the
caliper to the disc." (which you did not write) I would
have suspected poor technique first and defective frame prep
as a very distant, highly unlikely, second possibility.
On Sat May 3 12:59:39 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Yet another lie and change of topic. We were discussing whether your
have proven that you're an engineer.
I'm not the only one who uses angle brackets to delimit URL's. If
your "closure" theory were correct, you would be seeing your vague and
non-specific browser errors on every article that uses angle brackets.
That's not happening.
You are also using two different news readers, the broken reader
provided by Newshosting and the buggy unfinished Windoze version of
Pan. The newsreader names appear in the NNTP header of your postings.
I don't believe that both of your news reader programs can produce the
same error from only one person.
If you must lie, at least make your lies believable (or maybe
entertaining).
In any case, whenever you cite a reference I will have to extract the actual address before attempting to read it. Though you shoud be equally careful to cite things that are actually pertinent to the conversation which you have not been doing.
I see. You want me to debate with you. I don't thinks so. It's
easier for me to just ignore your accusations. Do whatever you find
amusing.
Liebermann, being an engineer is simple - you have to WORK and BE PAID as an engineer, You have not worked as an engineer. Tell us ONE DEVICE you designed or programmed?
You're so stupid that you can't even recognize an apology.
In a couple of days I will be getting my envestment reports and it will have gone up a little because the market as a whole has gone up a lot. This is in contradiction to the ECONOMY which has fallen somewhat because of the tariff complaints. Did youevery wonder why there were no complaints when Bill Clinton install LARGE tariffs to support American businesses? Trump only put in one for one.
It is clear that you know how to pontificate. Just the idea that you have to go out of your way to define "potificate" as if no one knew the definition proves that you are pontificating.
Not to mention your inability to understand typos.
You don't have to be intellectually gifted like Flunky to know that T and R are next to each other on the keyboard or that x and c are also.
I have written scientific studies and reports.
What have you done?
If I don't have time or my cat is sitting in the way, if you don't like the mistakes don't read them.
But you and Krygowski read them specifically for typos instead of content so that you can snivel about them.
I did another 25 mile ride on a bike worth $4,000 this morning.
When was the last time you had any bicycle content in your postings to a bicycle group?
I feel very sad for you but you have brought your entire life onto yourself.
On Sat May 3 15:07:03 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Youngstown clearly has lost a lot of people and services ie such as the
trains (passengers) as its industry shut down, looks though to be in better >> shape than the for example the Welsh Valley towns which have had similar
issues, though it?s a fair bit larger which helps.
But Frank doesn?t report problems unlike you? As ever don?t believe
everything on the internet, US media for example has reported ?No Go Zones? >> in London or similar, which is baffling to Londoners! Which is almost
certainly due to the Orange one having a thing about the London Mayor!
Roger, of course you're correct. Those reports on Youngstown illustrate
and detail the worst parts of town. But remember when Frank said that he
had to get ready to ride though Youngstown as if just riding through it
was a danger to life and limb? And his continuous harping on how where I
live is a hell hole? Poor old Frank just can't get over himself. I will
say this: the worst parts of San Leandro do NOT look like those photos of Youngstown and the worst parts of Oakland neither. There are poorly maintained houses of course but there is a severe housing shortage here
and people must maintain their properties to maintain their values.
My grandfather's house was built well before 1900 and looking at a
picture of it you would only know that because of the style and all of
the surrounding houses are in like condition.
On Fri May 2 14:08:13 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 5/2/2025 12:45 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Since this is nothing more than a guess on my part I would only be
willing to bet if you hsd an alternate answer other that "not that".
I had another answer, yesterday.
Symptoms from your 28 April original post:
"no power" is most probably air in the system.
"noisy" is more probably contaminated brake pads than
anything else.
Those are the two most common bicycle disc brake problems as
I noted. You cited both symptoms.
Had you said, "I cannot properly align and center the
caliper to the disc." (which you did not write) I would
have suspected poor technique first and defective frame prep
as a very distant, highly unlikely, second possibility.
I'm afraid I don't follow you. The brakes were finally bled p;roperly
when I did not follow Shimanos instructions but those in a video
suggestining that you had to bleed them from top to bottom rather than
bottom to top as Shimano says. Once I did that they bled fine.
The brakes are noisy because braking is so bad that slowing down takes so much distance.
You showed several rear dropout castings that all had the same unmachined brake attachment surfaces and you say that all of the symptoms I said
from the frameset being sold for a quarter of the going price to the
surfaces not appearing to have been machined flat to Park Tool making
special tools to correct such problems are "highly unlikely".
I would agree that missing the machining process on a top end bike is unlikely but inasmuch as the symptoms prrtty much point to a mistake like that I would hardly call it highly unlikely
On 5/3/2025 5:46 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:32:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 12:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 18:30:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
lol...first off, dumbass, when you join a beta test program it doesn't >>>>> make you a test engineer, it makes you a guinea pig.
Secondly, Even Betaware has version update topology.
third, you "apparently" joined the beta program? You don't remember
doing it? Then you complain loudly in here that you were getting updates >>>>> with no change in the displayed version?
Fucking half-wit.>
I'm surprised that you didn't tell us how you're so important to your
company thst they couldn't care less what you do with your time.
Why would I?
Perhaps you'd like to quote where I said that I was a "test engineer"? >>>> I said I was a beta tester which is something completely different,
not that you would know.
You wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I
have the BETA software as a test engineer"
You also selectively and dishonestly snipped that from your response,
you lying piece of shit.>
You, like Liebermann, are just another zero in a world of useful people. >>>>
If they had a Beta designation why would my software have the standard version number?
Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases may or
may not have a special designation. If you were a real engineer you
would know this.
All that means is the programmers never thought to append an {A} onto the version.
Yeah, because a company like Garmin is so lax in their PLM processes
that they don't check to see if the engineers are properly tracking
software versions - gawd you're fucking braindead.
When you act like a clown, expect to be treated like one.
Right back atcha, skippy.
I do know this,
No, you don't. Maybe in your lame excuse for a career someone told you
that a test engineer is an end-user in a beta program, but that carries
about as much truth as PWM being used to test cables.
so why are you claiming that Garmin isn't using beta testers as free test engineers?
Because they aren't. A beta user is _not_ a test engineer. Beta users
provide feedback to the development team, they don't perform root cause failure analysis, or debug functions, or fault injection testing.
Why do you come out with these idiotic word salads like Kamala Harris?
You man like when you wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta
software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer" then
wrote you ne ver claimed you were a test engineer?
What is "Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases
may or may not have a special designation." supposed to mean?
Exactly what is says.
A beta release is ALWAYS supposed to have a special designation! Garmin
made a mistake. And you can't even guess why.
It may not have a noticeable designation to the end-user, IOW it might
not have the characters 'beta' in the topology. Garmin didn't make a
mistake. You're simply being a clueless asshole, as usual.
Poor little Flunky is so lost.
Like a guy who thinks being in a beta program for a consumer product
makes him a test engineer?
On Fri May 2 14:32:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 12:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 18:30:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
lol...first off, dumbass, when you join a beta test program it doesn't >>>> make you a test engineer, it makes you a guinea pig.
Secondly, Even Betaware has version update topology.
third, you "apparently" joined the beta program? You don't remember
doing it? Then you complain loudly in here that you were getting updates >>>> with no change in the displayed version?
Fucking half-wit.>
I'm surprised that you didn't tell us how you're so important to your company thst they couldn't care less what you do with your time.
Why would I?
Perhaps you'd like to quote where I said that I was a "test engineer"? I said I was a beta tester which is something completely different, not that you would know.
You wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I
have the BETA software as a test engineer"
You also selectively and dishonestly snipped that from your response,
you lying piece of shit.>
You, like Liebermann, are just another zero in a world of useful people. >>>
If they had a Beta designation why would my software have the standard version number?
Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases may or
may not have a special designation. If you were a real engineer you
would know this.
All that means is the programmers never thought to append an {A} onto the version.
Yeah, because a company like Garmin is so lax in their PLM processes
that they don't check to see if the engineers are properly tracking
software versions - gawd you're fucking braindead.
When you act like a clown, expect to be treated like one.
Right back atcha, skippy.
I do know this,
so why are you claiming that Garmin isn't using beta testers as free test engineers?
Why do you come out with these idiotic word salads like Kamala Harris?
What is "Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases may or may not have a special designation." supposed to mean?
A beta release is ALWAYS supposed to have a special designation! Garmin made a mistake. And you can't even guess why.
Poor little Flunky is so lost.
On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the
non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022)
"Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues
that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more than
You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?
Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad
that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you
really proud.
Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.
Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.
On Sat May 3 09:58:38 2025 AMuzi wrote:Plainly, the oinly reason that you got a job at YU was because no one else would work in that burned out humk of a city. You couldn't be employed anywhere else.
I don"t know in what world you live since that appended ">" changes the address. But then you're absolutely willing to live in a hell hole and tell me that I live in a hell hole and tell everyone that the incorrect address works just fine with you.
Tell us again how the incorrect address works.
[raises hand]
It works because it's the standard usenet display protocol.
See also mine above, viz., <[email protected]>.
Or yours which is in the same format.
You are correct and it finally struck me as I looked at what was in the address and what wasn't. Newshosting has a bug in it.That would be very easy to fix, but they haven't done it.
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:46 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:32:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 12:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 18:30:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
lol...first off, dumbass, when you join a beta test program it doesn't >>>>>> make you a test engineer, it makes you a guinea pig.
Secondly, Even Betaware has version update topology.
third, you "apparently" joined the beta program? You don't remember >>>>>> doing it? Then you complain loudly in here that you were getting updates >>>>>> with no change in the displayed version?
Fucking half-wit.>
I'm surprised that you didn't tell us how you're so important to your >>>>> company thst they couldn't care less what you do with your time.
Why would I?
Perhaps you'd like to quote where I said that I was a "test engineer"? >>>>> I said I was a beta tester which is something completely different,
not that you would know.
You wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I
have the BETA software as a test engineer"
You also selectively and dishonestly snipped that from your response,
you lying piece of shit.>
You, like Liebermann, are just another zero in a world of useful people. >>>>>
If they had a Beta designation why would my software have the standard version number?
Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases may or
may not have a special designation. If you were a real engineer you
would know this.
All that means is the programmers never thought to append an {A} onto the version.
Yeah, because a company like Garmin is so lax in their PLM processes
that they don't check to see if the engineers are properly tracking
software versions - gawd you're fucking braindead.
When you act like a clown, expect to be treated like one.
Right back atcha, skippy.
I do know this,
No, you don't. Maybe in your lame excuse for a career someone told you
that a test engineer is an end-user in a beta program, but that carries
about as much truth as PWM being used to test cables.
so why are you claiming that Garmin isn't using beta testers as free test engineers?
Because they aren't. A beta user is _not_ a test engineer. Beta users
provide feedback to the development team, they don't perform root cause
failure analysis, or debug functions, or fault injection testing.
Why do you come out with these idiotic word salads like Kamala Harris?
You man like when you wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta
software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer" then
wrote you ne ver claimed you were a test engineer?
What is "Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases
may or may not have a special designation." supposed to mean?
Exactly what is says.
A beta release is ALWAYS supposed to have a special designation! Garmin
made a mistake. And you can't even guess why.
It may not have a noticeable designation to the end-user, IOW it might
not have the characters 'beta' in the topology. Garmin didn't make a
mistake. You're simply being a clueless asshole, as usual.
Poor little Flunky is so lost.
Like a guy who thinks being in a beta program for a consumer product
makes him a test engineer?
To the best of my knowledge the beta software for the edge 830 also hasn’t had an update in years not unsurprisingly as it’s now a generation behind and isn’t sold anymore.
Roger Merriman
On Sat May 3 12:59:39 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Yet another lie and change of topic. We were discussing whether your
have proven that you're an engineer.
I'm not the only one who uses angle brackets to delimit URL's. If
your "closure" theory were correct, you would be seeing your vague and
non-specific browser errors on every article that uses angle brackets.
That's not happening.
You are also using two different news readers, the broken reader
provided by Newshosting and the buggy unfinished Windoze version of
Pan. The newsreader names appear in the NNTP header of your postings.
I don't believe that both of your news reader programs can produce the
same error from only one person.
If you must lie, at least make your lies believable (or maybe
entertaining).
In any case, whenever you cite a reference I will have to extract the actual address before attempting to read it. Though you shoud be equally careful to cite things that are actually pertinent to the conversation which you have not been doing.
I see. You want me to debate with you. I don't thinks so. It's
easier for me to just ignore your accusations. Do whatever you find
amusing.
Liebermann, being an engineer is simple - you have to WORK and BE PAID as an engineer, You have not worked as an engineer. Tell us ONE DEVICE you designed or programmed?
You're so stupid that you can't even recognize an apology. The reason that you're such a failure is because you think that people are going to kiss your ass. Why they're just standing in line to do that. Haven't you noticed?
Tell me, when I said that there was a ">" appended to the address did it even occur to you for ONE second where the problem might be?
Of course those references of your had NOTHING to so with the discussion anyway. But that is your typical manner. Wikipedia indeed!
In a couple of days I will be getting my envestment reports
and it will have gone up a little because the market as a whole has gone up a lot. This is in contradiction to the ECONOMY which has fallen somewhat because of the tariff complaints.
Did you every wonder why there were no complaints when Bill Clinton install LARGE tariffs to support American businesses?
Trump only put in one for one.
On Sat May 3 13:43:07 2025 AMuzi wrote:
There are many definitions of 'engineer':
https://tinyurl.com/ctcmxu6n
Unfortunately you are all too correct. Flunky, Liebermann and Krygowski have been using the useless definition "has a degree in engineering".
My definition is "worked commercially for many companies solving real problems in the real world that keep these companies in business." These three could not qualify using that definition.
As an example: someone just brought out a dcevice which is nothing but a reel with an electric motor on it that will switch any mechanical rear derailleur. This is very cleaver and were this released 5 years ago it would have killed the entire Di2 BS.It is nothing but a radio link that entirely eliminates the wires. Mechanical engineers with degrees are scarce among bicycle parts designers. But that electrification of manual derailleurs shows just how clever they can be. And simply changing the reel
Flunky is the one person that I can't find anything positive to say. No one I knew could EVER be able to sit on newsgroups all day.
Most had so much work that they could only occassionally attend at night. Over and over he makes comments that could come from Harris and her word salads.
He hasn't shown to me that he has much education other than some QC standards used on government projects. And knowing them is far different from using them since the numbers are in the requirement documents.
On 5/3/2025 4:33 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat May 3 13:43:07 2025 AMuzi wrote:
There are many definitions of 'engineer':
https://tinyurl.com/ctcmxu6n
Unfortunately you are all too correct. Flunky, Liebermann and
Krygowski have been using the useless definition "has a degree in
engineering".
My definition is "worked commercially for many companies solving real
problems in the real world that keep these companies in business."
I believe that you worked commercially doing technical things. I'm sure
some of those things constituted "real problems." I doubt that any rose
to the level of keeping those companies in business. IOW, I suspect that
if you'd stopped showing up for work, those in charge would have said
"Tom can't make it in this week. Joe, please take over where he left off."
The greatest detail you've given about any of your work was on
programming motion control for a tabletop device to drip solutions into
test tubes, or something similar. Programming motion control is
technician level work, not engineering.
On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.
On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>> that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?
Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad
that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you
really proud.
Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.
Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay
me a lot of money to do it.
Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.
Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell
you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
bracket at the beginning also.
Secondly, any browser app will look at
the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and >extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/] ><https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/] >https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/ ><https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/
Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser >intsallation app.
And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
- it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the
brackets
- why is it only happening to you?
On 5/3/2025 4:53 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Did you every wonder why there were no complaints when Bill Clinton install LARGE tariffs to support American businesses?
Clinton ordered tariffs? Name one. Clinton was famous for NAFTA, which >_eliminated_ tariffs you fucking idiot.
Trump only put in one for one.
lol...trump only put in for _one_ tariff?
On 5/3/2025 5:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
But remember when Frank said that he had to get ready to ride though Youngstown as if just riding through it was a danger to life and limb?
Nope. I ride through Youngstown all the time. My reference to "prepare"
was probably about putting on a jacket, or maybe back before I retired, >strapping my briefcase on the rear rack of my bicycle.
You and a couple others are well known for false claims about what
others have posted, without accurate quotations and without links to the >person's actual post.
On 5/4/2025 6:29 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:46 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:32:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 12:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 18:30:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
lol...first off, dumbass, when you join a beta test program it doesn't >>>>>>> make you a test engineer, it makes you a guinea pig.
Secondly, Even Betaware has version update topology.
third, you "apparently" joined the beta program? You don't remember >>>>>>> doing it? Then you complain loudly in here that you were getting updates
with no change in the displayed version?
Fucking half-wit.>
I'm surprised that you didn't tell us how you're so important to your >>>>>> company thst they couldn't care less what you do with your time.
Why would I?
Perhaps you'd like to quote where I said that I was a "test engineer"? >>>>>> I said I was a beta tester which is something completely different, >>>>>> not that you would know.
You wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I >>>>> have the BETA software as a test engineer"
You also selectively and dishonestly snipped that from your response, >>>>> you lying piece of shit.>
You, like Liebermann, are just another zero in a world of useful people. >>>>>>
If they had a Beta designation why would my software have the standard version number?
Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases may or >>>>> may not have a special designation. If you were a real engineer you
would know this.
All that means is the programmers never thought to append an {A} onto the version.
Yeah, because a company like Garmin is so lax in their PLM processes >>>>> that they don't check to see if the engineers are properly tracking
software versions - gawd you're fucking braindead.
When you act like a clown, expect to be treated like one.
Right back atcha, skippy.
I do know this,
No, you don't. Maybe in your lame excuse for a career someone told you
that a test engineer is an end-user in a beta program, but that carries
about as much truth as PWM being used to test cables.
so why are you claiming that Garmin isn't using beta testers as free test engineers?
Because they aren't. A beta user is _not_ a test engineer. Beta users
provide feedback to the development team, they don't perform root cause
failure analysis, or debug functions, or fault injection testing.
Why do you come out with these idiotic word salads like Kamala Harris?
You man like when you wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta
software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer" then
wrote you ne ver claimed you were a test engineer?
What is "Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases >>>> may or may not have a special designation." supposed to mean?
Exactly what is says.
A beta release is ALWAYS supposed to have a special designation! Garmin >>>> made a mistake. And you can't even guess why.
It may not have a noticeable designation to the end-user, IOW it might
not have the characters 'beta' in the topology. Garmin didn't make a
mistake. You're simply being a clueless asshole, as usual.
Poor little Flunky is so lost.
Like a guy who thinks being in a beta program for a consumer product
makes him a test engineer?
To the best of my knowledge the beta software for the edge 830 also hasn’t >> had an update in years not unsurprisingly as it’s now a generation behind >> and isn’t sold anymore.
It's hard to say what Garmins policy is on obsolete products. I wouldn't
be surprised if they ceased sustaining tasks of the 830, but I know in
some industries (such as mine) we provided sustaining engineering for
many years after the product is taken off the market. However, the fact
that it is no longer sold makes the idea that they would still have a
beta program for it highly unlikely.
Roger Merriman
On 5/4/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 13:40:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
But remember when Frank said that he had to get ready to ride though Youngstown as if just riding through it was a danger to life and limb?
Nope. I ride through Youngstown all the time. My reference to "prepare"
was probably about putting on a jacket, or maybe back before I retired,
strapping my briefcase on the rear rack of my bicycle.
You and a couple others are well known for false claims about what
others have posted, without accurate quotations and without links to the >>> person's actual post.
Today I'm planning a solo ride through the inner city, partly to visit
a new library on the far side of town. I'll be riding on <gasp!>
ordinary streets. Many of those streets will have <oh my!> people of
other races living there.
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/vkwxt_GNBQAJ?hl=en&hl=en
:-) Ah, there's the little Yorkie puppy who can't resist yapping about
my posts!
Note the lack of any "preparing" for the ride. The entire point of my
post was that riding in the city is perfectly normal. Unlike timid
people, I don't think that riding among motor vehicles is inherently
unsafe. Unlike timid people, I don't require a handgun to ride.
On 5/4/2025 5:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 16:55:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 13:40:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
But remember when Frank said that he had to get ready to ride though Youngstown as if just riding through it was a danger to life and limb?
Nope. I ride through Youngstown all the time. My reference to "prepare" >>>>> was probably about putting on a jacket, or maybe back before I retired, >>>>> strapping my briefcase on the rear rack of my bicycle.
You and a couple others are well known for false claims about what
others have posted, without accurate quotations and without links to the >>>>> person's actual post.
Today I'm planning a solo ride through the inner city, partly to visit >>>> a new library on the far side of town. I'll be riding on <gasp!>
ordinary streets. Many of those streets will have <oh my!> people of
other races living there.
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/vkwxt_GNBQAJ?hl=en&hl=en
:-) Ah, there's the little Yorkie puppy who can't resist yapping about
my posts!
Note the lack of any "preparing" for the ride. The entire point of my
post was that riding in the city is perfectly normal. Unlike timid
people, I don't think that riding among motor vehicles is inherently
unsafe. Unlike timid people, I don't require a handgun to ride.
If riding on streets that have people of other races living there is
normal for you, why do you say "oh my!?"
:-) Good grief! Is totally obvious sarcasm really so baffling to you???
That's hilarious! You must be absolutely inept at normal human
interaction. And at your age, you'll never have time to learn.
On Sun, 4 May 2025 19:53:02 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 5:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 16:55:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 13:40:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
But remember when Frank said that he had to get ready to ride
though Youngstown as if just riding through it was a danger to life and limb?
Nope. I ride through Youngstown all the time. My reference to "prepare" >>>>>> was probably about putting on a jacket, or maybe back before I retired, >>>>>> strapping my briefcase on the rear rack of my bicycle.
You and a couple others are well known for false claims about what >>>>>> others have posted, without accurate quotations and without links to the >>>>>> person's actual post.
Today I'm planning a solo ride through the inner city, partly to visit >>>>> a new library on the far side of town. I'll be riding on <gasp!>
ordinary streets. Many of those streets will have <oh my!> people of >>>>> other races living there.
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/vkwxt_GNBQAJ?hl=en&hl=en
:-) Ah, there's the little Yorkie puppy who can't resist yapping about >>>> my posts!
Note the lack of any "preparing" for the ride. The entire point of my
post was that riding in the city is perfectly normal. Unlike timid
people, I don't think that riding among motor vehicles is inherently
unsafe. Unlike timid people, I don't require a handgun to ride.
If riding on streets that have people of other races living there is
normal for you, why do you say "oh my!?"
:-) Good grief! Is totally obvious sarcasm really so baffling to you???
That's hilarious! You must be absolutely inept at normal human
interaction. And at your age, you'll never have time to learn.
In Krygowski's follow up, above, in this thread, he tried to claim it
was all about "riding in the city is perfectly normal," but no, it was clearly a brag about how he was brave enough to ride where people of
other races live.
Krygowski's racial bigotry came through loud and clear.
I suspect Krygowski is baffled by how well I understand him and his
motives. He'll try to deny to himself what I say about him, but deep
down he knows I'm right.
It's evident that he's been making an effort to control his
narcissistic habits, but they slip through when he "can't resist
yapping about Tom Kunich's posts!"
We extreme introverts (INTP, look it up) are very analytical. We are constantly analyzing everything and everybody. It's what I'm doing
while others are off gossiping and trying to be noticed and approved
of.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
floriduh dumbass <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 19:53:02 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 5:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 16:55:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 13:40:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
But remember when Frank said that he had to get ready to ride
though Youngstown as if just riding through it was a danger to life and limb?
Nope. I ride through Youngstown all the time. My reference to "prepare" >>>>>>> was probably about putting on a jacket, or maybe back before I retired, >>>>>>> strapping my briefcase on the rear rack of my bicycle.
You and a couple others are well known for false claims about what >>>>>>> others have posted, without accurate quotations and without links to the
person's actual post.
Today I'm planning a solo ride through the inner city, partly to visit >>>>>> a new library on the far side of town. I'll be riding on <gasp!>
ordinary streets. Many of those streets will have <oh my!> people of >>>>>> other races living there.
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/vkwxt_GNBQAJ?hl=en&hl=en
:-) Ah, there's the little Yorkie puppy who can't resist yapping about >>>>> my posts!
Note the lack of any "preparing" for the ride. The entire point of my >>>>> post was that riding in the city is perfectly normal. Unlike timid
people, I don't think that riding among motor vehicles is inherently >>>>> unsafe. Unlike timid people, I don't require a handgun to ride.
If riding on streets that have people of other races living there is
normal for you, why do you say "oh my!?"
:-) Good grief! Is totally obvious sarcasm really so baffling to you??? >>>
That's hilarious! You must be absolutely inept at normal human
interaction. And at your age, you'll never have time to learn.
In Krygowski's follow up, above, in this thread, he tried to claim it
was all about "riding in the city is perfectly normal," but no, it was
clearly a brag about how he was brave enough to ride where people of
other races live.
Krygowski's racial bigotry came through loud and clear.
I suspect Krygowski is baffled by how well I understand him and his
motives. He'll try to deny to himself what I say about him, but deep
down he knows I'm right.
It's evident that he's been making an effort to control his
narcissistic habits, but they slip through when he "can't resist
yapping about Tom Kunich's posts!"
We extreme introverts (INTP, look it up)
are very analytical. We are
constantly analyzing everything and everybody. It's what I'm doing
while others are off gossiping and trying to be noticed and approved
of.
On 5/4/2025 5:25 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 16:55:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 13:40:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
But remember when Frank said that he had to get ready to ride
though Youngstown as if just riding through it was a danger to
life and limb?
Nope. I ride through Youngstown all the time. My reference to
"prepare"
was probably about putting on a jacket, or maybe back before I
retired,
strapping my briefcase on the rear rack of my bicycle.
You and a couple others are well known for false claims about what
others have posted, without accurate quotations and without links
to the
person's actual post.
Today I'm planning a solo ride through the inner city, partly to visit >>>> a new library on the far side of town. I'll be riding on <gasp!>
ordinary streets. Many of those streets will have <oh my!> people of
other races living there.
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/
vkwxt_GNBQAJ?hl=en&hl=en
:-) Ah, there's the little Yorkie puppy who can't resist yapping about >>> my posts!
Note the lack of any "preparing" for the ride. The entire point of my
post was that riding in the city is perfectly normal. Unlike timid
people, I don't think that riding among motor vehicles is inherently
unsafe. Unlike timid people, I don't require a handgun to ride.
If riding on streets that have people of other races living there is
normal for you, why do you say "oh my!?"
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 19:53:02 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 5:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 16:55:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 13:40:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
But remember when Frank said that he had to get ready to ride
though Youngstown as if just riding through it was a danger to life and limb?
Nope. I ride through Youngstown all the time. My reference to "prepare" >>>>>>> was probably about putting on a jacket, or maybe back before I retired, >>>>>>> strapping my briefcase on the rear rack of my bicycle.
You and a couple others are well known for false claims about what >>>>>>> others have posted, without accurate quotations and without links to the
person's actual post.
Today I'm planning a solo ride through the inner city, partly to visit >>>>>> a new library on the far side of town. I'll be riding on <gasp!>
ordinary streets. Many of those streets will have <oh my!> people of >>>>>> other races living there.
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/vkwxt_GNBQAJ?hl=en&hl=en
:-) Ah, there's the little Yorkie puppy who can't resist yapping about >>>>> my posts!
Note the lack of any "preparing" for the ride. The entire point of my >>>>> post was that riding in the city is perfectly normal. Unlike timid
people, I don't think that riding among motor vehicles is inherently >>>>> unsafe. Unlike timid people, I don't require a handgun to ride.
If riding on streets that have people of other races living there is
normal for you, why do you say "oh my!?"
:-) Good grief! Is totally obvious sarcasm really so baffling to you??? >>>
That's hilarious! You must be absolutely inept at normal human
interaction. And at your age, you'll never have time to learn.
In Krygowski's follow up, above, in this thread, he tried to claim it
was all about "riding in the city is perfectly normal," but no, it was
clearly a brag about how he was brave enough to ride where people of
other races live.
Krygowski's racial bigotry came through loud and clear.
I suspect Krygowski is baffled by how well I understand him and his
motives. He'll try to deny to himself what I say about him, but deep
down he knows I'm right.
It's evident that he's been making an effort to control his
narcissistic habits, but they slip through when he "can't resist
yapping about Tom Kunich's posts!"
We extreme introverts (INTP, look it up) are very analytical. We are
constantly analyzing everything and everybody. It's what I'm doing
while others are off gossiping and trying to be noticed and approved
of.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Your rather making Franks point that your not getting that his was mild >humour.
I�m assuming blinded by the is Frank so must be wrong that a few folks seem >to have.
Roger Merriman
floriduh dumbass <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 19:53:02 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 5:25 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 16:55:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/4/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 13:40:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:10 PM, cyclintom wrote:
But remember when Frank said that he had to get ready to ride >>>>>>>>> though Youngstown as if just riding through it was a danger to life and limb?
Nope. I ride through Youngstown all the time. My reference to "prepare"
was probably about putting on a jacket, or maybe back before I retired,
strapping my briefcase on the rear rack of my bicycle.
You and a couple others are well known for false claims about what >>>>>>>> others have posted, without accurate quotations and without links to the
person's actual post.
Today I'm planning a solo ride through the inner city, partly to visit >>>>>>> a new library on the far side of town. I'll be riding on <gasp!> >>>>>>> ordinary streets. Many of those streets will have <oh my!> people of >>>>>>> other races living there.
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/vkwxt_GNBQAJ?hl=en&hl=en
:-) Ah, there's the little Yorkie puppy who can't resist yapping about >>>>>> my posts!
Note the lack of any "preparing" for the ride. The entire point of my >>>>>> post was that riding in the city is perfectly normal. Unlike timid >>>>>> people, I don't think that riding among motor vehicles is inherently >>>>>> unsafe. Unlike timid people, I don't require a handgun to ride.
If riding on streets that have people of other races living there is >>>>> normal for you, why do you say "oh my!?"
:-) Good grief! Is totally obvious sarcasm really so baffling to you??? >>>>
That's hilarious! You must be absolutely inept at normal human
interaction. And at your age, you'll never have time to learn.
In Krygowski's follow up, above, in this thread, he tried to claim it
was all about "riding in the city is perfectly normal," but no, it was
clearly a brag about how he was brave enough to ride where people of
other races live.
no, you dumb fuck, it was a sarcastic response to you three idiots
claiming Frank was afraid to ride in an area populated with
brown-skinned people.
Krygowski's racial bigotry came through loud and clear.
Says the ignorant twat afraid to ride without a gun
I suspect Krygowski is baffled by how well I understand him and his
motives. He'll try to deny to himself what I say about him, but deep
down he knows I'm right.
No, deep down we know you're an immature narcissistic butt-hurt _little_ >fucktard building strawmen arguments to try to cover the fact that
you're a willfully ignorant twat.
It's evident that he's been making an effort to control his
narcissistic habits, but they slip through when he "can't resist
yapping about Tom Kunich's posts!"
Whataboutism is all you have.
We extreme introverts (INTP, look it up)
You're not an introvert. You're an immature narcissistic butt-hurt
_little_ fucktard with no friends.
are very analytical. We are
constantly analyzing everything and everybody. It's what I'm doing
while others are off gossiping and trying to be noticed and approved
of.
No, your "analysis" is looking for ways to build strawmen to try to
assuage your fragile ego. Newsflash, dumbass, the only person you're
fooling is yourself and possibly kunich, and The only person in this
forum with a more self-inflated thin-skinned ego than you is kunich.
Nice company you're in (floriduh dumbass - keeping the dumbshine state
proud)
On Sun, 4 May 2025 06:53:05 -0400, zen cyclethan proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and >>>>>> it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test >>>>>> program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be >>>>>> more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>>> that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>>>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?
Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad >>>> that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you >>>> really proud.
Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.
Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay
me a lot of money to do it.
Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.
Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell
you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
bracket at the beginning also.
Yep. The angle brackets don't work as delimiters unless there is a
matched pair of angle brackets.
Secondly, any browser app will look at
the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and
extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
<https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/> >>
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/
<https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/
All those work as expected using Forte Agent. However, one of the
purposes of the angle brackets is to deal with spaces and special
characters in the middle of a URL. That's also the reason that online
news services replace spaces with "-" dash characters in the URL. For example, trying to use double quotes to deal with blanks results in non-functional URL's like these:
"https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the basics of time domain
reflectometry tdr"
https://www.hvtechnologies.com/"the basics of time domain
reflectometry tdr"
The angle brackets also prevent the spelling checker in Forte Agent
from attempting to spell check words in the URL. It will correctly
ignore spelling issues in anything that starts with http or https and
which is properly delimited by angle brackets. Without these, Forte
Agent will try to spell check everything after the first space in the
URL.
Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser
intsallation app.
Tom is not using a browser. There's no line in the header identifying
the software in any of his postings.
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
is mising. Instead, he's probably using the news reader from his NNTP service (Newshosting.com).
<https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader/>
Another indication that he's using their news reader is the mess it
makes dealing with upper/lower case replies such as:
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Disc's without power
And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
- it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the
brackets
- why is it only happening to you?
On Sat, 03 May 2025 21:30:41 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
It is clear that you know how to pontificate. Just the idea that you have to go out of your way to define "potificate" as if no one knew the definition proves that you are pontificating.
I didn't provide the definition for the other readers because they
know how to search for definitions on the Internet. I provided the definition first for myself, because I wasn't quite sure of the exact definition, and secondly for you, because I was fairly sure you didn't
know the definition and would not look it up.
Not to mention your inability to understand typos.
Why do you consider my inability to decode your typos a good thing? I shouldn't need to know such things if you would bother to use a
spelling checker. I can decode most of your sloppy typing and inept spelling. I just don't consider it worth the effort.
You don't have to be intellectually gifted like Flunky to know that T and R are next to each other on the keyboard or that x and c are also.
It took me quite a while to determine the mechanism behind your sloppy typing. I went much further than just determining that your mistakes
were from hitting adjacent keys. At this time, I can probably
determine which of your fingers are giving you trouble.
I have written scientific studies and reports.
Google scholar doesn't find any papers written by you: <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22thomas%20kunich%22>
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22tom%20kunich%22> Of course, this is not definitive because absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence.
What have you done?
Nothing you would consider important. However, I do have a question.
Why do you want to make yourself appear important because you might
have published some papers and why do you expect me to follow in your example? I have no reason to need general acclaim, but you seem to
crave it.
If I don't have time or my cat is sitting in the way, if you don't like the mistakes don't read them.
I don't believe you have a cat. No specific reason except I don't
think any cat would tolerate you for very long. Cats choose their
owners, not the other way around.
But you and Krygowski read them specifically for typos instead of content so that you can snivel about them.
I can't speak for Frank, but that's fairly close to why I read rec.bicycles.tech. You've asked me several times why I'm here. My
purpose is to demonstrate your mistakes and to ruin what's left of
your credibility and reputation rec.bicycles.tech.
I did another 25 mile ride on a bike worth $4,000 this morning.
Amazing. Did you really have your bicycle appraised before today's
ride? Which of your bicycles is worth $4,000?
When was the last time you had any bicycle content in your postings to a bicycle group?
Along with a lox, bagel and onion sandwich, I had some bicycle content
this afternoon for lunch. I suspect that this is not the answer you
were expecting. If you rephrase your question in a less ambiguous
manner, I might be able to answer it.
I feel very sad for you but you have brought your entire life onto yourself.
How does one bring my entire life onto myself? I have no idea what
you're talking about and neither do you.
On 5/5/2025 9:43 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
I figured Krygowski out a long time ago..
Everyone else has figured you out a long time ago. You're a man of no >accomplishments whose personal pride was based on largely on your
physique (evidence: posting bragging photos from decades ago, or
bragging about being tall) but you're now so old and feeble that you can
ride only while lying down on dead flat terrain, using a cane for
balance when you try to rise.
You now feel so weak and vulnerable that you do even that riding only
while armed and ready. You're so afraid of social contact that you can't >decode obvious social banter.
And you're now so timid that you claim riding near motor vehicles can
never be safe for you. You'll never forgive me for a mild comment that
called attention to that fear. That's triggered you into acting like a >10-year-old girl in a permanent snit.
In your diminished state, you're reduced trying to "punish" me by acting
like an asshole every time I post. The thought that is effective is more >evidence of social ignorance - which, given your age, is long past
permanent.
But do keep posting! Each posts confirms your shortcomings.
On Sat May 3 18:19:46 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 03 May 2025 21:30:41 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
It is clear that you know how to pontificate. Just the idea that you have to go out of your way to define "potificate" as if no one knew the definition proves that you are pontificating.
I didn't provide the definition for the other readers because they
know how to search for definitions on the Internet. I provided the
definition first for myself, because I wasn't quite sure of the exact
definition, and secondly for you, because I was fairly sure you didn't
know the definition and would not look it up.
Not to mention your inability to understand typos.
Why do you consider my inability to decode your typos a good thing? I
shouldn't need to know such things if you would bother to use a
spelling checker. I can decode most of your sloppy typing and inept
spelling. I just don't consider it worth the effort.
You don't have to be intellectually gifted like Flunky to know that T and R are next to each other on the keyboard or that x and c are also.
It took me quite a while to determine the mechanism behind your sloppy
typing. I went much further than just determining that your mistakes
were from hitting adjacent keys. At this time, I can probably
determine which of your fingers are giving you trouble.
I have written scientific studies and reports.
Google scholar doesn't find any papers written by you:
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22thomas%20kunich%22>
<https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22tom%20kunich%22> >> Of course, this is not definitive because absence of evidence isn't
necessarily evidence of absence.
What have you done?
Nothing you would consider important. However, I do have a question.
Why do you want to make yourself appear important because you might
have published some papers and why do you expect me to follow in your
example? I have no reason to need general acclaim, but you seem to
crave it.
If I don't have time or my cat is sitting in the way, if you don't like the mistakes don't read them.
I don't believe you have a cat. No specific reason except I don't
think any cat would tolerate you for very long. Cats choose their
owners, not the other way around.
But you and Krygowski read them specifically for typos instead of content so that you can snivel about them.
I can't speak for Frank, but that's fairly close to why I read
rec.bicycles.tech. You've asked me several times why I'm here. My
purpose is to demonstrate your mistakes and to ruin what's left of
your credibility and reputation rec.bicycles.tech.
I did another 25 mile ride on a bike worth $4,000 this morning.
Amazing. Did you really have your bicycle appraised before today's
ride? Which of your bicycles is worth $4,000?
When was the last time you had any bicycle content in your postings to a bicycle group?
Along with a lox, bagel and onion sandwich, I had some bicycle content
this afternoon for lunch. I suspect that this is not the answer you
were expecting. If you rephrase your question in a less ambiguous
manner, I might be able to answer it.
I feel very sad for you but you have brought your entire life onto yourself.
How does one bring my entire life onto myself? I have no idea what
you're talking about and neither do you.
https://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html This was submitted to three cycling magazines who responded that they were trying to increase helmet use so wouldn't publish it.
https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?
I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.
I worked for LBRL as well.
And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and superaccurate timing.
Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.
Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?
On 5/5/2025 6:55 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2025 17:50:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/5/2025 9:43 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
I figured Krygowski out a long time ago..
Everyone else has figured you out a long time ago. You're a man of no
accomplishments whose personal pride was based on largely on your
physique (evidence: posting bragging photos from decades ago, or
bragging about being tall) but you're now so old and feeble that you can >>> ride only while lying down on dead flat terrain, using a cane for
balance when you try to rise.
You now feel so weak and vulnerable that you do even that riding only
while armed and ready. You're so afraid of social contact that you can't >>> decode obvious social banter.
And you're now so timid that you claim riding near motor vehicles can
never be safe for you. You'll never forgive me for a mild comment that
called attention to that fear. That's triggered you into acting like a
10-year-old girl in a permanent snit.
In your diminished state, you're reduced trying to "punish" me by acting >>> like an asshole every time I post. The thought that is effective is more >>> evidence of social ignorance - which, given your age, is long past
permanent.
Oh my, I triggered Krygowski by mentioning his racial bigotry, and now
he's really REALLY angry at me.
But do keep posting! Each posts confirms your shortcomings.
Lot's of irony in that last statement.
The fact is that I identified him as a racist a couple of years ago
when he made up and posted the following nonsense anecdote about
encountering racism when bicycling in Florida. It's clearly and
obviously untrue, and it shows that he's actually ashamed of his
racism and tries to deny it, even to himself, by posting his made up
story. Like I said, I figured him out a long time ago. He knows it,
and now I simply rub it in.
Krygowski's imaginative anecdote, below....
"Somewhat similar, but more depressing: Some years ago I was in
Florida, riding the coast from Amelia Island southward past
Jacksonville. I was going to visit some people I knew in a large gated
community south of Jacksonville."
"Anyway, I was able to find pleasant roads all the way, including an
interesting ferry ride. But south of the city, I came to an ugly
looking four lane. Yes, I could ride it; but checking my map, I saw
there was a small road right along the shore, sure to be more
pleasant."
"The easiest way to get to it was through another gated community. I
went up to the young guy guarding the gate in his little guard house
and asked if I was allowed to cut through. Of course not! Anyone as
dangerous looking as a bicyclist was not allowed."
"So, referring to my map, I said "I guess I'll cut through that next
neighborhood" referring to one immediately south. The young guy said
"Oh, I'd never go through there! When I come to work, I never even
drive through there. Around here, I keep my car doors locked and I get
locked into my booth as soon as I arrive."
"Well, the "problem" was that I was proposing to ride through a black
neighborhood. I ignored the timid kid and rode through it - past
little kids playing who smiled and waved at me as I rode by, past well
dressed ladies leaving a little church, until I got to the coast road.
It was far from terrifying, despite the guard's paranoia."
Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/10AmlXyscW0/m/dvR3QTUpAwAJ >>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
:-) How charming! He's so obsessed with me he archives my posts!
But he somehow thinks my post above was racist! Again, his total lack of >basic social skills prevents him from interpreting ordinary conversation.
On 5/5/2025 6:55 PM, dumbass floriduh strawman wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2025 17:50:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/5/2025 9:43 AM, dumbass floriduh strawman wrote:
I figured Krygowski out a long time ago..
Everyone else has figured you out a long time ago. You're a man of no
accomplishments whose personal pride was based on largely on your
physique (evidence: posting bragging photos from decades ago, or
bragging about being tall) but you're now so old and feeble that you can >>> ride only while lying down on dead flat terrain, using a cane for
balance when you try to rise.
You now feel so weak and vulnerable that you do even that riding only
while armed and ready. You're so afraid of social contact that you can't >>> decode obvious social banter.
And you're now so timid that you claim riding near motor vehicles can
never be safe for you. You'll never forgive me for a mild comment that
called attention to that fear. That's triggered you into acting like a
10-year-old girl in a permanent snit.
In your diminished state, you're reduced trying to "punish" me by acting >>> like an asshole every time I post. The thought that is effective is more >>> evidence of social ignorance - which, given your age, is long past
permanent.
Oh my, I triggered Krygowski by mentioning his racial bigotry, and now
he's really REALLY angry at me.
But do keep posting! Each posts confirms your shortcomings.
Lot's of irony in that last statement.
The fact is that I identified him as a racist a couple of years ago
when he made up and posted the following nonsense anecdote about
encountering racism when bicycling in Florida. It's clearly and
obviously untrue, and it shows that he's actually ashamed of his
racism and tries to deny it, even to himself, by posting his made up
story. Like I said, I figured him out a long time ago. He knows it,
and now I simply rub it in.
Krygowski's imaginative anecdote, below....
"Somewhat similar, but more depressing: Some years ago I was in
Florida, riding the coast from Amelia Island southward past
Jacksonville. I was going to visit some people I knew in a large gated
community south of Jacksonville."
"Anyway, I was able to find pleasant roads all the way, including an
interesting ferry ride. But south of the city, I came to an ugly
looking four lane. Yes, I could ride it; but checking my map, I saw
there was a small road right along the shore, sure to be more
pleasant."
"The easiest way to get to it was through another gated community. I
went up to the young guy guarding the gate in his little guard house
and asked if I was allowed to cut through. Of course not! Anyone as
dangerous looking as a bicyclist was not allowed."
"So, referring to my map, I said "I guess I'll cut through that next
neighborhood" referring to one immediately south. The young guy said
"Oh, I'd never go through there! When I come to work, I never even
drive through there. Around here, I keep my car doors locked and I get
locked into my booth as soon as I arrive."
"Well, the "problem" was that I was proposing to ride through a black
neighborhood. I ignored the timid kid and rode through it - past
little kids playing who smiled and waved at me as I rode by, past well
dressed ladies leaving a little church, until I got to the coast road.
It was far from terrifying, despite the guard's paranoia."
Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/10AmlXyscW0/m/
dvR3QTUpAwAJ
--
C'est bon
Soloman
:-) How charming! He's so obsessed with me he archives my posts!
But he somehow thinks my post above was racist! Again, his total lack of basic social skills prevents him from interpreting ordinary conversation.
On 5/5/2025 11:03 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/5/2025 6:55 PM, dumbass floriduh strawman wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2025 17:50:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/5/2025 9:43 AM, dumbass floriduh strawman wrote:
I figured Krygowski out a long time ago..
Everyone else has figured you out a long time ago. You're a man of no
accomplishments whose personal pride was based on largely on your
physique (evidence: posting bragging photos from decades ago, or
bragging about being tall) but you're now so old and feeble that you can >>>> ride only while lying down on dead flat terrain, using a cane for
balance when you try to rise.
You now feel so weak and vulnerable that you do even that riding only
while armed and ready. You're so afraid of social contact that you can't >>>> decode obvious social banter.
And you're now so timid that you claim riding near motor vehicles can
never be safe for you. You'll never forgive me for a mild comment that >>>> called attention to that fear. That's triggered you into acting like a >>>> 10-year-old girl in a permanent snit.
In your diminished state, you're reduced trying to "punish" me by acting >>>> like an asshole every time I post. The thought that is effective is more >>>> evidence of social ignorance - which, given your age, is long past
permanent.
Oh my, I triggered Krygowski by mentioning his racial bigotry, and now
he's really REALLY angry at me.
But do keep posting! Each posts confirms your shortcomings.
Lot's of irony in that last statement.
The fact is that I identified him as a racist a couple of years ago
when he made up and posted the following nonsense anecdote about
encountering racism when bicycling in Florida. It's clearly and
obviously untrue, and it shows that he's actually ashamed of his
racism and tries to deny it, even to himself, by posting his made up
story. Like I said, I figured him out a long time ago. He knows it,
and now I simply rub it in.
Krygowski's imaginative anecdote, below....
"Somewhat similar, but more depressing: Some years ago I was in
Florida, riding the coast from Amelia Island southward past
Jacksonville. I was going to visit some people I knew in a large gated
community south of Jacksonville."
"Anyway, I was able to find pleasant roads all the way, including an
interesting ferry ride. But south of the city, I came to an ugly
looking four lane. Yes, I could ride it; but checking my map, I saw
there was a small road right along the shore, sure to be more
pleasant."
"The easiest way to get to it was through another gated community. I
went up to the young guy guarding the gate in his little guard house
and asked if I was allowed to cut through. Of course not! Anyone as
dangerous looking as a bicyclist was not allowed."
"So, referring to my map, I said "I guess I'll cut through that next
neighborhood" referring to one immediately south. The young guy said
"Oh, I'd never go through there! When I come to work, I never even
drive through there. Around here, I keep my car doors locked and I get
locked into my booth as soon as I arrive."
"Well, the "problem" was that I was proposing to ride through a black
neighborhood. I ignored the timid kid and rode through it - past
little kids playing who smiled and waved at me as I rode by, past well
dressed ladies leaving a little church, until I got to the coast road.
It was far from terrifying, despite the guard's paranoia."
Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/10AmlXyscW0/m/
dvR3QTUpAwAJ
--
C'est bon
Soloman
:-)� How charming! He's so obsessed with me he archives my posts!
but he's not obsessed with you....noooooo....that's not obsessive at all.
But he somehow thinks my post above was racist! Again, his total lack of
basic social skills prevents him from interpreting ordinary conversation.
It similar to how someone tried calling me racist long ago in a
different usenet forum because I noted that I was once called a "stupid
mick" as an attempted insult (the irony being is that I have no
discernible irish heritage).
no, floriduh dumbass, frank stating that he wasn't afraid to ride though
a neighborhood where others were afraid to go doesn't make him a racist.
We all know you'd like to think it does, because you'll make up any
strawman - no matter how ridiculous and farcical - in order to
desperatly to assuage your fragile ego. In reality the only consistent >strawmen in this forum are you and kunich - Brainless and fragile.
New nickname for you - dumbass floriduh strawman.
On Mon, 05 May 2025 18:05:52 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
https://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html This was submitted to three cycling magazines who responded that they were trying to increase helmet use so wouldn't publish it.
It's their right to refuse to publish your article. You could scream censorship, but if you're not running for political office, freedom of
speech doesn't apply. Free speech only restricts the government from
tossing your articles in the recycler. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech>
https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?
Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
Copyright Office. Have you done this? <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>
Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
legislation or an "opinion piece".
You stated that:
"I have written scientific studies and reports."
If you have written more than one, where are they?
I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.
You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
would have been de-classified by now.
I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL.
The time
span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009,
you worked full timeaccurate timing.
during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
required considerable editorial assistance.
I worked for LBRL as well.
That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
your online resume: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and super
Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
including post graduate students.
05/27/2024
Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]> <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
investments." etc...
Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.
Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.
Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?
Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of yourself.
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:46 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:32:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 12:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 18:30:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
lol...first off, dumbass, when you join a beta test program it doesn't >>>>> make you a test engineer, it makes you a guinea pig.
Secondly, Even Betaware has version update topology.
third, you "apparently" joined the beta program? You don't remember >>>>> doing it? Then you complain loudly in here that you were getting updates
with no change in the displayed version?
Fucking half-wit.>
I'm surprised that you didn't tell us how you're so important to your >>>> company thst they couldn't care less what you do with your time.
Why would I?
Perhaps you'd like to quote where I said that I was a "test engineer"? >>>> I said I was a beta tester which is something completely different,
not that you would know.
You wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I
have the BETA software as a test engineer"
You also selectively and dishonestly snipped that from your response,
you lying piece of shit.>
You, like Liebermann, are just another zero in a world of useful people. >>>>
If they had a Beta designation why would my software have the standard version number?
Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases may or
may not have a special designation. If you were a real engineer you
would know this.
All that means is the programmers never thought to append an {A} onto the version.
Yeah, because a company like Garmin is so lax in their PLM processes
that they don't check to see if the engineers are properly tracking
software versions - gawd you're fucking braindead.
When you act like a clown, expect to be treated like one.
Right back atcha, skippy.
I do know this,
No, you don't. Maybe in your lame excuse for a career someone told you
that a test engineer is an end-user in a beta program, but that carries about as much truth as PWM being used to test cables.
so why are you claiming that Garmin isn't using beta testers as free test engineers?
Because they aren't. A beta user is _not_ a test engineer. Beta users provide feedback to the development team, they don't perform root cause failure analysis, or debug functions, or fault injection testing.
Why do you come out with these idiotic word salads like Kamala Harris?
You man like when you wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta
software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer" then
wrote you ne ver claimed you were a test engineer?
What is "Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases
may or may not have a special designation." supposed to mean?
Exactly what is says.
A beta release is ALWAYS supposed to have a special designation! Garmin
made a mistake. And you can't even guess why.
It may not have a noticeable designation to the end-user, IOW it might
not have the characters 'beta' in the topology. Garmin didn't make a mistake. You're simply being a clueless asshole, as usual.
Poor little Flunky is so lost.
Like a guy who thinks being in a beta program for a consumer product
makes him a test engineer?
To the best of my knowledge the beta software for the edge 830 also hasn?t had an update in years not unsurprisingly as it?s now a generation behind
and isn?t sold anymore.
[raises hand]
It works because it's the standard usenet display protocol.
See also mine above, viz., <[email protected]>.
Or yours which is in the same format.
On 5/3/2025 4:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:
You are correct and it finally struck me as I looked at what was in the address and what wasn't. Newshosting has a bug in it.That would be very easy to fix, but they haven't done it.
ohdeargawd....Newshosting does _not_ have a bug which breaks links
because a bracket is added.
On Sun May 4 06:59:36 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 5/3/2025 4:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:
You are correct and it finally struck me as I looked at what was in the address and what wasn't. Newshosting has a bug in it.That would be very easy to fix, but they haven't done it.
ohdeargawd....Newshosting does _not_ have a bug which breaks links
because a bracket is added.
There we have directly from the man who has never used Newshosting. Even on your good days you're a complete idiot.
Does everyone have this now? If you add extra characters to an address it doesn't make any difference.
On Sun May 4 06:59:36 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 5/3/2025 4:59 PM, cyclintom wrote:
You are correct and it finally struck me as I looked at what was in the address and what wasn't. Newshosting has a bug in it.That would be very easy to fix, but they haven't done it.
ohdeargawd....Newshosting does _not_ have a bug which breaks links
because a bracket is added.
There we have directly from the man who has never used Newshosting. Even on your good days you're a complete idiot.
Does everyone have this now? If you add extra characters to an address it doesn't make any difference.
On Sun May 4 10:29:14 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:46 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:32:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 12:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 18:30:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
lol...first off, dumbass, when you join a beta test program it doesn't >>>>>>> make you a test engineer, it makes you a guinea pig.
Secondly, Even Betaware has version update topology.
third, you "apparently" joined the beta program? You don't remember >>>>>>> doing it? Then you complain loudly in here that you were getting updates
with no change in the displayed version?
Fucking half-wit.>
I'm surprised that you didn't tell us how you're so important to your >>>>>> company thst they couldn't care less what you do with your time.
Why would I?
Perhaps you'd like to quote where I said that I was a "test engineer"? >>>>>> I said I was a beta tester which is something completely different, >>>>>> not that you would know.
You wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I >>>>> have the BETA software as a test engineer"
You also selectively and dishonestly snipped that from your response, >>>>> you lying piece of shit.>
You, like Liebermann, are just another zero in a world of useful people. >>>>>>
If they had a Beta designation why would my software have the standard version number?
Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases may or >>>>> may not have a special designation. If you were a real engineer you
would know this.
All that means is the programmers never thought to append an {A} onto the version.
Yeah, because a company like Garmin is so lax in their PLM processes >>>>> that they don't check to see if the engineers are properly tracking
software versions - gawd you're fucking braindead.
When you act like a clown, expect to be treated like one.
Right back atcha, skippy.
I do know this,
No, you don't. Maybe in your lame excuse for a career someone told you
that a test engineer is an end-user in a beta program, but that carries
about as much truth as PWM being used to test cables.
so why are you claiming that Garmin isn't using beta testers as free test engineers?
Because they aren't. A beta user is _not_ a test engineer. Beta users
provide feedback to the development team, they don't perform root cause
failure analysis, or debug functions, or fault injection testing.
Why do you come out with these idiotic word salads like Kamala Harris?
You man like when you wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta
software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer" then
wrote you ne ver claimed you were a test engineer?
What is "Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases >>>> may or may not have a special designation." supposed to mean?
Exactly what is says.
A beta release is ALWAYS supposed to have a special designation! Garmin >>>> made a mistake. And you can't even guess why.
It may not have a noticeable designation to the end-user, IOW it might
not have the characters 'beta' in the topology. Garmin didn't make a
mistake. You're simply being a clueless asshole, as usual.
Poor little Flunky is so lost.
Like a guy who thinks being in a beta program for a consumer product
makes him a test engineer?
To the best of my knowledge the beta software for the edge 830 also hasn?t >> had an update in years not unsurprisingly as it?s now a generation behind
and isn?t sold anymore.
Welol, you're quite corre3ct that the Edge 830 is behind but so it the
840. Garmin has been searching for a popular product for a long time and
they appear to have made it with the watch health line so I expect the
Edge line to all but disappear and have no real support, but the beta
release is still better than the main software.
accurate timing.https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?
Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
Copyright Office. Have you done this? <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>
Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
legislation or an "opinion piece".
You stated that:
"I have written scientific studies and reports."
If you have written more than one, where are they?
I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.
You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
would have been de-classified by now.
I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL. The time
span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009, you worked full time
during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
required considerable editorial assistance.
I worked for LBRL as well.
That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
your online resume: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and super
Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
including post graduate students.
05/27/2024
Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]> <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
investments." etc...
Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.
Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.
Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?
Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of yourself.
On 5/5/2025 10:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:super accurate timing.
On Mon, 05 May 2025 18:05:52 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
https://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html This was submitted to three cycling magazines who responded that they were trying to increase helmet use so wouldn't publish it.
It's their right to refuse to publish your article. You could scream censorship, but if you're not running for political office, freedom of speech doesn't apply. Free speech only restricts the government from tossing your articles in the recycler. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech>
https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?
Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
Copyright Office. Have you done this? <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>
Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
legislation or an "opinion piece".
You stated that:
"I have written scientific studies and reports."
If you have written more than one, where are they?
I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.
You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
would have been de-classified by now.
I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL.
He didn't. If he did, he should be able to at least recall the subject
matter and summarize the abstract of the papers here - and as you note,
it would have been declassified long ago.
The time
span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009,
Correction - drunken driving accident. Tom may have had a bike accident,
but that wasn't the incident that was coincident with his two year gap.
I'm pretty convinced he did jail time for that since an arrest warrant
was issued for him for failure to appear for his drunk driving charge.
This would explain his lack of presence in forums as well as his
complaint that he had to sell all his bike stuff (to pay the fines).
you worked full time
during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
required considerable editorial assistance.
I worked for LBRL as well.
That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL, Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
your online resume: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
including post graduate students.
I also note he claims to have this "extreme high voltage experience" yet nothing in his resume show that experience. Then too he claims they
needed "super accurate timing". If they were interested in critical
timing measurements, I think it's safe to assume that anyone with
tommy's alleged credentials wouldn't have a much of a learning curve to
be able to contribute (because a recent college graduate is more
desirable for critical control systems than a season profession in the specific area of expertise...lol).
For all intents and purposes, the statement "I had been hired there for
my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very
high voltage and super accurate timing" is just more self-aggrandizing bullshit. He may have gotten an interview because of the embellishments
on his resume (spelling and factual errors therein notwithstanding) but
he never actually worked at NASA, LLRL, LBNL, or Analog Devices.
05/27/2024
Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]> <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their investments." etc...
Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.
Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.
Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?
Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of yourself.
He does pretty well with that on his own.
On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.
On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and
it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test
program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be
more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>> that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?
Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad
that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you
really proud.
Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.
Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay
me a lot of money to do it.
Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.
Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell
you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
bracket at the beginning also. Secondly, any browser app will look at
the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/] <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/] https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/ <https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/
Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser intsallation app.
And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
- it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the
brackets
- why is it only happening to you?
On 5/5/2025 10:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:super accurate timing.
On Mon, 05 May 2025 18:05:52 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
https://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html This was submitted to three cycling magazines who responded that they were trying to increase helmet use so wouldn't publish it.
It's their right to refuse to publish your article. You could scream censorship, but if you're not running for political office, freedom of speech doesn't apply. Free speech only restricts the government from tossing your articles in the recycler. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech>
https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?
Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
Copyright Office. Have you done this? <https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>
Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
legislation or an "opinion piece".
You stated that:
"I have written scientific studies and reports."
If you have written more than one, where are they?
I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.
You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
would have been de-classified by now.
I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL.
He didn't. If he did, he should be able to at least recall the subject
matter and summarize the abstract of the papers here - and as you note,
it would have been declassified long ago.
The time
span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009,
Correction - drunken driving accident. Tom may have had a bike accident,
but that wasn't the incident that was coincident with his two year gap.
I'm pretty convinced he did jail time for that since an arrest warrant
was issued for him for failure to appear for his drunk driving charge.
This would explain his lack of presence in forums as well as his
complaint that he had to sell all his bike stuff (to pay the fines).
you worked full time
during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
required considerable editorial assistance.
I worked for LBRL as well.
That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL, Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
your online resume: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
including post graduate students.
I also note he claims to have this "extreme high voltage experience" yet nothing in his resume show that experience. Then too he claims they
needed "super accurate timing". If they were interested in critical
timing measurements, I think it's safe to assume that anyone with
tommy's alleged credentials wouldn't have a much of a learning curve to
be able to contribute (because a recent college graduate is more
desirable for critical control systems than a season profession in the specific area of expertise...lol).
For all intents and purposes, the statement "I had been hired there for
my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very
high voltage and super accurate timing" is just more self-aggrandizing bullshit. He may have gotten an interview because of the embellishments
on his resume (spelling and factual errors therein notwithstanding) but
he never actually worked at NASA, LLRL, LBNL, or Analog Devices.
05/27/2024
Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]> <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their investments." etc...
Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.
Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.
Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?
Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of yourself.
He does pretty well with that on his own.
brackets
- why is it only happening to you?
On Sun, 4 May 2025 06:53:05 -0400, zen cyclethan proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and >>>>> it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test >>>>> program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be >>>>> more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>> that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?
Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad >>> that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you >>> really proud.
Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.
Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay
me a lot of money to do it.
Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.
Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell >you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
bracket at the beginning also.
Yep. The angle brackets don't work as delimiters unless there is a
matched pair of angle brackets.
Secondly, any browser app will look at
the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and >extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/] ><https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/] >https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/ ><https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/
All those work as expected using Forte Agent. However, one of the
purposes of the angle brackets is to deal with spaces and special
characters in the middle of a URL. That's also the reason that online
news services replace spaces with "-" dash characters in the URL. For example, trying to use double quotes to deal with blanks results in non-functional URL's like these:
"https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the basics of time domain
reflectometry tdr"
https://www.hvtechnologies.com/"the basics of time domain
reflectometry tdr"
The angle brackets also prevent the spelling checker in Forte Agent
from attempting to spell check words in the URL. It will correctly
ignore spelling issues in anything that starts with http or https and
which is properly delimited by angle brackets. Without these, Forte
Agent will try to spell check everything after the first space in the
URL.
Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser >intsallation app.
Tom is not using a browser. There's no line in the header identifying
the software in any of his postings. For example:
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
is mising. Instead, he's probably using the news reader from his NNTP service (Newshosting.com).
<https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader/>
Another indication that he's using their news reader is the mess it
makes dealing with upper/lower case replies such as:
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Disc's without power
And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
- it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the >brackets
- why is it only happening to you?
https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/
9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?
Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.
On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:51:19 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/
9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?
Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.
Congratulations. You've been fooled by AI.
1. Gary, Indiana was generated with AI. Notice that there are no
readable letters or numbers on any of the buildings.
2. Camden, New Jersey was also done with AI. I don't see any house
numbers on any of the buildings or doors. Someone must be taking care
of the road because there are no weeds in the road, while there are
far too many weeds near the houses. I would also expect there to be
some graffiti on the walls, broken windows, and trash on the streets.
3 and 4 are similar to 2.
5. St. Louis, Missouri shows the first indications of graffiti. Some
of the artwork is too high or badly located to be real. St Louis is
spelled wrong (because the AI screwed up the text conversion). The
green "lawn" area looks too real. Unkempt lawn do not support a
monoculture but tend to support a diverse assortment of plants. No
debris anywhere is rather suspicious.
6. Again, the graffiti doesn't look real (no text or numbers). It's
amazing how many photos of slums can be found without clutter, trees
or street signs.
I'll skip forward to:
9. Youngstown, Ohio which looks very much like the other photos. At
least there's one trash barrel in the photo. However, I really doubt
that the city trash and recycling services provide garage collection.
Most garbage collection involves multiple barrels, by type of waste,
to make recycling possible. Blue would be recycling.
30. Bakersfield, California is an exception. Facing the sun, one
cannot see any detail or colors. Also, not trash and debris in the
street. Same with
43. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
41. Marion, Indiana shows a small sign in a window, that's completely unreadable. No other letters or numbers anywhere.
ALL of the 50 photos show very similar sky, clouds, and green plants.
None of the buildings, objects, poles, etc show any sign of having a
shadow on the ground. It's also amazing that almost all of the photos
have almost exactly the same color green plants, even though they are
located in 50 different cities.
I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN
but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the
forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.
I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such
work?
On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN
but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the >>forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.
Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no
broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It
wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images
on one page makes it easier to compare: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
(click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.
I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such >>work?
Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example:
"Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
house designs, from layout to aesthetics." ><https://openart.ai/generator/house>
More: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>
I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to
design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
think I could have produced something useful eventually.
Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
"Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
That produced this: ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
and this:
"add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
"brighten picture" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
"undo" followed by "brighten bicycle" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.
On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:26:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN
but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the
forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.
Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no
broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It
wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images
on one page makes it easier to compare:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
(click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.
I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such
work?
Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example:
"Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
house designs, from layout to aesthetics."
<https://openart.ai/generator/house>
More:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>
I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to
design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
think I could have produced something useful eventually.
Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
"Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
That produced this:
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
and this:
"add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
"brighten picture"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
"undo" followed by "brighten bicycle"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.
Notice what the AI though "downtube shifters" look like. Hardly
realistic and on the wrong tube. Similar problems with pedals and
headlight.
This is my first (and last) attempt to produce a run down
neighborhood, like in the original article. Amazingly similar,
methinks:
"draw a run down urban row of stores, with thick grass growing along
the sidewalk, some graffiti on the walls, and a trash bin in front of
one house" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.efcaba9c-45d8-48b2-96fc-7b4f953ac4ed.png>
Notice the similar sky compared to the original article.
"brighten the buildings" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.a3de4530-e4a6-40a0-8d13-8c22026c1f5b.png>
Starting to look familiar? I suspect such garbage will be quite
common, especially because it doesn't require signed photo release
forms.
I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN
but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the
forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.
The image purportedly from Youngstown has trash containers that don't
match the company that does the collection (Waste Management). There's
bright sunlight on one house, but no corresponding shadow from adjacent houses. The roofs of the houses are amazingly perfect, etc. etc.
As I said, the article contained not one bit of actual data. A young
hack journalist hit on an idea and picked a near-random set of cities to slag. I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such
work?
On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:26:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN >>but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the >>forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.
Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no >broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It >wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images
on one page makes it easier to compare: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
(click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.
I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such >>work?
Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example:
"Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
house designs, from layout to aesthetics." ><https://openart.ai/generator/house>
More: ><https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>
I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to >design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
think I could have produced something useful eventually.
Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
"Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
That produced this: ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
and this:
"add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
"brighten picture" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
"undo" followed by "brighten bicycle" ><https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.
Notice what the AI though "downtube shifters" look like. Hardly
realistic and on the wrong tube. Similar problems with pedals and
headlight.
This is my first (and last) attempt to produce a run down
neighborhood, like in the original article. Amazingly similar,
methinks:
"draw a run down urban row of stores, with thick grass growing along
the sidewalk, some graffiti on the walls, and a trash bin in front of
one house" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.efcaba9c-45d8-48b2-96fc-7b4f953ac4ed.png>
Notice the similar sky compared to the original article.
"brighten the buildings" <https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.a3de4530-e4a6-40a0-8d13-8c22026c1f5b.png>
Starting to look familiar? I suspect such garbage will be quite
common, especially because it doesn't require signed photo release
forms.
Most of those pictures look terribly fake.
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from
customer is a competent LBS? Is that a residential address
for freight billing?).
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest-listings
On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:42:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:26:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN >>>> but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the
forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.
Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no
broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It
wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images
on one page makes it easier to compare:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
(click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.
I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such >>>> work?
Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example:
"Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
house designs, from layout to aesthetics."
<https://openart.ai/generator/house>
More:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>
I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to
design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
think I could have produced something useful eventually.
Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
"Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
That produced this:
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
and this:
"add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
"brighten picture"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
"undo" followed by "brighten bicycle"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.
Notice what the AI though "downtube shifters" look like. Hardly
realistic and on the wrong tube. Similar problems with pedals and
headlight.
This is my first (and last) attempt to produce a run down
neighborhood, like in the original article. Amazingly similar,
methinks:
"draw a run down urban row of stores, with thick grass growing along
the sidewalk, some graffiti on the walls, and a trash bin in front of
one house"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.efcaba9c-45d8-48b2-96fc-7b4f953ac4ed.png>
Notice the similar sky compared to the original article.
"brighten the buildings"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.a3de4530-e4a6-40a0-8d13-8c22026c1f5b.png>
Starting to look familiar? I suspect such garbage will be quite
common, especially because it doesn't require signed photo release
forms.
Most of those pictures look terribly fake.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Mon May 5 12:59:49 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
brackets
- why is it only happening to you?
Becase you don't ride so nothing happens to you. You and Frank are alike andput in 5 miles a year.And then talk about riding as if you actually did it.
On Sun May 4 09:51:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.
On Sun, 4 May 2025 06:53:05 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and >>>>>>> it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test >>>>>>> program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be >>>>>>> more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta >>>>>>> features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>>>> that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>>>>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?
Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad >>>>> that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you >>>>> really proud.
Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.
Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay
me a lot of money to do it.
Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.
Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell >>> you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
bracket at the beginning also.
Yep. The angle brackets don't work as delimiters unless there is a
matched pair of angle brackets.
Secondly, any browser app will look at
the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and
extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
<https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/
<https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/
All those work as expected using Forte Agent. However, one of the
purposes of the angle brackets is to deal with spaces and special
characters in the middle of a URL. That's also the reason that online
news services replace spaces with "-" dash characters in the URL. For
example, trying to use double quotes to deal with blanks results in
non-functional URL's like these:
"https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the basics of time domain
reflectometry tdr"
https://www.hvtechnologies.com/"the basics of time domain
reflectometry tdr"
The angle brackets also prevent the spelling checker in Forte Agent
from attempting to spell check words in the URL. It will correctly
ignore spelling issues in anything that starts with http or https and
which is properly delimited by angle brackets. Without these, Forte
Agent will try to spell check everything after the first space in the
URL.
Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser
intsallation app.
Tom is not using a browser. There's no line in the header identifying
the software in any of his postings. For example:
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
is mising. Instead, he's probably using the news reader from his NNTP
service (Newshosting.com).
<https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader/>
Another indication that he's using their news reader is the mess it
makes dealing with upper/lower case replies such as:
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Disc's without power
And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
- it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the
brackets
- why is it only happening to you?
https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/
9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?
Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.
On Sun May 4 06:53:05 2025 zen cycle wrote:than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.
On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and >>>>>> it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test >>>>>> program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be >>>>>> more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta
program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta
features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>>> that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/> >>>>>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?
Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad >>>> that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you >>>> really proud.
Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.
Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay
me a lot of money to do it.
Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.
Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell
you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs
link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
bracket at the beginning also. Secondly, any browser app will look at
the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and
extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse
click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
<https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/> >>
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/
<https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/ >>
Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser
intsallation app.
And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
- it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the
brackets
- why is it only happening to you?
That's why Frank told us that he had to prepare to ride through Youngstown.
teach mechanical engineering rather than an MS. On a good day you prove over and over that you haven't a clue what your talking about.
Have you considered stgand up comedy? "Yes, I hold an important job. Ir's so important that my boss doesn't give a shit what I do."
On Tue May 6 06:18:07 2025 zen cycle wrote:
He does pretty well with that on his own.
Flunky, you've alreqdy told us that your boss doesn't give a shit what you do.
So the oinly thing you do is sign things.
With that sort of experience your ability to deduce things is questionable at best.
I have money and you don't.
I have spent around 50 years as an engineer. working for important companies and you're afraid to use your own name for fear that people will look you up on LinkedIn.
On Tue May 6 06:18:07 2025 zen cycle wrote:super accurate timing.
On 5/5/2025 10:17 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 05 May 2025 18:05:52 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
https://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html This was submitted to three cycling magazines who responded that they were trying to increase helmet use so wouldn't publish it.
It's their right to refuse to publish your article. You could scream
censorship, but if you're not running for political office, freedom of
speech doesn't apply. Free speech only restricts the government from
tossing your articles in the recycler.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech>
https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?
Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
Copyright Office. Have you done this?
<https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>
Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
legislation or an "opinion piece".
You stated that:
"I have written scientific studies and reports."
If you have written more than one, where are they?
I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.
You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
would have been de-classified by now.
I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL.
He didn't. If he did, he should be able to at least recall the subject
matter and summarize the abstract of the papers here - and as you note,
it would have been declassified long ago.
The time
span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009,
Correction - drunken driving accident. Tom may have had a bike accident,
but that wasn't the incident that was coincident with his two year gap.
I'm pretty convinced he did jail time for that since an arrest warrant
was issued for him for failure to appear for his drunk driving charge.
This would explain his lack of presence in forums as well as his
complaint that he had to sell all his bike stuff (to pay the fines).
you worked full time
during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
required considerable editorial assistance.
I worked for LBRL as well.
That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
your online resume:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
including post graduate students.
I also note he claims to have this "extreme high voltage experience" yet
nothing in his resume show that experience. Then too he claims they
needed "super accurate timing". If they were interested in critical
timing measurements, I think it's safe to assume that anyone with
tommy's alleged credentials wouldn't have a much of a learning curve to
be able to contribute (because a recent college graduate is more
desirable for critical control systems than a season profession in the
specific area of expertise...lol).
For all intents and purposes, the statement "I had been hired there for
my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very
high voltage and super accurate timing" is just more self-aggrandizing
bullshit. He may have gotten an interview because of the embellishments
on his resume (spelling and factual errors therein notwithstanding) but
he never actually worked at NASA, LLRL, LBNL, or Analog Devices.
05/27/2024
Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]>
<https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
investments." etc...
Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.
Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.
Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?
Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of
yourself.
He does pretty well with that on his own.
Gee, I have recommendations from prominent managers and scientists.
You have nothing at all.
Isn't that surprising.
On Mon May 5 19:17:36 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:super accurate timing.
https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?
Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
Copyright Office. Have you done this?
<https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>
Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
legislation or an "opinion piece".
You stated that:
"I have written scientific studies and reports."
If you have written more than one, where are they?
I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.
You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
would have been de-classified by now.
I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL. The time
span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009, you worked full time
during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
required considerable editorial assistance.
I worked for LBRL as well.
That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
your online resume:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
including post graduate students.
05/27/2024
Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]>
<https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
investments." etc...
Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.
Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.
Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?
Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of
yourself.
You didn't answer my question, was your mother's health impaired when she was pregnant with you? There is certainly something wrong with a person that took 6 years to get a 4 year degree and was never able to work above the levewl of technician.
Have you ever simply stepped back and observed the course of your life?
On Mon May 12 05:47:55 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Most of those pictures look terribly fake.
You couldn't possibly believe articles like that could you? But the general gist is currect. It was a town founded on coal and steel which is no more so Youngstown has no reason to exist.
Message-ID: <XJaUP.210243$[email protected]>(...)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 23:51:19 UTC
https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/
9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?
Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- listings
When was the last time you were in Youngstown, Liebermann?
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over
a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:42:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2025 23:26:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2025 01:19:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
I think Jeff's right. The notion of cars parked at the curb in Gary, IN >>>> but surrounded by forests of green weeds is pretty weird. So are the >>>> forests of weeds growing through pavement in other images.
Yes. What immediately caught my attention was how similar almost all
of the 50 houses were. Similar sky, similar weeds, similar debris, no >>> broken or boarded windows, almost identical road types, and so on. It >>> wasn't obvious just looking at one image, but after skimming all of
them, the commonality is disturbingly obvious. Putting all the images >>> on one page makes it easier to compare:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fmoneyinc.com%2F50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s%&udm=2>
(click on "see more anyway" at bottom page). Some of the buildings
look like they were made from the same cookie cutter template.
I do wonder how she got the fake images. I doubt a hack journalist
would do them herself. Are there people one can hire cheaply to do such >>>> work?
Yes. She designed them using one of several AI engines. For example: >>>
"Design your dream home with our AI House Generator! Create detailed
house designs, from layout to aesthetics."
<https://openart.ai/generator/house>
More:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=how%20to%20design%20a%20house%20with%20AI&udm=7>
I spent some time with several generative AI "drawing" tools trying to >>> design a realistic bicycle. I got futuristic bicycles instead, but I
think I could have produced something useful eventually.
Go to Microsoft Edge browser and Copilot. Ask the AI to:
"Draw a bicycle with the latest technology"
That produced this:
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.8f0b7f05-233b-4d83-951b-d4aef1694ac7.png>
and this:
"add pedals, headlight, and downtube shifter"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.f5db522a-f193-4184-be10-b29fb87b45de.png>
The image is too dark, so I made it brighter:
"brighten picture"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.aaa0ff44-6c47-4e2c-89f0-5cce70f64c9d.png>
Oops, I should have said "brighten bicycle":
"undo" followed by "brighten bicycle"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.9b98ddfe-2a4d-4b90-ab26-28627ae37a09.png>
Also wrong, but I think you get the idea.
Notice what the AI though "downtube shifters" look like. Hardly
realistic and on the wrong tube. Similar problems with pedals and
headlight.
This is my first (and last) attempt to produce a run down
neighborhood, like in the original article. Amazingly similar,
methinks:
"draw a run down urban row of stores, with thick grass growing along
the sidewalk, some graffiti on the walls, and a trash bin in front of
one house"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.efcaba9c-45d8-48b2-96fc-7b4f953ac4ed.png>
Notice the similar sky compared to the original article.
"brighten the buildings"
<https://bing.com/th/id/BCO.a3de4530-e4a6-40a0-8d13-8c22026c1f5b.png>
Starting to look familiar? I suspect such garbage will be quite
common, especially because it doesn't require signed photo release
forms.
Most of those pictures look terribly fake.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
They are! AI while a useful tool tends to be copy/paste so textures etc are uniform, see also fake images of various famous people.
Ok I used to be into photography but to my eyes it?s very obvious!
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>> listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over
a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>> listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over
a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
On Mon May 12 11:53:05 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:than proof that they are wi8lling to lie at the drop of a hat.
On 5/11/2025 7:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun May 4 09:51:50 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 06:53:05 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 10:56 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:35:11 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 1:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 19:42:05 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 01 May 2025 21:47:55 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Now it is possible that the manaqement software had a problem and it didn't ask me to update. But then the updating dates are all wrong. It does not show me as updating the 830 firmware in March 30, 2025.
Well, since you're an official beta tester, you should bug report the >>>>>>>>> non-appearance of your update problem to Garmin.
What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer (though they haven't asked me about it). That means that MY software is NOT the last Garmin update at all but a newer version
No such thing as a beta tester masquerading as a test engineer and >>>>>>>>> it's not YOUR software.
Perhaps it would help if you read something about how the beta test >>>>>>>>> program actually works. Then, you can adjust your assertions to be >>>>>>>>> more aligned with reality:
Garmin's New Beta Platform Explained & How-To Sign-Up
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2fvIMbEo8> (6:44) (May 24, 2022) >>>>>>>>> "Over the last few weeks Garmin has been rolling out a new beta >>>>>>>>> program, which aims to streamline the process of trying out beta >>>>>>>>> features, while also making it easier to file bug reports for issues >>>>>>>>> that you find."
Introducing the new Public Beta Program
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/312916/introducing-the-new-public-beta-program>
How to enroll for Public Beta Program:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/w/beta-wiki/112/how-to-enroll-for-public-beta-program>
Public Beta Reports:
<https://forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-530-830-1030-series/beta/>
Jeff, you really get tiresome. I'm sure that Flunky and Krygowski will say that those addresses work fine for them when they do not and cannot since they have a trailing ">" that changes the address to something that does not exist. Nothing more
You simply cannot stop yourself from talking about everything you know noyhing about. Does itreally make you feel that good being a fool?
Considering the fact that you fucked up you browser installation so bad >>>>>>> that it can't follow links that work for everyone else should make you >>>>>>> really proud.
Considering the fact that you work for people that don't give a damn what you do as long as you sign the paperwork tells us just how important your job is.
Important enough for them to keep me on for over ten years now and pay >>>>> me a lot of money to do it.
Tell us again how appending a ">" to the end of an adess makes it the same address? You claim to be an EE who can program should have no problem answering that.
Considering I haven't explained it to you yet I wouldn't be able to tell >>>>> you 'again', but the answer is simple - it doesn't. First off, Jeffs >>>>> link didn't simply put a angle bracket at the end, it put an angle
bracket at the beginning also.
Yep. The angle brackets don't work as delimiters unless there is a
matched pair of angle brackets.
Secondly, any browser app will look at
the link and exclude the common characters like brackets or quotes and >>>>> extract the link. All of these examples will work with a simple mouse >>>>> click (possible a crtl+click in some mail apps)
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
<https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/"
https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/]
https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/>
"https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
[https://byjus.com/physics/pulse-width-modulation/
<https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the-basics-of-time-domain-reflectometry-tdr/
All those work as expected using Forte Agent. However, one of the
purposes of the angle brackets is to deal with spaces and special
characters in the middle of a URL. That's also the reason that online >>>> news services replace spaces with "-" dash characters in the URL. For >>>> example, trying to use double quotes to deal with blanks results in
non-functional URL's like these:
"https://www.hvtechnologies.com/the basics of time domain
reflectometry tdr"
https://www.hvtechnologies.com/"the basics of time domain
reflectometry tdr"
The angle brackets also prevent the spelling checker in Forte Agent
from attempting to spell check words in the URL. It will correctly
ignore spelling issues in anything that starts with http or https and
which is properly delimited by angle brackets. Without these, Forte
Agent will try to spell check everything after the first space in the
URL.
Unless you're tommy who somehow managed to fuck up a default browser >>>>> intsallation app.
Tom is not using a browser. There's no line in the header identifying >>>> the software in any of his postings. For example:
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
is mising. Instead, he's probably using the news reader from his NNTP >>>> service (Newshosting.com).
<https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader/>
Another indication that he's using their news reader is the mess it
makes dealing with upper/lower case replies such as:
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Disc's without power
And even if it is somehow screwing up the address:
- it should be simple enough for you to copy the link and remove the >>>>> brackets
- why is it only happening to you?
https://moneyinc.com/50-worst-places-to-live-in-the-u-s/
9th worst place to live in America - Youngstown, OH. Maybe you forget Frank getting his armer on to ride through Youngstown?
Pictures like that don't really tell a story and it is entirely opinion.
Yes, you linked an opinion piece. Here's a fact-based pace
https://businessjournaldaily.com/youngstown-ranked-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-live-in-the-us/
Another person who cannot read. Does illiteracy run in your family. Or do you just like the feel of Polish ass on your lips?
On Mon May 12 12:16:54 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:super accurate timing.
On 5/11/2025 12:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 5 19:17:36 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?
Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
Copyright Office. Have you done this?
<https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>
Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I
need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
legislation or an "opinion piece".
You stated that:
"I have written scientific studies and reports."
If you have written more than one, where are they?
I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.
You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
would have been de-classified by now.
I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL. The time
span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009, you worked full time
during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
required considerable editorial assistance.
I worked for LBRL as well.
That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
your online resume:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
including post graduate students.
05/27/2024
Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]>
<https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even
keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
investments." etc...
Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.
Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.
Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?
Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of
yourself.
You didn't answer my question, was your mother's health impaired when she was pregnant with you? There is certainly something wrong with a person that took 6 years to get a 4 year degree and was never able to work above the levewl of technician.
Have you ever simply stepped back and observed the course of your life?
Have you ever simply stepped back and observed how your alcoholism has
affected your life and those around you?
How getting arrested for drunk driving and failure to appear led to
financial collapse that you never recovered from to the point where you
can't afford simple vacations?
Seems to me that your impotence and alcoholism were directly affected by
your mother and fathers alcohol problems. Maybe that's why you're so
obsessed with Jeffs alleged issues, because your life is such a fucking
train wreck that your so desperate to find someone who is worse off than
you that you're willing to make up lies about them.
You really are a loathesome piece of trash.
But I am enough of a man not to hide behind ananymity while you use that and distance to create your own universe. Exactly why is it again that you don't take a job where you can make real money?
On Mon May 12 14:48:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>>>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>>>> listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>> a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
Two ways that seems odd:
First, I'm currently in The Golden State. Nice weather and scenery, but
lots of density and traffic. Most people here seem quite content. I
don't see people rushing to get away.
Second, I like where I live quite a lot, so I have no plans to move.
You, Tom, routinely complain about living in a hell hole that's been
"destroyed," even while bragging about being wealthy.
Why continue living in your misery? Move! Or at least, quit whining.
I am not in misery.
On 5/12/2025 6:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>>>>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?). >>>>>>
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>>>>> listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>>> a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....
Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis. Tell us more about your wealth.
Good grief, Tom! You were complaining about California's economy, not
that of the entire U.S.
As Zen pointed out, California's _state_ economy has grown to surpass
the _national_ economy of Japan. That's evidence that your economic
whining is false.
California's economy was never the largest in the world. You're
"thinking" (loosely speaking) of the U.S. as a whole, which is still #1.
IOW you're confused yet again, confusing U.S. and California data.
Get help. Hire some teenager to explain things to you - things like >economics, history, bike mechanics, computer use, spelling, etc. etc.
On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>>>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>>>> listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>> a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....
Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis. Tell us more about your wealth.
On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >> >>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >> >>> listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller
than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >> >> a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....
Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis. Tell us more about your wealth.
On Mon May 12 12:05:58 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/11/2025 12:50 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue May 6 06:18:07 2025 zen cycle wrote:
He does pretty well with that on his own.
Flunky, you've alreqdy told us that your boss doesn't give a shit what you do.
I did? Where did I write that?
So the oinly thing you do is sign things.
It's not surprising someone like you would make an absurd assumption
like that.
With that sort of experience your ability to deduce things is questionable at best.
I think my logic stands up to yours quite well, mr "i rode a dent out of
my top tube".
I have money and you don't.
Liar
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/hicB2nXjlr4/m/G2axqs0k_IwJ >>
Aug 9, 2013, 11:11:36?AM, [email protected] wrote:
"Trouble is that while I was out of it I sold or gave away almost my
entire bicycle collection. And all of my wardrobe and most of my tools!
And now on Social Security I have to VERY slowly make it up."
I have spent around 50 years as an engineer. working for important companies and you're afraid to use your own name for fear that people will look you up on LinkedIn.
I get daily notifications from Linked about people who have looked me
up. It tommy world those are "job offers".
Thanks for reminding us of all of the people that you, Liebermann and Krygowski chased away.
On Mon May 12 12:16:54 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:super accurate timing.
On 5/11/2025 12:42 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 5 19:17:36 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
https://sheldonbrown.com/kunich.html This article was copyrighted so why is it that you couldn't find it?
Having a copyright means you have registered the work with the US
Copyright Office. Have you done this?
<https://www.copyright.gov/registration/>
Please tell me that your article was a "scientific study or report". I >>>> need the entertainment. At best, it's a summary of existing
legislation or an "opinion piece".
You stated that:
"I have written scientific studies and reports."
If you have written more than one, where are they?
I also wrote papers for NASA and LLRL. But they were classsified.
You were in the USAF in the early 1960's. That's about 60 years ago.
If you had done some classified research during the 1960's, it surely
would have been de-classified by now.
I don't believe you wrote anything for NASA, LLRL and LBRL. The time
span when you were likely to have done any writing for them overlaps
your work history (Jan 1984 to Sept 2014). Other than a gap to
recover from a bicycle accident in late 2009, you worked full time
during this period. You would not have had sufficient time to write
and publish a proper scientific or technical paper. Also, judging by
your writing skills exhibited in rec.bicycles.tech, you would have
required considerable editorial assistance.
I worked for LBRL as well.
That should be LBNL, not LBRL. To bad I don't find NASA, LLRL, LBNL,
Analog Devices, and a few others places you claim to have worked, on
your online resume:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
And could have published papers on their accelerator but decided that turning my job over to post grads was a better idea because I had been hired there for my extreme high voltage experience and what they really needed was very high voltage and
Baloney. You hate anyone and everyone with a degree, probably
including post graduate students.
05/27/2024
Message-ID: <xl65O.105327$[email protected]>
<https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/KYEeykBo/riding-after-heavy-manual-labor#postXX>
(need to update post number)
"...if I weren't there the chief instruments for finding the cause of
AIDS would have never been obtained as early as it was. I had SIX
degreed engineers, 3 EE's and 3 IT programmers fail to be able to even >>>> keep up with me and the investors in those companies lost their
investments." etc...
Not to mention that the accelerator was a VERY borring project. Measuring the charge delay in a length of wire is hardly high technology.
Electrical charge does not move and therefore does not have a delay.
The only charge that has a delay are my credit (charge) card billing.
Rather than continuou tears why don't you ever have som4ething about bicycles to comment on?
Because it's more fun and more interesting to help you make a fool of
yourself.
You didn't answer my question, was your mother's health impaired when she was pregnant with you? There is certainly something wrong with a person that took 6 years to get a 4 year degree and was never able to work above the levewl of technician.
Have you ever simply stepped back and observed the course of your life?
Have you ever simply stepped back and observed how your alcoholism has
affected your life and those around you?
How getting arrested for drunk driving and failure to appear led to
financial collapse that you never recovered from to the point where you
can't afford simple vacations?
Seems to me that your impotence and alcoholism were directly affected by
your mother and fathers alcohol problems. Maybe that's why you're so
obsessed with Jeffs alleged issues, because your life is such a fucking
train wreck that your so desperate to find someone who is worse off than
you that you're willing to make up lies about them.
You really are a loathesome piece of trash.
But I am enough of a man not to hide behind ananymity while you use that and distance to create your own universe.
Exactly why is it again that you don't take a job where you can make real money?
On Mon, 12 May 2025 22:40:56 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>>>>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?). >>>>>>
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>>>>> listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>>> a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....
Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis. Tell us more about your wealth.
Apples and oranges with a topping of baloney. For 2024, New York, Massachusetts and Washington state had higher GDP (gross domestic
product) numbers than California: <https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/1hgdfhx/the_ten_us_states_with_the_highest_gdp_per_capita/#lightbox>
Comparing states to countries:
"List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita> Using the World Bank numbers, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg,
Bermuda, Ireland, Switzerland, Cayman Islands, Isle of Man, Norway and Singapore all had higher GDP numbers than USA.
That was a good example of why we don't compare apples and oranges.
On Mon May 12 14:53:25 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a >>>>> competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?).
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest- >>>>> listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>> a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
Destroyed enough to overtake Japan as the worlds 4th largest economy....
Psst - we used to be the largest economy in the world on a per capita basis.
Tell us more about your wealth.
On Mon May 12 11:51:20 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/11/2025 2:08 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 5 12:59:49 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
brackets
- why is it only happening to you?
Becase you don't ride so nothing happens to you. You and Frank are alike andput in 5 miles a year.And then talk about riding as if you actually did it.
Sure sparky..Internet links work for us because we don't ride bikes.
There's some kunich-logic if I ever heard it.
That point notwithstanding....
https://www.strava.com/athletes/16053273
2025:
Activities - 34
Distance - 709.4 mi
Elev Gain - 39,112 ft
Time - 39h 28m (Avg speed ~ 21)
2024:
Activities - 126
Distance - 2,847.1 mi
Elev Gain - 160,297 ft
Time - 165h 18m (avg speed ~17 mph)
So that gives you bragging rights to what exactly? A third of the mileage I had in 2021 and a sixth of the climbing?
Despite having a stroke I have put 158 in more miles than you and 15,000 feet less than you and that despite our hill roads being repair less than a month.
And considering that amount of climbing I don't believe that riding time or average speed for one second.
I think thst you throw the bike on the car, Turn your Garmin or whatever on, drive to the start of your group ride, do the ride and then drive home and turn your Garmin off and log your ride.
There is no way on Earth that a man who finishes 5 minutes behind the Cat 3 winner can average half that speed.
On 5/12/2025 6:37 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:48:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a
competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?). >>>>>
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest-
listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>> a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
Two ways that seems odd:
First, I'm currently in The Golden State. Nice weather and scenery, but
lots of density and traffic. Most people here seem quite content. I
don't see people rushing to get away.
Second, I like where I live quite a lot, so I have no plans to move.
You, Tom, routinely complain about living in a hell hole that's been
"destroyed," even while bragging about being wealthy.
Why continue living in your misery? Move! Or at least, quit whining.
I am not in misery.
Yet you complain FAR more than anyone else here!
On Mon May 12 19:34:24 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 6:37 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:48:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a
competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?). >>>>>>>
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest-
listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>>>> a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
Two ways that seems odd:
First, I'm currently in The Golden State. Nice weather and scenery, but >>>> lots of density and traffic. Most people here seem quite content. I
don't see people rushing to get away.
Second, I like where I live quite a lot, so I have no plans to move.
You, Tom, routinely complain about living in a hell hole that's been
"destroyed," even while bragging about being wealthy.
Why continue living in your misery? Move! Or at least, quit whining.
I am not in misery.
Yet you complain FAR more than anyone else here!
I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and Flunky try and gang up on me?
Just think of the glory you two would have if you could give me a black eye!
I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you two would have if you could give me a black eye!
On Mon May 12 19:34:24 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 6:37 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:48:29 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 2:40 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon May 12 14:05:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/12/2025 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
AI for that's pathetic.
I use the various realty web sites regularly (how far from customer is a
competent LBS? Is that a residential address for freight billing?). >>>>>>>
Mr Krygowski's neighborhood for example:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Poland_OH/show-newest-
listings
I'm currently vacationing in an area where Zillow shows houses smaller >>>>>> than mine, on lots maybe one quarter the size of mine, estimated at over >>>>>> a million dollars.
I prefer where I live, thanks.
Liebermann and Flunky both prefer to live where they do. So what? The Golden State has been destroyed by the Democrats and if they said that if elected they would execute you, you would be the first one at the polls to elect them.
Two ways that seems odd:
First, I'm currently in The Golden State. Nice weather and scenery, but >>>> lots of density and traffic. Most people here seem quite content. I
don't see people rushing to get away.
Second, I like where I live quite a lot, so I have no plans to move.
You, Tom, routinely complain about living in a hell hole that's been
"destroyed," even while bragging about being wealthy.
Why continue living in your misery? Move! Or at least, quit whining.
I am not in misery.
Yet you complain FAR more than anyone else here!
I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers.
On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:52:22 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you two would have if you could give me a black eye!
Added to the ever growing list of Tom's threats of violence.
09/14/2022 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/KvIpVSj1RiQ/m/564R3TRrAQAJ> >"Assassination is an entirely different matter. Public officials must
be out in the public so killing them is fairly easy. Not one of those
armored limos could sustain an antitank weapon. And with Biden pouring >thousands of them into the Ukraine one of them could easily go
missing. Wouldn't be justice if someone put an antitank rocket into
Biden's car?"
07/10/2023 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QM7CD5zO3hc/m/yH9adNniAgAJ> >"No worries, Liebermann will continue teaching others why Jews were
stuck in ovens during that unfortunate time in German history."
07/23/2023 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/kOeFYBo9BgAJ> >"I don't believe in 500 meter kill shots. I believe in walking right
up to you and breaking your neck. I know just how to do it so that it
won't kill you, just paralyze you and put you in a wheelchair for the
rest of your life. But you could use friction shifters on it and rim
brakes."
10/04/2023 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/CwbxyLGleUc/m/5zn_DqgrAwAJ> >"Jeff is not a nice person and a perfect example of why Jews were
hated in all of Europe. Most were OK but enough of them were like
Liebermann, that worthless POS that Hitler didn't have to work hard to >condemn them all to death."
02/13/2024 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Iu7QOrGj8UQ/m/E0YPeMHhAAAJ> >"Liebermann should be punched as should Flunky. I know where
Lievermann lives and haven't punched him yet since he doesn't even
know that he is dying from this vaccinations. Flunky is a loud mouth
that would run and hide from me. So a threat is just a threat and not
an action."
02/20/2024 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/lQ1CbekCAQAJ> >"now that you've given us youe name and where your house is that I
should fly out and kick your ass for ten or fifteen minutes?"
09/10/2024 ><https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/8FpQ9PSy/speed-sensor#post29>
"If you were within arms reach you would never again be able to use
your arms."
09/16/2024 ><https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/RxazhfgM/machine-shop#post58>
"In person yopu would spend the rest of your life in emergency care
ward and you know it. Your cowaedice is second only to Flunky."
Tom... Insufficient attention again? Looks like your threats of
violence aren't working. So now, you're inviting abuse and offering
to act as a victim. It's a change, but not necessarily an
improvement. Try hitting your reflection in a mirror and see if that
helps.
05/13/2025
Message-ID: <GxMUP.67935$[email protected]> ><https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125834&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125834>
"I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are >engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and
Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you
have if you could give me a black eye!"
On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:57:53 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:52:22 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you two would have if you could give me a black eye!
Added to the ever growing list of Tom's threats of violence.
09/14/2022 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/KvIpVSj1RiQ/m/564R3TRrAQAJ> >>"Assassination is an entirely different matter. Public officials must
be out in the public so killing them is fairly easy. Not one of those >>armored limos could sustain an antitank weapon. And with Biden pouring >>thousands of them into the Ukraine one of them could easily go
missing. Wouldn't be justice if someone put an antitank rocket into
Biden's car?"
07/10/2023 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QM7CD5zO3hc/m/yH9adNniAgAJ> >>"No worries, Liebermann will continue teaching others why Jews were
stuck in ovens during that unfortunate time in German history."
07/23/2023 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Zu_BtGgv8Fs/m/kOeFYBo9BgAJ> >>"I don't believe in 500 meter kill shots. I believe in walking right
up to you and breaking your neck. I know just how to do it so that it
won't kill you, just paralyze you and put you in a wheelchair for the
rest of your life. But you could use friction shifters on it and rim >>brakes."
10/04/2023 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/CwbxyLGleUc/m/5zn_DqgrAwAJ> >>"Jeff is not a nice person and a perfect example of why Jews were
hated in all of Europe. Most were OK but enough of them were like >>Liebermann, that worthless POS that Hitler didn't have to work hard to >>condemn them all to death."
02/13/2024 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Iu7QOrGj8UQ/m/E0YPeMHhAAAJ> >>"Liebermann should be punched as should Flunky. I know where
Lievermann lives and haven't punched him yet since he doesn't even
know that he is dying from this vaccinations. Flunky is a loud mouth
that would run and hide from me. So a threat is just a threat and not
an action."
02/20/2024 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/6t1qDqyJtsk/m/lQ1CbekCAQAJ> >>"now that you've given us youe name and where your house is that I
should fly out and kick your ass for ten or fifteen minutes?"
09/10/2024 >><https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/8FpQ9PSy/speed-sensor#post29>
"If you were within arms reach you would never again be able to use
your arms."
09/16/2024 >><https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/RxazhfgM/machine-shop#post58>
"In person yopu would spend the rest of your life in emergency care
ward and you know it. Your cowaedice is second only to Flunky."
Tom... Insufficient attention again? Looks like your threats of
violence aren't working. So now, you're inviting abuse and offering
to act as a victim. It's a change, but not necessarily an
improvement. Try hitting your reflection in a mirror and see if that >>helps.
05/13/2025
Message-ID: <GxMUP.67935$[email protected]> >><https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=125834&group=rec.bicycles.tech#125834>
"I complain that people like you are allowed to pretend that they are >>engineers. And if you don't like my complaining why don't you and
Flunky try and gang up on me? Just think of the glory you
have if you could give me a black eye!"
Given Tom's ultra million doller bank account one can only wonder
why he doesn't buy a monthly air ticket - coast to coast and return -
and make a trip monthly to sort all those that "bad mouth" him.
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun May 4 10:29:14 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:46 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:32:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 12:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 18:30:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
lol...first off, dumbass, when you join a beta test program it doesn't
make you a test engineer, it makes you a guinea pig.
Secondly, Even Betaware has version update topology.
third, you "apparently" joined the beta program? You don't remember >>>>>>> doing it? Then you complain loudly in here that you were getting updates
with no change in the displayed version?
Fucking half-wit.>
I'm surprised that you didn't tell us how you're so important to your >>>>>> company thst they couldn't care less what you do with your time.
Why would I?
Perhaps you'd like to quote where I said that I was a "test engineer"? >>>>>> I said I was a beta tester which is something completely different, >>>>>> not that you would know.
You wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I >>>>> have the BETA software as a test engineer"
You also selectively and dishonestly snipped that from your response, >>>>> you lying piece of shit.>
You, like Liebermann, are just another zero in a world of useful people.
If they had a Beta designation why would my software have the standard version number?
Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases may or >>>>> may not have a special designation. If you were a real engineer you >>>>> would know this.
All that means is the programmers never thought to append an {A} onto the version.
Yeah, because a company like Garmin is so lax in their PLM processes >>>>> that they don't check to see if the engineers are properly tracking >>>>> software versions - gawd you're fucking braindead.
When you act like a clown, expect to be treated like one.
Right back atcha, skippy.
I do know this,
No, you don't. Maybe in your lame excuse for a career someone told you >>> that a test engineer is an end-user in a beta program, but that carries >>> about as much truth as PWM being used to test cables.
so why are you claiming that Garmin isn't using beta testers as free test engineers?
Because they aren't. A beta user is _not_ a test engineer. Beta users
provide feedback to the development team, they don't perform root cause >>> failure analysis, or debug functions, or fault injection testing.
Why do you come out with these idiotic word salads like Kamala Harris? >>>You man like when you wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta
software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer" then
wrote you ne ver claimed you were a test engineer?
What is "Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases >>>> may or may not have a special designation." supposed to mean?
Exactly what is says.
A beta release is ALWAYS supposed to have a special designation! Garmin >>>> made a mistake. And you can't even guess why.
It may not have a noticeable designation to the end-user, IOW it might >>> not have the characters 'beta' in the topology. Garmin didn't make a
mistake. You're simply being a clueless asshole, as usual.
Poor little Flunky is so lost.
Like a guy who thinks being in a beta program for a consumer product
makes him a test engineer?
To the best of my knowledge the beta software for the edge 830 also hasn?t >> had an update in years not unsurprisingly as it?s now a generation behind >> and isn?t sold anymore.
Welol, you're quite corre3ct that the Edge 830 is behind but so it the
840. Garmin has been searching for a popular product for a long time and they appear to have made it with the watch health line so I expect the
Edge line to all but disappear and have no real support, but the beta release is still better than the main software.
840 is current as of today, and Garmin has the XX40 and XX50 ranges
starting to get to the point that the 850/550 might well get released
though the older models tend to get sold for year or so before
discontinued.
If the beta version had some improvements it would have been rolled into
the stable release few years ago during the last update for both.
On Wed May 7 22:55:11 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun May 4 10:29:14 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:840 is current as of today, and Garmin has the XX40 and XX50 ranges
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/3/2025 5:46 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri May 2 14:32:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 5/2/2025 12:05 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu May 1 18:30:30 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:Why would I?
lol...first off, dumbass, when you join a beta test program it doesn't
make you a test engineer, it makes you a guinea pig.
Secondly, Even Betaware has version update topology.
third, you "apparently" joined the beta program? You don't remember >>>>>>>>> doing it? Then you complain loudly in here that you were getting updates
with no change in the displayed version?
Fucking half-wit.>
I'm surprised that you didn't tell us how you're so important to your >>>>>>>> company thst they couldn't care less what you do with your time. >>>>>>>
Perhaps you'd like to quote where I said that I was a "test engineer"? >>>>>>>> I said I was a beta tester which is something completely different, >>>>>>>> not that you would know.
You wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta software tester so I >>>>>>> have the BETA software as a test engineer"
You also selectively and dishonestly snipped that from your response, >>>>>>> you lying piece of shit.>
You, like Liebermann, are just another zero in a world of useful people.
If they had a Beta designation why would my software have the standard version number?
Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases may or >>>>>>> may not have a special designation. If you were a real engineer you >>>>>>> would know this.
All that means is the programmers never thought to append an {A} onto the version.
Yeah, because a company like Garmin is so lax in their PLM processes >>>>>>> that they don't check to see if the engineers are properly tracking >>>>>>> software versions - gawd you're fucking braindead.
When you act like a clown, expect to be treated like one.
Right back atcha, skippy.
I do know this,
No, you don't. Maybe in your lame excuse for a career someone told you >>>>> that a test engineer is an end-user in a beta program, but that carries >>>>> about as much truth as PWM being used to test cables.
so why are you claiming that Garmin isn't using beta testers as free test engineers?
Because they aren't. A beta user is _not_ a test engineer. Beta users >>>>> provide feedback to the development team, they don't perform root cause >>>>> failure analysis, or debug functions, or fault injection testing.
Why do you come out with these idiotic word salads like Kamala Harris? >>>>>You man like when you wrote "What it DOES show is that I am a beta
software tester so I have the BETA software as a test engineer" then >>>>> wrote you ne ver claimed you were a test engineer?
What is "Release topologies vary from company to company. Beta releases >>>>>> may or may not have a special designation." supposed to mean?
Exactly what is says.
A beta release is ALWAYS supposed to have a special designation! Garmin >>>>>> made a mistake. And you can't even guess why.
It may not have a noticeable designation to the end-user, IOW it might >>>>> not have the characters 'beta' in the topology. Garmin didn't make a >>>>> mistake. You're simply being a clueless asshole, as usual.
Poor little Flunky is so lost.
Like a guy who thinks being in a beta program for a consumer product >>>>> makes him a test engineer?
To the best of my knowledge the beta software for the edge 830 also hasn?t >>>> had an update in years not unsurprisingly as it?s now a generation behind >>>> and isn?t sold anymore.
Welol, you're quite corre3ct that the Edge 830 is behind but so it the
840. Garmin has been searching for a popular product for a long time and >>> they appear to have made it with the watch health line so I expect the
Edge line to all but disappear and have no real support, but the beta
release is still better than the main software.
starting to get to the point that the 850/550 might well get released
though the older models tend to get sold for year or so before
discontinued.
If the beta version had some improvements it would have been rolled into
the stable release few years ago during the last update for both.
Roger, what you say makes sense but I don't think you've ever worked in the business. In order to make proper releases you have to have qualified programmers. The watch line is now getting so popular that all of their IT people are focusing on whatappears to be their gold mine. That Beta Release for the edge looks to be years old and hasn't been released. That isn't because of any serious bugs since the only bug I've seen is that average speed changes too rapidly but the final speed is the proper
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