Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/9/2025 2:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 13:51:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/9/2025 1:24 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 10:46:25 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lasd-looking-for-2-people-seen-near-southern-california-bikeway-murder-scene/
Was it one of those "kiddie trails?"
Sounds like. BE VERY AFRAID! ;-)
Oh hell no. Got a gun.
Because you're afraid, obviously.
(OK, I'm done.)
I presume even in US that the majority of gun crime is with folks who know each other. Ie not just opportunistic crime.
Unconvinced that you?re going to convince folks to be honest!
On 3/10/2025 4:38 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:Youngstown is one of the most dangerous cities in America so you don't have to look thousands of miles away. So you retain peace of mind simply by not reading ther paper.
Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/9/2025 2:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 13:51:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/9/2025 1:24 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 10:46:25 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lasd-looking-for-2-people-seen-near-southern-california-bikeway-murder-scene/
Was it one of those "kiddie trails?"
Sounds like. BE VERY AFRAID! ;-)
Oh hell no. Got a gun.
Because you're afraid, obviously.
(OK, I'm done.)
I presume even in US that the majority of gun crime is with folks who know each other. Ie not just opportunistic crime.
Unconvinced that you?re going to convince folks to be honest!
Of course I won't convince a person whose most fundamental belief is "I
gotta carry a gun to be safe." Any time they hear of a similar one-in-a-million incident occurring thousands of miles away, they take
it as "proof" that they _must_ carry their macho toy to be safe. But
they simultaneously pretend there's no fear involved, none at all!
Because admitting that fear contradicts their brave macho self image.
Changing their mind would require a Road to Damascus moment, maybe
something like accidentally shooting their best friend dead. They're absolutely impervious to data or logic.
On my ride today, I will not carry a gun nor be afraid. How's that for
macho? ;-)
On 3/10/2025 2:42 PM, AMuzi wrote:
I have carried a pocket knife since I was a child. Never sliced orSame here. I also carry a comb and a handkerchief. But it's pretty silly
stabbed anyone but yet I carry it anyway.
to pretend that the motivation for those things is the same as the
motivation for carrying a gun.
The handkerchief is handy for blowing my nose or mopping my brow. The pocketknife is handy for opening packages, cutting string, sharpening pencils, etc. The comb is for combing my hair. I use all three every day.
The gun is handy for killing, or threatening to kill someone, because
you're afraid of them. AFAICT only one person here is that fearful, and AFAICT that person has never once used the gun for its intended purpose.
I'm reminded of the joke about the guy who walked around snapping his
fingers all the time.
"Why do you keep snapping your fingers??"
"It keeps the elephants away."
"That's nuts. There are no elephants anywhere around here!"
"See? It works!!"
On 3/10/2025 11:26 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 11:21:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
Of course I won't convince a person whose most fundamental belief is "I >>> gotta carry a gun to be safe." Any time they hear of a similar
one-in-a-million incident occurring thousands of miles away, they take >>> it as "proof" that they _must_ carry their macho toy to be safe. But
they simultaneously pretend there's no fear involved, none at all!
Like I said, everyone is afraid of something. You're afraid of puppy
dogs.
Assumes facts not in evidence
Because admitting that fear contradicts their brave macho self image.
I'm afraid of many things. That's why I carry several links of chain,
in addition to spare tubes, a pump, etc. I've never had to use those
links, but I got 'em in case I do. Better to have something you don't
need than not having something you need.
Changing their mind would require a Road to Damascus moment, maybe
something like accidentally shooting their best friend dead.
Oh my, be afraid, be very afraid of that...
They're
absolutely impervious to data or logic.
Why would I shoot my best friend? What's the logic of that?
WHOOSH!
On my ride today, I will not carry a gun nor be afraid. How's that for >>> macho? ;-)
Of course you won't. You're afraid of guns and riding with others
where you know you'll be safe takes care of that fear for you.
More tommy-lies...yes, you're not tommy, but pretty fucking close with
making up things about people for the simple reason that your butthurt
and jealous.
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 12:26:30 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 11:21:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski ><[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/10/2025 4:38 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/9/2025 2:00 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 13:51:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/9/2025 1:24 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 10:46:25 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lasd-looking-for-2-people-seen-near-southern-california-bikeway-murder-scene/
Was it one of those "kiddie trails?"
Sounds like. BE VERY AFRAID! ;-)
Oh hell no. Got a gun.
Because you're afraid, obviously.
(OK, I'm done.)
I presume even in US that the majority of gun crime is with folks who know
each other. Ie not just opportunistic crime.
Unconvinced that you?re going to convince folks to be honest!
Of course I won't convince a person whose most fundamental belief is "I >>gotta carry a gun to be safe." Any time they hear of a similar >>one-in-a-million incident occurring thousands of miles away, they take
it as "proof" that they _must_ carry their macho toy to be safe. But
they simultaneously pretend there's no fear involved, none at all!
Like I said, everyone is afraid of something. You're afraid of puppy
dogs.
Because admitting that fear contradicts their brave macho self image.
I'm afraid of many things. That's why I carry several links of chain,
in addition to spare tubes, a pump, etc. I've never had to use those
links, but I got 'em in case I do. Better to have something you don't
need than not having something you need.
Changing their mind would require a Road to Damascus moment, maybe >>something like accidentally shooting their best friend dead.
Oh my, be afraid, be very afraid of that...
They're
absolutely impervious to data or logic.
Why would I shoot my best friend? What's the logic of that?
On my ride today, I will not carry a gun nor be afraid. How's that for >>macho? ;-)
Of course you won't. You're afraid of guns and riding with others
where you know you'll be safe takes care of that fear for you.
Well, safety in numbers works pretty well for Wildebeast and Zebra,
but Grizzle Bears prefer to go it alone, probably because they can
take care of themselves.
But.. but..but.. carrying a gun is legal in many places so why is
doing something that is legal a sin?
Or is this simply a matter of "you must do as I recommend or you are
wrong".
On 3/10/2025 9:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/10/2025 8:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2025 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/10/2025 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
People form their own opinions and arrange their own
behavior based on their own situation.
Yes - or based on their own phobias. I know people who
are horribly afraid of spiders, garter snakes, honeybees,
graveyards and more.
Smart? No. Logical? No. But at least they're not carrying
lethal weaponry.
My daughter for example used to take the train to work
in inclement or bitter cold Chicago winters.
No longer. ...
You're the anecdote master, Andrew. But IIRC you've not
yet found a horrifying anecdote about quiet bike paths in
suburban Florida, near our timid tricycle rider.
The murder of this thread was of an unarmed man on a bike
path.
Which does not mean it's even remotely likely on the bike
path where Mr. Tricycle Rider rides. It was a one in a
million event, thousands of miles away.
His fear is as unrealistic as fear of dying from a spider
bite. It's almost as unrealistic as fear of walking past a
graveyard. It's a phobia, and his quasi-macho defense
strategy is even less admirable than clutching a teddy bear.
OK, the risk is remote. But it's not zero.
Which is why people make their own assessments by their own
standards for their own personal reasons. Or for no reason.
See also bicycle helmets.
... about "noon" and...
and the circlejerk continues
Just because it can happen doesn?t mean it will happen, going out on limb
but I suspect that CatTrike Ryder will be perfectly safe with or without carrying any guns on his rides.
I suspect he knows this as well, but simply likes having the gun on him?
John B. <[email protected]> wrote:
On 11 Mar 2025 10:23:20 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/10/2025 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/10/2025 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
People form their own opinions and arrange their own
behavior based on their own situation.
Yes - or based on their own phobias. I know people who are
horribly afraid of spiders, garter snakes, honeybees,
graveyards and more.
Smart? No. Logical? No. But at least they're not carrying
lethal weaponry.
My daughter for example used to take the train to work in
inclement or bitter cold Chicago winters.
No longer. ...
You're the anecdote master, Andrew. But IIRC you've not yet
found a horrifying anecdote about quiet bike paths in
suburban Florida, near our timid tricycle rider.
The murder of this thread was of an unarmed man on a bike path.
Just because it can happen doesn t mean it will happen, going out on limb
but I suspect that CatTrike Ryder will be perfectly safe with or without >> carrying any guns on his rides.
I suspect he knows this as well, but simply likes having the gun on him? >>
Roger Merriman
I spent more then a year in Vietnam where people did, on occasion,
shoot at you and I can assure you that a firearm did give you a
certain sense of security :-)
Even when they weren't shooting :-)
I?m assuming this was the Vietnam war or similar which is a kinda difficult risk case to put it mildly!
And yes there are places where having a gun on you seems a wise decision, riding your bike even in America doesn?t seems likely hence the absence of bike specific kit to do so.
On 3/10/2025 8:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2025 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/10/2025 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
People form their own opinions and arrange their own behavior based
on their own situation.
Yes - or based on their own phobias. I know people who are horribly
afraid of spiders, garter snakes, honeybees, graveyards and more.
Smart? No. Logical? No. But at least they're not carrying lethal
weaponry.
My daughter for example used to take the train to work in inclement
or bitter cold Chicago winters.
No longer. ...
You're the anecdote master, Andrew. But IIRC you've not yet found a
horrifying anecdote about quiet bike paths in suburban Florida, near
our timid tricycle rider.
The murder of this thread was of an unarmed man on a bike path.
Which does not mean it's even remotely likely on the bike path where Mr. Tricycle Rider rides. It was a one in a million event, thousands of
miles away.
His fear is as unrealistic as fear of dying from a spider bite. It's
almost as unrealistic as fear of walking past a graveyard. It's a
phobia, and his quasi-macho defense strategy is even less admirable than clutching a teddy bear.
On 3/11/2025 4:06 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 22:57:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/10/2025 8:27 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
For many years, I've carried a gun in a
shoulder holster when I've been driving long distance, even in states
when it wasn't legal to do so. Standing beside the car or truck while
pumping gas at 0200 seemed to warrant it.
Damn. What a timid, fearful man!
<chuckle> It's almost too easy to trigger Krygowski's anger. My guns
and I own the little wuss.
:-) That made me laugh! I point out how timid you are, and you think
that means I'm mad?
Nice try. :-)
On 3/11/2025 8:50 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2025 9:56 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/10/2025 8:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
The murder of this thread was of an unarmed man on a bike path.
Which does not mean it's even remotely likely on the bike path where
Mr. Tricycle Rider rides. It was a one in a million event, thousands
of miles away.
His fear is as unrealistic as fear of dying from a spider bite. It's
almost as unrealistic as fear of walking past a graveyard. It's a
phobia, and his quasi-macho defense strategy is even less admirable
than clutching a teddy bear.
OK, the risk is remote. But it's not zero.
Andrew, no risk is zero. But rational and non-phobic people's assessment
of most risks is _usually_ at least vaguely related to the actual
likelihood of the bad event.
That's not true for some "dangers," like spiders and snakes. There are
fewer than ten deaths from each per year in the U.S. Yet many people
are completely irrational in those phobias.
Mr. Tricycle is similarly irrational in his fear of riding a bike path without his gun. And he's lately let us know that he's also afraid of
driving without a gun or pumping gas without a gun. He's afraid of
pedaling on normal streets, too, gun or no. Remember, he's still in an endless snit because I said that if he lacked the courage or competence
to ride normal roads, he could continue just riding back and forth on
his path, but it would be too boring for me.
His fears are not normal, and his fearful behavior is not admirable.
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