One of the things that has really puzzled me is the reaction of Liebermann and Flunky to my simoply saying that I read out aoll of the nun-fiction books in three libraries.this to 2.
What in heavens name would be unusual or unlikely about that?
While listening to Victor David Hansen Hoover Fellow at Stanford, said the reason. While he was teaching literacy, he started out with assigning 6 books starting with the Iliad and the Odyssy to his student and was by the late 60's forced to reduce
Much to his surprise rather than reading at the normal 180 words per minute, students were struggling with 40 or 50 wpm and they couldn't understand half of the words expected of a high school student, let alone a college student.them. We did not see this sort of disbelief from John or Andrew. We are of an age that we were expected to be able to read. While they may not be as highly read on every subject, every few days, Andrew or John will post something referring to books that
Suddenly that rang a bell: the reason that Flunky and Liebermann and to a lesser extend Krygowski found this unbelievable is because they are nearly illiterate. They simply cannot believe that someone would voluntarily read, when it is so difficult for
While it is true that I didn't read more current books such as those aqssigned in writing or literacy coures, that was because it was entirely outside of my areas of interest. Liebermann at least has the excuse that English is his second language. Butwhat excuse other than illiteracy would Flunky have? Or while misspelling when you have trouble seeing the screen means that my touch typing is shitty, why would spelling be so important to Frank if he didn't have such a microscopic vocabular?
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish. Roger well read in English. Rolf in German. these people did not comment on myh reading volume. While it may not have been what they might do, they did not find itunusual.
The reason for this is tha American Teacher's Union. When questioned, my wife who herself taught reading and writing admitted that there had been a large drop in the literacy of teachers with the recognition of the Teacher's Union. During the pandemic,in THREE weeks, she taught her grandsons reading well enough to go from 2 years behind their grade level to 2 years ahead. That doesn't say a lot for people in Teacher's Unions.
On 4/9/2025 10:31 AM, cyclintom wrote:
One of the things that has really puzzled me is the reaction of
Liebermann and Flunky to my simoply saying that I read out aoll of the
nun-fiction books in three libraries.
What in heavens name would be unusual or unlikely about that?
While listening to Victor David Hansen Hoover Fellow at Stanford, said
the reason. While he was teaching literacy, he started out with
assigning 6 books starting with the Iliad and the Odyssy to his
student and was by the late 60's forced to reduce this to 2.
Much to his surprise rather than reading at the normal 180 words per
minute, students were struggling with 40 or 50 wpm and they couldn't
understand half of the words expected of a high school student, let
alone a college student.
Suddenly that rang a bell: the reason that Flunky and Liebermann and
to a lesser extend Krygowski found this unbelievable is because they
are nearly illiterate. They simply cannot believe that someone would
voluntarily read, when it is so difficult for them. We did not see
this sort of disbelief from John or Andrew. We are of an age that we
were expected to be able to read. While they may not be as highly read
on every subject, every few days, Andrew or John will post something
referring to books that the other three either have never heard of or
only heard the title in passing. In our day MOST high school students
were assigned the Iliad and/or The Odyssy.
While it is true that I didn't read more current books such as those
aqssigned in writing or literacy coures, that was because it was
entirely outside of my areas of interest. Liebermann at least has the
excuse that English is his second language. But what excuse other than
illiteracy would Flunky have? Or while misspelling when you have
trouble seeing the screen means that my touch typing is shitty, why
would spelling be so important to Frank if he didn't have such a
microscopic vocabular?
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well
read in Spanish. Roger well read in English. Rolf in German. these
people did not comment on myh reading volume. While it may not have
been what they might do, they did not find it unusual.
The reason for this is tha American Teacher's Union. When questioned,
my wife who herself taught reading and writing admitted that there had
been a large drop in the literacy of teachers with the recognition of
the Teacher's Union. During the pandemic, in THREE weeks, she taught
her grandsons reading well enough to go from 2 years behind their
grade level to 2 years ahead. That doesn't say a lot for people in
Teacher's Unions.
Mr Hansen was a professor of Classics at Stanford, not a remedial
reading teacher.
On 4/9/2025 12:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2025 10:31 AM, cyclintom wrote:
One of the things that has really puzzled me is the
reaction of Liebermann and Flunky to my simoply saying
that I read out aoll of the nun-fiction books in three
libraries.
What in heavens name would be unusual or unlikely about
that?
While listening to Victor David Hansen Hoover Fellow at
Stanford, said the reason. While he was teaching
literacy, he started out with assigning 6 books starting
with the Iliad and the Odyssy to his student and was by
the late 60's forced to reduce this to 2.
Much to his surprise rather than reading at the normal
180 words per minute, students were struggling with 40 or
50 wpm and they couldn't understand half of the words
expected of a high school student, let alone a college
student.
Suddenly that rang a bell: the reason that Flunky and
Liebermann and to a lesser extend Krygowski found this
unbelievable is because they are nearly illiterate. They
simply cannot believe that someone would voluntarily
read, when it is so difficult for them. We did not see
this sort of disbelief from John or Andrew. We are of an
age that we were expected to be able to read. While they
may not be as highly read on every subject, every few
days, Andrew or John will post something referring to
books that the other three either have never heard of or
only heard the title in passing. In our day MOST high
school students were assigned the Iliad and/or The Odyssy.
While it is true that I didn't read more current books
such as those aqssigned in writing or literacy coures,
that was because it was entirely outside of my areas of
interest. Liebermann at least has the excuse that English
is his second language. But what excuse other than
illiteracy would Flunky have? Or while misspelling when
you have trouble seeing the screen means that my touch
typing is shitty, why would spelling be so important to
Frank if he didn't have such a microscopic vocabular?
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is
himselk well read in Spanish. Roger well read in English.
Rolf in German. these people did not comment on myh
reading volume. While it may not have been what they
might do, they did not find it unusual.
The reason for this is tha American Teacher's Union. When
questioned, my wife who herself taught reading and
writing admitted that there had been a large drop in the
literacy of teachers with the recognition of the
Teacher's Union. During the pandemic, in THREE weeks, she
taught her grandsons reading well enough to go from 2
years behind their grade level to 2 years ahead. That
doesn't say a lot for people in Teacher's Unions.
Mr Hansen was a professor of Classics at Stanford, not a
remedial reading teacher.
I made the assumption that it was a typical tommy fuck-up -
he actually meant "literature", not "literacy".
That said, Andrew, I'm struggling to remember the last time
you did this:
"every few days, Andrew or John will post something
referring to books that the other three either have never
heard of"
John recently posted references to Alice in Wonderland and
Tom Sawyer - hardly qualifies as "never heard of or only
heard the title in passing"
Care to refresh my memory?
On 4/9/2025 11:56 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/9/2025 12:02 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/9/2025 10:31 AM, cyclintom wrote:
One of the things that has really puzzled me is the reaction of
Liebermann and Flunky to my simoply saying that I read out aoll of
the nun-fiction books in three libraries.
What in heavens name would be unusual or unlikely about that?
While listening to Victor David Hansen Hoover Fellow at Stanford,
said the reason. While he was teaching literacy, he started out with
assigning 6 books starting with the Iliad and the Odyssy to his
student and was by the late 60's forced to reduce this to 2.
Much to his surprise rather than reading at the normal 180 words per
minute, students were struggling with 40 or 50 wpm and they couldn't
understand half of the words expected of a high school student, let
alone a college student.
Suddenly that rang a bell: the reason that Flunky and Liebermann and
to a lesser extend Krygowski found this unbelievable is because they
are nearly illiterate. They simply cannot believe that someone would
voluntarily read, when it is so difficult for them. We did not see
this sort of disbelief from John or Andrew. We are of an age that we
were expected to be able to read. While they may not be as highly
read on every subject, every few days, Andrew or John will post
something referring to books that the other three either have never
heard of or only heard the title in passing. In our day MOST high
school students were assigned the Iliad and/or The Odyssy.
While it is true that I didn't read more current books such as those
aqssigned in writing or literacy coures, that was because it was
entirely outside of my areas of interest. Liebermann at least has
the excuse that English is his second language. But what excuse
other than illiteracy would Flunky have? Or while misspelling when
you have trouble seeing the screen means that my touch typing is
shitty, why would spelling be so important to Frank if he didn't
have such a microscopic vocabular?
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well
read in Spanish. Roger well read in English. Rolf in German. these
people did not comment on myh reading volume. While it may not have
been what they might do, they did not find it unusual.
The reason for this is tha American Teacher's Union. When
questioned, my wife who herself taught reading and writing admitted
that there had been a large drop in the literacy of teachers with
the recognition of the Teacher's Union. During the pandemic, in
THREE weeks, she taught her grandsons reading well enough to go from
2 years behind their grade level to 2 years ahead. That doesn't say
a lot for people in Teacher's Unions.
Mr Hansen was a professor of Classics at Stanford, not a remedial
reading teacher.
I made the assumption that it was a typical tommy fuck-up - he
actually meant "literature", not "literacy".
That said, Andrew, I'm struggling to remember the last time you did this:
"every few days, Andrew or John will post something referring to books
that the other three either have never heard of"
John recently posted references to Alice in Wonderland and Tom Sawyer
- hardly qualifies as "never heard of or only heard the title in passing"
Care to refresh my memory?
US Constitution maybe? Hardly anyone has read that.
One of the things that has really puzzled me is the reaction of Liebermann and Flunky to my simoply saying that I read out aoll of the nun-fiction books in three libraries.
What in heavens name would be unusual or unlikely about that?
While listening to Victor David Hansen
Hoover Fellow at Stanford, said the reason. While he was teaching literacy,
he started out with assigning 6 books starting with the Iliad and the Odyssy to his student and was by the late 60's forced to reduce this to 2.
Much to his surprise rather than reading at the normal 180 words per minute,
students were struggling with 40 or 50 wpm and they couldn't understand half of the words expected of a high school student, let alone a college student.
Suddenly that rang a bell: the reason that Flunky and Liebermann and to a lesser extend Krygowski found this unbelievable is because they are nearly illiterate.
They simply cannot believe that someone would voluntarily read, when it is so difficult for them.
We did not see this sort of disbelief from John or Andrew.
We are of an age that we were expected to be able to read. While they may not be as highly read on every subject, every few days, Andrew or John will post something referring to books that the other three either have never heard of or only heard thetitle in passing.
In our day MOST high school students were assigned the Iliad and/or The Odyssy.
While it is true that I didn't read more current books such as those aqssigned in writing or literacy coures, that was because it was entirely outside of my areas of interest. Liebermann at least has the excuse that English is his second language.
But what excuse other than illiteracy would Flunky have?
Or while misspelling when you have trouble seeing the screen means that my touch typing is shitty,
why would spelling be so important to Frank if he didn't have such a microscopic vocabular?
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish.
Roger well read in English. Rolf in German. these people did not comment on myh reading volume. While it may not have been what they might do, they did not find it unusual.
The reason for this is tha American Teacher's Union.
When questioned, my wife who herself taught reading and writing admitted that there had been a large drop in the literacy of teachers with the recognition of the Teacher's Union.
During the pandemic, in THREE weeks, she taught her grandsons reading well enough to go from 2 years behind their grade level to 2 years ahead. That doesn't say a lot for people in Teacher's Unions.
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish.
Shadow Likely is aware of your claim to have read the entire
"nun"-fiction contents of three libraries.
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:31:16 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish.
I can't read Spanish. It's an icky language. Aggghh !!! I'd
rather learn Latin. Which I did to some extent a long time ago. Even
French is more palatable.
Shadow Likely is aware of your claim to have read the entire
"nun"-fiction contents of three libraries.
I have read thousands of books. Was my main indoor hobby
before medicine took up all my time. Most books in a library are very
boring and practically useless. I'd never attempt to read them all.
I have also forgotten what I read in thousands of books :)
I write in Portuguese/English.
[]'s
On Wed Apr 9 15:30:34 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/9/2025 3:07 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:31:16 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish.
I can't read Spanish. It's an icky language. Aggghh !!! I'd
rather learn Latin. Which I did to some extent a long time ago. Even
French is more palatable.
I missed that. Tommy thinks Spanish is the language of Brazil. Tangent:
we have sales reps in Brazil. Brazil has their own governmental
regulatory agency called INMETRO* which among other things controls the
importation of Hazard Location equipment, so most of our products have
Portuguese labeling and manuals. WE been processing our manuals through
google translate and having our reps proof read them, so far it's
workout remarkably well.
*Instituto Nacional de Metrologia, Qualidade e Tecnologia - National
Institute of Metrology, Standardization and Industrial Quality
Shadow Likely is aware of your claim to have read the entire
"nun"-fiction contents of three libraries.
I have read thousands of books. Was my main indoor hobby
before medicine took up all my time. Most books in a library are very
boring and practically useless. I'd never attempt to read them all.
I have also forgotten what I read in thousands of books :)
I write in Portuguese/English.
I had the understanding that Shadow was Argentinian. Even you, as stupid as you are know that the national language of Brazil is Portuguese. And strange that Shadow spoke of readubg thousands of books which would have been several libraries and youweren't smart enough to notice that.
On Wed Apr 9 11:02:20 2025 AMuzi wrote:
Mr Hansen was a professor of Classics at Stanford, not a
remedial reading teacher.
During one of his lectures he was speaking about when he was teaching history and litrature at Fresno State. If you were teaching literature by following a lesson plan approved by the union as Krygowsky no doubt did, I have a notion that you'd doperfectly well and soon discover that literacy was a problem.
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:31:16 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish.
I can't read Spanish. It's an icky language. Aggghh !!! I'd
rather learn Latin. Which I did to some extent a long time ago. Even
French is more palatable.
Shadow Likely is aware of your claim to have read the entire
"nun"-fiction contents of three libraries.
I have read thousands of books. Was my main indoor hobby
before medicine took up all my time. Most books in a library are very
boring and practically useless. I'd never attempt to read them all.
I have also forgotten what I read in thousands of books :)
I write in Portuguese/English.
[]'s
On Wed Apr 9 15:30:34 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/9/2025 3:07 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:31:16 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish.
I can't read Spanish. It's an icky language. Aggghh !!! I'd
rather learn Latin. Which I did to some extent a long time ago. Even
French is more palatable.
I missed that. Tommy thinks Spanish is the language of Brazil. Tangent:
we have sales reps in Brazil. Brazil has their own governmental
regulatory agency called INMETRO* which among other things controls the
importation of Hazard Location equipment, so most of our products have
Portuguese labeling and manuals. WE been processing our manuals through
google translate and having our reps proof read them, so far it's
workout remarkably well.
*Instituto Nacional de Metrologia, Qualidade e Tecnologia - National
Institute of Metrology, Standardization and Industrial Quality
Shadow Likely is aware of your claim to have read the entire
"nun"-fiction contents of three libraries.
I have read thousands of books. Was my main indoor hobby
before medicine took up all my time. Most books in a library are very
boring and practically useless. I'd never attempt to read them all.
I have also forgotten what I read in thousands of books :)
I write in Portuguese/English.
I had the understanding that Shadow was Argentinian. Even you, as stupid as you are know that the national language of Brazil is Portuguese. And strange that Shadow spoke of readubg thousands of books which would have been several libraries and youweren't smart enough to notice that.
On Wed Apr 9 16:20:29 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:perfectly well and soon discover that literacy was a problem.
On 4/9/2025 3:50 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Apr 9 11:02:20 2025 AMuzi wrote:
Mr Hansen was a professor of Classics at Stanford, not a
remedial reading teacher.
During one of his lectures he was speaking about when he was teaching history and litrature at Fresno State. If you were teaching literature by following a lesson plan approved by the union as Krygowsky no doubt did, I have a notion that you'd do
Which doesn't mean he was teaching literacy, as you wrote.
Poor l.ittle dwarf has nothing to say so picks on spelling errors.
Gee, don't you have something to do at that really important job?
Once upon a time they did not write books about DNA from the bones of thouands-of-years dead Dire Wolves and using dogs as serogets to bring back a species that was killed off by homo sapians to pretect themselves.
On Wed Apr 9 16:09:08 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:weren't smart enough to notice that.
On 4/9/2025 3:44 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Apr 9 15:30:34 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/9/2025 3:07 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:31:16 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish.
I can't read Spanish. It's an icky language. Aggghh !!! I'd
rather learn Latin. Which I did to some extent a long time ago. Even >>>>> French is more palatable.
I missed that. Tommy thinks Spanish is the language of Brazil. Tangent: >>>> we have sales reps in Brazil. Brazil has their own governmental
regulatory agency called INMETRO* which among other things controls the >>>> importation of Hazard Location equipment, so most of our products have >>>> Portuguese labeling and manuals. WE been processing our manuals through >>>> google translate and having our reps proof read them, so far it's
workout remarkably well.
*Instituto Nacional de Metrologia, Qualidade e Tecnologia - National
Institute of Metrology, Standardization and Industrial Quality
Shadow Likely is aware of your claim to have read the entire
"nun"-fiction contents of three libraries.
I have read thousands of books. Was my main indoor hobby
before medicine took up all my time. Most books in a library are very >>>>> boring and practically useless. I'd never attempt to read them all.
I have also forgotten what I read in thousands of books :)
I write in Portuguese/English.
I had the understanding that Shadow was Argentinian. Even you, as stupid as you are know that the national language of Brazil is Portuguese. And strange that Shadow spoke of readubg thousands of books which would have been several libraries and you
Oh, I did not it, and it isn't uncommon for a medical professional to
have read thousands of books over their career.
But this explains things a bit, Tommy has only visited very very tiny
libraries. Lets check how many books the San Leandro library has....
https://librarytechnology.org/library/1751
"The collection of the library contains 315,651 volumes."
My city smaller city?
https://librarytechnology.org/library/3594
"The collection of the library contains 160,965 volumes."
No, tommy, a few thousand books are not a library, that's a small
collection.
Let me guess, you're definition of "library" is the stack of magazines
on the back of your toilet, right?
You don't know a thing that you're talking about, as usual. That is a total number of books in the San Leandro main and all of its susidiary libraries meaning that there are duplicates at each library.
Also, in the last 75 years a gret many books have been published. Once upon a time they did not write books about DNA from the bones of thouands-of-years dead Dire Wolves and using dogs as serogets to bring back a species that was killed off by homosapians to pretect themselves.
They didn't write books about the philosophy of the Nepolianic wars.
You want to pretend that books like that have always been around and that they bore some value in my teens.
Little dwarves like you should learn to read so that you know something about it.
This is clearly why noone at your company expects you to work and you make no effort to.
On Wed Apr 9 17:41:31 2025 Shadow wrote:weren't smart enough to notice that.
On Wed, 09 Apr 2025 19:44:00 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed Apr 9 15:30:34 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/9/2025 3:07 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:31:16 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish.
I can't read Spanish. It's an icky language. Aggghh !!! I'd
rather learn Latin. Which I did to some extent a long time ago. Even >>>>> French is more palatable.
I missed that. Tommy thinks Spanish is the language of Brazil. Tangent: >>>> we have sales reps in Brazil. Brazil has their own governmental
regulatory agency called INMETRO* which among other things controls the >>>> importation of Hazard Location equipment, so most of our products have >>>> Portuguese labeling and manuals. WE been processing our manuals through >>>> google translate and having our reps proof read them, so far it's
workout remarkably well.
*Instituto Nacional de Metrologia, Qualidade e Tecnologia - National
Institute of Metrology, Standardization and Industrial Quality
Shadow Likely is aware of your claim to have read the entire
"nun"-fiction contents of three libraries.
I have read thousands of books. Was my main indoor hobby
before medicine took up all my time. Most books in a library are very >>>>> boring and practically useless. I'd never attempt to read them all.
I have also forgotten what I read in thousands of books :)
I write in Portuguese/English.
I had the understanding that Shadow was Argentinian. Even you, as stupid as you are know that the national language of Brazil is Portuguese. And strange that Shadow spoke of readubg thousands of books which would have been several libraries and you
You must have very small libraries in America.
Most used-book stores here have over 1000 titles....
Exsactly how do you suppose I became a self taught engineer?
By reading a thousand books? Most books are fiction, but tens of thousands are non-fiction. I asked you your profession beforfe and you didn't answer,
On Wed Apr 9 17:41:31 2025 Shadow wrote:weren't smart enough to notice that.
On Wed, 09 Apr 2025 19:44:00 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed Apr 9 15:30:34 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/9/2025 3:07 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:31:16 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote:
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish.
I can't read Spanish. It's an icky language. Aggghh !!! I'd
rather learn Latin. Which I did to some extent a long time ago. Even
French is more palatable.
I missed that. Tommy thinks Spanish is the language of Brazil. Tangent: >> >> we have sales reps in Brazil. Brazil has their own governmental
regulatory agency called INMETRO* which among other things controls the >> >> importation of Hazard Location equipment, so most of our products have
Portuguese labeling and manuals. WE been processing our manuals through >> >> google translate and having our reps proof read them, so far it's
workout remarkably well.
*Instituto Nacional de Metrologia, Qualidade e Tecnologia - National
Institute of Metrology, Standardization and Industrial Quality
Shadow Likely is aware of your claim to have read the entire
"nun"-fiction contents of three libraries.
I have read thousands of books. Was my main indoor hobby
before medicine took up all my time. Most books in a library are very >> >> > boring and practically useless. I'd never attempt to read them all.
I have also forgotten what I read in thousands of books :)
I write in Portuguese/English.
I had the understanding that Shadow was Argentinian. Even you, as stupid as you are know that the national language of Brazil is Portuguese. And strange that Shadow spoke of readubg thousands of books which would have been several libraries and you
You must have very small libraries in America.
Most used-book stores here have over 1000 titles....
Exsactly how do you suppose I became a self taught engineer? By reading a thousand books? Most books are fiction, but tens of thousands are non-fiction. I asked you your profession beforfe and you didn't answer, now you imply without saying that you arean MD. Or are you a nurse?
One of the things that has really puzzled me is the reaction
of Liebermann and Flunky to my simoply saying that I read
out aoll of the nun-fiction books in three libraries.
https://librarytechnology.org/library/1751
"The collection of the library contains 315,651 volumes."
On Wed Apr 9 16:09:08 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:weren't smart enough to notice that.
On 4/9/2025 3:44 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Wed Apr 9 15:30:34 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/9/2025 3:07 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:31:16 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
Shadow found no trouble with my reading, because he is himselk well read in Spanish.
I can't read Spanish. It's an icky language. Aggghh !!! I'd
rather learn Latin. Which I did to some extent a long time ago. Even >>>>> French is more palatable.
I missed that. Tommy thinks Spanish is the language of Brazil. Tangent: >>>> we have sales reps in Brazil. Brazil has their own governmental
regulatory agency called INMETRO* which among other things controls the >>>> importation of Hazard Location equipment, so most of our products have >>>> Portuguese labeling and manuals. WE been processing our manuals through >>>> google translate and having our reps proof read them, so far it's
workout remarkably well.
*Instituto Nacional de Metrologia, Qualidade e Tecnologia - National
Institute of Metrology, Standardization and Industrial Quality
Shadow Likely is aware of your claim to have read the entire
"nun"-fiction contents of three libraries.
I have read thousands of books. Was my main indoor hobby
before medicine took up all my time. Most books in a library are very >>>>> boring and practically useless. I'd never attempt to read them all.
I have also forgotten what I read in thousands of books :)
I write in Portuguese/English.
I had the understanding that Shadow was Argentinian. Even you, as stupid as you are know that the national language of Brazil is Portuguese. And strange that Shadow spoke of readubg thousands of books which would have been several libraries and you
Oh, I did not it, and it isn't uncommon for a medical professional to
have read thousands of books over their career.
But this explains things a bit, Tommy has only visited very very tiny
libraries. Lets check how many books the San Leandro library has....
https://librarytechnology.org/library/1751
"The collection of the library contains 315,651 volumes."
My city smaller city?
https://librarytechnology.org/library/3594
"The collection of the library contains 160,965 volumes."
No, tommy, a few thousand books are not a library, that's a small
collection.
Let me guess, you're definition of "library" is the stack of magazines
on the back of your toilet, right?
You don't know a thing that you're talking about, as usual. That is a total number of books in the San Leandro main and all of its susidiary libraries meaning that there are duplicates at each library.sapians to pretect themselves. They didn't write books about the philosophy of the Nepolianic wars. You want to pretend that books like that have always been around and that they bore some value in my teens. Little dwarves like you should learn to read
Also, in the last 75 years a gret many books have been published. Once upon a time they did not write books about DNA from the bones of thouands-of-years dead Dire Wolves and using dogs as serogets to bring back a species that was killed off by homo
On 4/9/2025 4:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Exsactly how do you suppose I became a self taught engineer?
You were not an engineer.
On Wed, 09 Apr 2025 15:46:53 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2025 15:31:35 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>Re "gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
wrote:
One of the things that has really puzzled me is the reaction
of Liebermann and Flunky to my simoply saying that I read
out aoll of the nun-fiction books in three libraries.
Oddly, your current claim is now quite different from what you
originally claimed:
06/07/2022 >><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ> >>"I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you >>have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
Hmmm... no mention of reading only non-fiction books. Is there
anything else you forgot to include, such as how many books you
actually read? Since you only read non-fiction, did you read all the
books that are classified by the Dewey Decimal System as non-fiction,
such as:
"Non Fiction: the Dewey Decimal System" >><https://blogs.glowscotland.org.uk/nl/braidhurstlibrary/non-fiction-dewey-decimal-system/>
That's still a HUGE number of books.
Incidentally, if you really wanted to obtain a technical education by
only reading, books are not a good way to learn anything beyond the
basics. What you should have read was up to date technical
publications, research reports, trade journals, industry magazines, >>patents, etc. Even if read all these, you would not have obtained any >>hands-on or practical experience.
But anyone can "Become an "Engineer" these days. I saw a big yellow
truck with "Sanitation Engineer: on both sides... picking up the
garbage in front of my house just the other day.
Drivel: I've been a bit busy and have not been able spend much time
fixing your mistakes. I should be done with my repair backlog in
about 5 to 10 days.
On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 09:24:26 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2025 15:46:53 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2025 15:31:35 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>Re "gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
wrote:
One of the things that has really puzzled me is the reaction
of Liebermann and Flunky to my simoply saying that I read
out aoll of the nun-fiction books in three libraries.
Oddly, your current claim is now quite different from what you
originally claimed:
06/07/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ>
"I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
Hmmm... no mention of reading only non-fiction books. Is there
anything else you forgot to include, such as how many books you
actually read? Since you only read non-fiction, did you read all the
books that are classified by the Dewey Decimal System as non-fiction,
such as:
"Non Fiction: the Dewey Decimal System"
<https://blogs.glowscotland.org.uk/nl/braidhurstlibrary/non-fiction-dewey-decimal-system/>
That's still a HUGE number of books.
Incidentally, if you really wanted to obtain a technical education by
only reading, books are not a good way to learn anything beyond the
basics. What you should have read was up to date technical
publications, research reports, trade journals, industry magazines,
patents, etc. Even if read all these, you would not have obtained any
hands-on or practical experience.
But anyone can "Become an "Engineer" these days. I saw a big yellow
truck with "Sanitation Engineer: on both sides... picking up the
garbage in front of my house just the other day.
Well, being an engineer began with a person who helped operate a
locomotive. It then spread to operating stationary engines (pumps,
lifts, wells, generators, etc). I would be hard pressed to find
anything resembling an engine with many types of engineers.
My guess(tm) is that today's engineers have expanded into areas that
require the ability to calculate whatever they're building without
resorting to cut-n-try or trial-and-error methods. More crudely,
these engineers design something on paper or in a computer before it's
built. I don't know what a "sanitation engineer" actually does, but
it's quite different from a "sanitary engineer". <https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/what-does-sanitation-engineer-do>
Drivel: I've been a bit busy and have not been able spend much time
fixing your mistakes. I should be done with my repair backlog in
about 5 to 10 days.
Actually, I was suppose to be done with the repair tonight and had
planned on loafing for a few days. That isn't going to happen. My
customer just called informing me that his computer failed again.
Drivel: It's midnight and I'm busy reducing my rec.bicycles.tech
reading backlog a manageable number of articles worth reading.
Drivel: It's midnight and I'm busy reducing my rec.bicycles.tech
reading backlog a manageable number of articles worth reading.
Hmm.... "Worth reading"... ???
And you so infatuated with Toms posts?
I can only assume that you are joking... Right?
Not quite right. I find that analyzing and exposing Tom'sI can recommend some volunteer opportunities if all you have to
fabrications, lies and amazing facts to be very entertaining, amusing
and educational in that it forces me to think and research areas which
have escaped my attention. I wouldn't call it infatuation. If you
count the number of my replies to Tom's claims and divide by the
number of Tom's posts during the same time period, you would probably
find that I reply to a very small percentage of his posts. If I were genuinely infatuated with Tom's posts, one might expect me to reply to
all of Tom's posts.
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 16:09:08 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
https://librarytechnology.org/library/1751
"The collection of the library contains 315,651 volumes."
Let's pretend that it takes only 1 hr for Tom to speed read those
books. That would be:
315,651 hrs / 8760 hrs/year = 36 years
Assuming Tom started when he didn't graduate from high school in 1962,
he would have been done reading in about:
1962 + 36 = 1998
Tom might need get updated books since many of them would be obsolete
by the time Tom was done reading all the books.
I'll assume that while "reading out" 3 libraries and 1 military
library that Tom read each book only once. Hmmm... reading each book
only once at any library makes me wonder why Tom bothered to mentioned
3 libraries and 1 military library. Doing it all in one library would
have been adequate.
On 4/10/2025 9:20 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
<snip>
Not quite right. I find that analyzing and exposing Tom's
fabrications, lies and amazing facts to be very entertaining, amusing
and educational in that it forces me to think and research areas which
have escaped my attention. I wouldn't call it infatuation. If you
count the number of my replies to Tom's claims and divide by the
number of Tom's posts during the same time period, you would probably
find that I reply to a very small percentage of his posts. If I were
genuinely infatuated with Tom's posts, one might expect me to reply to
all of Tom's posts.
I can recommend some volunteer opportunities if all you have to
entertain yourself is exposing Tom's misinformation.
On 4/9/2025 6:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 16:09:08 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
https://librarytechnology.org/library/1751
"The collection of the library contains 315,651 volumes."
Let's pretend that it takes only 1 hr for Tom to speed read those
books. That would be:
315,651 hrs / 8760 hrs/year = 36 years
Assuming Tom started when he didn't graduate from high school in 1962,
he would have been done reading in about:
1962 + 36 = 1998
Tom might need get updated books since many of them would be obsolete
by the time Tom was done reading all the books.
Besides that, tommy was making an assumption that the three branches
have redundancies. We don't know that, the link I gave may be indicating >_unique_ volumes.
I'll assume that while "reading out" 3 libraries and 1 military
library that Tom read each book only once. Hmmm... reading each book
only once at any library makes me wonder why Tom bothered to mentioned
3 libraries and 1 military library. Doing it all in one library would
have been adequate.
A military library would have materials generally not carried by public >libraries. Growing up on military bases, I can attest those libraries
had much larger sections on military history, armaments,
battle/campaign analysis, etc.
All of which is totally moot to the point: Tommys claim of "reading out" >three libraries has as much likelihood of truth as a dent popping out of
his top tube.
On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 09:20:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 14:25:39 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
Drivel: It's midnight and I'm busy reducing my rec.bicycles.tech >>>>reading backlog a manageable number of articles worth reading.
Hmm.... "Worth reading"... ???
Articles "worth reading" are those remaining after I have eliminated >>one-line replies, position statements, +1 tags, personality clashes, >>massive quotes from pervious articles, unintelligible gibberish, and
such. I especially don't like one-line replies. I'm not very
interested in terse position statements. What I prefer to read are
the sources, logic and data behind someone's opinion. I can learn >>something from those postings while a simple opinion statement teaches
me nothing.
I don't expect anyone (or everyone) to adjust their output to conform
to my preferences. I'm just explaining that it's impossible for me
(or anyone) to read all the articles in rec.bicycles.tech. Filtering
and ignoring makes it easier and faster for me. I could hire a
secretary to read RBT for me and provide me with daily executive
summaries. Maybe I could program and AI to do that. In the distant
past, Andre Jute claimed to have done something similar.
And you so infatuated with Toms posts?
I can only assume that you are joking... Right?
Not quite right. I find that analyzing and exposing Tom's
fabrications, lies and amazing facts to be very entertaining, amusing
and educational in that it forces me to think and research areas which
have escaped my attention. I wouldn't call it infatuation. If you
count the number of my replies to Tom's claims and divide by the
number of Tom's posts during the same time period, you would probably
find that I reply to a very small percentage of his posts. If I were >>genuinely infatuated with Tom's posts, one might expect me to reply to
all of Tom's posts.
Well of course. Tom is replying to the world while you are only
replying to Tom :-)
On 4/10/2025 3:38 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Also, the book inventory is rather dynamic and changes often. The
process is known as "weeding", where books that have had no
circulation in a year are recycled: ...
I'm well aware of that, and I've sometimes wished I could "reserve" a
book in a different way than usual. Instead of "Can I borrow it when
someone finally returns it?" there are books I've wished I could have
said "When you're getting ready to throw it out, can I buy it?" I missed
a couple good ones that way.
These days, it's less of an issue for me. I've found >https://www.abebooks.com/
to be an excellent source of old or out-of-print books.
On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 16:11:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/10/2025 3:38 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Also, the book inventory is rather dynamic and changes often. The
process is known as "weeding", where books that have had no
circulation in a year are recycled: ...
I'm well aware of that, and I've sometimes wished I could "reserve" a
book in a different way than usual. Instead of "Can I borrow it when
someone finally returns it?" there are books I've wished I could have
said "When you're getting ready to throw it out, can I buy it?" I missed
a couple good ones that way.
The Santa Cruz library main branch used to have book sales. They
stopped because the few sales and little revenue obtained from book
sales was not sufficient to justify the effort.
These days, it's less of an issue for me. I've found
https://www.abebooks.com/
to be an excellent source of old or out-of-print books.
I use Alibris:
<https://www.alibris.com>
for buying used books.
I once knew a girl
who worked (part time student job) at an engineering
library. She'd let me peruse the books pulled and on their way to
landfill occasionally. Some of them are quite useful!
On 4/11/2025 7:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/10/2025 6:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:Great melody. I like how it switches between Dorian mode and
I once knew a girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQYybpKlDh0
Aeolian.
On 4/11/2025 10:27 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/11/2025 7:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 4/10/2025 6:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:Great melody. I like how it switches between Dorian mode and
I once knew a girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQYybpKlDh0
Aeolian.
I only recently read that Mr Lennon never learned to
read/write musical notation.
On Wed Apr 9 23:21:10 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:not engineer in the real world and so fell back to the fake world of teaching where you assign work from textbooks written by someone else. It must be very painful for you not to be able to affordc a real road bike.
On 4/9/2025 4:55 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Exsactly how do you suppose I became a self taught engineer?
You were not an engineer.
You are a liar. I still have business cards issued to me by large companies assigning me the title of EE and/or Senior Software Engineer. You are the one that was not an engineer. Like Liebermann, a degree does not make you a real engineer. You could
I still have business cards issued to me by large companies assigning me the title of EE and/or Senior Software Engineer.
Thanks for that information. I designed and programmed many medical instruments and that gave me a respect for doctors which the recent pandemic reversed for doctors here. Did Brazil forbid the use of Ivermectin against Covid-19, as they did here?
There were several medication that were forbidden here because in order to give emergency ahthorization to develope vaccines without all of the strings attached, there cannot be any effective present treatments.
On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 16:38:04 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
Thanks for that information. I designed and programmed many medical instruments and that gave me a respect for doctors which the recent pandemic reversed for doctors here. Did Brazil forbid the use of Ivermectin against Covid-19, as they did here?
No, Bolsonaro promoted it. That and chloroquine. Which is why
our mortality rate was worse than any other country. My mother died of
"acute respiratory failure". As did my best friend, an ICU doctor. No
mention of COVID on their death certificates. Doctors that worked for
private "health" groups were fired if they put "Covid" as a diagnosis.
There were several medication that were forbidden here because in order to give emergency ahthorization to develope vaccines without all of the strings attached, there cannot be any effective present treatments.
Brazilians were divided in two groups. Those that did not
trust the US and its puppets (Bolsonaro). They had the Sinovac
vaccine.
And those that thought social media was doG. They had the
American vaccines.
You could choose. We still have some democracy left.... I
don't believe you had a choice in the US.
Nobody that had the 3 doses of Sinovac died of COVID.
[]'s
On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 16:45:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
I still have business cards issued to me by large companies assigning me the title of EE and/or Senior Software Engineer.
That would be fraud. "Large companies" cannot issue diplomas.
[]'s
Brazilians were divided in two groups. Those that did not
trust the US and its puppets (Bolsonaro). They had the Sinovac
vaccine.
And those that thought social media was doG. They had the
American vaccines.
You could choose. We still have some democracy left.... I
don't believe you had a choice in the US.
Nobody that had the 3 doses of Sinovac died of COVID.
On 4/14/2025 4:27 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 16:45:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
I still have business cards issued to me by large companies assigning me the title of EE and/or Senior Software Engineer.
That would be fraud. "Large companies" cannot issue diplomas.
[]'s
No, but they can confer the title. I've worked with two non-degreed
engineers in the past, both had engineering titles and responsibilities. >Those were both in private companies where they were "individual >contributors". I doubt either of them would have been promoted to any
senior engineering or management role without degrees.
There's no law or rule in the US saying you can't be an engineer unless
you have a degree, but there are certain restrictions for what public
roles can be given to engineers, depending on which state you live in.
This especially applies to Civil or Electrical Engineering on public >infrastructure projects.
On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 17:25:59 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
Brazilians were divided in two groups. Those that did not
trust the US and its puppets (Bolsonaro). They had the Sinovac
vaccine.
And those that thought social media was doG. They had the
American vaccines.
You could choose. We still have some democracy left.... I
don't believe you had a choice in the US.
Nobody that had the 3 doses of Sinovac died of COVID.
By the time the vaccines began to be available (approx April 2021) we
were given the choice of Pfizer, Moderna or J&J (Johnson and Johnson). >Novavax appeared later but hasn't been approved. Initially, one had
to use the same brand for the initial vaccinations and all following >boosters. That changed a few months later, when it was found (or
declared) that only the first two shots needed to be of the same type.
I've had two vaccinations followed by five boosters, between Apr 2021
and Sept 2024, all from Pfizer. While we did have a choice of
vaccine, it was more like a preference because the decision was mostly
based on what was available.
On 4/14/2025 3:25 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 16:38:04 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
Thanks for that information. I designed and programmed many medical instruments and that gave me a respect for doctors which the recent pandemic reversed for doctors here. Did Brazil forbid the use of Ivermectin against Covid-19, as they did here?
No, Bolsonaro promoted it. That and chloroquine. Which is why
our mortality rate was worse than any other country. My mother died of
"acute respiratory failure". As did my best friend, an ICU doctor. No
mention of COVID on their death certificates. Doctors that worked for
private "health" groups were fired if they put "Covid" as a diagnosis.
There were several medication that were forbidden here because in order to give emergency ahthorization to develope vaccines without all of the strings attached, there cannot be any effective present treatments.
Brazilians were divided in two groups. Those that did not
trust the US and its puppets (Bolsonaro). They had the Sinovac
vaccine.
And those that thought social media was doG. They had the
American vaccines.
You could choose. We still have some democracy left.... I
don't believe you had a choice in the US.
Nobody that had the 3 doses of Sinovac died of COVID.
[]'s
Few or less maybe but zero deaths seems improbable:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
https://www.newsweek.com/chinas-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-50-efficacy-rate-gets-who-approval-1596569
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55642648
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