I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arroused the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for a position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting
since unlike Flunkyyou to accept.
I take a job seriously. But the horse always ncomes before the cart and I always have to see what the job is before I accept it. This is something that the HR departments no longer understand and think that merely offering you a job is suffoicient for
Embedded systems with modern uprocessors are rather complex and you have to have GOOD technicians. Liebermann, unfortunately doesn't understand any of this.
On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arrousedI'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for a
position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting since unlike Flunky
But until then: If you actually communicate with the company by email,
etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or "jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
On Fri Mar 14 15:31:53 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/14/2025 3:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arroused
the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for a
position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting since unlike Flunky >>> I'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
But until then: If you actually communicate with the company by email,
etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose
communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
We've had this discussion before. Tommy doesn't think spelling or
grammar are of any considerable value when job hunting.
And Flunky doesn't believe that working is part of a job.
Instead he thinks that he can get away with BSing us about 200 mile rides.
My younger brother finished half way back in the Sea Otter field Cat 4 when he was 50.
Flunky tells us he races in his 60's.
He also tells us that he works but magically is able to answer comments within seconds after they are written.
On 3/14/2025 3:49 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri Mar 14 15:06:06 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arroused
the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for a
position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting since unlike Flunky >>> I'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
But until then: If you actually communicate with the company by email,
etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose
communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
After all, there is nothing more important than correct spelling on a newsgroup.
Most of us here handle that with barely a thought.
John is always misspelling "college" as "collage" (which is an artwork assembled from parts) and I've seen many people confuse "loose" and
"lose", but their mistakes are a tiny fraction of yours.
It makes a person wonder whether you have very low standards, or whether you're incapable of normal accuracy. Either possibility is probably
fatal for a job application.
We'll see, I guess. Let us know when you're _actually_ working and
getting paid by this company. If you don't, we can discuss whether the "offer" was only as real as the dent in your top tube, or whether they ultimately rejected you.
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:15:25 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/14/2025 3:47 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri Mar 14 15:31:53 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/14/2025 3:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arroused >>>>>> the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for aI'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting since unlike Flunky
But until then: If you actually communicate with the company by email, >>>>> etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose >>>>> communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
We've had this discussion before. Tommy doesn't think spelling or
grammar are of any considerable value when job hunting.
And Flunky doesn't believe that working is part of a job.
My management disagrees with you.
Instead he thinks that he can get away with BSing us about 200 mile rides. >>Never happened. You made something up, doubled down, and refused to
admit you were wrong. Nope, I never wrote, insinuated, made any
suggestion, posted any reference or link that would support your claim
that I was capable of such a feat. If you still think I did, post a
reference that you think supports your claim. It's entirely a figment of
your imagination. You looked at something that you thought was a 200
mile ride on my strava profile, then saw something that said I
maintained a 20 MPH average (which I've done frequently), and your
imagination did the rest.
My younger brother finished half way back in the Sea Otter field Cat 4 when he was 50.
Sounds like your brother should have trained more.
Flunky tells us he races in his 60's.
yes, and?
He also tells us that he works but magically is able to answer comments within seconds after they are written.
No magic involved. It's part of being a productive engineering
professional. Today I took a 90 minute lunch with my project manager and
firmware engineer at a local restaurant. We all had a beer. We do this
almost every friday. We talked about about technical issues on various
projects, but also chatted about non-work personal experiences. Our boss
has joined us on several occasions for these lunches. We can do these
things because we're good at our jobs, completing tasks within timelines
and budgets.
This isn't unusual, I've done the same at every job I've had since 1984.
(In fact, at one job I had in the early 2000's we would go to Hooters
every friday and get a pitcher). If you were competent at your jobs, you
wold have enjoyed the same freedoms and perks. It's obvious you weren't.
Just out of curiosity, what does a "productive engineer" do?
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 16:15:25 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/14/2025 3:47 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri Mar 14 15:31:53 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/14/2025 3:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arroused >>>>>> the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for aI'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting since unlike Flunky
But until then: If you actually communicate with the company by email, >>>>> etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose >>>>> communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
We've had this discussion before. Tommy doesn't think spelling or
grammar are of any considerable value when job hunting.
And Flunky doesn't believe that working is part of a job.
My management disagrees with you.
Instead he thinks that he can get away with BSing us about 200 mile rides. >>Never happened. You made something up, doubled down, and refused to
admit you were wrong. Nope, I never wrote, insinuated, made any
suggestion, posted any reference or link that would support your claim
that I was capable of such a feat. If you still think I did, post a
reference that you think supports your claim. It's entirely a figment of
your imagination. You looked at something that you thought was a 200
mile ride on my strava profile, then saw something that said I
maintained a 20 MPH average (which I've done frequently), and your
imagination did the rest.
My younger brother finished half way back in the Sea Otter field Cat 4 when he was 50.
Sounds like your brother should have trained more.
Flunky tells us he races in his 60's.
yes, and?
He also tells us that he works but magically is able to answer comments within seconds after they are written.
No magic involved. It's part of being a productive engineering
professional. Today I took a 90 minute lunch with my project manager and
firmware engineer at a local restaurant. We all had a beer. We do this
almost every friday. We talked about about technical issues on various
projects, but also chatted about non-work personal experiences. Our boss
has joined us on several occasions for these lunches. We can do these
things because we're good at our jobs, completing tasks within timelines
and budgets.
This isn't unusual, I've done the same at every job I've had since 1984.
(In fact, at one job I had in the early 2000's we would go to Hooters
every friday and get a pitcher). If you were competent at your jobs, you
wold have enjoyed the same freedoms and perks. It's obvious you weren't.
Just out of curiosity, what does a "productive engineer" do?
On 3/14/2025 3:49 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Fri Mar 14 15:06:06 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem toI'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
have arroused the curiosity of a CEO who is interested
in jnterviewing me for a position. if hired that would
end mowt orf my posting since unlike Flunky
But until then: If you actually communicate with the
company by email,
etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys
on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread
everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full
time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject
anyone whose
communications included words like "elszwhere" or
"arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
After all, there is nothing more important than correct
spelling on a newsgroup.
Most of us here handle that with barely a thought.
John is always misspelling "college" as "collage" (which is
an artwork assembled from parts) and I've seen many people
confuse "loose" and "lose", but their mistakes are a tiny
fraction of yours.
It makes a person wonder whether you have very low
standards, or whether you're incapable of normal accuracy.
Either possibility is probably fatal for a job application.
We'll see, I guess. Let us know when you're _actually_
working and getting paid by this company. If you don't, we
can discuss whether the "offer" was only as real as the dent
in your top tube, or whether they ultimately rejected you.
On 3/15/2025 9:22 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/14/2025 8:09 PM, John B. wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what does a "productive engineer" do?
He does the actual work, so the majority, the unproductive engineers,
can enjoy financial security.
No, the majority of engineers are not unproductive. Unproductive
engineers get fired.
On 3/15/2025 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/14/2025 10:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose >>>>> communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
After all, there is nothing more important than correct spelling on a
newsgroup.
Most of us here handle that with barely a thought.
John is always misspelling "college" as "collage" (which is an artwork
assembled from parts) and I've seen many people confuse "loose" and
"lose", but their mistakes are a tiny fraction of yours.
It makes a person wonder whether you have very low standards, or
whether you're incapable of normal accuracy. Either possibility is
probably fatal for a job application.
We'll see, I guess. Let us know when you're _actually_ working and
getting paid by this company. If you don't, we can discuss whether the
"offer" was only as real as the dent in your top tube, or whether they
ultimately rejected you.
While I do notice usage, grammar and spelling (I read the newspaper pen
in hand) such as errant or superfluous apostrophes, who/whom, the all
too common 'indexes' for 'indices' and so on, drawing attention to
others' writing eccentricities is usually picayune and borders on snarky.
Except when there's some shared humor to be found!
I almost always ignore misspellings here. It does require a bit of self >control, because my work history makes the "correction" reflex strong.
Part of my job was to correct and grade student work, and I corrected
_all_ of it. Even for a solution to a mathematical problem, if a student >misspelled a word, I'd circle it.
Note that I've never bothered to correct John's "collage" even though he >spells it that way every time.
Vaguely related: Among the private emails Jobst and I traded, there were
two times he offered me advice on English sentence structure, when he
thought I could have expressed myself better. I was, shall we say, bemused.
On 3/15/2025 9:22 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/14/2025 8:09 PM, John B. wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what does a "productive engineer" do?
He does the actual work, so the majority, the unproductive engineers,
can enjoy financial security.
No, the majority of engineers are not unproductive. Unproductive
engineers get fired.
Remember when Liebermann and Flunky demanded me to "prove" I was an engineer by showing how many patents I had?
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 13:33:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/16/2025 12:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Mar 15 14:30:01 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
As a matter of fact: Many years ago, one dolt in this newsgroup claimed >>>> he was going to snitch to the dean of my college that I was posting
during working hours.
Said dolt had no idea of when I was working or not (including,
frequently, beyond midnight). And he had no idea that the dean was more >>>> than perfectly satisfied with my work. He (or she) would never have
given his complaint a minute of thought.
Frank, from your tone of posting I can only assume that you're referring to me.
No, Tom, it wasn't you. I guess you can take some small comfort in the
fact that you're not the only dolt who's ever posted to this group
making threats against others.
But you might ask yourself what sort of dean would be satisfied with ANY teacher's work? It is a dean's job to never be happy with the work of anyone under him and to always work for improvements.
As usual, you're demonstrating total ignorance about how education
really works. That's not an uncommon problem for those lacking education.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Education is a good thing. It's the schools and the teachers that have
become the problem.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 3/16/2025 12:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Mar 15 14:30:01 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
As a matter of fact: Many years ago, one dolt in this newsgroup claimed
he was going to snitch to the dean of my college that I was posting
during working hours.
Said dolt had no idea of when I was working or not (including,
frequently, beyond midnight). And he had no idea that the dean was more
than perfectly satisfied with my work. He (or she) would never have
given his complaint a minute of thought.
Frank, from your tone of posting I can only assume that you're referring to me.
No, Tom, it wasn't you. I guess you can take some small comfort in the
fact that you're not the only dolt who's ever posted to this group
making threats against others.
But you might ask yourself what sort of dean would be satisfied with ANY teacher's work? It is a dean's job to never be happy with the work of anyone under him and to always work for improvements.
As usual, you're demonstrating total ignorance about how education
really works. That's not an uncommon problem for those lacking education.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Education is a good thing. It's the schools and the teachers that have
become the problem.
On 3/16/2025 1:29 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 13:33:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/16/2025 12:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Mar 15 14:30:01 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
As a matter of fact: Many years ago, one dolt in this newsgroup claimed >>>>> he was going to snitch to the dean of my college that I was posting
during working hours.
Said dolt had no idea of when I was working or not (including,
frequently, beyond midnight). And he had no idea that the dean was more >>>>> than perfectly satisfied with my work. He (or she) would never have
given his complaint a minute of thought.
Frank, from your tone of posting I can only assume that you're referring to me.
No, Tom, it wasn't you. I guess you can take some small comfort in the
fact that you're not the only dolt who's ever posted to this group
making threats against others.
But you might ask yourself what sort of dean would be satisfied with ANY teacher's work? It is a dean's job to never be happy with the work of anyone under him and to always work for improvements.
As usual, you're demonstrating total ignorance about how education
really works. That's not an uncommon problem for those lacking education. >>>
--
- Frank Krygowski
Education is a good thing. It's the schools and the teachers that have
become the problem.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Certainly not all but enough to shatter confidence and to
pursue alternatives.
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 13:39:25 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/16/2025 1:29 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 13:33:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/16/2025 12:51 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Mar 15 14:30:01 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
As a matter of fact: Many years ago, one dolt in this newsgroup claimed >>>>>> he was going to snitch to the dean of my college that I was posting >>>>>> during working hours.
Said dolt had no idea of when I was working or not (including,
frequently, beyond midnight). And he had no idea that the dean was more >>>>>> than perfectly satisfied with my work. He (or she) would never have >>>>>> given his complaint a minute of thought.
Frank, from your tone of posting I can only assume that you're referring to me.
No, Tom, it wasn't you. I guess you can take some small comfort in the >>>> fact that you're not the only dolt who's ever posted to this group
making threats against others.
But you might ask yourself what sort of dean would be satisfied with ANY teacher's work? It is a dean's job to never be happy with the work of anyone under him and to always work for improvements.
As usual, you're demonstrating total ignorance about how education
really works. That's not an uncommon problem for those lacking education. >>>>
--
- Frank Krygowski
Education is a good thing. It's the schools and the teachers that have
become the problem.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Certainly not all but enough to shatter confidence and to
pursue alternatives.
Students don't attend college to learn much that will later be useful.
At best, students learn the basics. After graduation, students are
expected to continue their education by gaining real world experience
in their chosen field. Many graduates fail to survive the shock of
the transition from the basics, to doing something useful, for which
an employer might consider worthy of paying a salary.
I'm not going to attempt to assign the blame or offer solutions for
the problem. Well, maybe just a small attempt. (Frank will probably
hate me). Most colleges are designed to manufacture academics who
will eventually become teachers. It's a safe solution for those who
fail to survive the shock of transition from basics to being
productive. For what it's worth, I learned far more from instructors
who had extensive industry experience than from those who teach by and
from the book.
My college motto was "Learn by Doing". My version was "Learn by
Destroying". You don't understand something until you've torn it
apart to see how it works and then repaired it: ><https://www.cpp.edu/polyadvantage/application-of-knowledge.shtml>
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 14:29:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
Education is a good thing. It's the schools and the teachers that have
become the problem.
In about 1967, while I was a student in college, I overheard an
(electronics) instructor remark
"This would be a nice place to work if it weren't for students".
I often did some of my best work while sleeping
On Fri Mar 14 15:06:06 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arroused the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for a position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting since unlike FlunkyI'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
But until then: If you actually communicate with the company by email,
etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose
communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
After all, there is nothing more important than correct spelling on a newsgroup.
On 3/16/2025 10:50 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025 19:49:06 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri Mar 14 15:06:06 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/14/2025 12:19 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I guess due to my comments here and elszwhere I seem to have arroused the curiosity of a CEO who is interested in jnterviewing me for a position. if hired that would end mowt orf my posting since unlike FlunkyI'll believe it when I see really good evidence.
But until then: If you actually communicate with the company by email, >>>> etc. PLEASE slow down, try harder to hit the proper keys on your
keyboard, use spellcheck and have someone else proofread everything
before you send it.
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose
communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
After all, there is nothing more important than correct spelling on a newsgroup.
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On 3/16/2025 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Students don't attend college to learn much that will later be useful.
At best, students learn the basics. ...
I'm not going to attempt to assign the blame or offer solutions for
the problem. Well, maybe just a small attempt. (Frank will probably
hate me). Most colleges are designed to manufacture academics who
will eventually become teachers.
Perhaps that's true. I can't speak for "most colleges" and I have close >knowledge about only a few fields of study, based on my experiences,
those of my kids and siblings. IOW, a small sample. Engineering,
chemistry, computer science, nursing and poetry.
So you may be correct about majors such as history, political science, >philosophy, art appreciation etc. But based on that small sample of
field I listed, I'd say you're wrong.
About my program, you're 100% flat wrong about the "designed to
manufacture academics." As one piece of evidence, we rarely offered
junior and senior level courses in the daytime. Why? Because by the time
they were juniors, most of our students were already employed in their
field at least part time. That's largely why I ended up teaching so many >evening courses.
And to get specific: I developed our Robotics course and laboratory in
1986, when industrial robots were first beginning to surge. We used real >industrial robots (not laboratory toys or online virtual robots) and I >attended a robotics school along with a roomful of engineers from Ford.
I consulted with them about what our course should contain, and as
always I consulted with our Industrial Advisory Committee. One major
piece of advice was to NOT build a course on how to design robots, or
the details of the mathematical transforms used to control the robot's
many joints, etc. The advice was to put heavy emphasis on how to use a >purchased robot in practical ways to get a task done robotically. (As I
told my students: There may have been a few dozen engineers in the U.S >designing robots. There would probably be need for thousands of
engineers who knew how to use them.)
And indeed, the wife of one of my graduates (they married when both were >seniors in my program) came back to visit and explained how her husband
had gotten great recognition in his company when he took over and
succeeded at a robotics project that a previous engineer had called >"Impossible." Her husband told her "It's exactly like the big project we
did in Krygowski's lab!"
Of course a person must not stop learning upon graduation. But as the
wife of another graduate relayed to me, "My husband said 'Krygowski
taught us how to learn.'"
I know there are engineering programs that study robotics more as
theoretical systems. We were purposely much more practical. The same >philosophy was at work in the rest of our curriculum.
I can't give as much detail about the other degrees and educations
earned by other family members and listed above. I won't compromise
their privacy, but I'll note that each of the people is professionally >successful in their field (even the poet) and could not have had that
success without their education.
Again, I agree education is a tool. But a workman who attacks a job
without the necessary tool is likely to be damned inefficient.
On 3/16/2025 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Students don't attend college to learn much that will later be useful.
At best, students learn the basics. ...
I'm not going to attempt to assign the blame or offer solutions for
the problem. Well, maybe just a small attempt. (Frank will probably
hate me). Most colleges are designed to manufacture academics who
will eventually become teachers.
Perhaps that's true. I can't speak for "most colleges" and I have close >knowledge about only a few fields of study, based on my experiences,
those of my kids and siblings. IOW, a small sample. Engineering,
chemistry, computer science, nursing and poetry.
So you may be correct about majors such as history, political science, >philosophy, art appreciation etc. But based on that small sample of
field I listed, I'd say you're wrong.
About my program, you're 100% flat wrong about the "designed to
manufacture academics." As one piece of evidence, we rarely offered
junior and senior level courses in the daytime. Why? Because by the time
they were juniors, most of our students were already employed in their
field at least part time. That's largely why I ended up teaching so many >evening courses.
And to get specific: I developed our Robotics course and laboratory in
1986, when industrial robots were first beginning to surge. We used real >industrial robots (not laboratory toys or online virtual robots) and I >attended a robotics school along with a roomful of engineers from Ford.
I consulted with them about what our course should contain, and as
always I consulted with our Industrial Advisory Committee. One major
piece of advice was to NOT build a course on how to design robots, or
the details of the mathematical transforms used to control the robot's
many joints, etc. The advice was to put heavy emphasis on how to use a >purchased robot in practical ways to get a task done robotically. (As I
told my students: There may have been a few dozen engineers in the U.S >designing robots. There would probably be need for thousands of
engineers who knew how to use them.)
And indeed, the wife of one of my graduates (they married when both were >seniors in my program) came back to visit and explained how her husband
had gotten great recognition in his company when he took over and
succeeded at a robotics project that a previous engineer had called >"Impossible." Her husband told her "It's exactly like the big project we
did in Krygowski's lab!"
Of course a person must not stop learning upon graduation. But as the
wife of another graduate relayed to me, "My husband said 'Krygowski
taught us how to learn.'"
I know there are engineering programs that study robotics more as
theoretical systems. We were purposely much more practical. The same >philosophy was at work in the rest of our curriculum.
I can't give as much detail about the other degrees and educations
earned by other family members and listed above. I won't compromise
their privacy, but I'll note that each of the people is professionally >successful in their field (even the poet) and could not have had that
success without their education.
Again, I agree education is a tool. But a workman who attacks a job
without the necessary tool is likely to be damned inefficient.
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. It can be
greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the person still has to work
to achieve it. Doing that successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few denizens who think
they can accomplish just as much without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
On Sat Mar 15 08:09:38 2025 John B. wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what does a "productive engineer" do?
--
Cheers,
For one thing, he actually knows what engineering is.
Remember when Liebermann and
Flunky demanded me to "prove" I was an engineer by showing how many patents I had?
They might as well asked you to prove how important your were in the same manner. Crew Chiefs were an integral part of a team to maintain the airworthiness of an aircraft But that had to be said about every member in the chain.
We can saythat you could outline evertything you did in a day, but from Flunky we get nothing but generalizations.
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:51:41 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
I often did some of my best work while sleeping
I'm sure you still do.
LOL
[]'s
On Sun Mar 16 10:30:07 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:01:59 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Remember when Liebermann and Flunky demanded me to "prove" I was an engineer by showing how many patents I had?
I did no such things. I don't demand. I politely ask.
I do recall searching the US patent and trademark office database for
"Kunich". 59 hits, none of them resembling Tom Kunich or Thomas
Kunich.
<https://ppubs.uspto.gov/pubwebapp/static/pages/ppubsbasic.html>
Don't you ever get tired of lying?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question>
Don't you ever get tired of attempting to inject virues in the computers of other people?
On Sat Mar 15 06:23:17 2025 zen cycle wrote:
Quick mental exercise
take the term "productive xxxxx" where "xxxxx" is any profession you
wish, then consider what a person in that profession would need to do in
order to qualify as "productive".
I'm really getting tired of doing homework for you, tommy, and the dumbass.
Isn't it strange that you're not even bright enough toi realize that question was from John, who like me did real work?
On Sat Mar 15 15:04:21 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2025 14:23:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/15/2025 9:28 AM, AMuzi wrote:Years ago, a woman read one of my books, or at least part of one. She
On 3/14/2025 10:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
If my department hiring committee were looking for a full time
professor, or if I were hiring a part timer, we'd reject anyone whose >>>>>>> communications included words like "elszwhere" or "arroused" or
"jnterviewing" OR "mowt orf."
After all, there is nothing more important than correct spelling on a >>>>>> newsgroup.
Most of us here handle that with barely a thought.
John is always misspelling "college" as "collage" (which is an artwork >>>>> assembled from parts) and I've seen many people confuse "loose" and
"lose", but their mistakes are a tiny fraction of yours.
It makes a person wonder whether you have very low standards, or
whether you're incapable of normal accuracy. Either possibility is
probably fatal for a job application.
We'll see, I guess. Let us know when you're _actually_ working and
getting paid by this company. If you don't, we can discuss whether the >>>>> "offer" was only as real as the dent in your top tube, or whether they >>>>> ultimately rejected you.
While I do notice usage, grammar and spelling (I read the newspaper pen >>>> in hand) such as errant or superfluous apostrophes, who/whom, the all
too common 'indexes' for 'indices' and so on, drawing attention to
others' writing eccentricities is usually picayune and borders on snarky. >>>>
Except when there's some shared humor to be found!
I almost always ignore misspellings here. It does require a bit of self
control, because my work history makes the "correction" reflex strong.
Part of my job was to correct and grade student work, and I corrected
_all_ of it. Even for a solution to a mathematical problem, if a student >>> misspelled a word, I'd circle it.
Note that I've never bothered to correct John's "collage" even though he >>> spells it that way every time.
Vaguely related: Among the private emails Jobst and I traded, there were >>> two times he offered me advice on English sentence structure, when he
thought I could have expressed myself better. I was, shall we say, bemused. >>
claimed to be a professional developmental/content editor and wanted
permission to copy several pages of that book and edit if for free.
Presumably to convince me to hire her At that point the book had been
proofread and didn't need a proofreader/copy editor.
He version added tons of what I call garbage content, including way
too many descriptions of places and characters.
I wasn't going to hire her anyway....
I want my stories to move fast. I do my best to follow Hemingway's
advice...
....leave out unnecessary words and leave out information that the
reader can figure out for themselves.
It is sort of comical that Frank has a criticism of Jobst who wrote a number of books in English that didn't require proofreading and from which there were more errors in the publishers proofs than the few from Jobst.
Frank whose comments are often stupid
and who hasn't wriiten one book says that corrections to his grammar by multiple published author bemuses him because he assumes as a native English speaker he is more competent than a multilingual person such as Jobst.
In some requards Jobst was a real asshole but his intelligence was never in question as Krygowski would have you believe.
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:51:41 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
I often did some of my best work while sleeping
I'm sure you still do.
LOL
[]'s
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. It
can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the person
still has to work to achieve it. Doing that successfully is
an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few denizens
who think they can accomplish just as much without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 23:33:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Students don't attend college to learn much that will later be useful.
At best, students learn the basics. ...
I'm not going to attempt to assign the blame or offer solutions for
the problem. Well, maybe just a small attempt. (Frank will probably
hate me). Most colleges are designed to manufacture academics who
will eventually become teachers.
Perhaps that's true. I can't speak for "most colleges" and I have close
knowledge about only a few fields of study, based on my experiences,
those of my kids and siblings. IOW, a small sample. Engineering,
chemistry, computer science, nursing and poetry.
So you may be correct about majors such as history, political science,
philosophy, art appreciation etc. But based on that small sample of
field I listed, I'd say you're wrong.
About my program, you're 100% flat wrong about the "designed to
manufacture academics." As one piece of evidence, we rarely offered
junior and senior level courses in the daytime. Why? Because by the time
they were juniors, most of our students were already employed in their
field at least part time. That's largely why I ended up teaching so many
evening courses.
Ok, I'm wrong. I guess things have changed when I wasn't watching.
"Education was once the No. 1 major for college students. Now it's an afterthought." <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/education-majors-colleges-decline-teacher-pay/> "Even as the population of college students has increased by 150%
since 1970, the number of bachelor's degrees in education has
plummeted by almost 50% - a steeper drop than that for English,
literature and foreign language majors."
Or, maybe the college students I've known follow a different star. All
I have to offer is anecdotal evidence. The San Lorenzo Valley tends
to attract students because it's a low income housing area. Few of
them have jobs. I'm a member of two local amateur radio clubs, and a
Linux computer club. These tend to attract UCSC students and
graduates. I know two graduates who went on to obtain their
doctorates and are now doing some kind of teaching at UCSC.
And to get specific: I developed our Robotics course and laboratory in
1986, when industrial robots were first beginning to surge. We used real
industrial robots (not laboratory toys or online virtual robots) and I
attended a robotics school along with a roomful of engineers from Ford.
I consulted with them about what our course should contain, and as
always I consulted with our Industrial Advisory Committee. One major
piece of advice was to NOT build a course on how to design robots, or
the details of the mathematical transforms used to control the robot's
many joints, etc. The advice was to put heavy emphasis on how to use a
purchased robot in practical ways to get a task done robotically. (As I
told my students: There may have been a few dozen engineers in the U.S
designing robots. There would probably be need for thousands of
engineers who knew how to use them.)
And indeed, the wife of one of my graduates (they married when both were
seniors in my program) came back to visit and explained how her husband
had gotten great recognition in his company when he took over and
succeeded at a robotics project that a previous engineer had called
"Impossible." Her husband told her "It's exactly like the big project we
did in Krygowski's lab!"
Of course a person must not stop learning upon graduation. But as the
wife of another graduate relayed to me, "My husband said 'Krygowski
taught us how to learn.'"
I know there are engineering programs that study robotics more as
theoretical systems. We were purposely much more practical. The same
philosophy was at work in the rest of our curriculum.
Sorry, but I have very limited experience with robotics (CNC) and
can't really comment on robotics.
I can't give as much detail about the other degrees and educations
earned by other family members and listed above. I won't compromise
their privacy, but I'll note that each of the people is professionally
successful in their field (even the poet) and could not have had that
success without their education.
True. A diploma, a good education and relevant experience makes
success and higher earnings far more likely.
<https://www.umassglobal.edu/news-and-events/blog/how-college-impacts-salary-and-future-earning-potential>
"According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor, bachelor’s degree holders earn
68% more than those with only a high school diploma."
"Earnings and Unemployment rates by educational attainment, 2023" <https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2024/data-on-display/education-pays.htm>
Again, I agree education is a tool. But a workman who attacks a job
without the necessary tool is likely to be damned inefficient.
Education can also be a weapon. Education can be used for the general
good and for personal benefit. However, it can also be used for evil
and personal detriment. For example, I consider working on military
devices and weapons of mass destruction to be in the latter category.
Drivel: I have a headache and need to stop writing.
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. It can be
greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the person still has to
work to achieve it. Doing that successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few denizens who think
they can accomplish just as much without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or all can be
true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in their
repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much from the same
background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that his science >accomplishments alone would have won Nobel Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was great and he >learned it all himself. So I don't need no schooling."
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Sun Mar 16 16:28:48 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
Liebermann's a tool.
I do understand that last argument, but in our actual real
world a nation with insufficient defense quickly becomes not
a nation at all; dead or enslaved.
US defense is as full of corruption, self dealing, waste and
inefficiency as everything else (such as road building or
the education racket or the Medical Billing racket) but
defense is still necessary, despite inefficiency.
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 22:40:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
Education can also be a weapon. Education can be used for the general
good and for personal benefit. However, it can also be used for evil
and personal detriment. For example, I consider working on military >>devices and weapons of mass destruction to be in the latter category.
Why ever did you immigrate to the U.S. At war with someone.some where
for 90% or more of their history. Even Israel has to stretch to keep
up with them :-)
Drivel: I have a headache and need to stop writing.
On Sun Mar 16 19:12:07 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:51:41 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
I often did some of my best work while sleeping
My wife has nightmares while I solve problems.
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 09:37:34 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
I do understand that last argument, but in our actual real
world a nation with insufficient defense quickly becomes not
a nation at all; dead or enslaved.
US defense is as full of corruption, self dealing, waste and
inefficiency as everything else (such as road building or
the education racket or the Medical Billing racket) but
defense is still necessary, despite inefficiency.
I agree. It's difficult to win an argument (or a war) from a position
of weakness. That was the logic from the Cold War era, where the
country or bloc with the most atomic bombs would inevitably "win".
That translated into which bloc could spend the most on weapons. The
Cold War ended when the Eastern bloc ran out of money (and credit).
The argument still holds validity, but the players seem to have agreed
to limit the scale and scope of arms buildup. Whether that will
insure peace any better than uncontrolled military buildup is
uncertain. I'm not worried about nations armed with atomic weapons.
I'm worried about smaller nations inventing ways to weaponize
literally everything.
Hopefully, I won't live long enough to see the next war. It probably
won't be pretty. I don't know how to stop a trend that started with tribalism and seems to be growing out of control. The next war will
not have any winners.
The people I was working for gave me an award for being an official egg-head. Flunky simply has egg on his face.
On Mon Mar 17 11:22:38 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:10:39 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 22:40:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
Education can also be a weapon. Education can be used for the general
good and for personal benefit. However, it can also be used for evil
and personal detriment. For example, I consider working on military
devices and weapons of mass destruction to be in the latter category.
Why ever did you immigrate to the U.S. At war with someone.some where
for 90% or more of their history. Even Israel has to stretch to keep
up with them :-)
Immigration to US wasn't my decision. I was 5 or 6 years old when my
parents dragged me kicking and screaming to the land where the streets
are paved with gold. Actually, after WWII and the concentration
camps, the US looked much better than all the other countries that had
been trashed by WWII. Almost every displaced Jew wanted to relocate
to Israel after WWII. Most of my relatives went to Israel. A few
idiots went back to Poland or worse. The problem was that the British
"owned" Israel and didn't like the idea of a mass Jewish exodus to the
promised land. They didn't allow immigration to Israel until 1948,
the year I was born:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine>
What's different about US wars is that most of them involved fighting
someone else's war or revolution as a result of entangled alliances.
Other countries had the same problem, but were generally smart enough
to default on their promises when the results of a war or revolution
were not guaranteed.
Drivel: I have a headache and need to stop writing.
John, could you make heads or tails of that? At that time the great horror story of the time was the takeover of the USSR of Poland and the almost equal belief of the Russians and Germans of Jews. But at 6 years old and Europe being a HUGE wreck thattook until the late 90's to repair Liebermann tells us that he had to be dragged away from the wreckage kicking and screaming. Seems to me he learned not one thing from that experience other than a morbid fear of the military that freed him from the
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 09:37:34 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
I do understand that last argument, but in our actual real
world a nation with insufficient defense quickly becomes not
a nation at all; dead or enslaved.
US defense is as full of corruption, self dealing, waste and
inefficiency as everything else (such as road building or
the education racket or the Medical Billing racket) but
defense is still necessary, despite inefficiency.
I agree. It's difficult to win an argument (or a war) from a position
of weakness. That was the logic from the Cold War era, where the
country or bloc with the most atomic bombs would inevitably "win".
That translated into which bloc could spend the most on weapons. The
Cold War ended when the Eastern bloc ran out of money (and credit).
The argument still holds validity, but the players seem to have agreed
to limit the scale and scope of arms buildup. Whether that will
insure peace any better than uncontrolled military buildup is
uncertain. I'm not worried about nations armed with atomic weapons.
I'm worried about smaller nations inventing ways to weaponize
literally everything.
Hopefully, I won't live long enough to see the next war. It probably
won't be pretty. I don't know how to stop a trend that started with >tribalism and seems to be growing out of control. The next war will
not have any winners.
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 09:37:34 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
I do understand that last argument, but in our actual real
world a nation with insufficient defense quickly becomes not
a nation at all; dead or enslaved.
US defense is as full of corruption, self dealing, waste and
inefficiency as everything else (such as road building or
the education racket or the Medical Billing racket) but
defense is still necessary, despite inefficiency.
I agree. It's difficult to win an argument (or a war) from a position
of weakness. That was the logic from the Cold War era, where the
country or bloc with the most atomic bombs would inevitably "win".
That translated into which bloc could spend the most on weapons. The
Cold War ended when the Eastern bloc ran out of money (and credit).
The argument still holds validity, but the players seem to have agreed
to limit the scale and scope of arms buildup. Whether that will
insure peace any better than uncontrolled military buildup is
uncertain. I'm not worried about nations armed with atomic weapons.
I'm worried about smaller nations inventing ways to weaponize
literally everything.
Hopefully, I won't live long enough to see the next war. It probably
won't be pretty. I don't know how to stop a trend that started with >tribalism and seems to be growing out of control. The next war will
not have any winners.
On Mon Mar 17 16:12:53 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 15:20:39 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun Mar 16 19:12:07 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:51:41 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
I often did some of my best work while sleeping
My wife has nightmares while I solve problems.
I'm sure she does.I hope your solutions don't cause any damage
that can't be repaired,
Why no comments when I gave you the confession of the mobster who actually killed John Kennedy for the CIA? Robert Kennedy Jr. SAW the assassinated body of his father. Every shot from Sirhan Sirhan missed and his fatheer was shot twice in the back atvery close range by another CIA operative. This was who was really running America under the Democrats. What do you suppose they were doing in Argentina?
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:43:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hopefully, I won't live long enough to see the next war. It probably
won't be pretty. I don't know how to stop a trend that started with >>tribalism and seems to be growing out of control. The next war will
not have any winners.
The machines might win ....though we would have to re-define
"win".
If AI does take over it could probably kill every single human
on the planet. Even more deadly than an atomic war.
PS Migraines are rare at you age. See a doctor.
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:18:31 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:43:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>wrote:
Hopefully, I won't live long enough to see the next war. It probably >>>won't be pretty. I don't know how to stop a trend that started with >>>tribalism and seems to be growing out of control. The next war will
not have any winners.
The machines might win ....though we would have to re-define
"win".
I think it more likely that various pathogens might take over after
the machines are done helping humanity exterminating itself. The >evolutionary cycle then repeats. After a few million years, some form
of allegedly intelligent life evolves into something resembling
humanity appears and immediately proceeds to repeat all the old
mistakes again, and again, and again, etc.
If AI does take over it could probably kill every single human
on the planet. Even more deadly than an atomic war.
An AI apocalypse might be more entertaining, but humanity already has >everything it needs to exterminate itself. Plugging up all the sewers
and toilets for a few weeks might do the job.
PS Migraines are rare at you age. See a doctor.
I'm 77 years old. It's too mild a headache to be a migraine and I
don't recall ever having a migraine. I don't have a primary care
physician. I've been looking for someone for several years but
haven't found anyone who can tolerate me, is accepting new patients,
and accepts Medicare patients. To be honest, I'm not anxious to find
a primary care physician. I believe that the major reason I'm still
alive today is that I DON'T have a primary care physician.
An interesting coincidence is that I visited my cardiologist on
Friday. They were running about one hour behind (as usual) causing me
to spend too much time in the waiting room. I probably caught
something while waiting. If that wasn't the cause, I had a blood draw
4 days previously, which is another possible source of infection.
Thanks for the advice. If it gets worse, I might see a doctor. If
I'm stable or recovering, I'll do nothing more than take some feel
good pills.
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:18:31 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:43:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>wrote:
Hopefully, I won't live long enough to see the next war. It probably >>>won't be pretty. I don't know how to stop a trend that started with >>>tribalism and seems to be growing out of control. The next war will
not have any winners.
The machines might win ....though we would have to re-define
"win".
I think it more likely that various pathogens might take over after
the machines are done helping humanity exterminating itself. The >evolutionary cycle then repeats. After a few million years, some form
of allegedly intelligent life evolves into something resembling
humanity appears and immediately proceeds to repeat all the old
mistakes again, and again, and again, etc.
If AI does take over it could probably kill every single human
on the planet. Even more deadly than an atomic war.
An AI apocalypse might be more entertaining, but humanity already has >everything it needs to exterminate itself. Plugging up all the sewers
and toilets for a few weeks might do the job.
PS Migraines are rare at you age. See a doctor.
I'm 77 years old. It's too mild a headache to be a migraine and I
don't recall ever having a migraine. I don't have a primary care
physician. I've been looking for someone for several years but
haven't found anyone who can tolerate me, is accepting new patients,
and accepts Medicare patients. To be honest, I'm not anxious to find
a primary care physician. I believe that the major reason I'm still
alive today is that I DON'T have a primary care physician.
cardiologist. Dizzy --> neurologist. Cough --> pneumologist. Itmakes medicine much more expensive and more often that not people
An interesting coincidence is that I visited my cardiologist on
Friday. They were running about one hour behind (as usual) causing me
to spend too much time in the waiting room. I probably caught
something while waiting. If that wasn't the cause, I had a blood draw
4 days previously, which is another possible source of infection.
Thanks for the advice. If it gets worse, I might see a doctor. If
I'm stable or recovering, I'll do nothing more than take some feel
good pills.
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 15:21:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:18:31 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:43:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
Hopefully, I won't live long enough to see the next war. It probably >>>>won't be pretty. I don't know how to stop a trend that started with >>>>tribalism and seems to be growing out of control. The next war will >>>>not have any winners.
The machines might win ....though we would have to re-define
"win".
I think it more likely that various pathogens might take over after
the machines are done helping humanity exterminating itself. The >>evolutionary cycle then repeats. After a few million years, some form
of allegedly intelligent life evolves into something resembling
humanity appears and immediately proceeds to repeat all the old
mistakes again, and again, and again, etc.
If AI does take over it could probably kill every single human
on the planet. Even more deadly than an atomic war.
An AI apocalypse might be more entertaining, but humanity already has >>everything it needs to exterminate itself. Plugging up all the sewers
and toilets for a few weeks might do the job.
PS Migraines are rare at you age. See a doctor.
I'm 77 years old. It's too mild a headache to be a migraine and I
don't recall ever having a migraine. I don't have a primary care >>physician. I've been looking for someone for several years but
haven't found anyone who can tolerate me, is accepting new patients,
and accepts Medicare patients. To be honest, I'm not anxious to find
a primary care physician. I believe that the major reason I'm still
alive today is that I DON'T have a primary care physician.
That's a pity. The best medical systems use primary care as a
base. Everyone wants to go directly to a specialist. Pain in the chest
cardiologist. Dizzy --> neurologist. Cough --> pneumologist. Itmakes medicine much more expensive and more often that not people
choose the wrong specialist.
An interesting coincidence is that I visited my cardiologist on
Friday. They were running about one hour behind (as usual) causing me
to spend too much time in the waiting room. I probably caught
something while waiting. If that wasn't the cause, I had a blood draw
4 days previously, which is another possible source of infection.
I wasn't thinking infection, I was thinking vascular. An
infection would have fever/chills/stuffy nose/whatever which you would
have mentioned.
Thanks for the advice. If it gets worse, I might see a doctor. If
I'm stable or recovering, I'll do nothing more than take some feel
good pills.
LOL. Send me some.... I have no idea what they are.
[]'s
On 3/17/2025 6:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I believe that the major reason I'm still
alive today is that I DON'T have a primary care physician.
That's odd. Based on two exciting experiences, I believe I might not be
alive now if I hadn't had a good primary care physician.
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
On 3/17/2025 1:22 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Mar 16 23:01:50 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. It can be
greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the person still has to work
to achieve it. Doing that successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few denizens who think
they can accomplish just as much without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
So you're agreeing that an engineer can be self taught? I thought that you'd never agree to that!
I'm responding only because if I don't, you'll claim I said something I >didn't.
Can a person self-educate and become a licensed and officially
recognized engineer? AFAIK that's not possible.
Can a person learn enough stuff on his own to do some vaguely >engineering-related tasks and call himself an engineer? Yes, you seem to
have done that. But you were not an engineer, and the jobs you've
bragged about do not meet the definition of engineering.
Can a person give himself an engineering education equivalent to what
he'd get in an accredited engineering program, and be as effective and >versatile as a graduate of such a program? I'd say unless he's the
mental equivalent of Isaac Newton, his chances are very close to zero.
Maybe not absolute zero, but within one millionth of zero.
And you, Tom, are nowhere near intelligent enough to pull off such a feat.
On 3/17/2025 1:22 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sun Mar 16 23:01:50 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. It can be
greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the person still has to work
to achieve it. Doing that successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few denizens who think
they can accomplish just as much without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
So you're agreeing that an engineer can be self taught? I thought that
you'd never agree to that!
I'm responding only because if I don't, you'll claim I said something I didn't.
Can a person self-educate and become a licensed and officially
recognized engineer? AFAIK that's not possible.
Can a person learn enough stuff on his own to do some vaguely engineering-related tasks and call himself an engineer? Yes, you seem to
have done that. But you were not an engineer, and the jobs you've
bragged about do not meet the definition of engineering.
Can a person give himself an engineering education equivalent to what
he'd get in an accredited engineering program, and be as effective and versatile as a graduate of such a program? I'd say unless he's the
mental equivalent of Isaac Newton, his chances are very close to zero.
Maybe not absolute zero, but within one millionth of zero.
And you, Tom, are nowhere near intelligent enough to pull off such a feat.
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:22:38 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:10:39 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 22:40:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
Education can also be a weapon. Education can be used for the general >>>> good and for personal benefit. However, it can also be used for evil
and personal detriment. For example, I consider working on military
devices and weapons of mass destruction to be in the latter category.
Why ever did you immigrate to the U.S. At war with someone.some where
for 90% or more of their history. Even Israel has to stretch to keep
up with them :-)
Immigration to US wasn't my decision. I was 5 or 6 years old when my
parents dragged me kicking and screaming to the land where the streets
are paved with gold. Actually, after WWII and the concentration
camps, the US looked much better than all the other countries that had
been trashed by WWII. Almost every displaced Jew wanted to relocate
to Israel after WWII. Most of my relatives went to Israel. A few
idiots went back to Poland or worse. The problem was that the British
"owned" Israel and didn't like the idea of a mass Jewish exodus to the
promised land. They didn't allow immigration to Israel until 1948,
the year I was born:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine>
What's different about US wars is that most of them involved fighting
someone else's war or revolution as a result of entangled alliances.
Other countries had the same problem, but were generally smart enough
to default on their promises when the results of a war or revolution
were not guaranteed.
Drivel: I have a headache and need to stop writing.
Read some history. The bulk of U.S. "wars" were not defense from
attack, but rather the opposite.
On Mon Mar 17 07:58:42 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 3/16/2025 1:01 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Mar 15 08:09:38 2025 John B. wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what does a "productive engineer" do?
--
Cheers,
For one thing, he actually knows what engineering is.
that leaves you out, mr. "pwm is used to test cables".
Remember when Liebermann and
Flunky demanded me to "prove" I was an engineer by showing how many patents I had?
I don't remember jeff ever asking for your patents, he may have.
I've never asked for your patents. There's no need. The blindingly
ignorant statements you make are more than enough for me to know that
you were never an engineer.
They might as well asked you to prove how important your were in the same manner. Crew Chiefs were an integral part of a team to maintain the airworthiness of an aircraft But that had to be said about every member in the chain.
We can saythat you could outline evertything you did in a day, but from Flunky we get nothing but generalizations.
Want some detail? sure. One of the tasks I'm currently leading are lab
tests on a new product to document thermal characteristics of intrinsic
safety protective components on Zone 0 outputs under both internal and
external fault conditions of the new product we're releasing. The math
shows we're within the safety margins but it's close enough that the
regulatory agency wants empirical data.
I'm also running the root cause failure analysis (technical segment of
an 8D analysis) on some customer returns that all exhibited the same
failure within a few days of each other. The Intrinsic Safety protection
resistors on one output sensor drive channel literally burned out (same
channel on 4 units). This is a failure that has never been recorded in
the 40+ year history of the product (current customer installed base of
nearly 50,000 units), so we're doubtful it's a design flaw, but need to
prove it.
Another nagging issue is working with the Firmware engineer to mitigate
bit error rates on a Maxim (formerly Dallas Semiconductor) 1-wire
communication protocol that needs to go through an Intrinsic Safety
barrier. The barrier inherently pushes the electrical tolerance limits
for error free communication, but we're hamstrung by the barrier
requirements, so we're working on a firmware solution.
Then of course there are the numerous regulatory updates I deal with on
a regular basis, including my participation on a few technical
committees (one UL, two IEC) reviewing and updating various Hazard
Location standards.
That's a snapshot of what a productive engineer does. They don't make
claims about PWM being use to test cables of that 'light lines' are a
common term for fiber optic data cables.
You mindless dumbshit,
you agreed with every word that Liebermann said
even when he was criticizing you
On Mon Mar 17 08:05:48 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 3/16/2025 6:12 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 16:51:41 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
I often did some of my best work while sleeping
I'm sure you still do.
LOL
[]'s
That's because he couldn't fuck anything up when he was asleep
Are you implying that you were asleep when you claimed to have had 2, 200 mile rides at an average speed of 20 mph?
Or pretending that you could take 29th place out of a field of 100 in the Sea Otter as my 45 year old brother did?
Flunky you get more pitiful by the posting.
On Mon Mar 17 13:08:04 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:53 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 12:48:28 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
Zen never claimed that, Tom. The entire idea came out of your dreams.
Interesting that Krygowski is answering to Flunky.
Interesting that you've never shown us the post proving your weird claims. >>
As with your miraculously healed tubing dent, absolutely nobody here is
believing you. I can't imagine why you think you should keep playing the
fool.
So now you show yourself incapable of using Usenet.
On Mon Mar 17 08:13:45 2025 zen cycle wrote:
I don't ever recall Frank drawing Jobsts' intellectual capacity into
question. It's just another kunich lie.
Because you have a problem with English doesn't mean that everyone does.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 05:44:41 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 9:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:22:38 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:10:39 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 22:40:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
Education can also be a weapon. Education can be used for the general >>>>>> good and for personal benefit. However, it can also be used for evil >>>>>> and personal detriment. For example, I consider working on military >>>>>> devices and weapons of mass destruction to be in the latter category. >>>>>Why ever did you immigrate to the U.S. At war with someone.some where >>>>> for 90% or more of their history. Even Israel has to stretch to keep >>>>> up with them :-)
Immigration to US wasn't my decision. I was 5 or 6 years old when my
parents dragged me kicking and screaming to the land where the streets >>>> are paved with gold. Actually, after WWII and the concentration
camps, the US looked much better than all the other countries that had >>>> been trashed by WWII. Almost every displaced Jew wanted to relocate
to Israel after WWII. Most of my relatives went to Israel. A few
idiots went back to Poland or worse. The problem was that the British >>>> "owned" Israel and didn't like the idea of a mass Jewish exodus to the >>>> promised land. They didn't allow immigration to Israel until 1948,
the year I was born:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine>
What's different about US wars is that most of them involved fighting
someone else's war or revolution as a result of entangled alliances.
Other countries had the same problem, but were generally smart enough
to default on their promises when the results of a war or revolution
were not guaranteed.
Drivel: I have a headache and need to stop writing.
Read some history. The bulk of U.S. "wars" were not defense from
attack, but rather the opposite.
I'm pretty sure that's what Jeff wrote.
"most of them involved fighting someone else's war or revolution as a
result of entangled alliances"
As I said, "Read some history"
April 25, 1846 – February 2, 1848) was an invasion of Mexico by the
United States Army.
Second Anglo-Chinese War or Arrow War,[3] was fought between the
United Kingdom and France against the Qing dynasty of China between
1856 and 1860. It was the second major conflict in the Opium Wars,
which were fought over the right to import opium to China,
The United States expedition to Korea, known in Korea as the
Shinmiyangyo (Korean: ????; Hanja: ????; lit. Western Disturbance in
the Shinmi Year) or simply the Korean Expedition, was an American
military action in Korea that took place predominantly on and around
Ganghwa Island in 1871.
The Spanish–American War[b] (April 21 – December 10, 1898) was fought between Spain and the United States in 1898.
The Philippine–American War,[13] known alternatively as the Philippine Insurrection, Filipino–American War,[b] or Tagalog
Insurgency,[14][15][16] emerged following the conclusion of the Spanish–American War in December 1898
The Boxer Rebellion, also known as the Boxer Uprising, was an
anti-foreign, anti-imperialist, and anti-Christian uprising in North
China between 1899 and 1901, towards the end of the Qing dynasty, by
the Society of Righteous and Harmonious Fists, known as the "Boxers"
The United States occupation of Haiti began on July 28, 1915, when 330
US Marines landed at Port-au-Prince, Haiti, after the National City
Bank of New York convinced the President of the United States, Woodrow Wilson, to take control of Haiti's political and financial interests.
And the list goes on and on and on.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in >>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and
boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how
many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in >>>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how
many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
On 3/17/2025 6:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I believe that the major reason I'm still
alive today is that I DON'T have a primary care physician.
That's odd. Based on two exciting experiences, I believe I
might not be alive now if I hadn't had a good primary care
physician.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in >>>>>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many >>>variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer,
and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on >>different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins
had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke.
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 >>>>> +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in >>>>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and
boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane
mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more
important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how
many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine
exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer,
and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on
different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins
had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in >>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and
boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in >>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and
boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how
many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 05:44:41 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 9:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:22:38 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:10:39 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 22:40:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
Education can also be a weapon. Education can be used for the general >>>>>> good and for personal benefit. However, it can also be used for evil >>>>>> and personal detriment. For example, I consider working on military >>>>>> devices and weapons of mass destruction to be in the latter category. >>>>>Why ever did you immigrate to the U.S. At war with someone.some where >>>>> for 90% or more of their history. Even Israel has to stretch to keep >>>>> up with them :-)
Immigration to US wasn't my decision. I was 5 or 6 years old when my
parents dragged me kicking and screaming to the land where the streets >>>> are paved with gold. Actually, after WWII and the concentration
camps, the US looked much better than all the other countries that had >>>> been trashed by WWII. Almost every displaced Jew wanted to relocate
to Israel after WWII. Most of my relatives went to Israel. A few
idiots went back to Poland or worse. The problem was that the British >>>> "owned" Israel and didn't like the idea of a mass Jewish exodus to the >>>> promised land. They didn't allow immigration to Israel until 1948,
the year I was born:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine>
What's different about US wars is that most of them involved fighting
someone else's war or revolution as a result of entangled alliances.
Other countries had the same problem, but were generally smart enough
to default on their promises when the results of a war or revolution
were not guaranteed.
Drivel: I have a headache and need to stop writing.
Read some history. The bulk of U.S. "wars" were not defense from
attack, but rather the opposite.
I'm pretty sure that's what Jeff wrote.
"most of them involved fighting someone else's war or revolution as a
result of entangled alliances"
As I said, "Read some history"
April 25, 1846 – February 2, 1848) was an invasion of Mexico by the
United States Army.
Second Anglo-Chinese War or Arrow War,[3] was fought between the
United Kingdom and France against the Qing dynasty of China between
1856 and 1860. It was the second major conflict in the Opium Wars,
which were fought over the right to import opium to China,
The United States expedition to Korea, known in Korea as the
Shinmiyangyo (Korean: ????; Hanja: ????; lit. Western Disturbance in
the Shinmi Year) or simply the Korean Expedition, was an American
military action in Korea that took place predominantly on and around
Ganghwa Island in 1871.
The Spanish–American War[b] (April 21 – December 10, 1898) was fought between Spain and the United States in 1898.
The Philippine–American War,[13] known alternatively as the Philippine Insurrection, Filipino–American War,[b] or Tagalog
Insurgency,[14][15][16] emerged following the conclusion of the Spanish–American War in December 1898
The Boxer Rebellion, also known as the Boxer Uprising, was an
anti-foreign, anti-imperialist, and anti-Christian uprising in North
China between 1899 and 1901, towards the end of the Qing dynasty, by
the Society of Righteous and Harmonious Fists, known as the "Boxers"
The United States occupation of Haiti began on July 28, 1915, when 330
US Marines landed at Port-au-Prince, Haiti, after the National City
Bank of New York convinced the President of the United States, Woodrow Wilson, to take control of Haiti's political and financial interests.
And the list goes on and on and on.
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in >>>>>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many >>>variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer,
and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on >>different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins
had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke.
On 3/17/2025 9:49 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 6:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I believe that the major reason I'm still
alive today is that I DON'T have a primary care physician.
That's odd. Based on two exciting experiences, I believe I
might not be alive now if I hadn't had a good primary care
physician.
As with university professors or bicycle mechanics, the
good ones are diligent, thorough and effective. The other
half not so much.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025
08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane
mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer,
and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on
different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins
had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke.
There was a joke about Harley riders hiring someone in pickup truck to
go behind them and pick up parts that vibrated off.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 3/18/2025 3:05 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in >>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and
boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I happen to know an FAA cert aircraft mechanic. Training,
testing, certification and continuing education are quite
rigorous. (Moreso than for an attorney but less than for a
brain surgeon)
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 9:49 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 6:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I believe that the major reason I'm still
alive today is that I DON'T have a primary care physician.
That's odd. Based on two exciting experiences, I believe I
might not be alive now if I hadn't had a good primary care
physician.
As with university professors or bicycle mechanics, the
good ones are diligent, thorough and effective. The other
half not so much.
In my experience kinda depends on your situation I�m somewhat a specialist >subject so GP tend to be a bit befuddled about me as they are generalist.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 06:27:46 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 6:23 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 05:44:41 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 9:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:22:38 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:10:39 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 22:40:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
Education can also be a weapon. Education can be used for the general >>>>>>>> good and for personal benefit. However, it can also be used for evil >>>>>>>> and personal detriment. For example, I consider working on military >>>>>>>> devices and weapons of mass destruction to be in the latter category. >>>>>>>Why ever did you immigrate to the U.S. At war with someone.some where >>>>>>> for 90% or more of their history. Even Israel has to stretch to keep >>>>>>> up with them :-)
Immigration to US wasn't my decision. I was 5 or 6 years old when my >>>>>> parents dragged me kicking and screaming to the land where the streets >>>>>> are paved with gold. Actually, after WWII and the concentration
camps, the US looked much better than all the other countries that had >>>>>> been trashed by WWII. Almost every displaced Jew wanted to relocate >>>>>> to Israel after WWII. Most of my relatives went to Israel. A few >>>>>> idiots went back to Poland or worse. The problem was that the British >>>>>> "owned" Israel and didn't like the idea of a mass Jewish exodus to the >>>>>> promised land. They didn't allow immigration to Israel until 1948, >>>>>> the year I was born:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine>
What's different about US wars is that most of them involved fighting >>>>>> someone else's war or revolution as a result of entangled alliances. >>>>>> Other countries had the same problem, but were generally smart enough >>>>>> to default on their promises when the results of a war or revolution >>>>>> were not guaranteed.
Drivel: I have a headache and need to stop writing.
Read some history. The bulk of U.S. "wars" were not defense from
attack, but rather the opposite.
I'm pretty sure that's what Jeff wrote.
"most of them involved fighting someone else's war or revolution as a
result of entangled alliances"
As I said, "Read some history"
April 25, 1846 – February 2, 1848) was an invasion of Mexico by the
United States Army.
Second Anglo-Chinese War or Arrow War,[3] was fought between the
United Kingdom and France against the Qing dynasty of China between
1856 and 1860. It was the second major conflict in the Opium Wars,
which were fought over the right to import opium to China,
The United States expedition to Korea, known in Korea as the
Shinmiyangyo (Korean: ????; Hanja: ????; lit. Western Disturbance in
the Shinmi Year) or simply the Korean Expedition, was an American
military action in Korea that took place predominantly on and around
Ganghwa Island in 1871.
The Spanish–American War[b] (April 21 – December 10, 1898) was fought >>> between Spain and the United States in 1898.
The Philippine–American War,[13] known alternatively as the Philippine >>> Insurrection, Filipino–American War,[b] or Tagalog
Insurgency,[14][15][16] emerged following the conclusion of the
Spanish–American War in December 1898
The Boxer Rebellion, also known as the Boxer Uprising, was an
anti-foreign, anti-imperialist, and anti-Christian uprising in North
China between 1899 and 1901, towards the end of the Qing dynasty, by
the Society of Righteous and Harmonious Fists, known as the "Boxers"
The United States occupation of Haiti began on July 28, 1915, when 330
US Marines landed at Port-au-Prince, Haiti, after the National City
Bank of New York convinced the President of the United States, Woodrow
Wilson, to take control of Haiti's political and financial interests.
And the list goes on and on and on.
I'm pretty sure that's what Jeff wrote.
"most of them involved fighting someone else's war or revolution as a
result of entangled alliances"
That sounds very nice and is true in a rather strange manner -
The Spanish–American War. Supposedly over the sinking of the USS
Maine... although a rather large studies of the Maine subsequently
shown that the ship was not attacked or damaged by any outside action
The china wars...no they weren't the largest unit the British were, I believe,. largely to ensure that the trade in Opium was not outlawed
as the Chinese Government had ordered.
And on and on.
On 18 Mar 2025 13:03:26 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 9:49 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 6:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I believe that the major reason I'm still
alive today is that I DON'T have a primary care physician.
That's odd. Based on two exciting experiences, I believe I
might not be alive now if I hadn't had a good primary care
physician.
As with university professors or bicycle mechanics, the
good ones are diligent, thorough and effective. The other
half not so much.
In my experience kinda depends on your situation Im somewhat a specialist >> subject so GP tend to be a bit befuddled about me as they are generalist.
A good GP can diagnose (and treat, if the disease responds to
standard protocol medications) around 90% of all diseases. (I remember
the Queen's GP stating he could diagnose 94%, LOL).
A good GP will have enough experience to know when he has to
refer you to a specialist.
In your case he would probably refer you to a neurologist...
Most patients say a GP is "bad" or "incompetent" if they don't
agree with their own diagnosis.
Or sometimes a GP IS bad or incompetent.... Our local doctors
hired by "least salary" auctions are prime examples of that.
[]'s
PS Google gets around 80% of diagnosis right if you feed it
the most important symptoms. That means 20% of people that rely on
Google are taking the wrong medicine....
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025
08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane
mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer,
and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on
different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins
had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke.
To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in >>>>>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane
mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more
important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how
many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer,
and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on
different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins
had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke.
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025
08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on
different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke.
To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025
08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on
different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke.
To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
Doesn’t sound like a brilliant idea but I’m not going to pretend that this
is my area of expertise by any means!
Roger Merriman
accredited engineering programOn 18 Mar 2025 14:34:15 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025
08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little >>>>>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt >>>>>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I >>>>>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those >>>>>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on
different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke.
To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least >most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
Doesn�t sound like a brilliant idea but I�m not going to pretend that this
is my area of expertise by any means!
Roger Merriman
Am 18.03.2025 um 15:34 schrieb Roger Merriman:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 >>>>>>>>> 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>>>> secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>>>> falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>>>> falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on
different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke.
To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least >> most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
A 4-stroke engine needs its ignition at the end of stroke 1 (cylinder >compressed and full of fuel-air mix). At the end of stroke 3 (cylinder
at minimum volume but empty from pushing out the exhaust) there is
nothing to ignite so an igntion at this point of time have not use but
also no harm.
So with two cylinders offest by 180 degrees (boxer engine), you can skip
the distributor.
On Tue Mar 18 04:05:22 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and
boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
Didn't you say that you flew small private aircraft?
accredited engineering programOn 18 Mar 2025 14:34:15 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 >>>>>>>>> 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division, >>>>>>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I >>>>>>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it >>>>>>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the >>>>>>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>>>> secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>>>> falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>>>> falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on
different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke.
To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least >> most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
Doesn’t sound like a brilliant idea but I’m not going to pretend that this
is my area of expertise by any means!
Roger Merriman
Now *I* am confused. Maybe I had it wrong and they didn't fire both on
the same rotation. As I think about it now, that would make it sound
more like a one cylinder engine... Someday when care, I'll look it
up... Maybe someone here has the answer. My bad... I should have not mentioned it in the first place.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Tue Mar 18 05:58:55 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 3/17/2025 1:43 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 08:13:45 2025 zen cycle wrote:
I don't ever recall Frank drawing Jobsts' intellectual capacity into
question. It's just another kunich lie.
Because you have a problem with English doesn't mean that everyone does.
lol...shall we compare your (lack of) grammar and spelling and let
everyone decide for themselves?
You have nothing to work with. Your entire world is crying aboyut me
while you hide you name and that of your employer from us.
200 mile a day rides are so obviously a lie that you would try and pass that off shows exactly what you think of the peopld here.
Not to mention your absolute contempt for your employer.
My brother worked as an electrician for several companies before settling on a job as the electrician for the city. He now has retired at 55, has had a new house built in Reno,
Nevada while you're telling us how important you are.
Why you're so important all you can do is deny my wealth.
All you can deny is Obama's Great Rece4ssion
and tell us all how Obama was the greatest opresident who ever lived.
All this along with the bullshit that you were a registered Republican.
Obama just turned up in San Francisco to visit friends in the Castro.
Somehow those so-called children of his have disappeared
and Michelle is rich and off with her , uhum, friends.
There is still the question of how Obamna's stated net worth of $190,000 at election to over $200 million now.
Your queer hero
seems toi have gotten money from somewhee and probably out of your pocket from USAID.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:03:56 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<[email protected]> wrote:
Am 18.03.2025 um 15:34 schrieb Roger Merriman:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, >>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 >>>>>>>>>> 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>>>>> secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>>>>> falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>>>>> falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many >>>>>>> variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My >>>>>> Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on >>>>>> different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and >>>>>> pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't >>>>>> make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at >>>>> the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke. >>>>
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least >>> most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
A 4-stroke engine needs its ignition at the end of stroke 1 (cylinder
compressed and full of fuel-air mix). At the end of stroke 3 (cylinder
at minimum volume but empty from pushing out the exhaust) there is
nothing to ignite so an igntion at this point of time have not use but
also no harm.
So with two cylinders offest by 180 degrees (boxer engine), you can skip
the distributor.
Harley's are not boxers.
On 3/18/2025 10:32 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
accredited engineering programOn 18 Mar 2025 14:34:15 GMT, Roger
Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700,To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder
John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, >>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 >>>>>>>>>> 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. >>>>>>>>>>>> It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long >>>>>>>>>>>> division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> >>>>>>>>>>>> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and >>>>>>>>>>>> doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started >>>>>>>>>>>> ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did >>>>>>>>>>>> very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades >>>>>>>>>>>> on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think >>>>>>>>>>>> it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, >>>>>>>>>>>> but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and
trucks and
boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe >>>>>>>> more
important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits >>>>>>>> on how
many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion >>>>>>>> engine
exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>>>>> secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>>>>> falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>>>>> falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many >>>>>>> variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel,
boxer,
and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My >>>>>> Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on >>>>>> different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and >>>>>> pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton
vtwins
had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't >>>>>> make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at >>>>> the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke. >>>>
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at
least
most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
Doesn’t sound like a brilliant idea but I’m not going to pretend that >>> this
is my area of expertise by any means!
Roger Merriman
Now *I* am confused. Maybe I had it wrong and they didn't fire both on
the same rotation. As I think about it now, that would make it sound
more like a one cylinder engine... Someday when care, I'll look it
up... Maybe someone here has the answer. My bad... I should have not
mentioned it in the first place.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Relevant bits are at 5 minutes 20 seconds here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnEUT-Ml1lw
On 3/18/2025 12:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 10:32 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
accredited engineering programOn 18 Mar 2025 14:34:15
GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025
19:12:18 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025
07:22:33 -0400,
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue,
18 Mar 2025
08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a
tool.
It's both. Education can't be simply given
to a person.
It can be greatly helped by a competent
teacher, but the
person still has to work to achieve it.
Doing that
successfully is an accomplishment.
What's odd is that this discussion group
has a few
denizens who think they can accomplish just
as much
without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the
tools.
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.
That is, both or
all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with
gaping holes in
their repertoire (me) and others who
accomplished much
from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been
pointed out that
his science accomplishments alone would have
won Nobel
Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says
"Franklin was
great and he learned it all himself. So I
don't need no
schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most
cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude
and resources
vary so much that a certificate or a degree
may not hold a
good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education
broadly and
certification specifically. No one wants a
heart surgeon or
structural engineer who sorta gets the general
idea in his
field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I
reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of
pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and
"<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to
do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I
started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my
own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on
all the tests. The
ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much
of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was
learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and
experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses,
and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me
anyway.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference.
See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and
experimenting."
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on
cars and trucks and
boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles
and bicycles. I
didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic
(:-) Air plane
mechanizing is more a matter of doing work
correctly and maybe more
important not doing things wrong. For example there
are limits on how
many and what sort welds can be made in a steel
tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an
internal combustion engine
exhaust and so on and everything that might come
loose has to be
secures with safety wire, or other safety system to
avoid things
falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly
when parts start
falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but
there are many
variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are
parallel, boxer,
and offset V configurations and many different
versions of each. My
Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the
Harley's but fired on
different rotations while the Harley's fired both on
the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines'
unique sound and
pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The
early Norton vtwins
had offset crank pins to go with the offset V
cylinders. They don't
make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both
spark plugs at
the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on
the power stroke.
To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on
each cylinder
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the
correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after
the correct
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
How does that work then? If the first ignition has
ignited all or at least
most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
Doesn’t sound like a brilliant idea but I’m not going to
pretend that this
is my area of expertise by any means!
Roger Merriman
Now *I* am confused. Maybe I had it wrong and they didn't
fire both on
the same rotation. As I think about it now, that would
make it sound
more like a one cylinder engine... Someday when care,
I'll look it
up... Maybe someone here has the answer. My bad... I
should have not
mentioned it in the first place.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Relevant bits are at 5 minutes 20 seconds here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnEUT-Ml1lw
What could go wrong? :)
They should be using that as a demonstration exercise in
FMEDA classes
On 3/18/2025 10:32 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
accredited engineering programOn 18 Mar 2025 14:34:15 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, >>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 >>>>>>>>>> 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>>>>> secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>>>>> falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>>>>> falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many >>>>>>> variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My >>>>>> Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on >>>>>> different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and >>>>>> pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't >>>>>> make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at >>>>> the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke. >>>>
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least >>> most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
Doesn�t sound like a brilliant idea but I�m not going to pretend that this >>> is my area of expertise by any means!
Roger Merriman
Now *I* am confused. Maybe I had it wrong and they didn't fire both on
the same rotation. As I think about it now, that would make it sound
more like a one cylinder engine... Someday when care, I'll look it
up... Maybe someone here has the answer. My bad... I should have not
mentioned it in the first place.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Relevant bits are at 5 minutes 20 seconds here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnEUT-Ml1lw
On Mon Mar 17 12:28:33 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:the ONLY things you know come from the Internet. Rather than make a six figure income as something without a college education, you certainly showed them, didn't you. So instead you had a lot of trouble making a 4 figure income and would be homeless
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 19:05:24 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
The people I was working for gave me an award for being an official egg-head. Flunky simply has egg on his face.
What manner of animal hatched from your egg-head?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Dodo&udm=2>
Is this how you incubated your egg-head?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=head%20up%20ass&udm=2>
You really should dampen down your tears. You know, you COULD have taken a real job as a welder or pipefitter or an electrician and avoided the draft as a conciencious objector. But in your mind you had to be an expert and that was your failing. Because
Am 18.03.2025 um 16:34 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:03:56 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<[email protected]> wrote:
Am 18.03.2025 um 15:34 schrieb Roger Merriman:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B.To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder >>>>> on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, >>>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 >>>>>>>>>>> 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don't think it's binary or Manichean.� That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also >>>>>>>>>>>> airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft >>>>>>>>> fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine
exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>>>>>> secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>>>>>> falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>>>>>> falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many >>>>>>>> variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>>>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My >>>>>>> Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on >>>>>>> different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and >>>>>>> pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>>>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't >>>>>>> make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at >>>>>> the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke. >>>>>
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least >>>> most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
A 4-stroke engine needs its ignition at the end of stroke 1 (cylinder
compressed and full of fuel-air mix). At the end of stroke 3 (cylinder
at minimum volume but empty from pushing out the exhaust) there is
nothing to ignite so an igntion at this point of time have not use but
also no harm.
So with two cylinders offest by 180 degrees (boxer engine), you can skip >>> the distributor.
Harley's are not boxers.
I'm aware of this. Please offer details of how they managed to leave
out the distributor: are they timed to be synch - offset by 180 degress >despite being physically a V engine with 120 degrees or so? This would >explain the serious vibrations from an imbalanced engine.
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By
"practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you have my
sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot -
imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of intellect.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels.
On 3/17/2025 9:00 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:22:38 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:10:39 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 22:40:26 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
Education can also be a weapon. Education can be used for the general >>>>> good and for personal benefit. However, it can also be used for evil >>>>> and personal detriment. For example, I consider working on military >>>>> devices and weapons of mass destruction to be in the latter category. >>>>Why ever did you immigrate to the U.S. At war with someone.some where >>>> for 90% or more of their history. Even Israel has to stretch to keep
up with them :-)
Immigration to US wasn't my decision. I was 5 or 6 years old when my
parents dragged me kicking and screaming to the land where the streets
are paved with gold. Actually, after WWII and the concentration
camps, the US looked much better than all the other countries that had
been trashed by WWII. Almost every displaced Jew wanted to relocate
to Israel after WWII. Most of my relatives went to Israel. A few
idiots went back to Poland or worse. The problem was that the British
"owned" Israel and didn't like the idea of a mass Jewish exodus to the
promised land. They didn't allow immigration to Israel until 1948,
the year I was born:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine>
What's different about US wars is that most of them involved fighting
someone else's war or revolution as a result of entangled alliances.
Other countries had the same problem, but were generally smart enough
to default on their promises when the results of a war or revolution
were not guaranteed.
Drivel: I have a headache and need to stop writing.
Read some history. The bulk of U.S. "wars" were not defense from
attack, but rather the opposite.
I'm pretty sure that's what Jeff wrote.
"most of them involved fighting someone else's war or revolution as a
result of entangled alliances"
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By
"practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you have my
sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot -
imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never
stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels.
I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take
orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that
sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's
better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism
those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the shots.
NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country that
used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By
"practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you have my
sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot -
imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never
stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels.
I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take
orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that
sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's
better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism
those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the shots.
NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country that
used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By
"practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you have my
sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot -
imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never
stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels.
I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take
orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that
sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's
better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism
those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the shots.
NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country that
used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
History repeats itself...
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By
"practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you have my >>>>>> sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot -
imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never
stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels.
I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take
orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that
sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's
better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism
those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the shots.
NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country that
used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
History repeats itself...
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
On 3/18/2025 10:32 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
accredited engineering programOn 18 Mar 2025 14:34:15 GMT, Roger Merriman >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B. >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, >>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 >>>>>>>>>> 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the >>>>>>>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine >>>>>>>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>>>>> secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>>>>> falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>>>>> falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many >>>>>>> variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My >>>>>> Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on >>>>>> different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and >>>>>> pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't >>>>>> make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at >>>>> the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke. >>>>
on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least >>> most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
Doesn’t sound like a brilliant idea but I’m not going to pretend that this
is my area of expertise by any means!
Roger Merriman
Now *I* am confused. Maybe I had it wrong and they didn't fire both on
the same rotation. As I think about it now, that would make it sound
more like a one cylinder engine... Someday when care, I'll look it
up... Maybe someone here has the answer. My bad... I should have not
mentioned it in the first place.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Relevant bits are at 5 minutes 20 seconds here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnEUT-Ml1lw
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 10:32 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
accredited engineering programOn 18 Mar 2025 14:34:15 GMT, Roger Merriman >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 19:12:18 +0700, John B.To clarify. I believe the early Harleys fired twice on each cylinder >>>>> on each sequence. Each cycilnder got one firing at the correct time
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:00:55 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
accredited engineering programOn Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:22:33 -0400, >>>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:52:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 >>>>>>>>>>> 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What's odd is that this discussion group has a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
In modern parlance, they actually are the tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I don't think it's binary or Manichean. That is, both or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schooling."
Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
Again this is the difference between education broadly and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certification specifically. No one wants a heart surgeon or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> field:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve.... I
did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
"daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Good point, and you understand the difference. See also >>>>>>>>>>>> airplane mechanics.
"Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting." >>>>>>>>>>>
Airplane mechanic?
And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and >>>>>>>>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I >>>>>>>>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-) Air plane >>>>>>>>> mechanizing is more a matter of doing work correctly and maybe more >>>>>>>>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how >>>>>>>>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft >>>>>>>>> fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine
exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be >>>>>>>>> secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things >>>>>>>>> falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start >>>>>>>>> falling off in flight :-)
I know a bit about piston engines in general, but there are many >>>>>>>> variations and many I have not worked on.
I find motorcycle engines very interesting, there are parallel, boxer, >>>>>>> and offset V configurations and many different versions of each. My >>>>>>> Virago VTwin used a single crank pin like the Harley's but fired on >>>>>>> different rotations while the Harley's fired both on the same
rotation. They seemed very proud of their engines' unique sound and >>>>>>> pretend not to notice the resulting vibration. The early Norton vtwins >>>>>>> had offset crank pins to go with the offset V cylinders. They don't >>>>>>> make stuff like they used to make stuff.
Yup the old Harleys had no Distributor and fired both spark plugs at >>>>>> the same time - one on the exhaust stroke and one on the power stroke. >>>>>
and one firing on each cylinder either before or after the correct
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
How does that work then? If the first ignition has ignited all or at least >>>> most of the fuel? Or did it introduce a 2nd batch of fuel?
Doesn’t sound like a brilliant idea but I’m not going to pretend that this
is my area of expertise by any means!
Roger Merriman
Now *I* am confused. Maybe I had it wrong and they didn't fire both on
the same rotation. As I think about it now, that would make it sound
more like a one cylinder engine... Someday when care, I'll look it
up... Maybe someone here has the answer. My bad... I should have not
mentioned it in the first place.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Relevant bits are at 5 minutes 20 seconds here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnEUT-Ml1lw
Ah cheers interesting! Note to CatTrike being this is technical group I’d not apologise for introducing technology even if it’s old motorbikes!
Was lovely old 2nd world one that had apparently gone over on D day I and a mate where admiring, some 10+ years ago as I was drinking!
Roger Merriman
On Tue Mar 18 12:30:33 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/18/2025 11:20 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Mar 18 05:58:55 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 3/17/2025 1:43 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 08:13:45 2025 zen cycle wrote:lol...shall we compare your (lack of) grammar and spelling and let
I don't ever recall Frank drawing Jobsts' intellectual capacity into >>>>>> question. It's just another kunich lie.
Because you have a problem with English doesn't mean that everyone does. >>>>
everyone decide for themselves?
You have nothing to work with. Your entire world is crying aboyut me
You're barely a blip on my screen - simply noise, nothing more.
while you hide you name and that of your employer from us.
It isn't relevant, dumbass.
200 mile a day rides are so obviously a lie that you would try and pass that off shows exactly what you think of the peopld here.
Wow...How many times do different people have to tell you I never made
that claim before you stop lying about it?
I've never made that claim tommy, it's lie you made up.
Not to mention your absolute contempt for your employer.
I have contempt for my employer? news to me....
My brother worked as an electrician for several companies before settling on a job as the electrician for the city. He now has retired at 55, has had a new house built in Reno,
First your brother was indigent, got screwed by his pension plan, and
you had to loan him $30K, now he's successful with a new house.
IOW - more kunich bullshit.
Nevada while you're telling us how important you are.
Another kunich lie. Please post a link to any claim where I've stated my
"importance".
Why you're so important all you can do is deny my wealth.
Wrong again, that's not all I can do.
All you can deny is Obama's Great Rece4ssion
Wait, I thought all I could do was deny your wealth, now all I can do is
deny "obamas recession"? Make up your mind!
and tell us all how Obama was the greatest opresident who ever lived.
Another kunich lie. Please post a link to any claim where I've stated
Obama was the greatest president that ever lived.
All this along with the bullshit that you were a registered Republican.
Another kunich lie. Please post a link to any claim where I've stated I
was a registered republican (I'm not, never have been.)
Obama just turned up in San Francisco to visit friends in the Castro.
says you, without proof, news reports say otherwise.
Somehow those so-called children of his have disappeared
lol...no, they haven't. They just aren't attention whores like trumps
little fucking bastards.
and Michelle is rich and off with her , uhum, friends.
Yes, with her friend and husband, Barack
https://barackobama.com/
There is still the question of how Obamna's stated net worth of $190,000 at election to over $200 million now.
Only in your mind, and you might want to check your sources for those
numbers (we know how bad your math is).
Your queer hero
Considering I don't really have a hero, it would difficult for them to
have any sexual persuasion or gender preference at all.
seems toi have gotten money from somewhee and probably out of your pocket from USAID.
Maybe he went to that same consultant you've been working with, you know
the magician woo took that $1 million dollars and turned it into....$1
million in 5 short years?
I notied that I am so unimportant to you that it takes you seconds to respond.,
On Tue Mar 18 12:30:33 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/18/2025 11:20 AM, cyclintom wrote:
You simply cannot stand the trutg that you're not an EE.
Is your degree in commuity organizing?
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >Guinea.
We've had this discussion before. Tommy doesn't think spelling or
grammar are of any considerable value when job hunting.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
On 3/18/2025 6:22 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death and
destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible, others
merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher. The dialectic
is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
But I'd say there are degrees of conflict. And ISTM most ordinary people >prefer low level conflict - e.g. debates over whether the speed limit
should be lowered - instead of high level quasi-military attacks over
who should control the profits from addictive drugs.
Some systems of government are more likely to result in low level
conflicts of the first type. Others are more likely to result in the
second type. And it's certainly true that extreme "governing least"
generates more of the latter. Compare, say, England to Haiti. Or
Netherlands to Somalia.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, >plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to >promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape, >unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore >efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a >fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available >dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, >>plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give >>power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective >>committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to >>promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape, >>unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal >>government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the >>federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore >>efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a >>fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available >>dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly going deeper.
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime. Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of
illegals. The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building. The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift
shelters on the streets. The President of the USA had no idea what his >handlers were signing into law with a signing machine. Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms. Wars were killing people all around the globe.
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting
nuclear weapons.
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:05:30 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:levels.
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By >>>>>>> "practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you have my >>>>>>> sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot -
imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never
stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest
I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take
orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that
sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's
better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism
those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the shots. >>>>> NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country that >>>>> used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
History repeats itself...
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >Guinea.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person >>>>who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only >>>>right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword, >>>>>>>knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be >>>>>>>pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person >>>>>>who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only >>>>>>right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply >>>because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably >>>not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but >>that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important.
You have obviously not been in the military as if you had you would
know that every job is strictly defined, responsibilities, superiors, >subordinates, and if you have any brain at all you know, when you
start, about how long you will have to serve in that position.
As for feeling important, That goes with the job and again is a matter
of record - who you report to and who reports to you
While I agree that three some people, like Frank, that are deathly
afraid if being thought "just another guy" It doesn't mean that
everyone is like that.
FSA 9915ST RPM Isis Drive Bicycle Bottom Bracket (68x113mm)On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:18:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:levels.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:05:30 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By >>>>>>>> "practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you have my >>>>>>>> sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot - >>>>>>>> imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never
stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest
I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take
orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that >>>>>> sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's
better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism
those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the shots. >>>>>> NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country that >>>>>> used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
History repeats itself...
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>Guinea.
I think leaders happen simply because people don't think for
themselves. Somebody comes along and says, "hey, I'll do your thinking
for you and all you have to do make me feel important."
Most people simply want to live a peaceful life... as do sheep. Sheep
have earned their reputation. A flock of sheep will follow most
anything that moves. Group thinking at it's finest. It's common in
many critters, humans included. Safety in numbers.
Hey, Joe, there's a bunch of people walking together over there, let's
hurry up and get in line.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New
Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape, unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
On 3/18/2025 11:32 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 22:53:50 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/17/2025 1:26 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 12:07:11 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that his
science
accomplishments alone would have won Nobel Prizes had they existed.
But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was great
and he
learned it all himself. So I don't need no schooling."
Krygowski, that is terrible grammar that Jobst would correct. And
you as nothing would opretend superiority because you're a native
English speaker.
:-) WHOOSH! Right over Tom's head! :-)
Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach.
That's nonsense posted ~100% of the time by uneducated lunkheads.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:19:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 6:22 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't >>>>>> steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death and
destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible, others
merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher. The dialectic
is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
But I'd say there are degrees of conflict. And ISTM most ordinary people
prefer low level conflict - e.g. debates over whether the speed limit
should be lowered - instead of high level quasi-military attacks over
who should control the profits from addictive drugs.
Some systems of government are more likely to result in low level
conflicts of the first type. Others are more likely to result in the
second type. And it's certainly true that extreme "governing least"
generates more of the latter. Compare, say, England to Haiti. Or
Netherlands to Somalia.
Regardless of the level of conflict, it's always about control.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New
Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape, unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
levels.FSA 9915ST RPM Isis Drive Bicycle Bottom Bracket (68x113mm)On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:18:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:05:30 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By >>>>>>>>> "practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you have my >>>>>>>>> sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot - >>>>>>>>> imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never >>>>>>> stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest
I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take >>>>>>> orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that >>>>>>> sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's >>>>>>> better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism >>>>>>> those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the shots. >>>>>>> NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country that >>>>>>> used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
History repeats itself...
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New
Guinea.
I think leaders happen simply because people don't think for
themselves. Somebody comes along and says, "hey, I'll do your thinking
for you and all you have to do make me feel important."
Most people simply want to live a peaceful life... as do sheep. Sheep
have earned their reputation. A flock of sheep will follow most
anything that moves. Group thinking at it's finest. It's common in
many critters, humans included. Safety in numbers.
Hey, Joe, there's a bunch of people walking together over there, let's
hurry up and get in line.
There's one feel_better_quick drug company's TV advertisement that
depicts people doing exactly that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 3/19/2025 7:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
FSA 9915ST RPM Isis Drive Bicycle Bottom Bracket (68x113mm)On Wed, 19
Mar 2025 04:18:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:05:30 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an >>>>>>>>>>> idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By >>>>>>>>>> "practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you >>>>>>>>>> have my
sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot - >>>>>>>>>> imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have >>>>>>>>> the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high >>>>>>>>> IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of
intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never >>>>>>>> stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and >>>>>>>>> so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to >>>>>>>>> think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone >>>>>>>>> they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels. >>>>>>>>I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take >>>>>>>> orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that >>>>>>>> sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's >>>>>>>> better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism >>>>>>>> those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the
shots.
NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country >>>>>>>> that
used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
History repeats itself...
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't >>>>>> steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>> Guinea.
I think leaders happen simply because people don't think for
themselves. Somebody comes along and says, "hey, I'll do your thinking
for you and all you have to do make me feel important."
Most people simply want to live a peaceful life... as do sheep. Sheep
have earned their reputation. A flock of sheep will follow most
anything that moves. Group thinking at it's finest. It's common in
many critters, humans included. Safety in numbers.
Hey, Joe, there's a bunch of people walking together over there, let's
hurry up and get in line.
There's one feel_better_quick drug company's TV advertisement that
depicts people doing exactly that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
'People' cover a wide spectrum. Yes there's that.
But also, "No one goes to Yankee Stadium. It's too crowded."
On 3/19/2025 7:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:levels.
FSA 9915ST RPM Isis Drive Bicycle Bottom Bracket (68x113mm)On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:18:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:05:30 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By >>>>>>>>>> "practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you have my >>>>>>>>>> sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot - >>>>>>>>>> imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never >>>>>>>> stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest
I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take >>>>>>>> orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that >>>>>>>> sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's >>>>>>>> better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism >>>>>>>> those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the shots. >>>>>>>> NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country that >>>>>>>> used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
History repeats itself...
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>> Guinea.
I think leaders happen simply because people don't think for
themselves. Somebody comes along and says, "hey, I'll do your thinking
for you and all you have to do make me feel important."
Most people simply want to live a peaceful life... as do sheep. Sheep
have earned their reputation. A flock of sheep will follow most
anything that moves. Group thinking at it's finest. It's common in
many critters, humans included. Safety in numbers.
Hey, Joe, there's a bunch of people walking together over there, let's
hurry up and get in line.
There's one feel_better_quick drug company's TV advertisement that
depicts people doing exactly that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
'People' cover a wide spectrum. Yes there's that.
But also, "No one goes to Yankee Stadium. It's too crowded."
On 3/19/2025 8:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 7:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
FSA 9915ST RPM Isis Drive Bicycle Bottom Bracket (68x113mm)On Wed, 19
Mar 2025 04:18:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:05:30 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow� wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an >>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
����There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By >>>>>>>>>>> "practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you >>>>>>>>>>> have my
sympathies.
����[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot - >>>>>>>>>>> imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have >>>>>>>>>> the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high >>>>>>>>>> IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of
intellect.
����If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never >>>>>>>>> stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and >>>>>>>>>> so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to >>>>>>>>>> think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone >>>>>>>>>> they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels. >>>>>>>>>����I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take >>>>>>>>> orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that >>>>>>>>> sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
����Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's >>>>>>>>> better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
����PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism >>>>>>>>> those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the >>>>>>>>> shots.
NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country >>>>>>>>> that
used to be an example of "democracy".
����[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
����The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
����Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
����History repeats itself...
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't >>>>>>> steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>>> Guinea.
I think leaders happen simply because people don't think for
themselves. Somebody comes along and says, "hey, I'll do your thinking >>>> for you and all you have to do make me feel important."
Most people simply want to live a peaceful life...� as do sheep. Sheep >>>> have earned their reputation. A flock of sheep will follow most
anything that moves. Group thinking at it's finest. It's common in
many critters, humans included. Safety in numbers.
Hey, Joe, there's a bunch of people walking together over there, let's >>>> hurry up and get in line.
There's one feel_better_quick drug company's TV advertisement that
depicts people doing exactly that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
'People' cover a wide spectrum. Yes there's that.
But also, "No one goes to Yankee Stadium. It's too crowded."
not quite:
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/29/too-crowded/
On the issue of sheep:
https://i.imgflip.com/4rojzz.png
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:01:47 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/19/2025 8:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 7:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
FSA 9915ST RPM Isis Drive Bicycle Bottom Bracket (68x113mm)On Wed, 19 >>>>> Mar 2025 04:18:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:05:30 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an >>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By >>>>>>>>>>>> "practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you >>>>>>>>>>>> have my
sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot - >>>>>>>>>>>> imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have >>>>>>>>>>> the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high >>>>>>>>>>> IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of >>>>>>>>>>> intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never >>>>>>>>>> stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and >>>>>>>>>>> so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to >>>>>>>>>>> think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone >>>>>>>>>>> they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels. >>>>>>>>>>I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take
orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that >>>>>>>>>> sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's
better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism
those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the >>>>>>>>>> shots.
NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country >>>>>>>>>> that
used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
History repeats itself...
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't >>>>>>>> steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>>>> Guinea.
I think leaders happen simply because people don't think for
themselves. Somebody comes along and says, "hey, I'll do your thinking >>>>> for you and all you have to do make me feel important."
Most people simply want to live a peaceful life... as do sheep. Sheep >>>>> have earned their reputation. A flock of sheep will follow most
anything that moves. Group thinking at it's finest. It's common in
many critters, humans included. Safety in numbers.
Hey, Joe, there's a bunch of people walking together over there, let's >>>>> hurry up and get in line.
There's one feel_better_quick drug company's TV advertisement that
depicts people doing exactly that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
'People' cover a wide spectrum. Yes there's that.
But also, "No one goes to Yankee Stadium. It's too crowded."
not quite:
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/29/too-crowded/
On the issue of sheep:
https://i.imgflip.com/4rojzz.png
I don't what pixabay is but, that last one *is* pretty funny.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:43:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 10:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>> Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions,
plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to
promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape,
unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore
efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a
fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available
dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Regarding eternal dialectic, two reasonably informed people
(you and I) can look at the same facts and draw utterly
different conclusions. Hence policy, structure etc.
But can the individual states secede? Not "can they actually" but
rather "can they afford to"?
About $48.8 billion in federal funding.
Current population - 12,710,158[ https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-money-does-the-federal-government-provide-state-and-local-governments/state/illinois/
$48,800,000,000 / 12,710,158 (:-)
On 3/19/2025 8:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 7:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
FSA 9915ST RPM Isis Drive Bicycle Bottom Bracket
(68x113mm)On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:18:33 -0400, Catrike
Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:05:30 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom
<[email protected]>
wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from
practically an idiot to someone that intended to
join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ
scale**.By
"practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile?
If so, you have my
sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect.
Scale is idiot -
imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you
may not have the ability to develope your own
brain. With a naturally high IQ, once shown how to
think, you can have an explosion of intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is
ignorant. But never
stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a
high IQ and so did I. Schools at that time tried
to stretch your ability to think, unlike today,
and it worked. Communism tells everyone they are
equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels.
I find it very hard to believe that anyone
would want to take
orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now.....
a scammer that
sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case
I suppose it's
better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is.
Under communism
those with most political sway and power (AKA
money) call the shots.
NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me
of a country that
used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to
devolve to a
kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts
out
that way.
The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
History repeats itself...
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long
as they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder,
death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very
primitive clans in New
Guinea.
I think leaders happen simply because people don't think
for
themselves. Somebody comes along and says, "hey, I'll do
your thinking
for you and all you have to do make me feel important."
Most people simply want to live a peaceful life... as
do sheep. Sheep
have earned their reputation. A flock of sheep will
follow most
anything that moves. Group thinking at it's finest. It's
common in
many critters, humans included. Safety in numbers.
Hey, Joe, there's a bunch of people walking together
over there, let's
hurry up and get in line.
There's one feel_better_quick drug company's TV
advertisement that
depicts people doing exactly that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
'People' cover a wide spectrum. Yes there's that.
But also, "No one goes to Yankee Stadium. It's too crowded."
not quite:
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/29/too-crowded/
On the issue of sheep:
https://i.imgflip.com/4rojzz.png
On 3/19/2025 8:19 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:01:47 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/19/2025 8:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 7:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
FSA 9915ST RPM Isis Drive Bicycle Bottom Bracket (68x113mm)On Wed, 19 >>>>>> Mar 2025 04:18:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:05:30 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow� wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
����There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By >>>>>>>>>>>>> "practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you >>>>>>>>>>>>> have my
sympathies.
����[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot - >>>>>>>>>>>>> imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have >>>>>>>>>>>> the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high >>>>>>>>>>>> IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of >>>>>>>>>>>> intellect.
����If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never >>>>>>>>>>> stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and >>>>>>>>>>>> so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to >>>>>>>>>>>> think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone >>>>>>>>>>>> they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels. >>>>>>>>>>>����I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to take >>>>>>>>>>> orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer that >>>>>>>>>>> sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
����Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I suppose it's >>>>>>>>>>> better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
����PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under communism >>>>>>>>>>> those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the >>>>>>>>>>> shots.
NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country >>>>>>>>>>> that
used to be an example of "democracy".
����[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a >>>>>>>>>> kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
����The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
����Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee.
����History repeats itself...
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't >>>>>>>>> steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>>>>> Guinea.
I think leaders happen simply because people don't think for
themselves. Somebody comes along and says, "hey, I'll do your thinking >>>>>> for you and all you have to do make me feel important."
Most people simply want to live a peaceful life...� as do sheep. Sheep >>>>>> have earned their reputation. A flock of sheep will follow most
anything that moves. Group thinking at it's finest. It's common in >>>>>> many critters, humans included. Safety in numbers.
Hey, Joe, there's a bunch of people walking together over there, let's >>>>>> hurry up and get in line.
There's one feel_better_quick drug company's TV advertisement that
depicts people doing exactly that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
'People' cover a wide spectrum. Yes there's that.
But also, "No one goes to Yankee Stadium. It's too crowded."
not quite:
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/29/too-crowded/
On the issue of sheep:
https://i.imgflip.com/4rojzz.png
I don't what pixabay is but, that last one *is* pretty funny.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Yes it was!
Meanwhile, skip to 50 seconds in, here >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNU02aTeHV0
On 3/19/2025 8:47 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/18/2025 11:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>> Guinea.
Yep.� Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim.� Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions,
plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to
promote their agenda.� Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape,
unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve.� The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve.� They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency".� They continue to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore
efficient).� In other words, they create a situation from which only a
fearless leader can save the country.� Of course, the only available
dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states.� Instant balkanization.
+1 to all of that, and I'll add those that don't learn from history are
doomed to repeat it.
And note the Floriduh response: "Omigod, the sky is falling!!!
Everything is terrible, terrible, terrible!"
So much fear.
On 3/19/2025 8:46 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/18/2025 8:50 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
�����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
�����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun."� The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
Frank has done little more then express opinions and ask questions. It's
you and the floriduh dumbass attempting to control him,
Drink your own medicine, dumbass.
I'll add that I often provide data on relevant issues. For some, that's >offensive.
Mr. Tricycle Rider is eternally offended because I mentioned his fear of >riding on normal roads where cars travel, and his fear of riding even on
an empty bike path without carrying a gun.
John is offended mostly because I don't admire his devotion to guns.
They both construct Kunich-like fantasies about me to assuage their hurt >feelings.
On 3/19/2025 5:48 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important.
You have obviously not been in the military as if you had you would
know that every job is strictly defined, responsibilities, superiors,
subordinates, and if you have any brain at all you know, when you
start, about how long you will have to serve in that position.
As for feeling important, That goes with the job and again is a matter
of record - who you report to and who reports to you
Mr. Tricycle's fantasies about total, manly independence, free of
"leaders," might be valid if he were living a Robinson Crusoe existence.
But he's not. He's as dependent on leaders as any of the rest of us, no >matter how much he pretends otherwise.
Obviously, one can't have an army without a leadership structure. Beyond >that, one can't have garbage collection, working water or sewer systems, >paved roads, law enforcement or most of the other features of
civilization. In fact, without a leadership structure, he'd never have
his nice, safe, flat, paved bike trail (paid for by the government) on
which he rides back and forth feeling proud and "independent."
While I agree that three some people, like Frank, that are deathly
afraid if being thought "just another guy" It doesn't mean that
everyone is like that.
Quit your bullshit insults, John. I've done what I've done because I
enjoyed doing it, and/or because it needed done and I was capable. I'm
not the one around here who is afraid.
4805 Land O Lakes Blvd Land O Lakes, FL 34639On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:31:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 10:39 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 10:32:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
Quit your bullshit insults, John. I've done what I've done because I
enjoyed doing it, and/or because it needed done and I was capable. I'm
not the one around here who is afraid.
Krygowski enjoys doing wussy, risk free stuff like lecturing kids and
riding his bicycle.
You pedal your tricycle bravely while riding on your perfectly flat, >car-free, empty bicycle path. But you're always sure to carry your
handgun for "defense"!
Now _that's_ wussy!
That's enough for me. I've been asked to do some volunteer work with
friends in our forest preserve.
Does that count as bragging? Perhaps it
does to guys who do nothing.
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, >>plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give >>power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective >>committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to >>promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape, >>unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal >>government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the >>federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore >>efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a >>fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available >>dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly going deeper.
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of
illegals.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building. The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift
shelters on the streets.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine. Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting
nuclear weapons.
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be >>>>>>pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person >>>>>who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only >>>>>right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply >>because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:32:49 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>> Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions,
plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to
promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape,
unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore
efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a
fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available
dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly going deeper.
It's worse now. Much worse.
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
That's worse too. More unemployed, more poor people = more
crime. More tariffs paid by the working class --> poorer people = more
crime. And with the tremendous cut on public spending, jail is the
last place you'll find a criminal. I'm surprised Herr Musk hasn't
offered a bonus to policemen and judges that "look the other way". He
has ? Good for him. At least he's coherent.
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Still are. With the blessing of private health groups. An
addicted patient is a captive patient. Easy money.
PS Canada was never a supplier of opioids. Mexico ? Maybe a
bit, but the bulk comes from Asia. A large part is synthesized in the
US now. Home produce.
The allegation was stock market manipulation. LOL. How many
times has Dog changed the value and timeline of tariffs he says he's
going to impose?
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of
illegals.
Still are. OTOH, the "illegals" did all the dirty work
Americans were unwilling to do. And are still unwilling to do. Expect
the price of eggs to increase (and other labor-intensive activities).
Don't worry about Trump Tower's employees. They've all been
"legalized" so he can replace American workers for a dime.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building. The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift
shelters on the streets.
More people on the streets now. People are much poorer.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine. Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
Now you have a dick waver as president. LOL. And he never
bothered to go to a changing room or check if the victim was underage. Anywhere was valid.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
Still are.
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting
nuclear weapons.
Like North Korea. I remember. "Lovely guy, that Kim Pong Ping.
He gave me a gift. I gave him a gift. Best government EVER!!!"
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
They were much better than they are now, unless you believe in
the (now perfectly admissible) #FAKE_NEWS.
Corporate #FAKE_NEWS is now known as "free speech". Meta,
Alphabet, X .... You have to watch EU news to see what's really
happening ...
Bit worried about my Tesla shares ... how are sales in Europe?
I think Jeff Liebermann has been watching some real news. Poor
guy. He's become a victim of depressive realism. Which DOES exist,
even if "freedom of speech" assures you it does not.
[]'s
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:49:00 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
'People' cover a wide spectrum. Yes there's that.
But also, "No one goes to Yankee Stadium. It's too crowded."
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Eggs are a red herring to national policy discussions.
On 3/19/2025 11:30 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:32:49 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>>> Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, >>>> plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as >>>> a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give >>>> power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to >>>> promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape, >>>> unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the >>>> federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore
efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a >>>> fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available
dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly going deeper.
It's worse now. Much worse.
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
That's worse too. More unemployed, more poor people = more
crime. More tariffs paid by the working class --> poorer people = more
crime. And with the tremendous cut on public spending, jail is the
last place you'll find a criminal. I'm surprised Herr Musk hasn't
offered a bonus to policemen and judges that "look the other way". He
has ? Good for him. At least he's coherent.
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Still are. With the blessing of private health groups. An
addicted patient is a captive patient. Easy money.
PS Canada was never a supplier of opioids. Mexico ? Maybe a
bit, but the bulk comes from Asia. A large part is synthesized in the
US now. Home produce.
The allegation was stock market manipulation. LOL. How many
times has Dog changed the value and timeline of tariffs he says he's
going to impose?
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of
illegals.
Still are. OTOH, the "illegals" did all the dirty work
Americans were unwilling to do. And are still unwilling to do. Expect
the price of eggs to increase (and other labor-intensive activities).
Don't worry about Trump Tower's employees. They've all been
"legalized" so he can replace American workers for a dime.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building. The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift
shelters on the streets.
More people on the streets now. People are much poorer.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine. Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
Now you have a dick waver as president. LOL. And he never
bothered to go to a changing room or check if the victim was underage.
Anywhere was valid.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
Still are.
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting
nuclear weapons.
Like North Korea. I remember. "Lovely guy, that Kim Pong Ping.
He gave me a gift. I gave him a gift. Best government EVER!!!"
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
They were much better than they are now, unless you believe in
the (now perfectly admissible) #FAKE_NEWS.
Corporate #FAKE_NEWS is now known as "free speech". Meta,
Alphabet, X .... You have to watch EU news to see what's really
happening ...
Bit worried about my Tesla shares ... how are sales in Europe?
I think Jeff Liebermann has been watching some real news. Poor
guy. He's become a victim of depressive realism. Which DOES exist,
even if "freedom of speech" assures you it does not.
[]'s
Eggs are a red herring to national policy discussions.
in re eggs, egg price fluctuation is barely affected by any Federal
policy of any administration, no matter how wise nor how inept*.
Trendline is improving as the2024/5 avian influenza effects are mitigated:
https://www.newsweek.com/2025-eggs-prices-per-dozen-economy-donald- trump-2044401
Mr Trump deserves no credit and Mr Biden deserves no blame in this case.
*there are minor industry-wide effects by USDA and EPA regulation, but nothing significant of late. State regulation has been significant
regionally in some cases, but not to national averages.
On 3/19/2025 8:19 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:01:47 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/19/2025 8:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 7:37 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
FSA 9915ST RPM Isis Drive Bicycle Bottom Bracket (68x113mm)On Wed, 19 >>>>>> Mar 2025 04:18:33 -0400, Catrike Ryder <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 15:05:30 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 14:16:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 1:56 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:32:02 GMT, cyclintom
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mon Mar 17 17:10:00 2025 Shadow wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:17:25 GMT, cyclintom
<[email protected]>
wrote:
My middle step daughter's child went from practically an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot to someone that intended to join the FBI
There is nothing lower than "idiot" on the IQ scale**.By
"practically an idiot" did you mean an imbecile? If so, you >>>>>>>>>>>>> have my
sympathies.
[]'s
** Abandoned for being politically incorrect. Scale is idiot - >>>>>>>>>>>>> imbecile - moron - stuuupid....
If you've not been exposed to intelligence, you may not have >>>>>>>>>>>> the ability to develope your own brain. With a naturally high >>>>>>>>>>>> IQ, once shown how to think, you can have an explosion of >>>>>>>>>>>> intellect.
If he has no teachers, even a genius is ignorant. But never
stupid.
And that is what opccured to her. My mother had a high IQ and >>>>>>>>>>>> so did I. Schools at that time tried to stretch your ability to >>>>>>>>>>>> think, unlike today, and it worked. Communism tells everyone >>>>>>>>>>>> they are equal and dampens thinking down to the lowest levels. >>>>>>>>>>>I find it very hard to believe that anyone would want to >>>>>>>>>>> take
orders from the criminal that runs the FBI now..... a scammer >>>>>>>>>>> that
sold "antidotes" for vaccines. LOL.
Unless they were complete idiots. In which case I >>>>>>>>>>> suppose it's
better than cleaning public toilets, but not much.
PS I don't think you know what communism is. Under >>>>>>>>>>> communism
those with most political sway and power (AKA money) call the >>>>>>>>>>> shots.
NOT the electorate. It's a dictatorship. Reminds me of a country >>>>>>>>>>> that
used to be an example of "democracy".
[]'s
+1
Actually, all political systems tendency is to devolve to a >>>>>>>>>> kleptocratic elite. Except for monarchy which starts out
that way.
The guillotine worked for France. For a while.
Now their president is an ex (?) Rothchild employee. >>>>>>>>>
History repeats itself...
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are horrible,
others merely awful, some bearable.
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans
in New
Guinea.
I think leaders happen simply because people don't think for
themselves. Somebody comes along and says, "hey, I'll do your
thinking
for you and all you have to do make me feel important."
Most people simply want to live a peaceful life... as do sheep.
Sheep
have earned their reputation. A flock of sheep will follow most
anything that moves. Group thinking at it's finest. It's common in >>>>>> many critters, humans included. Safety in numbers.
Hey, Joe, there's a bunch of people walking together over there,
let's
hurry up and get in line.
There's one feel_better_quick drug company's TV advertisement that
depicts people doing exactly that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
'People' cover a wide spectrum. Yes there's that.
But also, "No one goes to Yankee Stadium. It's too crowded."
not quite:
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/29/too-crowded/
On the issue of sheep:
https://i.imgflip.com/4rojzz.png
I don't what pixabay is but, that last one *is* pretty funny.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Yes it was!
Meanwhile, skip to 50 seconds in, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNU02aTeHV0
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the gladiatorial contests of
ancient Rome. The only difference is that the participants of today's
sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle races are similar
except the participants sometimes engage in limited combat. <https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:32:49 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>>Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, >>>plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give >>>power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective >>>committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to >>>promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape, >>>unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a >>>genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal >>>government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the >>>federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore >>>efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a >>>fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available >>>dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their >>>services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over: >>><https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly going deeper.
It's worse now. Much worse.
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
That's worse too. More unemployed, more poor people = more
crime. More tariffs paid by the working class --> poorer people = more
crime. And with the tremendous cut on public spending, jail is the
last place you'll find a criminal. I'm surprised Herr Musk hasn't
offered a bonus to policemen and judges that "look the other way". He
has ? Good for him. At least he's coherent.
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Still are. With the blessing of private health groups. An
addicted patient is a captive patient. Easy money.
PS Canada was never a supplier of opioids. Mexico ? Maybe a
bit, but the bulk comes from Asia. A large part is synthesized in the
US now. Home produce.
The allegation was stock market manipulation. LOL. How many
times has Dog changed the value and timeline of tariffs he says he's
going to impose?
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of >>illegals.
Still are. OTOH, the "illegals" did all the dirty work
Americans were unwilling to do. And are still unwilling to do. Expect
the price of eggs to increase (and other labor-intensive activities).
Don't worry about Trump Tower's employees. They've all been
"legalized" so he can replace American workers for a dime.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building. The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift >>shelters on the streets.
More people on the streets now. People are much poorer.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine. Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
Now you have a dick waver as president. LOL. And he never
bothered to go to a changing room or check if the victim was underage. >Anywhere was valid.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
Still are.
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting >>nuclear weapons.
Like North Korea. I remember. "Lovely guy, that Kim Pong Ping.
He gave me a gift. I gave him a gift. Best government EVER!!!"
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
They were much better than they are now, unless you believe in
the (now perfectly admissible) #FAKE_NEWS.
Corporate #FAKE_NEWS is now known as "free speech". Meta,
Alphabet, X .... You have to watch EU news to see what's really
happening ...
Bit worried about my Tesla shares ... how are sales in Europe?
I think Jeff Liebermann has been watching some real news. Poor
guy. He's become a victim of depressive realism. Which DOES exist,
even if "freedom of speech" assures you it does not.
[]'s
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:49:00 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
'People' cover a wide spectrum. Yes there's that.
But also, "No one goes to Yankee Stadium. It's too crowded."
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I'll have to agree with you on that.
Pointless.
I rarely watch sports, not even the World Cup. Sometimes I'm
in a group and I pretend to be looking at the TV. There is a real risk
of being lynched in Brazil if you look bored. LOL.
[]'s
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword, >>>>>>>knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be >>>>>>>pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person >>>>>>who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only >>>>>>right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply >>>because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably >>>not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but >>that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important.
Some leaders are different. Just like people are different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in >Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a >power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL.
[]'s
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as >>>>>>>>>>> they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death >>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person >>>>>>> who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only >>>>>>> right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably >>>> not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important.
Some leaders are different. Just like people are different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in
Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL.
[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the gladiatorial contests of
ancient Rome. The only difference is that the participants of today's
sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle races are similar
except the participants sometimes engage in limited combat. ><https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as >>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects". >>>>>>>>>>>> ����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death >>>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person >>>>>>>> who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only >>>>>>>> right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone >>>>>> with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I >>>>>> need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply >>>>> because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get >>>>> the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if >>>>> the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably >>>>> not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but >>>> that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important.
Some leaders are different. Just like people are different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in
Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL.
[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as >>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects". >>>>>>>>>>>>> []'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death >>>>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword, >>>>>>>>>> knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal >>>>>>>>>> more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person >>>>>>>>> who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only >>>>>>>>> right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone >>>>>>> with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to >>>>>>> matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I >>>>>>> need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply >>>>>> because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get >>>>>> the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if >>>>>> the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably >>>>>> not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but >>>>> that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important.
Some leaders are different. Just like people are different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in >>>> Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL.
[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm pretty sure
they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a respect person, I
always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death >>>>>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher. >>>>>>>>>>> The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies. >>>>>>>>>>>
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword, >>>>>>>>>>> knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be >>>>>>>>>>> pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal >>>>>>>>>>> more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of >>>>>>>>>>> that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person >>>>>>>>>> who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone >>>>>>>> with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to >>>>>>>> matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I >>>>>>>> need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply >>>>>>> because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get >>>>>>> the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if >>>>>>> the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably >>>>>>> not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power >>>>>> and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but >>>>>> that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important.
Some leaders are different. Just like people are different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in >>>>> Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL.
[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad >>>> that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm pretty sure
they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a respect person, I
always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL.
[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:Some leaders are different. Just like people are different.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> []'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher. >>>>>>>>>>>> The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies. >>>>>>>>>>>>
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword, >>>>>>>>>>>> knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be >>>>>>>>>>>> pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal >>>>>>>>>>>> more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of >>>>>>>>>>>> that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone >>>>>>>>> with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to >>>>>>>>> matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or >>>>>>>>> voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need >>>>>>>>> followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I >>>>>>>>> need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply >>>>>>>> because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get >>>>>>>> the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if >>>>>>>> the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably >>>>>>>> not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power >>>>>>> and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but >>>>>>> that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important. >>>>>>
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last >>>>>> days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in >>>>>> Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL. >>>>>> []'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad >>>>> that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm pretty sure
they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a respect person, I
always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:Some leaders are different. Just like people are different.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher. >>>>>>>>>>>> The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies. >>>>>>>>>>>>
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword, >>>>>>>>>>>> knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be >>>>>>>>>>>> pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal >>>>>>>>>>>> more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of >>>>>>>>>>>> that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone >>>>>>>>> with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to >>>>>>>>> matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or >>>>>>>>> voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need >>>>>>>>> followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I >>>>>>>>> need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply >>>>>>>> because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get >>>>>>>> the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if >>>>>>>> the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably >>>>>>>> not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power >>>>>>> and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but >>>>>>> that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important. >>>>>>
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last >>>>>> days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in >>>>>> Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL. >>>>>> []'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad >>>>> that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm pretty sure
they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a respect person, I
always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL.
[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I've seen people say Jeeesus Fscking Christ !!!! Though I
don't think that was what CR meant.
It's possible people thought Jesus was "Allah". Allah was the pre-Islamic "god". When dreams, fantasies and nightmares are passed
down verbally for thousands of years before they are finally written
down as "fact" I expect a lot of things change.
[]'s
On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their
"subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of
plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder,
some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution?
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political
philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human
societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others
with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical'
which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone,
"You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern
applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be
at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else...
and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take
directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It
doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in
schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low
esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's
more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all
circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak
kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped
out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft
maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your
job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to
have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they
are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to
feel important.
Some leaders are different. Just like people are
different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da
Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the
rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to
spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the
fascists here in
Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a
politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was
never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a
"Leader" today. LOL.
[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind
of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm
pretty sure
they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a
respect person, I
always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I know nothing of Aramaic but in Latin there's no J (or K,
U, W, Y) so maybe IVSUS in pre-English orthography.
On 3/19/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
�� ����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per
se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their
"subjects".
�� ����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of
plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder,
some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political
philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human
societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others
with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical'
which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone,
"You can steal
more with a pen than a gun."� The modern
applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be
at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else...
and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take
directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It
doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in
schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low
esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's
more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all
circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak
kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped
out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft
maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your
job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to
have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they
are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to
feel important.
����Some leaders are different. Just like people are
different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
����Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da
Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
����Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the
rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to
spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the
fascists here in
Brazil.
����Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a
politician not a
character in a� rather badly written fairy tale) was
never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a
"Leader" today. LOL.
����[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind
of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm
pretty sure
they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a
respect person, I
always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I know nothing of Aramaic but in Latin there's no J (or K,
U, W, Y) so maybe IVSUS in pre-English orthography.
Oops IESVS
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:17:17 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of
plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder,
some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political
philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human
societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others
with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical'
which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone,
"You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern
applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be
at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else...
and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take
directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It
doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in
schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low
esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's
more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all
circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak
kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped
out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft
maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your
job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to
have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they
are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to
feel important.
Some leaders are different. Just like people are
different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da
Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the
rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to
spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the
fascists here in
Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a
politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was
never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a
"Leader" today. LOL.
[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind
of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm
pretty sure
they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a
respect person, I
always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I know nothing of Aramaic but in Latin there's no J (or K,
U, W, Y) so maybe IVSUS in pre-English orthography.
Oops IESVS
Could be.. I don't know. I believe that religion ought to be a fun
thing. Most churches are terrible dreary places, and most religious "services" are monotonous and boring.
I'm all for having fun.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 3/19/2025 4:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:17:17 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
�� ����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "subjects".
�� ����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder,
some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political
philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others
with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical'
which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone,
"You can steal
more with a pen than a gun."� The modern
applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No matter what kind of government, there will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else...
and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take
directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It
doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in
schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low
esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's
more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all
circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak
kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped
out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft
maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your
job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to
have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they
are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to
feel important.
����Some leaders are different. Just like people are
different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
����Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da
Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
����Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the
rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to
spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the
fascists here in
Brazil.
����Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a
politician not a
character in a� rather badly written fairy tale) was
never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a
"Leader" today. LOL.
����[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind
of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm
pretty sure
they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a
respect person, I
always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I know nothing of Aramaic but in Latin there's no J (or K,
U, W, Y) so maybe IVSUS in pre-English orthography.
Oops IESVS
Could be.. I don't know. I believe that religion ought to be a fun
thing. Most churches are terrible dreary places, and most religious
"services" are monotonous and boring.
I'm all for having fun.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Girl I was dating in Japan said her family summons a Shinto
priest for funerals but the Buddhists for weddings, "They're
more fun."
Maybe you'd like the Hindus, especially this week for Holi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khN1E0veNVc
(a bit over a minute)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:53:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:17:17 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "subjects".
[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone,
"You can steal
more with a pen than a gun." The modern
applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No matter what kind of government, there will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take
directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It
doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in
schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low
esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all
circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak
kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped
out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft
maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your
job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to
have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they
are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to
feel important.
Some leaders are different. Just like people are >>>>>>>>>>> different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da
Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the >>>>>>>>>>> rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to
spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the
fascists here in
Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a
politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was
never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a
"Leader" today. LOL.
[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind
of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm
pretty sure
they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a
respect person, I
always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I know nothing of Aramaic but in Latin there's no J (or K,
U, W, Y) so maybe IVSUS in pre-English orthography.
Oops IESVS
Could be.. I don't know. I believe that religion ought to be a fun
thing. Most churches are terrible dreary places, and most religious
"services" are monotonous and boring.
I'm all for having fun.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Girl I was dating in Japan said her family summons a Shinto
priest for funerals but the Buddhists for weddings, "They're
more fun."
Maybe you'd like the Hindus, especially this week for Holi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khN1E0veNVc
(a bit over a minute)
Being a hardcore introvert, my idea of fun is considerably different
from those people.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 3/19/2025 12:53 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Eggs are a red herring to national policy discussions.
Somehow, as the previous national election was approaching,
no right-leaning pundit or voter ever said that. AFAIK.
Instead, the price of eggs was portrayed as a critical issue.
On 3/19/2025 9:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 7:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/19/2025 12:53 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Eggs are a red herring to national policy discussions.
Somehow, as the previous national election was
approaching, no right- leaning pundit or voter ever said
that. AFAIK. Instead, the price of eggs was portrayed as
a critical issue.
General inflation (which is always and everywhere a
monetary phenomenon) was indeed a strong issue in the
recent elections.
Specific item inflation (regional gasoline price increase
after a refinery fire for example, or delivery charges in
New Jersey with I-80 closed at the moment) is different
and such are eggs during this avian influenza wave.
I pretty much agree. But again, those were not the views
expressed by the right, pre-election. Back then, it was all
Biden's fault.
Except for Tom, I think, who probably still said it was
Obama's fault. ;-)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:16:20 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:Some leaders are different. Just like people are different. >>>>>>>> One of the first things you learn in medicine.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:
PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> []'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible, others merely awful, some bearable.
And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone >>>>>>>>>>> with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to >>>>>>>>>>> matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or >>>>>>>>>>> voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need >>>>>>>>>>> followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I >>>>>>>>>>> need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances. >>>>>>>>>>
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get >>>>>>>>>> the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if >>>>>>>>>> the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power >>>>>>>>> and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important. >>>>>>>>
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as >>>>>>>> poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his >>>>>>>> life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last >>>>>>>> days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in >>>>>>>> Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a >>>>>>>> character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL. >>>>>>>> []'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad >>>>>>> that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm pretty sure >>>>> they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a respect person, I >>>>> always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I know nothing of Aramaic but in Latin there's no J (or K,
U, W, Y) so maybe IVSUS in pre-English orthography.
Well, yes, but Jesus - whatever his name was, wasn't a Roman, nor
spoke Latin.
From what I've read he probably spoke Aramaic and his name was likely
Yeshua or Yeshu, which were the two of the most common names in
Galilee at the time.
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
Of course you were - or so you say. And you're never one to brag. ;-)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:36:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the gladiatorial contests of >>ancient Rome. The only difference is that the participants of today's >>sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle races are similar >>except the participants sometimes engage in limited combat. >><https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
I think you over simplify.
I well remember tree climbing contests when
I was in grade school and the girls had rope skipping contests.
And the Olympic "games" that dated back to something like 770 BCE were >initially a religious affair.
I believe it is more accurate to say that mankind has an inborn desire
to be first. In whatever activity, not solely war.
On 3/19/2025 8:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:16:20 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:Some leaders are different. Just like people are different. >>>>>>>>> One of the first things you learn in medicine.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible, others merely awful, some bearable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that usually start with, "For the children...".
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone >>>>>>>>>>>> with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to >>>>>>>>>>>> matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or >>>>>>>>>>>> voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need >>>>>>>>>>>> followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I >>>>>>>>>>>> need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances. >>>>>>>>>>>
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power >>>>>>>>>> and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important. >>>>>>>>>
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as >>>>>>>>> poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his >>>>>>>>> life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last >>>>>>>>> days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in
Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a >>>>>>>>> character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a >>>>>>>>> power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL. >>>>>>>>> []'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad >>>>>>>> that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm pretty sure >>>>>> they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a respect person, I >>>>>> always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I know nothing of Aramaic but in Latin there's no J (or K,
U, W, Y) so maybe IVSUS in pre-English orthography.
Well, yes, but Jesus - whatever his name was, wasn't a Roman, nor
spoke Latin.
From what I've read he probably spoke Aramaic and his name was likely
Yeshua or Yeshu, which were the two of the most common names in
Galilee at the time.
Good point, I agree.
Existing contemporary reports are from Josephus, a Roman in
occupied Israel.
In that the Roman upper classes spoke and wrote Greek, the
spelling is similar in Greek. I could not quickly find
whether Josephus wrote in Latin or in Greek:
https://josephus.org/testimonium.htm
On 3/19/2025 11:44 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:31:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:
That's enough for me. I've been asked to do some volunteer work with
friends in our forest preserve.
They asked you to volunteer?
Yes.
I thought volunteering was when you did something without being
asked...
If a person has valuable knowledge and skills and is pleasant to get
along with, it's not unusual for him be asked to help with projects that >benefit the community. Since it's not mandatory to accept, it is >volunteering.
OTOH, as a rude person who's afraid of social contact and has done
nothing of value, it's not surprising you didn't know that.
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
Of course you were - or so you say. And you're never one to brag. ;-)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:36:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the gladiatorial contests of >>ancient Rome. The only difference is that the participants of today's >>sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle races are similar >>except the participants sometimes engage in limited combat. >><https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
I think you over simplify. I well remember tree climbing contests when
I was in grade school and the girls had rope skipping contests.
And the Olympic "games" that dated back to something like 770 BCE were >initially a religious affair.
I believe it is more accurate to say that mankind has an inborn desire
to be first. In whatever activity, not solely war.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:34:41 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:24 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a
character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL. >>>>>> []'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad >>>>> that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I've seen people say Jeeesus Fscking Christ !!!! Though I
don't think that was what CR meant.
It's possible people thought Jesus was "Allah". Allah was the
pre-Islamic "god". When dreams, fantasies and nightmares are passed
down verbally for thousands of years before they are finally written
down as "fact" I expect a lot of things change.
[]'s
Yes, muddled, unclear connections, derivations, conflation
all through. Koran cribbed a lot from the Hebrews and
incorporated the Christ, which doesn't help to distinguish.
The three religions all worship the same God although using different
terms to identify him.
CWP-7 Park tool crank pullerOn 20 Mar 2025 00:13:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:53:09 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:41 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:17:17 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/19/2025 4:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
�� ����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> se. As long as
they don't
steal too much and actually care for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "subjects".
�� ����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plunder, death
and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some are
horrible, others merely awful, some bearable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosopher.
The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> societies.
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a sword,
knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which can be
pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You can steal
more with a pen than a gun."� The modern
applications of
that usually start with, "For the children...". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No matter what kind of government, there will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take
directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't seem to
matter if the directions are forced on them as in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools, or
voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low
esteem who need
followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all
circumstances.
Not many senior people in the military are weak
kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped
out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft
maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to
have more power
and get more control. I know that they believe they
are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to
feel important.
����Some leaders are different. Just like people are
different.
One of the first things you learn in medicine.
����Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da
Silva. They are as
poor today as they were when they took office......
����Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the
rest of his
life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to
spend his last
days with his family, and only came back to fight the
fascists here in
Brazil.
����Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a
politician not a
character in a� rather badly written fairy tale) was
never a
power/money/control grabber. And he is still a
"Leader" today. LOL.
����[]'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind
of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm
pretty sure
they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a
respect person, I
always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I know nothing of Aramaic but in Latin there's no J (or K,
U, W, Y) so maybe IVSUS in pre-English orthography.
Oops IESVS
Could be.. I don't know. I believe that religion ought to be a fun
thing. Most churches are terrible dreary places, and most religious
"services" are monotonous and boring.
I'm all for having fun.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Girl I was dating in Japan said her family summons a Shinto
priest for funerals but the Buddhists for weddings, "They're
more fun."
Maybe you'd like the Hindus, especially this week for Holi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khN1E0veNVc
(a bit over a minute)
Being a hardcore introvert, my idea of fun is considerably different
from those people.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
It�s rather rigid ie cast system Hinduism, which i suspect would rankle you >somewhat, and later related religions such as Sikhism rejects officially at >least!
Roger Merriman
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 20:34:28 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 8:27 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:16:20 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:06:44 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/19/2025 4:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 15:38:24 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 3/19/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:45:15 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 05:11:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:00:00 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:Some leaders are different. Just like people are different. >>>>>>>>>> One of the first things you learn in medicine.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:14:24 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:31 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 18:38:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 17:22:05 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/18/2025 4:05 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/18/2025 2:54 PM, Shadow wrote:And as always, I'll ask: So what's the solution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
����PS Not all monarchies are "bad" per se. As long as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
steal too much and actually care for their "subjects". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ����[]'s
I agree again.
But with every system, there are degrees of plunder, death >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and destruction. Some pursue mass murder, some are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horrible, others merely awful, some bearable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
heh heh heh read some Marx! or any political philosopher. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The dialectic is eternal.
It's perpetual conflict. Inherent to all human societies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
In some cases civil and rhetorical, in others with a sword, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knout, secret police or what have you.
Oh and don't discount 'civil and rhetorical' which can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pernicious and severe. Per Alphonse Capone, "You can steal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more with a pen than a gun." The modern applications of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that usually start with, "For the children...". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No matter what kind of government, there will be at least one person
who wants to take control of everybody else... and believes it's only
right and proper that he does so.
Never mind governments... in any group.
Frankie???
It's a self esteem thing. When people take directions from someone
with low esteem it makes them feel important. It doesn't seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>> matter if the directions are forced on them as in schools, or >>>>>>>>>>>>> voluntary as in social groups.
I think leaders are generally people with low esteem who need >>>>>>>>>>>>> followers to make them feel important.
It's not, "I'm important so I will lead you." It's more likely, "I
need to feel important, so follow me."
Sorry I can't agree with you, at least in all circumstances. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Not many senior people in the military are weak kneaded, quite simply
because their responsibilities are already mapped out before hey get
the job."I appoint you as in charge of aircraft maintenance" and "if
the airplanes don't fly as scheduled you lose your job" while probably
not spoken is understood by both parties.
"Leaders" in every category are forever striving to have more power >>>>>>>>>>> and get more control. I know that they believe they are "serving," but
that's a bullshit attempt to justify their need to feel important. >>>>>>>>>>
Study "Pepe" Mujica and Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. They are as >>>>>>>>>> poor today as they were when they took office......
Mujica retired last year, and wants to spend the rest of his >>>>>>>>>> life on his farm. Lula retired in 2010 intending to spend his last >>>>>>>>>> days with his family, and only came back to fight the fascists here in
Brazil.
Even Jesus, who I believe existed (but as a politician not a >>>>>>>>>> character in a rather badly written fairy tale) was never a >>>>>>>>>> power/money/control grabber. And he is still a "Leader" today. LOL. >>>>>>>>>> []'s
Yeah, from what I read he seemed like an allright kind of guy. Too bad
that so many people call him by the wrong name.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Allah?
I read somewhere that his name started with "y," but I'm pretty sure >>>>>>> they didn't have the English alphabet then. Being a respect person, I >>>>>>> always reffered to him as Mr. Christ.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're maybe thinking YWH, whose name shall not be spoken.
Oh, and The Christ is an honorific not a name.
Yeah, I knew that. I was teasing. I do that sometimes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
I know nothing of Aramaic but in Latin there's no J (or K,
U, W, Y) so maybe IVSUS in pre-English orthography.
Well, yes, but Jesus - whatever his name was, wasn't a Roman, nor
spoke Latin.
From what I've read he probably spoke Aramaic and his name was likely
Yeshua or Yeshu, which were the two of the most common names in
Galilee at the time.
Good point, I agree.
Existing contemporary reports are from Josephus, a Roman in
occupied Israel.
In that the Roman upper classes spoke and wrote Greek, the
spelling is similar in Greek. I could not quickly find
whether Josephus wrote in Latin or in Greek:
https://josephus.org/testimonium.htm
Given the rather amazing amount of controversy over the validity of
that statement...
https://josephus.org/testhist.htm
On 3/19/2025 9:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/19/2025 7:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/19/2025 12:53 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Eggs are a red herring to national policy discussions.
Somehow, as the previous national election was approaching, no right-
leaning pundit or voter ever said that. AFAIK. Instead, the price of
eggs was portrayed as a critical issue.
General inflation (which is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon)
was indeed a strong issue in the recent elections.
Specific item inflation (regional gasoline price increase after a
refinery fire for example, or delivery charges in New Jersey with I-80
closed at the moment) is different and such are eggs during this avian
influenza wave.
I pretty much agree. But again, those were not the views expressed by
the right, pre-election. Back then, it was all Biden's fault.
Except for Tom, I think, who probably still said it was Obama's fault. ;-)
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 04:02:54 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:06:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski >><[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>>> know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
Of course you were - or so you say. And you're never one to brag. ;-)
Just refuting the accusations like I did with your claiming I was fat
or when you challenged me about writing.
You can see pictures of me. Do you really doubt this guy wasn't an
athlete?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53147607323/in/datetaken/
How an he be? After all Frankie wasn't and everyone know that he was
the epitome of American Manhood..... don't they?
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 04:02:54 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:06:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>>> know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
Of course you were - or so you say. And you're never one to brag. ;-)
Just refuting the accusations like I did with your claiming I was fat
or when you challenged me about writing.
You can see pictures of me. Do you really doubt this guy wasn't an
athlete?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53147607323/in/datetaken/
How an he be? After all Frankie wasn't and everyone know that he was
the epitome of American Manhood..... don't they?
On 3/20/2025 7:16 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 04:02:54 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:06:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>>>> know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
Of course you were - or so you say. And you're never one to
brag. ;-)
Just refuting the accusations like I did with your claiming I was fat
or when you challenged me about writing.
You can see pictures of me. Do you really doubt this guy wasn't an
athlete?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53147607323/in/datetaken/
How an he be? After all Frankie wasn't and everyone know that he was
the epitome of American Manhood..... don't they?
epitome? maybe not so much, but on a relative scale in _this_ forum?
much morose than the chihuahuas yapping at his heels.
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 04:02:54 -0400, floriduh dumbass
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:06:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>>> know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
Of course you were - or so you say. And you're never one to brag. ;-)
Just refuting the accusations like I did with your claiming I was fat
or when you challenged me about writing.
You can see pictures of me. Do you really doubt this guy wasn't an
athlete?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53147607323/in/datetaken/
On 3/19/2025 9:41 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:06:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:What's a "letter guy" ?
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>>> know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
Of course you were - or so you say. And you're never one to brag. ;-) >>
Even the urban dictionary let me down on that one. And Google
has become absolutely hopeless.....
In the U.S., a high school student who qualifies for an official team
sport gets to wear a special sweater or jacket with a big letter
attached to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_letter
But no, that wouldn't have anything to do with bragging. Nope. Not at
all. ;-)
On 3/19/2025 9:41 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:06:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>>> know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
Of course you were - or so you say. And you're never one to brag. ;-)
What's a "letter guy" ?
Even the urban dictionary let me down on that one. And Google
has become absolutely hopeless.....
In the U.S., a high school student who qualifies for an official team
sport gets to wear a special sweater or jacket with a big letter
attached to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_letter
But no, that wouldn't have anything to do with bragging. Nope. Not at
all. ;-)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 22:08:56 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:37:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:36:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the gladiatorial contests of >>>>ancient Rome. The only difference is that the participants of today's >>>>sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle races are similar >>>>except the participants sometimes engage in limited combat. >>>><https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
I think you over simplify.
I agree. I was in a hurry to leave for lunch with some friends and
did not have sufficient time to embellish my comments with details and >>references. So, I just provided my main talking point and ran away.
I well remember tree climbing contests when
I was in grade school and the girls had rope skipping contests.
And the Olympic "games" that dated back to something like 770 BCE were >>>initially a religious affair.
I believe it is more accurate to say that mankind has an inborn desire
to be first. In whatever activity, not solely war.
I agree. However, the form that this competition takes seem to
parallel similar forms found in warfare. For example, the early
Olympic competition featured athletic games that would all have been
useful in warfare. (Javelin, discus, long jump and hammer). I'm not
sure what you mean by "religious affair".
The ancient Olympic Games (Ancient Greek: t? ???�p?a, ta Olympia[1]),
or the ancient Olympics, were a series of athletic competitions among >representatives of city-states and one of the Panhellenic Games of
ancient Greece. They were held at the Panhellenic religious sanctuary
of Olympia, in honor of Zeus, and the Greeks gave them a mythological
origin.
Note the term Panhellenic Games.
"Panhellenic Games is the collective term for four separate religious >festivals held in ancient Greece that became especially well known for
the athletic competitions they included."
Games and battles haveI don't recall any reference to the Olympics being held to ensure
always included ceremonial requests that the gods provide the
participants with victory or survival.
victory although I did see
"During the celebration of the games, the Olympic truce (ekecheir�a)
was announced so that athletes and religious pilgrims could travel
from their cities to the games in safety. The prizes for the victors
were olive leaf wreaths or crowns. The games became a political tool
used by city-states to assert dominance over their rival city states. >Politicians would announce political alliances at the games, and in
times of war, priests would offer sacrifices to the gods for victory.
Thje Olimopocs were [receded by
"Day Three: Sacrifices (Hecatomb) and feast" >><https://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/the-ancient-olympics-bridging-past-and-present/content-section-7>
We no longer sacrifice 100 bulls at the Olympic Games. Emptying the >>treasury of the host city or country is a tolerable substitute.
On 3/19/2025 9:41 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:06:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>>> know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
Of course you were - or so you say. And you're never one to brag. ;-)
What's a "letter guy" ?
Even the urban dictionary let me down on that one. And Google
has become absolutely hopeless.....
In the U.S., a high school student who qualifies for an official team
sport gets to wear a special sweater or jacket with a big letter
attached to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_letter
But no, that wouldn't have anything to do with bragging. Nope. Not at
all. ;-)
On 3/20/2025 4:01 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 20:56:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 11:44 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:31:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:
That's enough for me. I've been asked to do some volunteer work with >>>>> friends in our forest preserve.
They asked you to volunteer?
Yes.
I thought volunteering was when you did something without being
asked...
If a person has valuable knowledge and skills and is pleasant to get
along with, it's not unusual for him be asked to help with projects that >>> benefit the community. Since it's not mandatory to accept, it is
volunteering.
OTOH, as a rude person who's afraid of social contact and has done
nothing of value, it's not surprising you didn't know that.
You didn't see the picture I posted of Jimmy?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53971342104/
He had Parkinson's. We eventually bought him his own Catrike.
So you claim.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:32:49 -0400, floriduh dumbass
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>> Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions,
plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to
promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape,
unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore
efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a
fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available
dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly going deeper.
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of
illegals.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building.
The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift
shelters on the streets.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine.
Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting
nuclear weapons.
Better than now, with an unelected billionaire taking over government
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:32:49 -0400, floriduh dumbass
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>>> Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions,
plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as >>>> a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give >>>> power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to >>>> promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape, >>>> unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore
efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a >>>> fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available
dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly going deeper.
Yup, The big acceleration started under the Bush administration with the
TARP act, continued along the same trend then eased slightly under
Obama, took another sharp increase under trump (covid pandemic) the
eased again slightly under Biden. Trump added more non-covid debt that
the entire debt added by Biden.
https://www.crfb.org/papers/trump-and-biden-national-debt
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
nope, just more magatard pabulum
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Astounding, yes, but on the decline under Biden >https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2025/2025-cdc-reports-decline-in-us-drug-overdose-deaths.html
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of
illegals.
Yup, and now billions are being sent to expel them. Let's watch the
price of fruit the next harvest season.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building.
Yup, about 2 according to the GAO.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-107060
The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift
shelters on the streets.
And if we spent money on the homeless here, you'd bitch about that too.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine.
Yup >https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-use-autopen-jan-6-pardons-2046401
Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
No, they weren't.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
Which continues unabated
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgezypn3nzo
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/03/20/israel-continues-to-strike-syria-while-expanding-its-land-incursions/
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting
nuclear weapons.
The same usual suspects for decades. Nothing new.
Better than now, with an unelected billionaire taking over government >buildings by force.
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/19/doge-institute-peace-staff-resistance-00238488
We'll see how happy you are when Musk decides you don't deserve your
social security or medicare.
On Tue Mar 18 17:18:50 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Flunky, I don't know if you have a degree or not.
But you've never worked as a real engineer
znd your comprehension of engineering and its principles is so little as to be nothing.
The FACT that you speed every minute of your working hours on this newsgroup
and your continuous bullshitting about what you do is proof of that.
If you're self supporting that is fine. But don't tell us that you know shit from Shinola.
At your age you tell us you're a racer.
Then you try to pass off that you did 2, 200 mile rides at an average speed of 20 mph with climbing in them
We don't need you pretending to be important.
You quite obviously aren't.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:45:45 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 13:48:08 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 22:08:56 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:37:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:36:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>>> know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the gladiatorial contests of >>>>>> ancient Rome. The only difference is that the participants of today's >>>>>> sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle races are similar >>>>>> except the participants sometimes engage in limited combat.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
I think you over simplify.
I agree. I was in a hurry to leave for lunch with some friends and
did not have sufficient time to embellish my comments with details and >>>> references. So, I just provided my main talking point and ran away.
I well remember tree climbing contests when
I was in grade school and the girls had rope skipping contests.
And the Olympic "games" that dated back to something like 770 BCE were >>>>> initially a religious affair.
I believe it is more accurate to say that mankind has an inborn desire >>>>> to be first. In whatever activity, not solely war.
I agree. However, the form that this competition takes seem to
parallel similar forms found in warfare. For example, the early
Olympic competition featured athletic games that would all have been
useful in warfare. (Javelin, discus, long jump and hammer). I'm not
sure what you mean by "religious affair".
The ancient Olympic Games (Ancient Greek: t? ???µp?a, ta Olympia[1]),
or the ancient Olympics, were a series of athletic competitions among
representatives of city-states and one of the Panhellenic Games of
ancient Greece. They were held at the Panhellenic religious sanctuary
of Olympia, in honor of Zeus, and the Greeks gave them a mythological
origin.
Note the term Panhellenic Games.
"Panhellenic Games is the collective term for four separate religious
festivals held in ancient Greece that became especially well known for
the athletic competitions they included."
Games and battles haveI don't recall any reference to the Olympics being held to ensure
always included ceremonial requests that the gods provide the
participants with victory or survival.
victory although I did see
"During the celebration of the games, the Olympic truce (ekecheiría)
was announced so that athletes and religious pilgrims could travel
from their cities to the games in safety. The prizes for the victors
were olive leaf wreaths or crowns. The games became a political tool
used by city-states to assert dominance over their rival city states.
Politicians would announce political alliances at the games, and in
times of war, priests would offer sacrifices to the gods for victory.
Thje Olimopocs were [receded by
"Day Three: Sacrifices (Hecatomb) and feast"
<https://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/the-ancient-olympics-bridging-past-and-present/content-section-7>
We no longer sacrifice 100 bulls at the Olympic Games. Emptying the
treasury of the host city or country is a tolerable substitute.
It's interesting that there are many prayers available on the
interknot for cyclists to offer before a bicycle race. 4 example:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=prayer%20before%20bicycle%20race>
I might go so far as to suggest that ALL religions have some form of
prayer to their respective divinity for a favorable (athletic)
outcome.
While the motivation for holding the Olympic games will vary depending
on the readers point of view, I point out again that the original
games involved weapons of war (javelin, discus, long jump and hammer).
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
1897? The Japanese used bicycles very successfully during the invasion
of Malaysia - 1941
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for example.
097981 On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 00:33:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/20/2025 4:14 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:26:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring all >relevant facts it dislikes.
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:32:49 -0400, floriduh dumbass
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New >>>>>>> Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, >>>>>> plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as >>>>>> a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give >>>>>> power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective >>>>>> committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to >>>>>> promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape, >>>>>> unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be >>>>>> solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to >>>>>> solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a >>>>>> genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal >>>>>> government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the >>>>>> federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore >>>>>> efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a >>>>>> fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available >>>>>> dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their >>>>>> services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and >>>>>> form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly going deeper.
Yup, The big acceleration started under the Bush administration with the >>> TARP act, continued along the same trend then eased slightly under
Obama, took another sharp increase under trump (covid pandemic) the
eased again slightly under Biden. Trump added more non-covid debt that
the entire debt added by Biden.
https://www.crfb.org/papers/trump-and-biden-national-debt
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
nope, just more magatard pabulum
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Astounding, yes, but on the decline under Biden
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2025/2025-cdc-reports-decline-in-us-drug-overdose-deaths.html
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of
illegals.
Yup, and now billions are being sent to expel them. Let's watch the
price of fruit the next harvest season.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building.
Yup, about 2 according to the GAO.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-107060
The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift >>>>> shelters on the streets.
And if we spent money on the homeless here, you'd bitch about that too.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine.
Yup
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-use-autopen-jan-6-pardons-2046401
Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
No, they weren't.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
Which continues unabated
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgezypn3nzo
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/03/20/israel-continues-to-strike-syria-while-expanding-its-land-incursions/
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting >>>>> nuclear weapons.
The same usual suspects for decades. Nothing new.
Better than now, with an unelected billionaire taking over government
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
buildings by force.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/19/doge-institute-peace-staff-resistance-00238488
We'll see how happy you are when Musk decides you don't deserve your
social security or medicare.
Apparently, the far left media still has a few followers.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:19:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 9:41 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:06:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:What's a "letter guy" ?
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 16:12:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, floriduh dumbass^ always picked last for dodgeball
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>>>> know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
I was a letter guy in high school and in college.
Of course you were - or so you say. And you're never one to brag. ;-) >>>
Even the urban dictionary let me down on that one. And Google
has become absolutely hopeless.....
In the U.S., a high school student who qualifies for an official team
sport gets to wear a special sweater or jacket with a big letter
attached to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_letter
But no, that wouldn't have anything to do with bragging. Nope. Not at
all. ;-)
I used to swim freestyle for the State/County team.Juniors,
gave up when I was 18 due to heavy smoking and lack of time for
training. Where would I put my "special" letter?
(No painful suggestions please)
[]'s
Surprised it wasn't in the Urban Dictionary. Maybe it's an old expression.
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-
who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for example.
On 3/20/2025 8:16 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:45:45 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 13:48:08 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 22:08:56 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:37:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:36:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't >>>>>>>> know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the gladiatorial contests of >>>>>>> ancient Rome. The only difference is that the participants of
today's
sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle races are
similar
except the participants sometimes engage in limited combat.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
I think you over simplify.
I agree. I was in a hurry to leave for lunch with some friends and >>>>> did not have sufficient time to embellish my comments with details and >>>>> references. So, I just provided my main talking point and ran away. >>>>>
I well remember tree climbing contests when
I was in grade school and the girls had rope skipping contests.
And the Olympic "games" that dated back to something like 770 BCE
were
initially a religious affair.
I believe it is more accurate to say that mankind has an inborn
desire
to be first. In whatever activity, not solely war.
I agree. However, the form that this competition takes seem to
parallel similar forms found in warfare. For example, the early
Olympic competition featured athletic games that would all have been >>>>> useful in warfare. (Javelin, discus, long jump and hammer). I'm not >>>>> sure what you mean by "religious affair".
The ancient Olympic Games (Ancient Greek: t? ???µp?a, ta Olympia[1]), >>>> or the ancient Olympics, were a series of athletic competitions among
representatives of city-states and one of the Panhellenic Games of
ancient Greece. They were held at the Panhellenic religious sanctuary
of Olympia, in honor of Zeus, and the Greeks gave them a mythological
origin.
Note the term Panhellenic Games.
"Panhellenic Games is the collective term for four separate religious
festivals held in ancient Greece that became especially well known for >>>> the athletic competitions they included."
Games and battles haveI don't recall any reference to the Olympics being held to ensure
always included ceremonial requests that the gods provide the
participants with victory or survival.
victory although I did see
"During the celebration of the games, the Olympic truce (ekecheiría)
was announced so that athletes and religious pilgrims could travel
from their cities to the games in safety. The prizes for the victors
were olive leaf wreaths or crowns. The games became a political tool
used by city-states to assert dominance over their rival city states.
Politicians would announce political alliances at the games, and in
times of war, priests would offer sacrifices to the gods for victory.
Thje Olimopocs were [receded by
"Day Three: Sacrifices (Hecatomb) and feast"
<https://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/the-ancient-
olympics-bridging-past-and-present/content-section-7>
We no longer sacrifice 100 bulls at the Olympic Games. Emptying the >>>>> treasury of the host city or country is a tolerable substitute.
It's interesting that there are many prayers available on the
interknot for cyclists to offer before a bicycle race. 4 example:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=prayer%20before%20bicycle%20race>
I might go so far as to suggest that ALL religions have some form of
prayer to their respective divinity for a favorable (athletic)
outcome.
While the motivation for holding the Olympic games will vary depending
on the readers point of view, I point out again that the original
games involved weapons of war (javelin, discus, long jump and hammer).
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-
who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
1897? The Japanese used bicycles very successfully during the invasion
of Malaysia - 1941
As did the Italian Bersaglieri against the Austrians in The Great War.
As did the British against the Boers 20 years before that.
On 3/20/2025 4:14 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:26:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:32:49 -0400, floriduh dumbass
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans
in New
Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, >>>>>> plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential
dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to
give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective >>>>>> committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such
problems to
promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good
shape,
unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be >>>>>> solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to >>>>>> solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a >>>>>> genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal >>>>>> government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the >>>>>> federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore >>>>>> efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which
only a
fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available >>>>>> dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their >>>>>> services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and >>>>>> form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly going deeper.
Yup, The big acceleration started under the Bush administration with the >>> TARP act, continued along the same trend then eased slightly under
Obama, took another sharp increase under trump (covid pandemic) the
eased again slightly under Biden. Trump added more non-covid debt that
the entire debt added by Biden.
https://www.crfb.org/papers/trump-and-biden-national-debt
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
nope, just more magatard pabulum
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-
rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Astounding, yes, but on the decline under Biden
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2025/2025-cdc-reports-decline-in-
us-drug-overdose-deaths.html
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of
illegals.
Yup, and now billions are being sent to expel them. Let's watch the
price of fruit the next harvest season.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building.
Yup, about 2 according to the GAO.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-107060
The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift >>>>> shelters on the streets.
And if we spent money on the homeless here, you'd bitch about that too.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine.
Yup
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-use-autopen-
jan-6-pardons-2046401
Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
No, they weren't.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
Which continues unabated
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgezypn3nzo
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/03/20/israel-continues-to-strike-
syria-while-expanding-its-land-incursions/
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting >>>>> nuclear weapons.
The same usual suspects for decades. Nothing new.
Better than now, with an unelected billionaire taking over government
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
buildings by force.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/19/doge-institute-peace-staff-
resistance-00238488
We'll see how happy you are when Musk decides you don't deserve your
social security or medicare.
Apparently, the far left media still has a few followers.
On 3/20/2025 4:14 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:26:01 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:32:49 -0400, floriduh dumbassYup, The big acceleration started under the Bush administration with the >>>> TARP act, continued along the same trend then eased slightly under
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans >>>>>>>> in New
Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when >>>>>>> things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions, >>>>>>> plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential
dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to >>>>>>> give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective >>>>>>> committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such
problems to
promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good >>>>>>> shape,
unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be >>>>>>> solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to >>>>>>> solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a >>>>>>> genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal >>>>>>> government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the >>>>>>> federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore >>>>>>> efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which >>>>>>> only a
fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available >>>>>>> dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their >>>>>>> services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and >>>>>>> form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly going deeper. >>>>
Obama, took another sharp increase under trump (covid pandemic) the
eased again slightly under Biden. Trump added more non-covid debt that >>>> the entire debt added by Biden.
https://www.crfb.org/papers/trump-and-biden-national-debt
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
nope, just more magatard pabulum
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-
rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Astounding, yes, but on the decline under Biden
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2025/2025-cdc-reports-decline-in-
us-drug-overdose-deaths.html
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of >>>>>> illegals.
Yup, and now billions are being sent to expel them. Let's watch the
price of fruit the next harvest season.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building.
Yup, about 2 according to the GAO.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-107060
The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift >>>>>> shelters on the streets.
And if we spent money on the homeless here, you'd bitch about that too. >>>>
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine.
Yup
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-use-autopen-
jan-6-pardons-2046401
Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at >>>>>> them in locker rooms.
No, they weren't.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
Which continues unabated
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgezypn3nzo
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/03/20/israel-continues-to-strike-
syria-while-expanding-its-land-incursions/
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting >>>>>> nuclear weapons.
The same usual suspects for decades. Nothing new.
Better than now, with an unelected billionaire taking over government
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
buildings by force.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/19/doge-institute-peace-staff-
resistance-00238488
We'll see how happy you are when Musk decides you don't deserve your
social security or medicare.
Apparently, the far left media still has a few followers.
Yup, those of us who chose not to live in a world of willful ignorance
and propaganda sanitized with right-wing spunk.
On 3/20/2025 4:14 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:26:01 -0400, Zen CycleApparently the far right still maintains its world view by
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:32:49 -0400, floriduh dumbass
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:03:33 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very
primitive clans in New
Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during
times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars,
droughts, invasions,
plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or
potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix
everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people
a reason to give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically
ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using
such problems to
promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy
was in good shape,
unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem
which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a
dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis
that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle
the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue
to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective
(and therefore
efficient). In other words, they create a situation
from which only a
fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the
only available
dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely
offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union
in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant
balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Going into 2024, the USA was deep into debt and rapidly
going deeper.
Yup, The big acceleration started under the Bush
administration with the
TARP act, continued along the same trend then eased
slightly under
Obama, took another sharp increase under trump (covid
pandemic) the
eased again slightly under Biden. Trump added more non-
covid debt that
the entire debt added by Biden.
https://www.crfb.org/papers/trump-and-biden-national-debt
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose
to commit
another crime.
nope, just more magatard pabulum
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-
violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Astounding, yes, but on the decline under Biden
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2025/2025-cdc-reports-
decline-in-us-drug-overdose-deaths.html
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of
the influx of
illegals.
Yup, and now billions are being sent to expel them. Let's
watch the
price of fruit the next harvest season.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building.
Yup, about 2 according to the GAO.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-107060
The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living
in makeshift
shelters on the streets.
And if we spent money on the homeless here, you'd bitch
about that too.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine.
Yup
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-use-
autopen-jan-6-pardons-2046401
Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their
dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
No, they weren't.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
Which continues unabated
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgezypn3nzo
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/03/20/israel-continues-
to-strike-syria-while-expanding-its-land-incursions/
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the
verge of getting
nuclear weapons.
The same usual suspects for decades. Nothing new.
Better than now, with an unelected billionaire taking
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
over government
buildings by force.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/19/doge-institute-
peace-staff-resistance-00238488
We'll see how happy you are when Musk decides you don't
deserve your
social security or medicare.
Apparently, the far left media still has a few followers.
ignoring all relevant facts it dislikes.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 00:23:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for example.
It's a shame that so many of the supporters of DEI are ignorant as to
what it means.
--
not throwing my pearls at swine
Apologies to Mick and the boys and Jesus,too
There used to be a "lettermens sweater".
https://www.thecoop.com/Harvard-Champion-College-Sweater.
Web searches seem to show them a bit more in vogue now, compered to when
I was in in high-school and college, when "Varsity Jackets" were where
the choice:
https://jacketshop.com/in-stock-jackets/
Wool body with (p)leather arms
It wasn't uncommon to see a star athlete with more than one letter for
each sport they had lettered in. FWIW, I lettered in Band.I still have
the letter, never bothered with a jacket or sweater.
--Surprised it wasn't in the Urban Dictionary. Maybe it's an old
expression.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-
who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
On 3/20/2025 9:21 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 8:16 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 10:45:45 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 13:48:08 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 22:08:56 -0700, Jeff Liebermannfor the victors
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:37:40 +0700, John B.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:36:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch
people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the
gladiatorial contests of
ancient Rome. The only difference is that the
participants of today's
sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle
races are similar
except the participants sometimes engage in limited
combat.
<https://www.google.com/search?
q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
I think you over simplify.
I agree. I was in a hurry to leave for lunch with
some friends and
did not have sufficient time to embellish my comments
with details and
references. So, I just provided my main talking point
and ran away.
I well remember tree climbing contests when
I was in grade school and the girls had rope skipping
contests.
And the Olympic "games" that dated back to something
like 770 BCE were
initially a religious affair.
I believe it is more accurate to say that mankind has
an inborn desire
to be first. In whatever activity, not solely war.
I agree. However, the form that this competition
takes seem to
parallel similar forms found in warfare. For example,
the early
Olympic competition featured athletic games that would
all have been
useful in warfare. (Javelin, discus, long jump and
hammer). I'm not
sure what you mean by "religious affair".
The ancient Olympic Games (Ancient Greek: t? ???µp?a,
ta Olympia[1]),
or the ancient Olympics, were a series of athletic
competitions among
representatives of city-states and one of the
Panhellenic Games of
ancient Greece. They were held at the Panhellenic
religious sanctuary
of Olympia, in honor of Zeus, and the Greeks gave them
a mythological
origin.
Note the term Panhellenic Games.
"Panhellenic Games is the collective term for four
separate religious
festivals held in ancient Greece that became especially
well known for
the athletic competitions they included."
Games and battles haveI don't recall any reference to the Olympics being held
always included ceremonial requests that the gods
provide the
participants with victory or survival.
to ensure
victory although I did see
"During the celebration of the games, the Olympic truce
(ekecheiría)
was announced so that athletes and religious pilgrims
could travel
from their cities to the games in safety. The prizes
were olive leaf wreaths or crowns. The games became a
political tool
used by city-states to assert dominance over their
rival city states.
Politicians would announce political alliances at the
games, and in
times of war, priests would offer sacrifices to the
gods for victory.
Thje Olimopocs were [receded by
"Day Three: Sacrifices (Hecatomb) and feast"
<https://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/the-
ancient- olympics-bridging-past-and-present/content-
section-7>
We no longer sacrifice 100 bulls at the Olympic
Games. Emptying the
treasury of the host city or country is a tolerable
substitute.
It's interesting that there are many prayers available
on the
interknot for cyclists to offer before a bicycle race.
4 example:
<https://www.google.com/search?
q=prayer%20before%20bicycle%20race>
I might go so far as to suggest that ALL religions have
some form of
prayer to their respective divinity for a favorable
(athletic)
outcome.
While the motivation for holding the Olympic games will
vary depending
on the readers point of view, I point out again that the
original
games involved weapons of war (javelin, discus, long
jump and hammer).
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was
considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race,
but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of
bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether
they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-
buffalo-soldiers- who-biked-across-the-american-
west-180980246/>
1897? The Japanese used bicycles very successfully during
the invasion
of Malaysia - 1941
As did the Italian Bersaglieri against the Austrians in
The Great War.
As did the British against the Boers 20 years before that.
It's not dead yet!
https://www.campfirecycling.com/blog/2017/07/10/the-bikes- of-future-past-bike-in-the-cold-war-and-beyond
"Sergeant Bokousky poses with his customized, accessorized
Montague Paratrooper folding mountain bicycle, at Kandahar
Air Base, Afghanistan, circa 2010."
On 3/21/2025 3:11 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 00:23:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for example.
It's a shame that so many of the supporters of DEI are ignorant as to
what it means.
--
not throwing my pearls at swine
Apologies to Mick and the boys and Jesus,too
The meaning is all too clear:
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/farm-attacks-in-sa-surge-after-eff-sings-kill-the-boer-song-breaking-news-06-august-2023/
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 07:44:47 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:11 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 00:23:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an >>>>> endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport, >>>>> the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're supposed to pretend >>>> black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for example.
It's a shame that so many of the supporters of DEI are ignorant as to
what it means.
--
not throwing my pearls at swine
Apologies to Mick and the boys and Jesus,too
The meaning is all too clear:
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/farm-attacks-in-sa-surge-after-eff-sings-kill-the-boer-song-breaking-news-06-august-2023/
Racism in the name of anti-racism.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 04:52:03 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
There used to be a "lettermens sweater".
https://www.thecoop.com/Harvard-Champion-College-Sweater.
No letters there.
Web searches seem to show them a bit more in vogue now, compered to when
I was in in high-school and college, when "Varsity Jackets" were where
the choice:
https://jacketshop.com/in-stock-jackets/
Wool body with (p)leather arms
It wasn't uncommon to see a star athlete with more than one letter for
each sport they had lettered in. FWIW, I lettered in Band.I still have
the letter, never bothered with a jacket or sweater.
I'm at a disadvantage. Couldn't find "Band" anywhere
associated with sport.
Urban dictionary and Google suggested a musical band. The
latter with the disclaimer that "it's not really a sport" if no
competition is involved, though some American schools accept it as a
sport.
[]'s
Surprised it wasn't in the Urban Dictionary. Maybe it's an old
expression.
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was
considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a
race, but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of
bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether
they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-
buffalo-soldiers-
who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're
supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for
example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're
pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said
other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola
Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and
the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress
bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always
will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out
public access to information containing some "trigger words"
using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects
of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an >>>>> endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport, >>>>> the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers-
who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're supposed to pretend >>>> black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-jackie-robinson-
military-history-article-was-mistakenly-removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola Gay, the Navajo >>> Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out public access
to information containing some "trigger words" using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects of the web
pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
On Fri Mar 21 13:28:46 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a race, but more an >>>>>> endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of bicycle transport, >>>>>> the event was basically a military exercise. Whether they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-buffalo-soldiers- >>>>>> who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're supposed to pretend >>>>> black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said other content will >>>> be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola Gay, the Navajo >>>> Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out public access
to information containing some "trigger words" using crude algorithms
generated by glorified hackers working for an unelected billionaire.
Seriously, we shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects of the web
pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
Only Frank believes that American taxpayers have the responsibility to pay off corrupt government offices.
On Wed Mar 19 22:08:56 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:37:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:36:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the gladiatorial contests of
ancient Rome. The only difference is that the participants of today's >>>> sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle races are similar >>>> except the participants sometimes engage in limited combat.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
I think you over simplify.
I agree. I was in a hurry to leave for lunch with some friends and
did not have sufficient time to embellish my comments with details and
references. So, I just provided my main talking point and ran away.
I well remember tree climbing contests when
I was in grade school and the girls had rope skipping contests.
And the Olympic "games" that dated back to something like 770 BCE were
initially a religious affair.
I believe it is more accurate to say that mankind has an inborn desire
to be first. In whatever activity, not solely war.
I agree. However, the form that this competition takes seem to
parallel similar forms found in warfare. For example, the early
Olympic competition featured athletic games that would all have been
useful in warfare. (Javelin, discus, long jump and hammer). I'm not
sure what you mean by "religious affair". Games and battles have
always included ceremonial requests that the gods provide the
participants with victory or survival.
"Day Three: Sacrifices (Hecatomb) and feast"
<https://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/the-ancient-olympics-bridging-past-and-present/content-section-7>
We no longer sacrifice 100 bulls at the Olympic Games. Emptying the
treasury of the host city or country is a tolerable substitute.
Jeff, this is two thousand and twenty five years after Christ was born. My wife asked me what I thought she should work to accomplish before she died. She brough four children into the world raised six, taught hundreds, and has taught the Bible tochurch group after church group and asks me what she should accomplish?
This is a Christian nation and we really don't need your assinnine comments about olympic games being designed to promote wars. Those were things you HAVE to know to keep your country safe. Because you don't have a country, in your mind, doesn't meanthat others shouldn't. I believe that you should return to Poland or wherever and see how they treat people of your kind.
On Tue Mar 18 20:03:33 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:50:15 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
(chomp)
But mankind seems to "want" a leader. Even very primitive clans in New
Guinea.
Yep. Some of the worst dictators were hatched during times when
things looked grim. Economic depressions, wars, droughts, invasions,
plagues, crop failures, etc all provide real or potential dictators as
a solution to the problems.
"Just give me control of everything and I'll fix everything".
Whatever the cause, bad times seem to give the people a reason to give
power to dictators instead of allowing the chronically ineffective
committees to hammer out a workable compromise.
What I find amusing is how the US leadership is using such problems to
promote their agenda. Going into 2024, the economy was in good shape,
unemployment was tolerable, inflation was a problem which could be
solved and there was no crisis available that needed a dictator to
solve. The Trump/Musk solution was to create a crisis that only a
genuine dictator could solve. They begin to dismantle the federal
government in the name of "efficiency". They continue to destroy the
federal government until it is completely ineffective (and therefore
efficient). In other words, they create a situation from which only a
fearless leader can save the country. Of course, the only available
dictators available are Trump and Musk who will surely offer their
services to fix the problems they had caused.
Or maybe the individual states secede from the union in disgust and
form their own independent states. Instant balkanization.
Wake me up when the nightmare is over:
<https://logwork.com/countdown-h5o4>
Give us some more comical comments. MOST of government departments were invented ONLY to give a good paying job to some senator's brother-in-law. Ain't it a shame that is ending? Literally hundreds of millions of Ukrainian money has been traced back tothe Democrat congress people. Give countless billions of dollars to the Ukraine and make yourself rich in the process. Ain't it a shame that the Attorney General is going to prosecute these creatures?
On Thu Mar 20 11:26:39 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
And tommy read out three libraries
(More bragging without evidence)
Only Flunky could believe that making over a million dollars AFTER I spent a million dollars treating my mothers uncovered cancer and losing half of my money in a divorce
is not proof that I read out three libraries.
Proof that Flunky didn't even read the text books required for his supposed degree.
On Thu Mar 20 16:47:04 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/20/2025 3:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Mar 18 17:18:50 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Flunky, I don't know if you have a degree or not.
I guess you'll have to take my word for it.
But you've never worked as a real engineer
My work history and managers across the years disagree with you.
znd your comprehension of engineering and its principles is so little as to be nothing.
Like how PWM is used to test cables? lol. Tell us again how you designed
medical devices but never had to deal with the FDA, or how you designed,
tested, and released, wrote a 1000 page manual, and conducted training
for a comm board for the space station in less than a year.
The FACT that you speed every minute of your working hours on this newsgroup
Not a fact at all.
and your continuous bullshitting about what you do is proof of that.
I rarely discuss my work here, you're the one that continually makes up
things about what I do for work - one day I'm a manufacturing engineer,
then I'm a production engineer, then I'm a QC manager...
If you're self supporting that is fine. But don't tell us that you know shit from Shinola.
I know that using a peripheral 24 bit a/d converter in a water current
detection device is not necessary when the integral 10 bit version would
have done the job just as well. I also know no one in the industry uses
the term 'light lines' for fiber optics, and you can't use PWM to test
cables. You, meanwhile are insistent that you've witnessed a blatent
violation of the laws of physics when a dent popped out of your top tube
by riding the bike.
At your age you tell us you're a racer.
Yes, I race. This time of year it's Zwift.
https://www.strava.com/activities/13888341523
Then you try to pass off that you did 2, 200 mile rides at an average speed of 20 mph with climbing in them
No matter how many times you tell that lie, it will never become true.
That's your fabrication. I never wrote, implied, or posted anything even
remotely resembling that. For that fact, no one here believes I've ever
made such a claim, and everyone knows you're making it up.
We don't need you pretending to be important.
You quite obviously aren't.
I've asked this repeatedly - please post any reference where I ever
claimed that.
Just show us your LinkedIn account if you want us to believe that anyone would recommend you.
We don't need you lying about your 200 mile rides. After you posted that and I brought it to everyone's attention you rapidly wiped it off, but it was too late.
And I absolutely love the way that you cannot even read O-scope signals to understand that it is using PWM in that commercial product to measure distance to any fault.
Tell everyone here what the conduction is in a swimming pool leak you damned fool?
The problem isn't that you don't need 24 bit doesn't mean you can even START to get by with 10 bits. What sort of idiot believes that fresh water is a strong conductor?
Why do you have to continually have to prove that you're not a design engineer. That 24 bit A-D was designed into that product by by Charley Button who has several international design awards and you're stupid enough to tell us that you know more thanhe.
All I did was program it to work.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was
done. That there was no way to close the border without Congressional action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump >administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went out the >window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
On 3/21/2025 8:47 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 04:52:03 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
There used to be a "lettermens sweater".
https://www.thecoop.com/Harvard-Champion-College-Sweater.
No letters there.
Web searches seem to show them a bit more in vogue now, compered to when >>> I was in in high-school and college, when "Varsity Jackets" were where
the choice:
https://jacketshop.com/in-stock-jackets/
Wool body with (p)leather arms
It wasn't uncommon to see a star athlete with more than one letter for
each sport they had lettered in. FWIW, I lettered in Band.I still have
the letter, never bothered with a jacket or sweater.
I'm at a disadvantage. Couldn't find "Band" anywhere
associated with sport.
Marching band. Standard accompaniment for high school and college
football and basketball games, as well as a competitive activity in its
own right. I got the letter for high school band, my wife got letters in
both high school and college for band. In some schools it's a larger
program than sports.
https://marching.musicforall.org/result/grand-national-championships-2024/
For example, my wife went to UMass Amherst and was in the "pit" - the >percussion section that is stationary while the rest of the band does
the marching performance.
I went to a football game a few years ago with her when her and some
college friends decided to have a reunion. Typically, most school bands
do a performance at halftime. The UMass band gave three performances - >before, halftime, and after. The most striking part was that the fooball
team cleared the field for halftime - all the benches and game
accessories a team needs were moved - for the band to be able to set up >properly with their sound system, percussion pit, and conductor podiums
(they have 2). More interesting was that the audience stayed in the
stands - not just for the halftime show, but also for the postgame show. >There were more people at the game to watch the band than were there for
the football team.
The UMass Marching band has an outstanding reputation, in 2024 they
played the Macys Thanksgiving parade and played in the recent past at
the Rose Bowl parade, several New England Patriots Home Opener games and >three presidential inaugurations.
--
Urban dictionary and Google suggested a musical band. The
latter with the disclaimer that "it's not really a sport" if no
competition is involved, though some American schools accept it as a
sport.
[]'s
Surprised it wasn't in the Urban Dictionary. Maybe it's an old
expression.
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was
considered
suitable for military transportation.� While not a
race, but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of
bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise.� Whether
they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-
buffalo-soldiers-
who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're
supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for
example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're
pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said
other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola
Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and
the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress
bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always
will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out
public access to information containing some "trigger words"
using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects
of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you. Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because they
are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/20/2025 1:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
In the relatively recent past (1897), the bicycle was
considered
suitable for military transportation. While not a
race, but more an
endurance ride to demonstrate the effectiveness of
bicycle transport,
the event was basically a military exercise. Whether
they prayed
before starting their 1900 mile (3058 km) ride is unknown.
<https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-black-
buffalo-soldiers-
who-biked-across-the-american-west-180980246/>
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're
supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for
example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're
pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said
other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola
Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and
the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress
bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always
will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out
public access to information containing some "trigger words"
using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects
of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you. Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because they
are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming that it's being
done. Much like people making claims about Trumps visit to Russia.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Wed Mar 19 08:46:18 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Frank has done little more then express opinions and ask questions. It's
you and the floriduh dumbass attempting to control him,
Drink your own medicine, dumbass.
According to Flunky, Frank's command that guns be completelky noutlawed is an opinion
and Catrike's claim that we have a Second Amendment is a command.
geez, stupid sure runs deep.
On Wed Mar 19 13:30:35 2025 Shadow wrote:
They were much better than they are now, unless you believe in
the (now perfectly admissible) #FAKE_NEWS.
Corporate #FAKE_NEWS is now known as "free speech". Meta,
Alphabet, X .... You have to watch EU news to see what's really
happening ...
Bit worried about my Tesla shares ... how are sales in Europe?
I think Jeff Liebermann has been watching some real news. Poor
guy. He's become a victim of depressive realism. Which DOES exist,
even if "freedom of speech" assures you it does not.
How can you tell that before the end of the next fiscal year? Making up things to support your communist beliefs proves nothing.
On Wed Mar 19 16:34:18 2025 Catrike Ryder wrote:
The price of eggs has gone down.
And this despite fully a quarter of the flocks in the US have been destroyed because they were infected with bird flu.
We even have the left telling us that we're all going to die from bird flu when it is not transmissable to humans.
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more common >>> on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative importance >>> of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went out the >>> window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of almost >>> all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was
done. That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden
could not waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what
actually happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently
defying the direct Supreme Court ruling.
On Fri Mar 21 05:06:56 2025 zen cycle wrote:
Yup, those of us who chose not to live in a world of willful ignorance
and propaganda sanitized with right-wing spunk.
You lost by an overqwhelming majority
despte the entire lies from the Slime Stream Media and election fraud in California and New York.
What's it feel like to have the whole of this country disagree with you?
On Fri Mar 21 05:06:56 2025 zen cycle wrote:
Yup, those of us who chose not to live in a world of willful ignorance
and propaganda sanitized with right-wing spunk.
You lost by an overqwhelming majority despte the entire lies from the Slime Stream Media and election fraud in California and New York.
What's it feel like to have the whole of this country disagree with you?
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more common >>> on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative importance >>> of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went out the >>> window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of almost >>> all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was
done. That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct
Supreme Court ruling.
On Thu Mar 20 15:26:01 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
Yup, The big acceleration started under the Bush administration with the
TARP act, continued along the same trend then eased slightly under
Obama, took another sharp increase under trump (covid pandemic) the
eased again slightly under Biden. Trump added more non-covid debt that
the entire debt added by Biden.
https://www.crfb.org/papers/trump-and-biden-national-debt
Crime was rampant and criminals were being turned loose to commit
another crime.
nope, just more magatard pabulum
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
Drugs were killing people at an astounding rate.
Astounding, yes, but on the decline under Biden
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2025/2025-cdc-reports-decline-in-us-drug-overdose-deaths.html
Billions of dollars were being spent to take care of the influx of
illegals.
Yup, and now billions are being sent to expel them. Let's watch the
price of fruit the next harvest season.
The government is spending billions of dollars to lease
unused building.
Yup, about 2 according to the GAO.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-107060
The USA is sending billions of dollars to unknown
people in foreign countries while we have people living in makeshift
shelters on the streets.
And if we spent money on the homeless here, you'd bitch about that too.
The President of the USA had no idea what his
handlers were signing into law with a signing machine.
Yup
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-donald-trump-use-autopen-jan-6-pardons-2046401
Men were
allowed to invade women's athletics and wave their dicks around at
them in locker rooms.
No, they weren't.
Wars were killing people all around the globe.
Which continues unabated
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgezypn3nzo
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/03/20/israel-continues-to-strike-syria-while-expanding-its-land-incursions/
World leaders who want to destroy the USA are on the verge of getting
nuclear weapons.
The same usual suspects for decades. Nothing new.
Better than now, with an unelected billionaire taking over government
Yeah sure, things were in good shape?
buildings by force.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/19/doge-institute-peace-staff-resistance-00238488
We'll see how happy you are when Musk decides you don't deserve your
social security or medicare.
1, Trump had a Democrat Congress and SPENDING was in their hands and not his,
2. Neither Tryump, nor Musk have the slightest powerw to end Social Security,
why are you lying about this because Musk is ending social security such as a person with over 20 names making a million dollarws a year is caught?
3. Only Flunky believes that Iran is composing "world leaders".
4. Tell us Flunky, what government building has Elon Musk "taken over by force"? Did he drive a Tesla through the front doors?
5. Tell us Flunky when did President Trump sign pardons for criminals while on vacation?
It must be awful to be not only queer but a stupid queer.
On 3/21/2025 2:44 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're
supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for
example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're
pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said
other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola
Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and
the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress
bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always
will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out
public access to information containing some "trigger words"
using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects
of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you. Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because they
are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming that it's being
done. Much like people making claims about Trumps visit to Russia.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:48:36 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri Mar 21 05:06:56 2025 zen cycle wrote:
Yup, those of us who chose not to live in a world of willful ignorance
and propaganda sanitized with right-wing spunk.
You lost by an overqwhelming majority despte the entire lies from the Slime Stream Media and election fraud in California and New York.
OK, I'll bite. Sources ?
What's it feel like to have the whole of this country disagree with you?
Less than half the electorate voted for Trump. And his
approval is dropping. So a MINORITY of Americans support his madness.
I'd say most of them are to the left of the Bell Curve.
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world
view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply
"everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far,
far more common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the
relative importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in
U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data
set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention?
Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing.
Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable
data went out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly
invent "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to
that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming
it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding"
billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears
whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related:
"Here's _one_ glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide
shrinking of almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we
should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his
staff can't keep
up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women pee
on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the
way it was
done. That there was no way to close the border without
Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides
fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics
with science.
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden
could not waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what
actually happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently
defying the direct Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do
it".
On 3/21/2025 2:44 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're
supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for
example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're
pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said
other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola
Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and
the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress
bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always
will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out
public access to information containing some "trigger words"
using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects
of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you.�� Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because they
are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming that it's being
done.�� Much like people making claims about Trumps visit to Russia.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department- >jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
I can't imagine what it's like to wander though life so willfully ignorant.
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring >>>>>>> all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more
common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative
importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump >>>>> administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went
out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent
"facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to >>>>> "create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone >>>>> else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_
glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of
almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That >>>> there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was
done. That there was no way to close the border without Congressional >>>> action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct
Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring >>>>>>>> all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more
common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative
importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump >>>>>> administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went
out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent
"facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to >>>>>> "create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone >>>>>> else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_
glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of
almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>> up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That >>>>> there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>> done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional >>>>> action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science. >>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct
Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to
keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple
that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved
in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world
view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply
"everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is
far, far more common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the
relative importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods
in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which
data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention?
Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right
wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable
data went out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to
blatantly invent "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to
that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants,
claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is
"finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears
whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related:
"Here's _one_ glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide
shrinking of almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we
should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his
staff can't keep
up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women
pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan
the way it was
done. That there was no way to close the border
without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides
fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in
it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate
politics with science.
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr
Biden could not waive student loans without an Act of
Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what
actually happened, as Mr Biden bragged about
subsequently defying the direct Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to
do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases'
provision for large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail
in cash were miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking
age in Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he
turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live
with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan
forgiveness was a great idea, and still do. One of the
reasons this country lags in education is that we make it
hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to keep the H1B program
going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple that with
this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be
involved in education, and it's no wonder American companies
need to have foreign students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
On 3/21/2025 4:05 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world
view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply
"everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is
far, far more common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the
relative importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods
in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which
data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention?
Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right
wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable
data went out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to
blatantly invent "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to
that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants,
claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is
"finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears
whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related:
"Here's _one_ glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide
shrinking of almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we
should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his
staff can't keep
up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women
pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan
the way it was
done.� That there was no way to close the border
without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides
fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in
it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate
politics with science.
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr
Biden could not waive student loans without an Act of
Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what
actually happened, as Mr Biden bragged about
subsequently defying the direct Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to
do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases'
provision for large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail
in cash were miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking
age in Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he
turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live
with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan
forgiveness was a great idea, and still do. One of the
reasons this country lags in education is that we make it
hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to keep the H1B program
going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple that with
this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be
involved in education, and it's no wonder American companies
need to have foreign students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
That drinking age thing change happened to me as well.
To no effect, I'd been frequenting bars occasionally since I
was 16 and never had any issues.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring >>>>>>>>> all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative
importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump >>>>>>> administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent
"facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to >>>>>>> "create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone >>>>>>> else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_
glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>>> up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That >>>>>> there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>> done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional >>>>>> action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science. >>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct
Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >>education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to
keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple
that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved
in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >graduates' loans. Well of course.....
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring >>>>>>>>>> all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative
importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump >>>>>>>> administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to >>>>>>>> "create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone >>>>>>>> else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>>>> up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That >>>>>>> there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>>> done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional >>>>>>> action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science. >>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>>Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness >>>was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >>>education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to
keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple >>>that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved >>>in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>>students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring >>>>>>>>>> all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative
importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump >>>>>>>> administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to >>>>>>>> "create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone >>>>>>>> else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>>>> up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That >>>>>>> there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>>> done. That there was no way to close the border without Congressional >>>>>>> action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science. >>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in
Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in
education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to
keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple
that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved >>> in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>> students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college
graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
On 3/21/2025 5:04 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:41:36 -0400, Zen Cycle
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:44 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're
supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for
example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're
pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-
mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said
other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the
Enola
Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and
the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29
Superfortress
bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never
existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always
will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe
out
public access to information containing some "trigger
words"
using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing
URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the
subjects
of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree
with
you. Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because
they
are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I agree
with
you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming
that it's being
done. Much like people making claims about Trumps
visit to Russia.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
I can't imagine what it's like to wander though life so
willfully ignorant.
"mistakenly"
That's like "Judge, I shot him by mistake! He moved his head
in front of my handgun just as I pulled the trigger. And I
had his wallet so I could give it to his widow."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-restores- some-webpages-honoring-minority-service-members-but-defends-
dei-purge
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us- politics/military-trump-dei-code-talkers-b2716915.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/22/dei-web-pages-cms- nih-go-dark-00200123
But I understand your ignorance. You can't open your eyes
while your head is buried in the sand.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring >>>>>>>>>>> all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump >>>>>>>>> administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to >>>>>>>>> "create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>>>>> up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That >>>>>>>> there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>>>> done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional >>>>>>>> action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science. >>>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were >>>>> miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>>>Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness >>>>was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >>>>education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple >>>>that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved >>>>in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>>>students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>>graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the
wages.
On 3/21/2025 5:04 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:41:36 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
"mistakenly"On 3/21/2025 2:44 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're
supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for
example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're
pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said
other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola
Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and
the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress
bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably always
will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out
public access to information containing some "trigger words"
using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects
of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you.�� Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because they
are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming that it's being >>>>> done.�� Much like people making claims about Trumps visit to Russia.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
I can't imagine what it's like to wander though life so willfully ignorant. >>
That's like "Judge, I shot him by mistake! He moved his head in front of
my handgun just as I pulled the trigger. And I had his wallet so I could
give it to his widow."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-restores-some-webpages-honoring-minority-service-members-but-defends-dei-purge
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/military-trump-dei-code-talkers-b2716915.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/22/dei-web-pages-cms-nih-go-dark-00200123
But I understand your ignorance. You can't open your eyes while your
head is buried in the sand.
On 3/21/2025 4:43 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college
graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
You're quite flippant about other peoples' earnings.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>>>>>> up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>>>>> done. That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it". >>>>>>>
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for >>>>>> large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were >>>>>> miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in
Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it. >>>>>
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness >>>>> was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >>>>> education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>> keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple >>>>> that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved >>>>> in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>>>> students.
Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over American's
jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want to profit on
the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan, whatever.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college
graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the
wages.
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers,
truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>>>>>> up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>>>>> done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it". >>>>>>>
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for >>>>>> large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were >>>>>> miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>>>>Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness >>>>>was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >>>>>education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>>keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple >>>>>that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved >>>>>in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>>>>students.
Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over American's
jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want to profit on
the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan, whatever.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>>>graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the
wages.
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost
trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers,
truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:46:43 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:43 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college
graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
You're quite flippant about other peoples' earnings.
I'm very concerned about the well being of Plumbers, truck
drivers, and construction workers and the fact that they can no longer
afford education, healthcare or houses for their families.
They could 40-50 years ago. Something changed. And it didn't
change for the better.
[]'s
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:10:59 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>>>>>> done. That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it." >>>>>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it". >>>>>>>>
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for >>>>>>> large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were >>>>>>> miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>>>>> Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it. >>>>>>
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness >>>>>> was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >>>>>> education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>>> keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple >>>>>> that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved >>>>>> in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>>>>> students.
Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over American's
jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want to profit on
the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan, whatever.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>>>> graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the
wages.
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost
trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers,
truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
Let's take their money because they've got too much? I'm not into that
kind of nonesense. On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "lets take
away their power and influence because they've got to much of it."
That might solve a lot of problems.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:10:59 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>>>>>> done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it." >>>>>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it". >>>>>>>>
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for >>>>>>> large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were >>>>>>> miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>>>>>Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it. >>>>>>
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness >>>>>>was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >>>>>>education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>>>keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple >>>>>>that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved >>>>>>in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>>>>>students.
Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over American's
jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want to profit on
the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan, whatever.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>>>>graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the >>>wages.
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost >>trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers,
truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
Let's take their money because they've got too much? I'm not into that
kind of nonesense. On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "lets take
away their power and influence because they've got to much of it."
That might solve a lot of problems.
On 3/21/2025 5:20 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:10:59 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising." >>>>>>>>>>>
up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was
done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it." >>>>>>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it". >>>>>>>>>
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for >>>>>>>> large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were >>>>>>>> miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>>>>>> Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it. >>>>>>>
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness >>>>>>> was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >>>>>>> education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>>>> keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple >>>>>>> that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved
in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign
students.
Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over American's
jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want to profit on
the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan, whatever.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>>>>> graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the
wages.
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost
trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers,
truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
Let's take their money because they've got too much? I'm not into that
kind of nonesense. On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "lets take
away their power and influence because they've got to much of it."
That might solve a lot of problems.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Are you suggesting that a man of means ought to be able to
buy a Pagani but not his alderman? Never gonna happen.
On 3/21/2025 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:<sob> The poor dears! Is there anything we can do to lighten
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its
world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply
"everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts
is far, far more
common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on
the relative
importance
of various bits of data. And there were long
periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which
data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more
attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right
wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts"
verifiable data went
out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to
blatantly invent
"facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed
to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants,
claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is
"finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly
disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related:
"Here's _one_
glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense
worldwide shrinking of
almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking,
so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans
rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that
his staff can't keep
up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had
women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave
Afghanistan the way it was
done. That there was no way to close the border
without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both
sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out
what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate
politics with science.
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr
Biden could not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on
what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently
defying the direct
Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another
way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases'
provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at
retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the
drinking age in
Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned
21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to
live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student
loan forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this
country lags in
education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why
Musk wants to
keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make
it so - couple
that with this asinine thought that the government
shouldn't be involved
in education, and it's no wonder American companies
need to have foreign
students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying
off college
graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of
dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also,
most of the
wages.
their load? /s
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
I'm sorry you felt bad. It didn't bother me, and I did work my way
through college. (Well, Bachelor's degree, anyway. The school paid me to
get my Master's.)
I'm reminded of a pretty close parallel in the Bible: Matthew 20: 1�16
You and I got what we paid for, just as Matthew's early workers got what
they expected to be paid. No skin off either set of noses if those
arriving later got a better deal.
Since your and my time in college, the cost of a college education has >skyrocketed unreasonably. Based on my experience in the field, I'd say
there are two main reasons: Tremendous increases in administration
overhead (far exceeding any increase in faculty salaries & benefits; and >greatly reduced support from the government. I think ridiculously
luxurious physical facilities are another factor, but a minor one.
Because of that now obscene expense, students need support one way or >another.
Should the government support higher education? I think it's a very wise >investment, especially in fields that contribute to the industrial base
- although I also support much of the funding for the pure sciences,
for arts, for fields like history, psychology, etc. Society is better if >people are educated. Political decisions tend to be better if those in
charge have decent knowledge of history. Industry does better if it's
staffed by people with actual education and training, not by Kunich clones.
When the state of Ohio was founded, support for education was recognized
as a wise move. The state's founders preferred education over ignorance.
They preferred education specifically because they judged it would make >society and the state more prosperous in the long run.
I know that's out of fashion now, but it's yet another way I'm a
retrogrouch.
On 3/21/2025 5:16 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:46:43 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:43 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>>>> graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
You're quite flippant about other peoples' earnings.
I'm very concerned about the well being of Plumbers, truck
drivers, and construction workers and the fact that they can no longer
afford education, healthcare or houses for their families.
They could 40-50 years ago. Something changed. And it didn't
change for the better.
[]'s
Plumbers do OK on average:
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-Master-Plumber-Salary-by-State
I have two plumber customers who do very very well (enough
to lavishly support a bicycle habit and other luxuries)
p.s. US GP MDs earn over double plumbers on average:
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Physician_%2F_Doctor%2C_General_Practice/Salary
but not so much higher as one might at first imagine.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:20:29 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:10:59 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>>>wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising." >>>>>>>>>>>
up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was
done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it." >>>>>>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it". >>>>>>>>>
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for >>>>>>>> large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were >>>>>>>> miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>>>>>>Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it. >>>>>>>
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness >>>>>>>was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >>>>>>>education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>>>>keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple >>>>>>>that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved >>>>>>>in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>>>>>>students.
Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over American's
jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want to profit on
the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan, whatever.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>>>>>graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars. >>>>>They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the >>>>wages.
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost >>>trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers,
truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
Let's take their money because they've got too much? I'm not into that
kind of nonesense. On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "lets take
away their power and influence because they've got to much of it."
That might solve a lot of problems.
They BUY their power and influence. They buy or own
newspapers, media (both social media and conventional media). They buy >governors congressmen, senators and religious leaders. And LOL, a
President.
You will never take away their power just by "wishing" it.
[]'s
On 3/21/2025 6:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:10 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its
world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply
"everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts
is far, far more
common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on
the relative
importance
of various bits of data. And there were long
periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes -
which data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more
attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the
right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts"
verifiable data went
out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to
blatantly invent
"facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially
confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants,
claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is
"finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly
disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but
related: "Here's _one_
glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense
worldwide shrinking of
almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking,
so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans
rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that
his staff can't keep
up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had
women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave
Afghanistan the way it was
done. That there was no way to close the border
without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned.
(etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both
sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out
what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate
politics with science.
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that
Mr Biden could not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on
what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently
defying the direct
Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another
way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special
cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at
retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the
drinking age in
Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he
turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned
to live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought
student loan forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons
this country lags in
education is that we make it hard to get one. It's
why Musk wants to
keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to
make it so - couple
that with this asinine thought that the government
shouldn't be involved
in education, and it's no wonder American companies
need to have foreign
students.
Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over
American's
jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want
to profit on
the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan,
whatever.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers
paying off college
graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions
of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also,
most of the
wages.
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become
almost
trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would
they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like
plumbers,
truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
Mr Tricycle is correct on that point:
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-
income-tax- data-2024/
"The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of
all federal individual income taxes, while the bottom 50
percent paid the remaining 2.3 percent."
I don't usually get all biblical, but:
Mark 12:41-44 "Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor
widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44
They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her
poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
Sounds to me like he would not be in favor of a flat tax.
Also, our country's biggest surge in prosperity occurred
when the top tax rate was something like 90%. As I recall, a
Republican was president then, and approved.
And countries with far higher marginal tax rates seem to be
doing better than the U.S. by most measures that matter to
the public.
And what the hell does someone need a billion dollars for?
What's the point?
On 3/21/2025 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:<sob> The poor dears! Is there anything we can do to lighten their load? /s
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>>>>>> up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>>>>> done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it". >>>>>>>
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for >>>>>> large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were >>>>>> miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in
Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it. >>>>>
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness >>>>> was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in >>>>> education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>> keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple >>>>> that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved >>>>> in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>>>> students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college
graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the
wages.
On 3/21/2025 5:58 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:04 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:41:36 -0400, Zen Cycle
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:44 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're
supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie
Robinson, for
example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed,
they're
pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-
department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-
mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said
other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen,
the Enola
Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter
pilots and
the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29
Superfortress
bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism
never existed.
It has probably has always existed and probably
always
will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to
wipe out
public access to information containing some
"trigger words"
using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber?
Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the
subjects
of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I
agree with
you. Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers
because they
are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I
agree with
you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming
that it's being
done. Much like people making claims about Trumps
visit to Russia.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
I can't imagine what it's like to wander though life so
willfully ignorant.
"mistakenly"
That's like "Judge, I shot him by mistake! He moved his
head in front of my handgun just as I pulled the trigger.
And I had his wallet so I could give it to his widow."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-restores-
some- webpages-honoring-minority-service-members-but-
defends- dei-purge
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-
politics/ military-trump-dei-code-talkers-b2716915.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/22/dei-web-pages-
cms- nih-go- dark-00200123
But I understand your ignorance. You can't open your eyes
while your head is buried in the sand.
Which confirms that the action was hasty and not well
thought through, as we discussed.
It also shows me they are correcting, which is right.
They are correcting only as a response to widespread outrage
from both sides of the political spectrum. I think they were
surprised that even Republicans revered military and others
who were not lily white.
On 3/21/2025 6:14 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:54:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:04 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:41:36 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:44 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:It has probably has always existed and probably always
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're
supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for
example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're
pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly- >>>>>>>>>>> removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said
other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola >>>>>>>>>>> Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and
the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress >>>>>>>>>>> bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed. >>>>>>>>>>
will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out
public access to information containing some "trigger words" >>>>>>>>> using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs
by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects
of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you.�� Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because they
are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming that it's being >>>>>>> done.�� Much like people making claims about Trumps visit to Russia. >>>>>
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
I can't imagine what it's like to wander though life so willfully ignorant.
"mistakenly"
That's like "Judge, I shot him by mistake! He moved his head in front of >>> my handgun just as I pulled the trigger. And I had his wallet so I could >>> give it to his widow."
Krygowski's "fantasies"
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-restores-some-webpages-honoring-minority-service-members-but-defends-dei-purge
<LOL> PBS? Really?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/military-trump-dei-code-talkers-b2716915.html
Lots of undocumented rhetoric...
As is _all_ of yours. And you snap to belief in anything right wing, no >documentation needed.
We have among the most steeply sloped income tax curves on
earth now.
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2024/
For example, the much decried "top one percent" comprise
26.3% of income and 45.8% of taxes paid.
I think Jeff Liebermann has been watching some real news. Poor
guy. He's become a victim of depressive realism. Which DOES exist,
even if "freedom of speech" assures you it does not.
On 3/21/2025 6:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:10 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with >>>>>>>>> science.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff >>>>>>>>>>> can't keep
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of >>>>>>>>>>>> "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far >>>>>>>>>>>> more
common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>> history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set >>>>>>>>>>>> is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which >>>>>>>>>>>> issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once >>>>>>>>>>>> a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, >>>>>>>>>>>> regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it >>>>>>>>>>>> was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" >>>>>>>>>>>> billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears >>>>>>>>>>>> whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide
shrinking of
almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should >>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising." >>>>>>>>>>>
up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on >>>>>>>>>>> him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way >>>>>>>>>>> it was
done.� That there was no way to close the border without >>>>>>>>>>> Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund >>>>>>>>>>> their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it." >>>>>>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could >>>>>>>>>> not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the >>>>>>>>>> direct
Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it". >>>>>>>>>
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for >>>>>>>> large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash >>>>>>>> were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>>>>>> Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it. >>>>>>>
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan
forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country
lags in
education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>>>> keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so -
couple
that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be
involved
in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have >>>>>>> foreign
students.
����Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over American's
jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want to profit on
the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan, whatever.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>>>>> graduates' loans. Well of course.....
����Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars.
They probably won't even notice.
����[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes...� and also, most of the
wages.
����Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost
trillionaires?
����What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers,
truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
����[]'s
Mr Tricycle is correct on that point:
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-
data-2024/
"The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal
individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining
2.3 percent."
I don't usually get all biblical, but:
Mark 12:41-44 "Jesus said, �Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put
more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of
their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything�all she had
to live on.�
Sounds to me like he would not be in favor of a flat tax.
Also, our country's biggest surge in prosperity occurred when the top
tax rate was something like 90%. As I recall, a Republican was president >then, and approved.
And countries with far higher marginal tax rates seem to be doing better
than the U.S. by most measures that matter to the public.
And what the hell does someone need a billion dollars for? What's the
point?
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:51:08 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
We have among the most steeply sloped income tax curves on
earth now.
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2024/
For example, the much decried "top one percent" comprise
26.3% of income and 45.8% of taxes paid.
They just pass the taxes on to the consumer. It's the "trickle
up" effect invented I believe by a Mr Reagan.
I can't believe you think someone like Bill Gates pays the
taxes. He just adds it to the price of Windows, office, price of
user's private data etc. On paper he's the "good tax payer". And even
then the tax he "pays" is probably deductible....
Bill Gates said once it's immoral how little tax the really
rich pay, himself included.
I don't think there has ever been so much disparity in wealth
between the top 1% and the lower 90% in America. People are getting >desperate.
In some places (like Germany) the Nazi party was almost
elected. In Argentina it was. (see police repression of pensioners
that had their pensions reduced by over 80% and can no longer buy
enough to eat)
The guy that really pays the most taxes lives in a trailer
park. If he can afford it. He wears a red hat and has an orgasm every
time he sees a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari drive by....
[]'s
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:40:28 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:......
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:20:29 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:10:59 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost >>>>trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers,
truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
Let's take their money because they've got too much? I'm not into that >>>kind of nonesense. On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "lets take
away their power and influence because they've got to much of it."
That might solve a lot of problems.
They BUY their power and influence. They buy or own
newspapers, media (both social media and conventional media). They buy >>governors congressmen, senators and religious leaders. And LOL, a >>President.
You will never take away their power just by "wishing" it.
[]'s
No, you legislate it away. Start by initiating term limits.
OK Frank, tell us what facts are being ignored? The multimillions of dollars of kickbacks to Democrat Congress people from the Ukraine? The massive numbers of judges APPOINTED under Obama and Biden that ignore the Constitution including cases in whichthe Supreme Court has rulled were unconstitutional?
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:54:50 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>the Supreme Court has rulled were unconstitutional?
wrote:
OK Frank, tell us what facts are being ignored? The multimillions of dollars of kickbacks to Democrat Congress people from the Ukraine? The massive numbers of judges APPOINTED under Obama and Biden that ignore the Constitution including cases in which
He's ignoring:
"Impoundment of appropriated funds" ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds>
which is what Nixon tried to do and is what Musk and Trump are now
doing.
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:30:35 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
I think Jeff Liebermann has been watching some real news. Poor
guy. He's become a victim of depressive realism. Which DOES exist,
even if "freedom of speech" assures you it does not.
Quite correct. I get VERY depressed with the current political
reality in the US. The situation reminds me of the economic and
political realities of the 1930 in Europe as discribed by who lived
through the 1929 to 1939 Great Depression. If I really want to engage
in self-abuse, with an overdose of "depressive realism", there are
thousands of AI generated YouTube videos available that have been
carefully (some not so carefully) crafted to present extreme points of
view depending on the politics and biases of the authors. Freedom of
speech is useless if the "facts" are filtered and edited by an AI to
be compatible with the agenda of those who own the news media.
I could use some opinions here. Is this video of China for real?
"This Video Will Change Your View of CHINA! (no more lies)" ><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iaYliMSg> (11:17)
It presents a very positive view of China from the point of view of a >resident who emigrated from England 13 years ago. Is all of urban
China like that, or is he cherry picking the best and most modern
areas? Do the videos look like they have been "improved" with AI?
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:53:15 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:40:28 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:......
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:20:29 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:10:59 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost >>>>>trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers, >>>>>truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
Let's take their money because they've got too much? I'm not into that >>>>kind of nonesense. On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "lets take >>>>away their power and influence because they've got to much of it."
That might solve a lot of problems.
They BUY their power and influence. They buy or own
newspapers, media (both social media and conventional media). They buy >>>governors congressmen, senators and religious leaders. And LOL, a >>>President.
You will never take away their power just by "wishing" it.
[]'s
No, you legislate it away. Start by initiating term limits.
Well, get your gun ready. Start with the lobbyists. Then the
atheists that represent religious interests. Then the psychopaths.
Finally, the groups/individuals that financed their campaigns.
They'll be at least 2% left to legislate and pass new, fairer
laws....
Or, if you're into romance, buy a guillotine. That'll work
too.
[]'s
PS Term limits never worked. Crooks tend to steal MORE because
they have less time, and their reputations don't matter since they
can't be re-elected.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:40:28 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
They BUY their power and influence. They buy or own
newspapers, media (both social media and conventional media). They buy >>governors congressmen, senators and religious leaders. And LOL, a >>President.
You will never take away their power just by "wishing" it.
No, you legislate it away. Start by initiating term limits.
On Wed Mar 19 22:08:56 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:church group after church group and asks me what she should accomplish?
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:37:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 11:36:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 09:15:20 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
I never understood why some people like to watch people they don't
know play with their balls.... or ride their bicycles.
Sports are battle simulations much like the gladiatorial contests of
ancient Rome. The only difference is that the participants of today's
sports contests are more likely to survive. Bicycle races are similar
except the participants sometimes engage in limited combat.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle%20jousting&udm=2>
I think you over simplify.
I agree. I was in a hurry to leave for lunch with some friends and
did not have sufficient time to embellish my comments with details and
references. So, I just provided my main talking point and ran away.
I well remember tree climbing contests when
I was in grade school and the girls had rope skipping contests.
And the Olympic "games" that dated back to something like 770 BCE were
initially a religious affair.
I believe it is more accurate to say that mankind has an inborn desire
to be first. In whatever activity, not solely war.
I agree. However, the form that this competition takes seem to
parallel similar forms found in warfare. For example, the early
Olympic competition featured athletic games that would all have been
useful in warfare. (Javelin, discus, long jump and hammer). I'm not
sure what you mean by "religious affair". Games and battles have
always included ceremonial requests that the gods provide the
participants with victory or survival.
"Day Three: Sacrifices (Hecatomb) and feast"
<https://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/the-ancient-olympics-bridging-past-and-present/content-section-7>
We no longer sacrifice 100 bulls at the Olympic Games. Emptying the
treasury of the host city or country is a tolerable substitute.
Jeff, this is two thousand and twenty five years after Christ was born. My wife asked me what I thought she should work to accomplish before she died. She brough four children into the world raised six, taught hundreds, and has taught the Bible to
This is a Christian nation and we really don't need your assinnine comments about olympic games being designed to promote wars. Those were things you HAVE to know to keep your country safe. Because you don't have a country, in your mind, doesn't meanthat others shouldn't. I believe that you should return to Poland or wherever and see how they treat people of your kind.
I could use some opinions here. Is this video of China for
real? "This Video Will Change Your View of CHINA! (no more
lies)"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iaYliMSg> (11:17)
It presents a very positive view of China from the point of
view of a resident who emigrated from England 13 years ago.
Is all of urban China like that, or is he cherry picking the
best and most modern areas? Do the videos look like they have
been "improved" with AI?
Tell everyone here what the conduction is in a swimming pool leak you damned fool? The problem isn't that you don't need 24 bit doesn't mean you can even START to get by with 10 bits. What sort of idiot believes that fresh water is a strong conductor?
Why do you have to continually have to prove that you're not a design engineer. That 24 bit A-D was designed into that product by by Charley Button who has several international design awards and you're stupid enough to tell us that you know more thanhe. All I did was program it to work.
All I did was program it to work.
On 3/21/2025 6:54 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:42:08 -0400, Frank KrygowskiOf course they're not complaining! They are moving between their
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:44 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:They're not complaining. It's people like you who complain.
<sob> The poor dears! Is there anything we can do to lighten their load? /s >>
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the
wages.
multiple mansions and their luxury yachts, guarded by their security >personnel from any contact with normal people. And they're having their
boots licked by people in red caps, like you.
My complaints are not for me. My family and I are doing fine. My
complaints are for the people who can't get ahead because they can
barely make ends meet. The people who can't afford a plumber, while
Trump pisses into a golden one.
I see no sense in that.
On 3/21/2025 7:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Unlike you, I have put a little documentation out there. I know how
much it pains you to see it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54401182425/
15 years old, 6'2", 190 lbs.
Well gollee! That IS an accomplishment! SO impressive! I can't imagine
the intellectual effort, the excellent judgment, the drive and
determination and discipline necessary for you to achieve a height of
over six feet.
More seriously: _That's_ what you're proud of?
You've done nothing.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:53:15 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:40:28 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
They BUY their power and influence. They buy or own
newspapers, media (both social media and conventional media). They buy >>>governors congressmen, senators and religious leaders. And LOL, a >>>President.
You will never take away their power just by "wishing" it.
No, you legislate it away. Start by initiating term limits.
Nope. The legislature cannot implement or enforce any law produced by >congress (including term limits) or adjudicated by the supremes. Those
are functions of the Justice Department which is parts of the
executive branch of the government: ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice>
"The United States Department of Justice (DOJ), also known as the
Justice Department, is a federal executive department of the U.S.
government that oversees the domestic enforcement of federal laws and
the administration of justice."
If the Justice Dept decides not to enforce some random act of
Congress, there's not much that congress can do to. That's where
we're currently at with Pam Bondi as attorney general. She's not
going to do anything without President Trumps approval, including
enforcing term limits. ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Bondi#Trump_donation_to_Bondi_PAC>
The problem is that the serving President has absolute immunity from
both civil and criminal prosecution. Those who have lost jobs or
income as a result of Trumps actions, cannot force Trump to do
anything in any court of law. As long as Pam Bondi is in office, it's >unlikely that any case will reach the supreme court to test this
immunity. ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_immunity_in_the_United_States>
"If Trump Defies the Courts, Here�s What a Judge Can Do" ><https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/03/20/trump-defy-courts-judge-interview-00239359>
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:53:15 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:40:28 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:20:29 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:10:59 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more
common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of
almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising." >>>>>>>>>>>>>
up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was
done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc) >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it." >>>>>>>>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct
Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it". >>>>>>>>>>>
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for >>>>>>>>>> large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>>>>>>>>Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it. >>>>>>>>>
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in
education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>>>>>>keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple >>>>>>>>>that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved
in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign
students.
Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over American's
jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want to profit on >>>>>the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan, whatever.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>>>>>>>graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars. >>>>>>>They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the >>>>>>wages.
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost >>>>>trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have
to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers, >>>>>truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
Let's take their money because they've got too much? I'm not into that >>>>kind of nonesense. On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "lets take >>>>away their power and influence because they've got to much of it."
That might solve a lot of problems.
They BUY their power and influence. They buy or own
newspapers, media (both social media and conventional media). They buy >>>governors congressmen, senators and religious leaders. And LOL, a >>>President.
You will never take away their power just by "wishing" it.
[]'s
No, you legislate it away. Start by initiating term limits.
But y'all brag about being a democracy where the people elect the
leaders that they want... and now you would deny them that right?
On 3/21/2025 6:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:58 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:04 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:41:36 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:44 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:It has probably has always existed and probably always >>>>>>>>>>>> will -"Them
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're >>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're >>>>>>>>>>>>> pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense- department- >>>>>>>>>>>>> jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was- mistakenly- >>>>>>>>>>>>> removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said >>>>>>>>>>>>> other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress >>>>>>>>>>>>> bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed. >>>>>>>>>>>>
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out >>>>>>>>>>> public access to information containing some "trigger words" >>>>>>>>>>> using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs >>>>>>>>>>> by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects >>>>>>>>>>> of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with >>>>>>>>>> you.�� Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because they >>>>>>>>>> are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming that it's >>>>>>>>> being
done.�� Much like people making claims about Trumps visit to >>>>>>>>> Russia.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
I can't imagine what it's like to wander though life so willfully >>>>>>> ignorant.
"mistakenly"
That's like "Judge, I shot him by mistake! He moved his head in
front of my handgun just as I pulled the trigger. And I had his
wallet so I could �give it to his widow."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-restores- some-
webpages-honoring-minority-service-members-but- defends- dei-purge
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us- politics/
military-trump-dei-code-talkers-b2716915.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/22/dei-web-pages- cms- nih-go- >>>>> dark-00200123
But I understand your ignorance. You can't open your eyes while your >>>>> head is buried in the sand.
Which confirms that the action was hasty and not well thought
through, as we discussed.
It also shows me they are correcting, which is right.
They are correcting only as a response to widespread outrage from both
sides of the political spectrum. I think they were surprised that even
Republicans revered military and others who were not lily white.
Ohferchrissake.
They erred. And they are rectifying the errors.
And what could possibly have triggered that error? It didn't happen at >random, Andrew.
They realized their "error" only when the political blowback hit them in
the face.
TRP Spyre C)On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:44:19 +0700, John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 04:14:49 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 08:33:40 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:53:15 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:40:28 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:20:29 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:10:59 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:44:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:43:13 -0300, Shadow <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:11:10 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring
all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all
ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more
common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history
when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more
significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are
more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump
administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went
out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent
"facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding
small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to
"create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and
billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone
else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_
glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of
almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore
worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That
there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was
done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional
action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet
projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it." >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct
Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it". >>>>>>>>>>>>>
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in >>>>>>>>>>>Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21. >>>>>>>>>>>
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it. >>>>>>>>>>>
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in
education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to >>>>>>>>>>>keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple
that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved
in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign
students.
Indians, Pakistanis and Russians are taking over American's
jobs And they are "legalized" by the rich guys that want to profit on >>>>>>>the FREE education they received in India, Pakistan, whatever. >>>>>>>>>>>
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college >>>>>>>>>>graduates' loans. Well of course.....
Charge it to people that have hundreds of billions of dollars. >>>>>>>>>They probably won't even notice.
[]'s
They already pay most of the income taxes... and also, most of the >>>>>>>>wages.
Wow. And there was still enough left over to become almost >>>>>>>trillionaires?
What if they paid more taxes and better wages, would they have >>>>>>>to scrape by with few dozen billion dollars today? Like plumbers, >>>>>>>truck drivers and construction workers do? Poor guys.
[]'s
Let's take their money because they've got too much? I'm not into that >>>>>>kind of nonesense. On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "lets take >>>>>>away their power and influence because they've got to much of it." >>>>>>That might solve a lot of problems.
They BUY their power and influence. They buy or own
newspapers, media (both social media and conventional media). They buy >>>>>governors congressmen, senators and religious leaders. And LOL, a >>>>>President.
You will never take away their power just by "wishing" it.
[]'s
No, you legislate it away. Start by initiating term limits.
But y'all brag about being a democracy where the people elect the
leaders that they want... and now you would deny them that right?
The USA is a Constitutional Republic. The Constitution defines the >>requirements for it's elected officials. The Constitution also
includes certain limits on what the government can do. The people can >>change all that through processes defined by the Constitution itself.
No argument but as I wrote "you brag about being a democracy", or at
least say things like "we don't do it like you. We elect our leaders."
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:21:35 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>he. All I did was program it to work.
wrote:
Tell everyone here what the conduction is in a swimming pool leak you damned fool? The problem isn't that you don't need 24 bit doesn't mean you can even START to get by with 10 bits. What sort of idiot believes that fresh water is a strong conductor?
No such thing as "fresh water". Here are some common choices. Which
one were you trying to measure:
conductivity in micro Siemens per cm
Distilled water 0.5 - 3.0
Melted Snow 2 - 42
Tap Water 50 - 800
US Potable water 30 - 1,500
Freshwater streams 100 - 2,000
Industrial wastewater 10,000
Seawater 50,000 <https://atlas-scientific.com/blog/conductivity-of-distilled-water/>
For a time, I was the self appointed tester of water quality for a
small water district. It was nothing fancy. I was just trying to
determine if and when the local water district dumped something
disgusting into the redwood water tanks and ruined my coffee or tea.
For the purpose, I used an older version of a pH and TDS (total
dissolved solids) tester: <https://www.google.com/search?q=tds%20tester&udm=2> <https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=tds%20meter>
Dirty or contaminated water has a higher conductivity. I could easily
tell when the water district dumped too much hydrochloric acid into
the water tanks. For drinking water, the EPA wants the TDS to below
500 ppm. Easy (and lazy) conversion between TDS and ppm. <https://pureaqua.com/tds-converter-calculator/> <https://pureaqua.com/tds-ec-conversion/>
Why do you have to continually have to prove that you're not a design engineer. That 24 bit A-D was designed into that product by by Charley Button who has several international design awards and you're stupid enough to tell us that you know more than
What Tom is trying to measure is the conductivity to 24 bit resolution (16,777,215 bits). Assuming the best case conductivity meter, with a
range of +15V to -15V DC, and with a 24 bit A/D, the 1 bit resolution
would be:
30 V / 16,777,215 = 1.79 microvolts per bit.
Besides taking forever to obtain a stable measurement, the meter would require platinum probes, an elaborate bridge circuit and very low
noise differential input amplifier to obtain an accurate reading. I'm
not sure how to calculate the noise floor for such a precision device,
but my guess(tm) is that it will be very close to the thermal noise
floor. In other words, that means that the thermal noise will like
dominate the measurement causing the indicated voltage to bounce
around. Anyway, the design is overkill for a "leak detector".
The TDS testers previously mentioned have 4 decimal digits of display.
That would be 0 to 9999 ppm. Converted to binary, that would be 10011100001111 or 14 bits (which is much less than 24 bits). With +/-
1 digit (not 1 bit) uncertainty, 13 bits will suffice. If an
averaging feature is added to stabilize the measurement, then 10 or 11
bits will suffice.
All I did was program it to work.
Yep. Here's some sample code for a TDS meter using an Arduino UNO: <https://docs.cirkitdesigner.com/component/bcc7adac-432b-4e03-b535-1c22aacb9f68/tds-sensor>
<https://www.electronicwings.com/arduino/adc-in-arduino>
The UNO has 10 bits of resolution over a 0 to 5V range.
Since the Arduino UNO was first introduced in 2010, I would not expect
the hardware and your code to have been that simple.
Oddly, I can't find any mention of this project on your online resume: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit.
What were the "illegals" doing this time? Waving lettuce
leaves at you? I can understand your "terror".
PS Trump welcomed the Bolsonaro family. Practically all their
money comes from narcotraffic and money laundering. Has he made them
"legal" yet?
[]'s
PS While President, Bolsonaro used the official President's
plane to traffic cocaine. One of his men (not sure if it was a general
or a captain) was arrested in Spain with sacks of cocaine. Look it up.
Bolsonaro promised he'd take care of the punishment. As soon
as they were in international airspace the cuffs came off and when he
got back he was PROMOTED.
His son bought over 300 houses/apartments over a three year
period. He just moved into his mansion in Dallas, Texas. He has no
legal source of income, in fact he has NEVER worked. Weird.
Maybe he's one of the "illegal terrorists" you're referring
to?
If you can't find any of this, you're reading the wrong news.
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
On 3/21/2025 10:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:than he. All I did was program it to work.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:21:35 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
Tell everyone here what the conduction is in a swimming pool leak you damned fool? The problem isn't that you don't need 24 bit doesn't mean you can even START to get by with 10 bits. What sort of idiot believes that fresh water is a strong conductor?
No such thing as "fresh water". Here are some common choices. Which
one were you trying to measure:
conductivity in micro Siemens per cm
Distilled water 0.5 - 3.0
Melted Snow 2 - 42
Tap Water 50 - 800
US Potable water 30 - 1,500
Freshwater streams 100 - 2,000
Industrial wastewater 10,000
Seawater 50,000
<https://atlas-scientific.com/blog/conductivity-of-distilled-water/>
For a time, I was the self appointed tester of water quality for a
small water district. It was nothing fancy. I was just trying to
determine if and when the local water district dumped something
disgusting into the redwood water tanks and ruined my coffee or tea.
For the purpose, I used an older version of a pH and TDS (total
dissolved solids) tester:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=tds%20tester&udm=2>
<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=tds%20meter>
Dirty or contaminated water has a higher conductivity. I could easily
tell when the water district dumped too much hydrochloric acid into
the water tanks. For drinking water, the EPA wants the TDS to below
500 ppm. Easy (and lazy) conversion between TDS and ppm.
<https://pureaqua.com/tds-converter-calculator/>
<https://pureaqua.com/tds-ec-conversion/>
Why do you have to continually have to prove that you're not a design engineer. That 24 bit A-D was designed into that product by by Charley Button who has several international design awards and you're stupid enough to tell us that you know more
What Tom is trying to measure is the conductivity to 24 bit resolution
(16,777,215 bits). Assuming the best case conductivity meter, with a
range of +15V to -15V DC, and with a 24 bit A/D, the 1 bit resolution
would be:
30 V / 16,777,215 = 1.79 microvolts per bit.
Besides taking forever to obtain a stable measurement, the meter would
require platinum probes, an elaborate bridge circuit and very low
noise differential input amplifier to obtain an accurate reading. I'm
not sure how to calculate the noise floor for such a precision device,
but my guess(tm) is that it will be very close to the thermal noise
floor. In other words, that means that the thermal noise will like
dominate the measurement causing the indicated voltage to bounce
around. Anyway, the design is overkill for a "leak detector".
The TDS testers previously mentioned have 4 decimal digits of display.
That would be 0 to 9999 ppm. Converted to binary, that would be
10011100001111 or 14 bits (which is much less than 24 bits). With +/-
1 digit (not 1 bit) uncertainty, 13 bits will suffice. If an
averaging feature is added to stabilize the measurement, then 10 or 11
bits will suffice.
All I did was program it to work.
Yep. Here's some sample code for a TDS meter using an Arduino UNO:
<https://docs.cirkitdesigner.com/component/bcc7adac-432b-4e03-b535-1c22aacb9f68/tds-sensor>
<https://www.electronicwings.com/arduino/adc-in-arduino>
The UNO has 10 bits of resolution over a 0 to 5V range.
Since the Arduino UNO was first introduced in 2010, I would not expect
the hardware and your code to have been that simple.
Oddly, I can't find any mention of this project on your online resume:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
Likely because he didn't actually do the work, of course that hasn't
stopped him from lying and embellishing what he did in the past, but as >you've noted there's a 20 year gap in his resume anyways.
Considering that he wasn't aware what the hardware architecture was, it
would have been exceptionally difficult to program. He would have needed
to configure the uC to read the output of the ADC through one of the uC >inputs rather than use the integrated ADC. This is a rather significant >difference in bot the software and firmware architectures, and if he had >actually written the code it's highly unlikely that he wouldn't have had
some recollection of the whole exercise when he opened the file to
copy[paste it here:
"/*SuperSnoop Dectector Board
Operation of the Detector:
1. Via a Detector wand the board detects current
flow through the water. The current flow is via an AC source from the >Generator Board. This current flow is detected via the voltage drop
through the medium's resistance."
Rereading it now, (two years later) I have to admit my recent previous >statement was wrong - it does in fact measure the electrical
conductivity of water, not the current flow of the water itself (not
sure where I got the idea it was used to detect swimming pool leaks, but
hey, I didn't write it).
That said, considering he also seems to think it was used to detect
swimming pool leaks based on _my_ misremembering, it's simply further
proof he had nothing to do with the project other than somehow having
access to the source code.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our
elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved
funding, we've been here before. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have
the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be
Restoring" <https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just
to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
On 3/22/2025 11:29 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our
elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved
funding, we've been here before.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have
the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be
Restoring"
<https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just
to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
There were armed civilians with illegal possession at the
Capitol on 6 January? That's big news, otherwise previously
unreported. Too bad none of the malicious prosecutors knew
about that or someone would have been charged.
Assuming you haven't read a newspaper in the past 5 years,
these items from this week may be helpful:
https://nypost.com/2025/03/20/us-news/ms-13-gangbanger-ambushes-colorado-cops-while-out-on-bond-for-3-felonies/
https://nypost.com/2025/03/21/us-news/gangbanger-wanted-for-human-trafficking-is-first-migrant-detained-under-trumps-newly-invoked-alien-enemies-act/
and way back in the Biden administration:
https://cwbchicago.com/2024/12/migrant-shot-another-migrant-for-murdering-a-third-migrant-prosecutors-say.html
among a few thousand other similar local stories nearly
everywhere.
Lest someone here again tries to conflate lawful resident
aliens with illegal aliens (both terms from US Statutes) our
recently arrived fellow USAians know the difference:
https://ktla.com/news/politics/ap-politics/ap-its-not-personal-trumps-deportation-efforts-find-support-among-south-florida-latinos/
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 12:05:34 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/22/2025 11:29 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our
elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved
funding, we've been here before.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have
the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be
Restoring"
<https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just
to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
There were armed civilians with illegal possession at the
Capitol on 6 January? That's big news, otherwise previously
unreported. Too bad none of the malicious prosecutors knew
about that or someone would have been charged.
List of those arrested: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack>
Skimming the list, I found:
Christopher Michael Alberts
Lonnie Leroy Coffman
Cleveland Grover Meredith
Assuming you haven't read a newspaper in the past 5 years,
these items from this week may be helpful:
https://nypost.com/2025/03/20/us-news/ms-13-gangbanger-ambushes-colorado-cops-while-out-on-bond-for-3-felonies/
https://nypost.com/2025/03/21/us-news/gangbanger-wanted-for-human-trafficking-is-first-migrant-detained-under-trumps-newly-invoked-alien-enemies-act/
and way back in the Biden administration:
https://cwbchicago.com/2024/12/migrant-shot-another-migrant-for-murdering-a-third-migrant-prosecutors-say.html
among a few thousand other similar local stories nearly
everywhere.
I don't see the connection with what I wrote. Catrike Ryder
mentioned:
"It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit"
in a discussion about presidential powers and the president impound congressionally approved funding. I asked him to clarify who were
these members of terrorist outfit.
I must confess that I thought that there would have been more than 3
people carrying firearms on Jan 6. I'll try to be more accurate next
time.
Lest someone here again tries to conflate lawful resident
aliens with illegal aliens (both terms from US Statutes) our
recently arrived fellow USAians know the difference:
https://ktla.com/news/politics/ap-politics/ap-its-not-personal-trumps-deportation-efforts-find-support-among-south-florida-latinos/
I'm not sure how it related to the current immigration and deportation situations, but I've seen similar situations. When we arrived in the
US in 1953, it was via Ellis Island. There was a large number of
immigrant on the island. It's too long ago for me to remember, but my parents occasionally reminded me what happened. I was told that there
were many immigrants who did not have proper documents for various
reasons. When one was caught, the other immigrants (who had proper documents) helped the authorities drag them to a temporary jail after
which they were eventually deported. I don't know if that would
happen today, but I suspect not because of risk of retaliation.
On 3/22/2025 1:10 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 12:05:34 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/22/2025 11:29 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our
elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved
funding, we've been here before.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have
the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be
Restoring"
<https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just
to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
There were armed civilians with illegal possession at the
Capitol on 6 January? That's big news, otherwise previously
unreported. Too bad none of the malicious prosecutors knew
about that or someone would have been charged.
List of those arrested:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack>
Skimming the list, I found:
Christopher Michael Alberts
Lonnie Leroy Coffman
Cleveland Grover Meredith
Assuming you haven't read a newspaper in the past 5 years,
these items from this week may be helpful:
https://nypost.com/2025/03/20/us-news/ms-13-gangbanger-ambushes-colorado-cops-while-out-on-bond-for-3-felonies/
https://nypost.com/2025/03/21/us-news/gangbanger-wanted-for-human-trafficking-is-first-migrant-detained-under-trumps-newly-invoked-alien-enemies-act/
and way back in the Biden administration:
https://cwbchicago.com/2024/12/migrant-shot-another-migrant-for-murdering-a-third-migrant-prosecutors-say.html
among a few thousand other similar local stories nearly
everywhere.
I don't see the connection with what I wrote. Catrike Ryder
mentioned:
"It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit"
in a discussion about presidential powers and the president impound
congressionally approved funding. I asked him to clarify who were
these members of terrorist outfit.
I must confess that I thought that there would have been more than 3
people carrying firearms on Jan 6. I'll try to be more accurate next
time.
Lest someone here again tries to conflate lawful resident
aliens with illegal aliens (both terms from US Statutes) our
recently arrived fellow USAians know the difference:
https://ktla.com/news/politics/ap-politics/ap-its-not-personal-trumps-deportation-efforts-find-support-among-south-florida-latinos/
I'm not sure how it related to the current immigration and deportation
situations, but I've seen similar situations. When we arrived in the
US in 1953, it was via Ellis Island. There was a large number of
immigrant on the island. It's too long ago for me to remember, but my
parents occasionally reminded me what happened. I was told that there
were many immigrants who did not have proper documents for various
reasons. When one was caught, the other immigrants (who had proper
documents) helped the authorities drag them to a temporary jail after
which they were eventually deported. I don't know if that would
happen today, but I suspect not because of risk of retaliation.
Thank you for that. I was mistaken.
Among the 1200-odd convictions I had missed Mr Alberts, the
sole person in possession on 6 January.
(the other two are not relevant to illegal possession at the
Capitol)
There are many more instances of malicious prosecution:--
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/71-year-old-grandma-convicted-on-all-charges-by-dc-jury-after-praying-in-capitol-on-jan-6/ar-BB1l9il6
https://www.westernjournal.com/video-grandmother-69-cancer-reports-prison-jan-6-charges-message-americans/
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2021/06/23/capitol-riot-sees-1st-sentence-given-indianas-anna-morgan-lloyd/5309991001/
https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-siege/oldest-known-jan-6-defendant-81-said-he-had-a-right-as-taxpayer-to-enter-the-capitol-he-was-just-sentenced-following-a-guilty-plea/
etc.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our
elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved
funding, we've been here before. ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have
the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be
Restoring" ><https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just
to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
On 3/22/2025 4:01 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 21:32:37 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 7:10 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
Unlike you, I have put a little documentation out there. I know how
much it pains you to see it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/54401182425/
15 years old, 6'2", 190 lbs.
Well gollee! That IS an accomplishment! SO impressive! I can't imagine
the intellectual effort, the excellent judgment, the drive and
determination and discipline necessary for you to achieve a height of
over six feet.
Where did I claim that was an accomplishment?
"I'm kind of proud of who I am and how I've lived my life." OK, maybe
you're proud of wisely choosing parents that provided genes for 6'2", if >that's all you've got.
Surely nothing that warrants a brag...
As I've suspected.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:29:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our >>elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved
funding, we've been here before. >><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds> >><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have
the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be >>Restoring" >><https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Democrats say so, anyway...
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just
to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
Perhaps... depends on what you dom with it.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:29:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 16:30:07 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:29:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal >>>>members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our >>>elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved >>>funding, we've been here before. >>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds> >>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have
the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be >>>Restoring" >>><https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Democrats say so, anyway...
Probably true. Most Republicans seem to be uncertain as to what to
support, advocate, endorse, or say. They'll probably follow the party
line. The Democrats are no better and will probably do the same. The
likely winner is the one who makes the fewest mistakes. The Democrats
seem to believe that doing nothing is the way to make fewer mistakes.
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just
to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
Perhaps... depends on what you dom with it.
You didn't answer my question. Who is the "anyone" that is having
difficulty controlling the "illegal members of terrorist outfit(s)"?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:29:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 16:30:07 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:29:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal >>>>>members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the >>>>>President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in >>>>involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our >>>>elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved >>>>funding, we've been here before. >>>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds> >>>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have >>>>the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be >>>>Restoring" >>>><https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Democrats say so, anyway...
Probably true. Most Republicans seem to be uncertain as to what to >>support, advocate, endorse, or say. They'll probably follow the party >>line. The Democrats are no better and will probably do the same. The >>likely winner is the one who makes the fewest mistakes. The Democrats
seem to believe that doing nothing is the way to make fewer mistakes.
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just
to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
Perhaps... depends on what you dom with it.
You didn't answer my question. Who is the "anyone" that is having >>difficulty controlling the "illegal members of terrorist outfit(s)"?
The people who oppose getting them out of the country. Here's some.. >https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2025/3/12/voters-oppose-deportations-of-undocumented-immigrants-regardless-of-their-job-or-years-in-the-us
On 3/21/2025 5:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:58 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:04 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:41:36 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:44 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:It has probably has always existed and probably always
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're
supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for >>>>>>>>>>>>> example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're
pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense- department- >>>>>>>>>>>> jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was- mistakenly- >>>>>>>>>>>> removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said
other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola >>>>>>>>>>>> Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and >>>>>>>>>>>> the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress >>>>>>>>>>>> bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed. >>>>>>>>>>>
will -"Them
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out
public access to information containing some "trigger words" >>>>>>>>>> using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs >>>>>>>>>> by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects >>>>>>>>>> of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you. Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because they
are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with
you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming that it's >>>>>>>> being
done. Much like people making claims about Trumps visit to >>>>>>>> Russia.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
I can't imagine what it's like to wander though life so willfully
ignorant.
"mistakenly"
That's like "Judge, I shot him by mistake! He moved his head in
front of my handgun just as I pulled the trigger. And I had his
wallet so I could give it to his widow."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-restores- some-
webpages-honoring-minority-service-members-but- defends- dei-purge
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us- politics/
military-trump-dei-code-talkers-b2716915.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/22/dei-web-pages- cms- nih-go-
dark-00200123
But I understand your ignorance. You can't open your eyes while your
head is buried in the sand.
Which confirms that the action was hasty and not well thought
through, as we discussed.
It also shows me they are correcting, which is right.
They are correcting only as a response to widespread outrage from both
sides of the political spectrum. I think they were surprised that even
Republicans revered military and others who were not lily white.
Ohferchrissake.
They erred. And they are rectifying the errors.
On Fri Mar 21 15:04:06 2025 Zen Cycle wrote:
No, you didn't. If you did, you would have known there was a peripheral
A/D. You didn't know that until I told you.
Anyone with the slightest grounding in chemistry would know that Chlorine is one of the least conductive materials known.
(in third place) While adding SALT to water does increase conductivity over fresh water salt is NOT purposely added to swimming pools but is only a byproduct of sweat from swimmers and is almost nonexistant in the quantities of freshwater in a pool.
Why do you continue to say one stupid thing after another?
You are not and never have been a real engineer and you expect people to believe a word out of your mouth?
Your reference to saying that you didn't ride over 130 miles was an entire YEAR before you tried to pass those 2, 200 mile rides off. Even 130 miles for someone your age is questionable.
The very fact that you monitor this site so closely that you immediately answer postings shows that you do not work.
You don't show your LinkedIn account because you don't have one and you don't have one because you've never held a real engineering position. You have no recommendations because no one has any trust in you.
That you say that your boss saw you watching a ball game on TV and asked what the score was
makes me think that you cannot hold a position of ANY importance but one that simply needs someone supposely with a degree to sign off paperwork. From your coments I might even believe that your "degree" was a counterfeit.
Thinking back to the Stupid Three's asking me to prove I was an engineer by giving the numbe4r of patents I held is pretty much proof positive that none of you are real engineers.
I made a great deal of money
and I spent over half of it paying for my parents ills as they aged.
There is no one to pay for mine but I can well afford to pay for my own. That is what working as a real engineer is like. I don't even have to feel bad about warning everyone here about scams from people acting like Elon Musk, especially since Muskcomments positively on my postings on X and Facebook quite a bit.
I am now too old and disabled for him to hire me or he would offer and I would have to abstain. Besides, there are enough really educated engineers around to carry the load for multiple decades to come. Learning and improving as they go.
Tell us again how much you abhor the fact that I read all of the non-fiction books out of three libraries.
Then tell us again how you're afraid of being identified because I might badger your employer.
That is so painful for you to contemplate you cannot even believe that someone might actually enjoy learning things.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit.
What were the "illegals" doing this time? Waving lettuce
leaves at you? I can understand your "terror".
PS Trump welcomed the Bolsonaro family. Practically all their
money comes from narcotraffic and money laundering. Has he made them
"legal" yet?
[]'s
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:27:18 -0700,
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
I could use some opinions here. Is this video of China for
real? "This Video Will Change Your View of CHINA! (no more
lies)"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iaYliMSg> (11:17)
It presents a very positive view of China from the point of
view of a resident who emigrated from England 13 years ago.
Is all of urban China like that, or is he cherry picking the
best and most modern areas? Do the videos look like they have
been "improved" with AI?
From about 2005 to 2019 I made something like 20-30 trips to
China. The largest number were to Beijing, but I also spent some
time (multiple days each) in Shanghai, Tianjin, Guangzhou, Jinan,
Chengdu, and probably a couple others I'm not recalling.
I only watched the first few minutes of the video, and thought it
was not terribly off base--though somewhat optimistic. I've
ridden on the bullet trains, including first class. It's not bad,
but nowhere as nice as the shinkansen in Japan. In general,
things are grubbier up close and not uncommonly in need of repair.
For example, one conference center I was at had carpet that was
stained and dirty and had obviously been brought in from somewhere
else. The edges were loose and didn't quite fit. Cupboard doors
in hotel rooms may have broken hinges. The air in most cities is atrocious--unless a front had come through and cleared the air, my
sinuses typically burned from the moment of getting off the plane
until leaving.
The nicest hotels are quite nice, and amazingly affordable. On
the other hand, you can walk less than a mile and find yourself in
alleyways that are somewhat scary--at least I felt a bit nervous
walking alone.
Not sure if that answers your question, so please feel free to ask
more specifics if you like.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our
elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved
funding, we've been here before. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have
the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be
Restoring" <https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just
to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:42:31 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring >>>>>>>>> all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative
importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump >>>>>>> administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent
"facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to >>>>>>> "create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone >>>>>>> else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_
glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>>> up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That >>>>>> there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>> done. That there was no way to close the border without Congressional >>>>>> action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science. >>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct
Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in
Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in
education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to
keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple
that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved
in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign
students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
And as soon as the Government gets involved in education you will hear
a great cry of "Brain Washing".
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 21:32:30 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 10:06 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:27:18 -0700,
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
I could use some opinions here. Is this video of China for
real? "This Video Will Change Your View of CHINA! (no more
lies)"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iaYliMSg> (11:17)
It presents a very positive view of China from the point of
view of a resident who emigrated from England 13 years ago.
Is all of urban China like that, or is he cherry picking the
best and most modern areas? Do the videos look like they have
been "improved" with AI?
From about 2005 to 2019 I made something like 20-30 trips to
China. The largest number were to Beijing, but I also spent some
time (multiple days each) in Shanghai, Tianjin, Guangzhou, Jinan,
Chengdu, and probably a couple others I'm not recalling.
I only watched the first few minutes of the video, and thought it
was not terribly off base--though somewhat optimistic. I've
ridden on the bullet trains, including first class. It's not bad,
but nowhere as nice as the shinkansen in Japan. In general,
things are grubbier up close and not uncommonly in need of repair.
For example, one conference center I was at had carpet that was
stained and dirty and had obviously been brought in from somewhere
else. The edges were loose and didn't quite fit. Cupboard doors
in hotel rooms may have broken hinges. The air in most cities is
atrocious--unless a front had come through and cleared the air, my
sinuses typically burned from the moment of getting off the plane
until leaving.
The nicest hotels are quite nice, and amazingly affordable. On
the other hand, you can walk less than a mile and find yourself in
alleyways that are somewhat scary--at least I felt a bit nervous
walking alone.
Not sure if that answers your question, so please feel free to ask
more specifics if you like.
nice response/commentary Ted. I lived in japan for just over 3 years but
it was in the early 1970s when my dad was stationed here. Things have
changed quite a bit since then.
Out of curiosity, where was your father stationed? You have mentioned
(I think) that he was a linguist and we had some stationed at Yokota
A.F.B. with the 6091st Reconnaissance Sqdn.
On 3/22/2025 9:26 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
They are correcting only as a response to widespread outrage from
both sides of the political spectrum. I think they were surprised
that even Republicans revered military and others who were not lily
white.
Ohferchrissake.
They erred. And they are rectifying the errors.
Sez you, and to what effect? "white" washing institutional racism
endemic in the history of the US? Yeah, real helpful...
More on "they erred": https://www.yahoo.com/news/historic-figures-cut-military-websites-130000339.html
And it seems a lot of details about Colin Powell somehow evaporated. At
least he wasn't completely removed: https://www.yahoo.com/news/investigating-claim-colin-powells-name-234300145.html
Mathematically speaking, random errors tend to be in both directions.
These errors all seem to be in the same direction. If a person's skin is
too dark it generates an "error." Those of Scandinavian ancestry seem
immune to this error.
On 3/22/2025 9:26 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
They are correcting only as a response to widespread outrage from
both sides of the political spectrum. I think they were surprised
that even Republicans revered military and others who were not lily
white.
Ohferchrissake.
They erred. And they are rectifying the errors.
Sez you, and to what effect? "white" washing institutional racism
endemic in the history of the US? Yeah, real helpful...
More on "they erred": >https://www.yahoo.com/news/historic-figures-cut-military-websites-130000339.html
And it seems a lot of details about Colin Powell somehow evaporated. At
least he wasn't completely removed: >https://www.yahoo.com/news/investigating-claim-colin-powells-name-234300145.html
Mathematically speaking, random errors tend to be in both directions.
These errors all seem to be in the same direction. If a person's skin is
too dark it generates an "error." Those of Scandinavian ancestry seem
immune to this error.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 21:26:32 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:58 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:04 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:41:36 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:44 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:It has probably has always existed and probably always >>>>>>>>>>>>> will -"Them
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense- department- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was- mistakenly- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out >>>>>>>>>>>> public access to information containing some "trigger words" >>>>>>>>>>>> using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs >>>>>>>>>>>> by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects >>>>>>>>>>>> of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with >>>>>>>>>>> you.�� Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be
reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because they >>>>>>>>>>> are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with >>>>>>>>>> you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming that it's >>>>>>>>>> being
done.�� Much like people making claims about Trumps visit to >>>>>>>>>> Russia.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
I can't imagine what it's like to wander though life so willfully >>>>>>>> ignorant.
"mistakenly"
That's like "Judge, I shot him by mistake! He moved his head in
front of my handgun just as I pulled the trigger. And I had his
wallet so I could �give it to his widow."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-restores- some-
webpages-honoring-minority-service-members-but- defends- dei-purge >>>>>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us- politics/
military-trump-dei-code-talkers-b2716915.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/22/dei-web-pages- cms- nih-go- >>>>>> dark-00200123
But I understand your ignorance. You can't open your eyes while your >>>>>> head is buried in the sand.
Which confirms that the action was hasty and not well thought
through, as we discussed.
It also shows me they are correcting, which is right.
They are correcting only as a response to widespread outrage from both >>>> sides of the political spectrum. I think they were surprised that even >>>> Republicans revered military and others who were not lily white.
Ohferchrissake.
They erred. And they are rectifying the errors.
Sez you, and to what effect? "white" washing institutional racism
endemic in the history of the US? Yeah, real helpful...
I read the other day that Fort Bragg had it's name changed as it was
named for a confederate general and then changed back.
https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2025/3/12/voters-oppose-deportations-of-undocumented-immigrants-regardless-of-their-job-or-years-in-the-usOn Sat, 22 Mar 2025 17:48:00 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:53:18 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:29:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 16:30:07 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>><[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:29:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal >>>>>>members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the >>>>>>President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in >>>>>involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our >>>>>elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos >>>>>and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved >>>>>funding, we've been here before. >>>>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds> >>>>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have >>>>>the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be >>>>>Restoring" >>>>><https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Democrats say so, anyway...
Probably true. Most Republicans seem to be uncertain as to what to >>>support, advocate, endorse, or say. They'll probably follow the party >>>line. The Democrats are no better and will probably do the same. The >>>likely winner is the one who makes the fewest mistakes. The Democrats >>>seem to believe that doing nothing is the way to make fewer mistakes.
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just >>>>>to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient >>>>>for me to be considered a terrorist.
Perhaps... depends on what you dom with it.
You didn't answer my question. Who is the "anyone" that is having >>>difficulty controlling the "illegal members of terrorist outfit(s)"?
The people who oppose getting them out of the country. Here's some.. >>https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2025/3/12/voters-oppose-deportations-of-undocumented-immigrants-regardless-of-their-job-or-years-in-the-us
I'll try again. You initially wrote:
"It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit."
I then asked. I then asked who are these "illegal members of
terrorist outfit(s)?". You replied that they are undocumented
immigrants.
Are they all illegal?
Are they all terrorists?
the Dogue determine which are legal, illegal, terrorist, or victims of
a computer error? Is the Dogue even trying? Is there any due process
or appeal?
You replied with a link to a "think tank" called Data for Progress": ><https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2025/3/12/voters-oppose-deportations-of-undocumented-immigrants-regardless-of-their-job-or-years-in-the-us>
<https://www.statistics.gov.hk/wsc/IPS064-P3-S.pdf>
I read the article and found that they are a left leaning (Progressive
and possibly Democrat) organization conducting a survey to determine
what voters think of the deportations.
They are using a "web panel
survey" system. They didn't provide much info on how they selected
their 1,189 "likely voters". I do see some indications that there was
some cherry picking and that ALL the data is supplied by the
respondent and not verified. Among the features is "The sample was
weighted to be representative of likely voters by age, gender,
education, race, geography, and recalled presidential vote." I don't
know what that means since the weights were not tabulated. I read it
as tweaking the result to correspond to expectations. That should be
enough for now.
I consider this survey to have been tweaked, of questionable value and >probably inaccurate. So, how does this survey relate to "anyone"
having difficulties getting rid of illegal members of terrorist
outfit(s)"? It doesn't relate at all, unless you want to accuse the
people running the survey of being illegal or terrorists in some
manner. Or, maybe you would prefer that the country be run by a
for-hire opinion poll organization?
On 3/21/2025 10:06 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:27:18 -0700,
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
I could use some opinions here. Is this video of China for
real? "This Video Will Change Your View of CHINA! (no more
lies)"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iaYliMSg> (11:17)
It presents a very positive view of China from the point of
view of a resident who emigrated from England 13 years ago.
Is all of urban China like that, or is he cherry picking
the best and most modern areas? Do the videos look like
they have been "improved" with AI?
From about 2005 to 2019 I made something like 20-30 trips to
China. The largest number were to Beijing, but I also spent
some time (multiple days each) in Shanghai, Tianjin,
Guangzhou, Jinan, Chengdu, and probably a couple others I'm
not recalling.
I only watched the first few minutes of the video, and thought
it was not terribly off base--though somewhat optimistic.
I've ridden on the bullet trains, including first class.
It's not bad, but nowhere as nice as the shinkansen in Japan.
In general, things are grubbier up close and not uncommonly in
need of repair.
For example, one conference center I was at had carpet that
was stained and dirty and had obviously been brought in from
somewhere else. The edges were loose and didn't quite fit.
Cupboard doors in hotel rooms may have broken hinges. The air
in most cities is atrocious--unless a front had come through
and cleared the air, my sinuses typically burned from the
moment of getting off the plane until leaving.
The nicest hotels are quite nice, and amazingly affordable.
On the other hand, you can walk less than a mile and find
yourself in alleyways that are somewhat scary--at least I felt
a bit nervous walking alone.
Not sure if that answers your question, so please feel free to
ask more specifics if you like.
nice response/commentary Ted. I lived in japan for just over 3
years but it was in the early 1970s when my dad was stationed
here. Things have changed quite a bit since then.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 18:42:31 GMT, cyclintom
<[email protected]>
wrote:
The Treaty of Triploi was ratified and signed into law on
June 7, 1797, taking effect June 10, 1797 when signed by
President John Adams. Arrticle 11 of the treaty states:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not,
in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has
in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion,
or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said
States never entered into any war or act of hostility
against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by
the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions
shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing
between the two countries."
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:53:18 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 15:29:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 16:30:07 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 09:29:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our >>>>> elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved
funding, we've been here before.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have >>>>> the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be
Restoring"
<https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Democrats say so, anyway...
Probably true. Most Republicans seem to be uncertain as to what to
support, advocate, endorse, or say. They'll probably follow the party
line. The Democrats are no better and will probably do the same. The
likely winner is the one who makes the fewest mistakes. The Democrats
seem to believe that doing nothing is the way to make fewer mistakes.
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention? >>>>https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5198497-venezuela-tren-de-aragua-trump-deportations/
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just >>>>> to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
Perhaps... depends on what you dom with it.
You didn't answer my question. Who is the "anyone" that is having
difficulty controlling the "illegal members of terrorist outfit(s)"?
The people who oppose getting them out of the country. Here's some..
https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2025/3/12/voters-oppose-deportations-of-undocumented-immigrants-regardless-of-their-job-or-years-in-the-us
I'll try again. You initially wrote:
"It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit."
I then asked. I then asked who are these "illegal members of
terrorist outfit(s)?". You replied that they are undocumented
immigrants. Are they all illegal? Are they all terrorists? You does
the Dogue determine which are legal, illegal, terrorist, or victims of
a computer error? Is the Dogue even trying? Is there any due process
or appeal?
You replied with a link to a "think tank" called Data for Progress": <https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2025/3/12/voters-oppose-deportations-of-undocumented-immigrants-regardless-of-their-job-or-years-in-the-us>
<https://www.statistics.gov.hk/wsc/IPS064-P3-S.pdf>
I read the article and found that they are a left leaning (Progressive
and possibly Democrat) organization conducting a survey to determine
what voters think of the deportations. They are using a "web panel
survey" system. They didn't provide much info on how they selected
their 1,189 "likely voters". I do see some indications that there was
some cherry picking and that ALL the data is supplied by the
respondent and not verified. Among the features is "The sample was
weighted to be representative of likely voters by age, gender,
education, race, geography, and recalled presidential vote." I don't
know what that means since the weights were not tabulated. I read it
as tweaking the result to correspond to expectations. That should be
enough for now.
I consider this survey to have been tweaked, of questionable value and probably inaccurate. So, how does this survey relate to "anyone"
having difficulties getting rid of illegal members of terrorist
outfit(s)"? It doesn't relate at all, unless you want to accuse the
people running the survey of being illegal or terrorists in some
manner. Or, maybe you would prefer that the country be run by a
for-hire opinion poll organization?
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 12:05:34 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/22/2025 11:29 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit. At any rate, it appears that the
President does has the power to do what he did.
Because our government only functions effectively if everyone in
involved follows the rules. Breaking the rules intentionally by our
elected and appointed officials is the way to a dictatorship, chaos
and eventual ruin.
As for Trump having the power to impound congressionally approved
funding, we've been here before.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974>
The supreme court has already ruled that the president does not have
the right to impound congressionally approved funds.
(March 14, 2025)
"President Trump Actively Destroys the Rule of Law He Claims to Be
Restoring"
<https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/president-trump-actively-destroys-rule-law-he-claims-be-restoring>
Who are these "illegal members of terrorist outfit" that you mention?
The only terrorists I can find are rioters of January 6, 2021. Just
to clarify, showing up to a protest march with a gun, is sufficient
for me to be considered a terrorist.
There were armed civilians with illegal possession at the
Capitol on 6 January? That's big news, otherwise previously
unreported. Too bad none of the malicious prosecutors knew
about that or someone would have been charged.
Assuming you haven't read a newspaper in the past 5 years,
these items from this week may be helpful:
https://nypost.com/2025/03/20/us-news/ms-13-gangbanger-ambushes-colorado-cops-while-out-on-bond-for-3-felonies/
https://nypost.com/2025/03/21/us-news/gangbanger-wanted-for-human-trafficking-is-first-migrant-detained-under-trumps-newly-invoked-alien-enemies-act/
and way back in the Biden administration:
https://cwbchicago.com/2024/12/migrant-shot-another-migrant-for-murdering-a-third-migrant-prosecutors-say.html
among a few thousand other similar local stories nearly
everywhere.
Lest someone here again tries to conflate lawful resident
aliens with illegal aliens (both terms from US Statutes) our
recently arrived fellow USAians know the difference:
https://ktla.com/news/politics/ap-politics/ap-its-not-personal-trumps-deportation-efforts-find-support-among-south-florida-latinos/
But all these "anti Illegal Immigrants" is not new. When I brought my
first wife to the U.S. (wife of active duty USAF serviceman) there was
a hoard of documentation we had to filled out, in Japan, before we got
the approval for her to come to the U.S. And that was some 60 years
ago.
The first Federal anti immigrant seems to be the Page Act, of 1875,
passed by the Congress in 1875, and the Chinese Exclusion Act of
1882, are two early examples.
On 3/21/2025 10:06 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:27:18 -0700,
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
I could use some opinions here. Is this video of China
for
real? "This Video Will Change Your View of CHINA! (no more
lies)"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iaYliMSg> (11:17)
It presents a very positive view of China from the
point of
view of a resident who emigrated from England 13 years
ago.
Is all of urban China like that, or is he cherry
picking the
best and most modern areas? Do the videos look like
they have
been "improved" with AI?
From about 2005 to 2019 I made something like 20-30 trips to
China. The largest number were to Beijing, but I also
spent some
time (multiple days each) in Shanghai, Tianjin, Guangzhou,
Jinan,
Chengdu, and probably a couple others I'm not recalling.
I only watched the first few minutes of the video, and
thought it
was not terribly off base--though somewhat optimistic. I've
ridden on the bullet trains, including first class. It's
not bad,
but nowhere as nice as the shinkansen in Japan. In general,
things are grubbier up close and not uncommonly in need of
repair.
For example, one conference center I was at had carpet
that was
stained and dirty and had obviously been brought in from
somewhere
else. The edges were loose and didn't quite fit.
Cupboard doors
in hotel rooms may have broken hinges. The air in most
cities is
atrocious--unless a front had come through and cleared the
air, my
sinuses typically burned from the moment of getting off
the plane
until leaving.
The nicest hotels are quite nice, and amazingly
affordable. On
the other hand, you can walk less than a mile and find
yourself in
alleyways that are somewhat scary--at least I felt a bit
nervous
walking alone.
Not sure if that answers your question, so please feel
free to ask
more specifics if you like.
nice response/commentary Ted. I lived in japan for just over
3 years but it was in the early 1970s when my dad was
stationed here. Things have changed quite a bit since then.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 21:26:32 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:58 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:54 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 5:04 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:41:36 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:44 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:32:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/21/2025 6:06 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:04:16 -0400, zen cycle
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 12:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:It has probably has always existed and probably always >>>>>>>>>>>>> will -"Them
Hey, let's have none of that DEI stuff here. You're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to pretend
black people never existed. Like Jackie Robinson, for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example.
Hey, they aren't pretending he never existed, they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretending he
wasn't black.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense- department- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was- mistakenly- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
The ethnic cleansing lead to other "mistakes".
"Besides the Robinson information, the official said >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other content will
be republished, including the Tuskegee Airmen, the Enola >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gay, the Navajo
Code Talkers, history-making female fighter pilots and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Marines at
Iwo Jima. Enola Gay was the name of a B-29 Superfortress >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bomber."
Sure, let's pretend institutionalized rascism never existed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
guys over there, they ain't no good!"
But what we're seeing now is official actions to wipe out >>>>>>>>>>>> public access to information containing some "trigger words" >>>>>>>>>>>> using crude algorithms generated by glorified hackers
working for an unelected billionaire. Seriously, we
shouldn't read about the "Enola Gay" bomber? Changing URLs >>>>>>>>>>>> by automatically prefixing them with "dei" if the subjects >>>>>>>>>>>> of the web pages are black?
That's ignorant bullshit.
I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with >>>>>>>>>>> you. Ill considered over reaction, and it ought to be >>>>>>>>>>> reworked.
In the same way that killing white SA farmers because they >>>>>>>>>>> are white is not a good resolution to the prior racism.
"I had to go research that, but having done so I agree with >>>>>>>>>> you."
I did research too, and all I see is people claiming that it's >>>>>>>>>> being
done. Much like people making claims about Trumps visit to >>>>>>>>>> Russia.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defense-department-
jackie-robinson-military-history-article-was-mistakenly-
removed/ar-AA1BfyKN
I can't imagine what it's like to wander though life so willfully >>>>>>>> ignorant.
"mistakenly"
That's like "Judge, I shot him by mistake! He moved his head in
front of my handgun just as I pulled the trigger. And I had his
wallet so I could give it to his widow."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-restores- some-
webpages-honoring-minority-service-members-but- defends- dei-purge >>>>>>
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us- politics/
military-trump-dei-code-talkers-b2716915.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/22/dei-web-pages- cms- nih-go- >>>>>> dark-00200123
But I understand your ignorance. You can't open your eyes while your >>>>>> head is buried in the sand.
Which confirms that the action was hasty and not well thought
through, as we discussed.
It also shows me they are correcting, which is right.
They are correcting only as a response to widespread outrage from both >>>> sides of the political spectrum. I think they were surprised that even >>>> Republicans revered military and others who were not lily white.
Ohferchrissake.
They erred. And they are rectifying the errors.
Sez you, and to what effect? "white" washing institutional racism
endemic in the history of the US? Yeah, real helpful...
I read the other day that Fort Bragg had it's name changed as it was
named for a confederate general and then changed back.
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 21:32:30 -0400,
zen cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 10:06 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:27:18 -0700,
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
I could use some opinions here. Is this video of China for
real? "This Video Will Change Your View of CHINA! (no more
lies)"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iaYliMSg> (11:17)
It presents a very positive view of China from the point of
view of a resident who emigrated from England 13 years ago.
Is all of urban China like that, or is he cherry picking
the best and most modern areas? Do the videos look like
they have been "improved" with AI?
From about 2005 to 2019 I made something like 20-30 trips to
China. The largest number were to Beijing, but I also spent
some time (multiple days each) in Shanghai, Tianjin,
Guangzhou, Jinan, Chengdu, and probably a couple others I'm
not recalling.
I only watched the first few minutes of the video, and thought
it was not terribly off base--though somewhat optimistic.
I've ridden on the bullet trains, including first class.
It's not bad, but nowhere as nice as the shinkansen in Japan.
In general, things are grubbier up close and not uncommonly in
need of repair.
For example, one conference center I was at had carpet that
was stained and dirty and had obviously been brought in from
somewhere else. The edges were loose and didn't quite fit.
Cupboard doors in hotel rooms may have broken hinges. The air
in most cities is atrocious--unless a front had come through
and cleared the air, my sinuses typically burned from the
moment of getting off the plane until leaving.
The nicest hotels are quite nice, and amazingly affordable.
On the other hand, you can walk less than a mile and find
yourself in alleyways that are somewhat scary--at least I felt
a bit nervous walking alone.
Not sure if that answers your question, so please feel free to
ask more specifics if you like.
nice response/commentary Ted. I lived in japan for just over 3
years but it was in the early 1970s when my dad was stationed
here. Things have changed quite a bit since then.
Thank you. I've pretty much had my fill of China, and don't
expect to be back again. Japan on the other hand is one of my
favorite places to visit. It's clean and orderly, and the people
are polite and considerate. You're right about it being quite
different than it used to be, at least from my perspective from
visits over a span of about 20 years. One example is the extent
of signage in English has increased quite a lot.
I especially love the transportation systems, in the Tokyo area,
but also more broadly. I got fed up with the limo bus from NRT to
Shinjuku after just a couple of trips, and ever after used the
train into the city. It took me some time to figure out how to
find the right platform for the return trip, given that Shinjuku
station has close to two dozen on many different levels.
and way back in the Biden administration:
https://cwbchicago.com/2024/12/migrant-shot-another-migrant-for-murdering-a-third-migrant-prosecutors-say.html
Anyone with the slightest grounding in chemistry would know that Chlorine is one of the least conductive materials known. (in third place) While adding SALT to water does increase conductivity over fresh water salt is NOT purposely added to swimmingpools but is only a byproduct of sweat from swimmers and is almost nonexistant in the quantities of freshwater in a pool.
On 3/22/2025 10:24 PM, John B. wrote:
I read the other day that Fort Bragg had it's name changed as it was
named for a confederate general and then changed back.
Right. Another case of those devoted to toppling the constitution being >honored by the current administration.
On 3/22/2025 9:52 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 03:56:44 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
It beats me why anyone has a problem with getting rid of illegal
members of terrorist outfit.
What were the "illegals" doing this time? Waving lettuce
leaves at you? I can understand your "terror".
PS Trump welcomed the Bolsonaro family. Practically all their
money comes from narcotraffic and money laundering. Has he made them
"legal" yet?
[]'s
Besides >that...https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/19/politics/deported-migrants-evidence-trump/index.html
On 3/23/2025 7:47 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 09:37:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
Girlfriend lived on Okinawa 1970~1971 and says there were
open ditches of sewage with huge rats and the tap water was
not drinkable. Utterly unlike my frequent trips on Honshu
1980~1990.
Until July 2071 Okinawa was controlled by the US.
Right and there were riots at reversion as Okinawans thought
better of US servicemen than of Japanese. For good reason.
On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 09:37:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/22/2025 8:32 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 10:06 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:27:18 -0700,
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
I could use some opinions here. Is this video of China
for
real? "This Video Will Change Your View of CHINA! (no more
lies)"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iaYliMSg> (11:17)
It presents a very positive view of China from the
point of
view of a resident who emigrated from England 13 years
ago.
Is all of urban China like that, or is he cherry
picking the
best and most modern areas? Do the videos look like
they have
been "improved" with AI?
From about 2005 to 2019 I made something like 20-30 trips to
China. The largest number were to Beijing, but I also
spent some
time (multiple days each) in Shanghai, Tianjin, Guangzhou,
Jinan,
Chengdu, and probably a couple others I'm not recalling.
I only watched the first few minutes of the video, and
thought it
was not terribly off base--though somewhat optimistic. I've
ridden on the bullet trains, including first class. It's
not bad,
but nowhere as nice as the shinkansen in Japan. In general,
things are grubbier up close and not uncommonly in need of
repair.
For example, one conference center I was at had carpet
that was
stained and dirty and had obviously been brought in from
somewhere
else. The edges were loose and didn't quite fit.
Cupboard doors
in hotel rooms may have broken hinges. The air in most
cities is
atrocious--unless a front had come through and cleared the
air, my
sinuses typically burned from the moment of getting off
the plane
until leaving.
The nicest hotels are quite nice, and amazingly
affordable. On
the other hand, you can walk less than a mile and find
yourself in
alleyways that are somewhat scary--at least I felt a bit
nervous
walking alone.
Not sure if that answers your question, so please feel
free to ask
more specifics if you like.
nice response/commentary Ted. I lived in japan for just over
3 years but it was in the early 1970s when my dad was
stationed here. Things have changed quite a bit since then.
+1 it has indeed.
Girlfriend lived on Okinawa 1970~1971 and says there were
open ditches of sewage with huge rats and the tap water was
not drinkable. Utterly unlike my frequent trips on Honshu
1980~1990.
Until July 2071 Okinawa was controlled by the US.
At Gen Sherman's funeral, CSA Gen Johnston stood in a
freezing rain as the cortege slowly passed, holding his hat
over his heart with his remaining arm. When encouraged to
step inside he replied, "He would do the same for me."*
I have no particular feelings about Gen Bragg one way or the
other but a case could be made and not frivolously.
*Chilled and exhausted at his age, he died shortly thereafter.
On 3/23/2025 7:47 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 09:37:59 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/22/2025 8:32 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 10:06 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:27:18 -0700,
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
I could use some opinions here. Is this video of China
for
real? "This Video Will Change Your View of CHINA! (no more
lies)"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iaYliMSg> (11:17)
It presents a very positive view of China from the
point of
view of a resident who emigrated from England 13 years
ago.
Is all of urban China like that, or is he cherry
picking the
best and most modern areas? Do the videos look like
they have
been "improved" with AI?
From about 2005 to 2019 I made something like 20-30 trips to
China. The largest number were to Beijing, but I also
spent some
time (multiple days each) in Shanghai, Tianjin, Guangzhou,
Jinan,
Chengdu, and probably a couple others I'm not recalling.
I only watched the first few minutes of the video, and
thought it
was not terribly off base--though somewhat optimistic. I've
ridden on the bullet trains, including first class. It's
not bad,
but nowhere as nice as the shinkansen in Japan. In general,
things are grubbier up close and not uncommonly in need of
repair.
For example, one conference center I was at had carpet
that was
stained and dirty and had obviously been brought in from
somewhere
else. The edges were loose and didn't quite fit.
Cupboard doors
in hotel rooms may have broken hinges. The air in most
cities is
atrocious--unless a front had come through and cleared the
air, my
sinuses typically burned from the moment of getting off
the plane
until leaving.
The nicest hotels are quite nice, and amazingly
affordable. On
the other hand, you can walk less than a mile and find
yourself in
alleyways that are somewhat scary--at least I felt a bit
nervous
walking alone.
Not sure if that answers your question, so please feel
free to ask
more specifics if you like.
nice response/commentary Ted. I lived in japan for just over
3 years but it was in the early 1970s when my dad was
stationed here. Things have changed quite a bit since then.
+1 it has indeed.
Girlfriend lived on Okinawa 1970~1971 and says there were
open ditches of sewage with huge rats and the tap water was
not drinkable. Utterly unlike my frequent trips on Honshu
1980~1990.
Until July 2071 Okinawa was controlled by the US.
Right and there were riots at reversion as Okinawans thought better of
US servicemen than of Japanese. For good reason.
On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 09:43:48 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
(chomp)
At Gen Sherman's funeral, CSA Gen Johnston stood in a
freezing rain as the cortege slowly passed, holding his hat
over his heart with his remaining arm. When encouraged to
step inside he replied, "He would do the same for me."*
"List of Confederate States Army officers educated at the United
States Military Academy" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_States_Army_officers_educated_at_the_United_States_Military_Academy>
Many of the Confederate generals attended West Point Military Academy
at the same time as many Union generals and probably knew each other.
I have no particular feelings about Gen Bragg one way or the
other but a case could be made and not frivolously.
When it was changed back to Fort Bragg, it was not to honor
Confederate general Braxton Bragg. Instead, it was renamed in honor
of World War II paratrooper Roland L. Bragg. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Bragg#Name_changes> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_L._Bragg>
"... the change to Fort Liberty was calculated to cost the Department
of Defense $6,374,230, making it the most expensive name change."
I couldn't find a price tag for the cost of changing it back.
*Chilled and exhausted at his age, he died shortly thereafter.
On 3/23/2025 10:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
When it was changed back to Fort Bragg, it was not to honor
Confederate general Braxton Bragg. Instead, it was
renamed in honor
of World War II paratrooper Roland L. Bragg.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Bragg#Name_changes>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_L._Bragg>
"... the change to Fort Liberty was calculated to cost the
Department
of Defense $6,374,230, making it the most expensive name
change."
I couldn't find a price tag for the cost of changing it back.
I'd bet they searched for a long time to find a Bragg to
stand in for Braxton, in a "yeah, right" manner.
On 3/23/2025 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/23/2025 7:47 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 09:37:59 -0500, AMuzi
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/22/2025 8:32 PM, zen cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 10:06 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 16:27:18 -0700,
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
I could use some opinions here. Is this video of
China
for
real? "This Video Will Change Your View of CHINA!
(no more
lies)"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9iaYliMSg> (11:17)
It presents a very positive view of China from the
point of
view of a resident who emigrated from England 13
years
ago.
Is all of urban China like that, or is he cherry
picking the
best and most modern areas? Do the videos look like
they have
been "improved" with AI?
From about 2005 to 2019 I made something like 20-30
trips to
China. The largest number were to Beijing, but I also
spent some
time (multiple days each) in Shanghai, Tianjin,
Guangzhou,
Jinan,
Chengdu, and probably a couple others I'm not recalling.
I only watched the first few minutes of the video, and
thought it
was not terribly off base--though somewhat
optimistic. I've
ridden on the bullet trains, including first class. It's
not bad,
but nowhere as nice as the shinkansen in Japan. In
general,
things are grubbier up close and not uncommonly in
need of
repair.
For example, one conference center I was at had carpet
that was
stained and dirty and had obviously been brought in from
somewhere
else. The edges were loose and didn't quite fit.
Cupboard doors
in hotel rooms may have broken hinges. The air in most
cities is
atrocious--unless a front had come through and cleared
the
air, my
sinuses typically burned from the moment of getting off
the plane
until leaving.
The nicest hotels are quite nice, and amazingly
affordable. On
the other hand, you can walk less than a mile and find
yourself in
alleyways that are somewhat scary--at least I felt a bit
nervous
walking alone.
Not sure if that answers your question, so please feel
free to ask
more specifics if you like.
nice response/commentary Ted. I lived in japan for just
over
3 years but it was in the early 1970s when my dad was
stationed here. Things have changed quite a bit since
then.
+1 it has indeed.
Girlfriend lived on Okinawa 1970~1971 and says there were
open ditches of sewage with huge rats and the tap water was
not drinkable. Utterly unlike my frequent trips on Honshu
1980~1990.
Until July 2071 Okinawa was controlled by the US.
Right and there were riots at reversion as Okinawans
thought better of US servicemen than of Japanese. For good
reason.
You have that exactly backwards. The Okinawans were tired
and disgusted by the US troop presence, culminating in
protests over the gang rape of a 12-year-old Okinawan girl
by three US servicemen.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210611055447/http:// edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9510/okinawa_protest/index.html
Civilian pressure had been mounting to remove the US troops
for many years. The gang rape pushed it to the edge and
forced the tranfers..
Any protests you might have read about weren't to maintain
US presence.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring >>>>>>>>> all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative
importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump >>>>>>> administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent
"facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to >>>>>>> "create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone >>>>>>> else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_
glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>>> up with him. That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That >>>>>> there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>> done. That there was no way to close the border without Congressional >>>>>> action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science. >>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not
waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct
Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in
Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in
education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to
keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple
that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved
in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign
students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college graduates' loans. Well of course.....
On 3/23/2025 9:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 09:43:48 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
(chomp)
At Gen Sherman's funeral, CSA Gen Johnston stood in a
freezing rain as the cortege slowly passed, holding his hat
over his heart with his remaining arm. When encouraged to
step inside he replied, "He would do the same for me."*
"List of Confederate States Army officers educated at the United
States Military Academy"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_States_Army_officers_educated_at_the_United_States_Military_Academy>
Many of the Confederate generals attended West Point Military Academy
at the same time as many Union generals and probably knew each other.
I have no particular feelings about Gen Bragg one way or the
other but a case could be made and not frivolously.
When it was changed back to Fort Bragg, it was not to honor
Confederate general Braxton Bragg. Instead, it was renamed in honor
of World War II paratrooper Roland L. Bragg.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Bragg#Name_changes>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_L._Bragg>
"... the change to Fort Liberty was calculated to cost the Department
of Defense $6,374,230, making it the most expensive name change."
I couldn't find a price tag for the cost of changing it back.
*Chilled and exhausted at his age, he died shortly thereafter.
Yes, they not only knew each other well but many served
together in Mexico.
note Mr Lee graduated West Point head of his class while Mr
Grant barely made it and was very nearly expelled.
Am 21.03.2025 um 22:11 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:05:24 -0400, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/21/2025 4:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 3/21/2025 3:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2025 2:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 13:20:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/21/2025 8:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/20/2025 11:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Apparently the far right still maintains its world view by ignoring >>>>>>>>>> all relevant facts it dislikes.
An universal trait, across all ideologies.
I strongly disagree. "Univeral" seems to imply "everybody" of "all >>>>>>>> ideologies." I think complete dismissal of facts is far, far more >>>>>>>> common
on the right.
What's more common universally is to disagree on the relative
importance
of various bits of data. And there were long periods in U.S. history >>>>>>>> when that was the main subject of disputes - which data set is more >>>>>>>> significant? Which facts should get more attention? Which issues are >>>>>>>> more important?
We're far beyond that now, at least with the right wing. Once a Trump >>>>>>>> administration invented "alternative facts" verifiable data went >>>>>>>> out the
window. The right now has a strong tendency to blatantly invent >>>>>>>> "facts"
to justify its ideas. Vance essentially confessed to that, regarding >>>>>>>> small town Ohio pets being eaten by immigrants, claiming it was OK to >>>>>>>> "create stories" - IOW, outright lie. Musk is "finding" billions and >>>>>>>> billions of dollars of fraud that regularly disappears whenever anyone >>>>>>>> else looks into the details.
Your efforts today are less blatant, but related: "Here's _one_ >>>>>>>> glacier
that grew, so we should ignore the immense worldwide shrinking of >>>>>>>> almost
all glaciers." And "Land here is slowly sinking, so we should ignore >>>>>>>> worldwide satellite measurements showing oceans rising."
I recall hearing that Joe Biden is so sharp that his staff can't keep >>>>>>> up with him.� That Trump went to Russia and had women pee on him. That >>>>>>> there was choice but to pack up and leave Afghanistan the way it was >>>>>>> done.� That there was no way to close the border without Congressional >>>>>>> action. That Hunter Biden would not be pardoned. (etc)
Both sides lie. Both sides make up "Facts." Both sides fund their pet >>>>>>> projects. Both sides are crooks.
--
Speaker Pelosi to Congress
"We need to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Leave it to the dumbass to intentionally conflate politics with science. >>>>>
Dishonesty may be among our smaller problems.
Ms Pelosi also said (clearly and correctly) that Mr Biden could not >>>>>> waive student loans without an Act of Congress.
Merely being truthful and correct had no affect on what actually
happened, as Mr Biden bragged about subsequently defying the direct >>>>>> Supreme Court ruling.
No, he didn't. He said "we'll have to find another way to do it".
And then continued anyway, misusing a 'special cases' provision for
large classes of borrowers.
People (me) who worked two jobs to pay tuition at retail in cash were
miffed at least.
Must have felt the same way my cousin did when the drinking age in
Massachusetts was lowered to 18 the day after he turned 21.
That's not the way life turns sometimes - I learned to live with it.
My loans were paid off long ago, but I thought student loan forgiveness
was a great idea, and still do. One of the reasons this country lags in
education is that we make it hard to get one. It's why Musk wants to
keep the H1B program going, and convinced trump to make it so - couple
that with this asinine thought that the government shouldn't be involved >>> in education, and it's no wonder American companies need to have foreign >>> students.
It's smacks of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Plumbers, truck drivers, and construction workers paying off college
graduates' loans. Well of course.....
By the way: most tax income is from the rich 1% rather than the other
99%. Do you know any trucker who has to pay a few millions in tax?
In other countries, plumbers, truck drivers and construction workers
just pay for "free tuition". Is that better?
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 07:38:11 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/23/2025 9:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 09:43:48 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
(chomp)
At Gen Sherman's funeral, CSA Gen Johnston stood in a
freezing rain as the cortege slowly passed, holding his hat
over his heart with his remaining arm. When encouraged to
step inside he replied, "He would do the same for me."*
"List of Confederate States Army officers educated at the United
States Military Academy"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_States_Army_officers_educated_at_the_United_States_Military_Academy>
Many of the Confederate generals attended West Point Military Academy
at the same time as many Union generals and probably knew each other.
I have no particular feelings about Gen Bragg one way or the
other but a case could be made and not frivolously.
When it was changed back to Fort Bragg, it was not to honor
Confederate general Braxton Bragg. Instead, it was renamed in honor
of World War II paratrooper Roland L. Bragg.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Bragg#Name_changes>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_L._Bragg>
"... the change to Fort Liberty was calculated to cost the Department
of Defense $6,374,230, making it the most expensive name change."
I couldn't find a price tag for the cost of changing it back.
*Chilled and exhausted at his age, he died shortly thereafter.
Yes, they not only knew each other well but many served
together in Mexico.
note Mr Lee graduated West Point head of his class while Mr
Grant barely made it and was very nearly expelled.
Custer finished last in his class ast West Point, too. He was arrested
and suspended for going AWOL while serving in the West. He took off to
go see his wife. Rumor is that his native wife was pregnant at the
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 19:01:30 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>pools but is only a byproduct of sweat from swimmers and is almost nonexistant in the quantities of freshwater in a pool.
wrote:
Anyone with the slightest grounding in chemistry would know that Chlorine is one of the least conductive materials known. (in third place) While adding SALT to water does increase conductivity over fresh water salt is NOT purposely added to swimming
They use calcium/sodium hypochlorite as an anti-germ measure(common/swimming pool bleach), and it will eventually break
down to sodium chloride. Sodium is more chlorine-avid than calcium.So
salt IS added to swimming pools (indirectly).
[]'s
On 3/24/2025 8:45 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 07:38:11 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/23/2025 9:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 09:43:48 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
(chomp)
At Gen Sherman's funeral, CSA Gen Johnston stood in a
freezing rain as the cortege slowly passed, holding his hat
over his heart with his remaining arm. When encouraged to
step inside he replied, "He would do the same for me."*
"List of Confederate States Army officers educated at the United
States Military Academy"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Confederate_States_Army_officers_educated_at_the_United_States_Military_Academy>
Many of the Confederate generals attended West Point Military Academy
at the same time as many Union generals and probably knew each other.
I have no particular feelings about Gen Bragg one way or the
other but a case could be made and not frivolously.
When it was changed back to Fort Bragg, it was not to honor
Confederate general Braxton Bragg. Instead, it was renamed in honor
of World War II paratrooper Roland L. Bragg.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Bragg#Name_changes>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_L._Bragg>
"... the change to Fort Liberty was calculated to cost the Department
of Defense $6,374,230, making it the most expensive name change."
I couldn't find a price tag for the cost of changing it back.
*Chilled and exhausted at his age, he died shortly thereafter.
Yes, they not only knew each other well but many served
together in Mexico.
note Mr Lee graduated West Point head of his class while Mr
Grant barely made it and was very nearly expelled.
Custer finished last in his class ast West Point, too. He was arrested
and suspended for going AWOL while serving in the West. He took off to
go see his wife. Rumor is that his native wife was pregnant at the
time.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Yes, a gifted but flawed complex man. He was a brilliant
tactician with a lot of administrative flaws.
He graduated (barely) from West Point in June 1861 was was
not immediately assigned a command as he was under arrest at
the time. His first court-martial, for not maintaining order
and discipline was in July 1981. Reprimanded, not dismissed.
He was promoted to General Officer in two years and again to
Major General a year later for brilliant cavalry action.
(Gen Sherman gave Gen & Mrs Custer the table on which the
Appomattox surrender had been signed)
His second court-martial was for a needless forced march
years after the war (one year relieved from duty).
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