On 2/23/2025 9:47 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/22/2025 11:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
If the tubing were thin enough, it
might be springy enough for self healing dents. However,
the same
springiness will also provide a springy ride.
Nope. If the dent is visible when the impact is over, it's
not going to self heal.
+1
It's either within the elastic limits or it is permanent
deformation. Can't be both.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:04:09 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:26:05 +0700, John B. <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 13:06:13 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 19:58:29 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
On Fri Nov 8 14:03:46 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
It doesn't exist, Tom. You can't pop a dent out a bicycle frame tube by >>>>> riding the bike. Thinking you can is a sign of insanity.
If you have a slight dent in high performance steel. the tubing can revert to its natural shape under stress.
Tom. The only steel that might do that is spring steel (1095, 1060, >>>1075, 1080, etc). Bicycle frames are not made from spring steel. If >>>they were made from spring steel, they would ride like the proverbial >>>wet noodle.
Errr... 1095 is not "spring steel". At least not in the metal working >>field. It is simply a high carbon steel and one common use is knife >>blades and other cutting devices :-)
True, but I beg to differ slightly. Wikipedia lists 1095 as "Blue, or >polished bright spring steel". Same with McMaster-Carr catalog: ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_steel> ><https://www.mcmaster.com/catalog/116/3630>
During the 1960's, I was working in my father's lingerie factory after >school. We couldn't afford a resident toolmaker to build the sewing >machine attachments. So, I was volunteered to do the work. My father
took home a few tools and some stock including a box of assorted coils
of spring steel. When he died in 1995(?), I inherited the tools and
metal stock which included some 1095 coils and scrap.
However, it seems that it's also suitable for knives. I know a little >about knife making and sharpening. I made one knife from a kit: ><https://www.knifekits.com>
I do fairly well (for a beginner) at sharpening. 1095 is considered a
good steel for knifemaking because of it's edge retention. It's most >suitable for survival knives. 1095 has no corrosion resistance and >therefore poor edge retention in corrosive environments: ><https://www.bladehq.com/blog/knife-steel-guide#1095>
You can make a knife out of a rock if that is all you have so lets not
get carried away :-)
Like most things the material used to make a knife is largely
dependent on what you intend to use it for.
And before we get further, I spent quite a bit of my life working with metals, from forging and making knives from old files to managing a
machine shop where far more modern steels are used in jet engines and
that sort of thing
And yes there are steels to make different knives, and over the years
I've made a lot of knives ranging from my wives kitchen knives to a
"special" hunting knife for my Father's Christmas present, and not to
mention all the shop cutting tools over the years.
To my mind a "good knife" is a knife that works well for the use that
you intend to use it for. My wife's (she's gone now) are still in the
kitchen and still work as well as they did when I made then nearly 30
years ago, she complained of a store bought knife and I, foolishly,
made her a good carbon-steel knife and went from being "Master of the
House" to "kitchen knife maker" over night :-(
For bicycle frame use, it could probably survive a crash, but will
corrode away in the first rain. If the tubing were thin enough, it
might be springy enough for self healing dents. However, the same >springiness will also provide a springy ride.
And, no bicycle frames are not made from knife quality carbon steel
although it could be that when I as a lad bike frames might well have
been made of low carbon tubing as from memory they did bend a lot in a
crash.
Having the boss monitor you with a stopwatch is characteristic of a
job where you are paid by the millisecond. That sometimes works with
hourly employees. However, it doesn't apply to salaried professional
or exempt employees who are more commonly paid by the job and not by
the millisecond:
<https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/exempt-employee.asp>
If you "never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
attention", you were likely NOT receiving a salary and working as an
exempt employee, professional, manager, executive, or consultant.
I also find it odd the you wrote "a boss" instead of "my boss" or "my manager". Hourly employees might have one of more managers. Salaried professionals usually have a single manager, even if you worked for a committee.
At one company, the chief engineer would walk around the lab and
remark "am I paying you for this" if he saw anyone doing something he considered not job related. Eventually, he was asked by the other
managers to stop doing that because it was highly disruptive and
usually resulted in work coming to a screeching halt.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:04:15 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
I never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full attention to your job.
I imagine that's probably true in your case.
On 22 Feb 2025 22:27:53 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:04:15 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>Even paid hourly if one is competent and job is complex might well be down >times waiting for something or someone to start/finish and so would have >flexibility aka time to and opportunity to do personal things or simply >have tea break/chat or whatever.
wrote:
On Fri Nov 8 13:54:21 2024 Zen Cycle wrote:
On 11/8/2024 12:20 PM, cyclintom wrote:
No company could survive you and a boss that spots you not working and >>>>> does say anything about it.
Who ever said my boss caught me not working?
You did asshole - you said that you were watching baseball and your boss >>> came around and asked what the score was - not that he asked why you
weren't working. I never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full >>> attention to your job.
Having the boss monitor you with a stopwatch is characteristic of a
job where you are paid by the millisecond. That sometimes works with
hourly employees. However, it doesn't apply to salaried professional
or exempt employees who are more commonly paid by the job and not by
the millisecond:
<https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/exempt-employee.asp>
If you "never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
attention", you were likely NOT receiving a salary and working as an
exempt employee, professional, manager, executive, or consultant.
I also find it odd the you wrote "a boss" instead of "my boss" or "my
manager". Hourly employees might have one of more managers. Salaried
professionals usually have a single manager, even if you worked for a
committee.
At one company, the chief engineer would walk around the lab and
remark "am I paying you for this" if he saw anyone doing something he
considered not job related. Eventually, he was asked by the other
managers to stop doing that because it was highly disruptive and
usually resulted in work coming to a screeching halt.
Only be stopwatches etc on fairly menial repetitive jobs.
Roger Merriman
Way back when, I was running a Machine Shop in the
Air Force, during one inspection they counted my workers to see
whether personnel was being used effectively. Disregarding the 2 or 3
out working on airplanes I had two working on various machines and one
guy sitting reading a book.
After the inspection the Maintenance Officer got onto me about shop management and I explained that the two guys running machines were
working on "home jobs", i.e. work for themselves, as we had only one outstanding work order, and the guy reading the book was reading the Machinerys Handbook
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machinery%27s_Handbook)
to figure just how he was going to do that rather complex job.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 12:36:11 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
If you "never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
attention", you were likely NOT receiving a salary and working as an
exempt employee, professional, manager, executive, or consultant.
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. The above sentence should be:
If you "never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
attention", you were likely NOT receiving a salary and were probably
NOT working as an exempt employee, professional, manager, executive,
or consultant.
On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 15:32:37 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
I'm getting pretty tired of hearing how something I actually experienced isn't possible.
Did you take any photos? Before and after? Such amazing properties
for bicycle frame tubing should be worthy of acclaim in a scientific
and cycling journal. If it worked so well for you, why not repeat the experiment? Just hammer a dent in one of your numerous bicycles and
do whatever magic it takes to remove the dent by just riding around.
Don't forget to post a video. I have a friend who does automobile
detailing who would be interested in seeing the video.
If hearing that you're wrong somehow offends or tires you, simply stop
lying and fabricating anecdotal evidence. It's very much like you
claiming that you were offended my evidence and the conveniently
deciding that you couldn't read the URL's which I had posted. You can
do the same here by simply burying your head in the sand and
pretending to not believe anyone who disagrees with you: <https://www.google.com/search?q=hear%20no%20evil%20speak%20no%20evil%20see%20no%20evil&udm=2>
On Mon, 3 Mar 2025 19:58:21 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2025 3:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
If it worked so well for you, why not repeat the
experiment? Just hammer a dent in one of your numerous bicycles and
do whatever magic it takes to remove the dent by just riding around.
Don't forget to post a video.
That's good advice! If Tom did succeed in removing the dent that way and >documented it indisputably, I think he'd become famous in metallurgical >literature.
List of metallurgy journals: <https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=top_venues&hl=en&vq=eng_metallurgy>
Most of these would likely be interested in publishing something about
Tom's amazing dent-proof technology. Auto body repair groups such as: <https://nationalautobodycouncil.org>
would likely have a different view.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:10:44 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:04:09 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >wrote:
1095 is considered a
good steel for knifemaking because of it's edge retention.
Oops. I wrote that backwards. It should be:
"1095 is not considered a good steel for knifemaking because of it's
poor edge retention."
Maybe good for kitchen knives, most of which do not need a very sharp
edge.
https://www.battlebladesinc.com/what-is-it-1095 https://www.sdknives.co.za/product/1095-high-carbon-steel-35mm/?srsltid=AfmBOooRPluStSMjkyguHokJvnEMdU4-XpAeuUHS8AwGU5Qo34-Vz5BJ
https://www.tomtek.eu/product/blade-steel-1-1274-aisi-1095/ https://www.amazon.com/Forging-Annealed-Supplies-Hobbyist-Professional/dp/B0CS2F4QVP
https://forum.spyderco.com/viewtopic.php?t=95943 http://www.htsteelmill.com/1095-carbon-steel.html?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIieej-__YiwMV_oRLBR2VWCB4EAAYASAAEgL1L_D_BwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVH3xQCXdZQ
And that's only the first page :-)
You might want to watch :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkZgWWJ8yA
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:45:27 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/23/2025 10:22 AM, John B. wrote:
You can heat treat 1095 to a hardness that it won't bend at all :-)
(so much for "spring steel")
I think you mean a hardness that will make it so brittle it will break >instead of permanently (plastically) bend. But it will bend elastically.
O.K., I'll say it again, I, or anyone else who knows what they are
doing can heat treat 1095 steel so that you cannot make it bend to any
easily visible amount. I'll go even further, I can heat treat 1095 to
the extent that when you quench the hot steel it will crack or break.
On 2/22/2025 4:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/22/2025 4:06 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 19:58:29 GMT, cyclintomSorry, I'm going to disagree with you about spring steel.
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri Nov 8 14:03:46 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:
It doesn't exist, Tom. You can't pop a dent out a
bicycle frame tube by
riding the bike. Thinking you can is a sign of insanity.
If you have a slight dent in high performance steel. the
tubing can revert to its natural shape under stress.
Tom. The only steel that might do that is spring steel
(1095, 1060,
1075, 1080, etc). Bicycle frames are not made from spring
steel. If
they were made from spring steel, they would ride like the
proverbial
wet noodle.
So, what's the SAE/AISI number for such a spring steel
bicycle frame
and who is selling such bicycles?
<https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=6151>
Since you claim that you fixed the dent on YOUR bicycle,
could I
trouble you for the maker and model number of this bicycle
so I can
determine steel alloy that was used? Some photos of the
dent, before
and after, would also be nice.
Note that I'm not talking about shape memory metal alloys:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape-memory_alloy>
I'm also not talking about hydroforming, which doesn't
work at
removing dents in steel tubing without high pressure
hydraulic
assistance. It's commonly used for bending aluminum
frames. You
obviously don't have the necessary equipment in your
garage workshop
because you claimed that the dent popped out after simply
riding the
bicycle:
<https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-mechanics/919494-ding-
removal.html>
Where the hell do you get off not knowing the properties
of tempered steel and commenting on it?
Frank, he's all yours now.
AFAIK there is _no_ steel that would spontaneously cure a
dent in a bicycle tube from riding stresses. If the steel is
dented, it's been stressed in that location beyond its yield
point. There's no practical way for that to spontaneously
reverse itself.
While Andrew knows much more than I about the applicable
shop techniques, I think you might be able to partially
remove a dent in a tube if, like a seat tube, you had access
to an open end. Perhaps forcing in a series of mandrels of
increasing diameter could gradually force the dent outward.
(Something similar is done to repair dents in the tubing of
brass instruments like trumpets.) But I doubt it would give
a perfect result, and I think cosmetic repair (maybe Bondo?)
would be needed to get it really pretty.
What Tom is describing is his usual mix of lying and fantasy
and ignorance.
Methods to form, or re form, steel are irrelevant here.
The principle is that once you're beyond the elastic limit,
the piece will have measurable deformation. That's a crystal
slip, i.e., the structure of the material has changed.
Regardless of human decisions after that (re form,
cosmetically cover such as lead fill or bondo, replace the
damaged piece, throw out the unit) the material has changed;
it's not going to spontaneously pop back to pre-strain shape.
On 3/5/2025 12:52 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/4/2025 10:30 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/4/2025 4:28 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I have a set of damascus steel knives that you dare not touch to your >> skin and yet they can be flexed.
Of course! No solid is perfectly rigid. All metals deform or "flex"
when stress is applied. That has nothing much to do with your claims
of magic tubing healing itself.
A dent by definition is beyond the elastic limit.Right. I don't think Tom understands that.
On 3/4/2025 10:30 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/4/2025 4:28 PM, cyclintom wrote:
I have a set of damascus steel knives that you dare notskin and yet they can be flexed.
touch to your
Of course! No solid is perfectly rigid. All metals deform or
"flex" when stress is applied. That has nothing much to do
with your claims of magic tubing healing itself.
A dent by definition is beyond the elastic limit.
On 3/4/2025 12:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
For a typical dent, this Waterford for example: http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfd12a.jpg
the tube is rolled to reform the greater part of the deformation:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfd12b.jpg
then the remaining low spots are filled with polyester bondo or with
metal (brass, silver, lead. I use lead):
http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfd12c.jpg
and finished:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/wfd12e.jpg
Could you explain what's meant by "the tube is rolled"? As I said
earlier, I'd thought the first step would be pushing a mandrel through
(if the dent was in the seatpost) to partially push out the dent. Of
course, that wouldn't work except on a seat tube, and I suppose would
still require filling. Are you skipping that step entirely?
BTW, my antique BMW has a slight dent in the top of the gas tank,
apparently from something falling onto it. I've heard of "paintless dent repair" for car bodies and wondered about it, but never looked deeply
into it. I gather that some skilled body workers can do pretty well at pushing dents back out from the underside.
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:44:02 -0500, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2/22/2025 1:58 PM, cyclintom wrote:
Who the hell does he think he's impressi9ng by saying
that yhe didn't look down at down tube friction shifters in races
I'm not impressing anyone, because no one else had to look down either.
If one needed to look down to shift, they shouldn't be racing.
My touring bicycle has downtube shifters. When I was riding it, I
would look down before shifting at the start of the ride. After I
became accustomed to its position, I didn't need to look down. If I
adjusted the saddle or handlebars position, I had to start over. I
assume that racers and pros do not tinker with these adjustments prior
to a race and would therefore have the time needed to properly find
the down tube shifters.
In the my computer biz and piano pounding hobby, I've noticed that a
fair number of people look at their hands instead of the computer
screen or sheet music. I had both of these problems when I was first learning to type and play. I've partly fix the keyboard problem and
can now type on the letter keys without looking at the keyboard.
However, the rows of numbers, function keys and number pad are a lost
cause. I have to look at those. The problem is that there are far
too many different keyboard layouts. Recognizing the problem, I
purchase about 10 Dell SK-81xx mechanical keyboards for use at home
and in my former office. <https://www.google.com/search?q=dell%20sk-81%3F%3F&udm=2>
I can now almost type with my eyes closed.
With the piano, the problem was that I play almost totally by ear. No
sheet music. Therefore, I had no incentive to learn to play by touch
or with my eyes closed. I can play with my eyes closed on my Korg
DSS-1 synthesizer, but not on any other piano, organ, etc: <https://www.google.com/search?q=korg%20dss-1&udm=2>
What's happening is that people have varying degrees of hand-eye coordination. Some people can type or play piano with their eye's
closed. Here's an example of one pianist who can play without looking
at his hands:
<https://www.youtube.com/@Lord_Vinheteiro/videos>
For cycling, the trick is to reduce the number of variables to make
shifting easier for the rider. That means don't move the saddle or
shifters, large paddle handles, and lots of practice.
On 2/24/2025 1:05 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:44:02 -0500, Zen Cycle <[email protected]> wrote:
... If one needed to look down to shift, they shouldn't be racing.
My touring bicycle has downtube shifters. When I was riding it, I
would look down before shifting at the start of the ride. After I
became accustomed to its position, I didn't need to look down.
Looking down is reasonable to see if one's friction shifters had the derailleur sideplates precisely clear of the chain and chainring before starting. I doubt anyone older than 11 needs to look down to find the
levers.
I don't look down to grab a water bottle out of its cage. It's always in
the same position.
... I ... can now type on the letter keys without looking at the keyboard. However, the rows of numbers, function keys and number pad are a lost cause. I have to look at those.
From time to time, I had enough numerical data to process that I taught myself to use the number pad without looking. It's not hard. (But its
weird that telephone key pads are not the same layout as keyboard keypads.)
What's happening is that people have varying degrees of hand-eye coordination. Some people can type or play piano with their eye's
closed.
Try playing fiddle or cello! There are no frets, so there's no visual
markers to look at. Stopping the string against the fingerboard has to
be done entirely by muscle memory and near instantaneous auditory
correction, if necessary. On fiddle, it's most difficult when shifting
upward from first position to play in a higher position. By comparison, guitar, clarinet, flute etc. are much easier, IME.
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:56:30 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
From time to time, I had enough numerical data to process that I taught
myself to use the number pad without looking. It's not hard. (But its
weird that telephone key pads are not the same layout as keyboard keypads.)
The first touch tone phone was introduced by Ma Bell (AT&T) in 1963.
At the time, Ma Bell was doing everything possible to avoid being
declared a vertically integrated monopoly, which owns every part of
the business from components to equipment rentals. Ma Bell actually
did own everything, but not the computer part of the business.
Ma Bell had various methods of convincing the courts that they were
not trying to extend their monopoly into the computer business. As
long as Ma Bell was not selling or providing computer products or
services, the illusion was maintained. The problem was that more
things were being done at the CO's (central offices) and at the
subscriber location by computers. The billing machines, switches,
routing, etc were all done by devices closely resembling computers. Ma
Bell's strategy was to rename everything that could possibly be
considered a computer to some other less risky name. AT&T also made
an effort to design the subscriber equipment to NOT look or function
like a computer. The problem was that calculators were far older than
touch tone dials. Therefore, the Ma Bell touch tone dial pad was
re-arranged so that it still functioned for dialing, but would drive
the subscriber (user) insane if they tried to use it as a calculator
or switch back and forth between the layouts.
There are also some other theories on why there's a difference: <https://www.vcalc.net/keyboard.htm>
On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 16:27:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sat Feb 22 13:13:40 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 12:36:11 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]>
wrote:
If you "never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
attention", you were likely NOT receiving a salary and working as an
exempt employee, professional, manager, executive, or consultant.
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. The above sentence should be:
If you "never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
attention", you were likely NOT receiving a salary and were probably
NOT working as an exempt employee, professional, manager, executive,
or consultant.
I will ask you again: since the only job you ever worked, the supervisor would not even give you a recommendation, what in hell gives you the idea that you know ANYTHING about working?
That's easy. A sure sign that I know something about working is that employers, clients and companies were willing to pay me do things for
them. The following are some things that gave me the idea that I know something about working for a living:
1. One house without a mortgage.
2. Social Security payments based on my past income.
3. One 24 year old automobile without a mortgage.
4. A continuing demand for my services after my retirement.
5. A bank account with sufficient cash to hopefully will survive the
antics of our fearless leader.
6. Whatever else I forgot.
I will ask you again: What maker and model bicycle were you riding
when your amazing frame tubing magically repaired a dent by simply
riding the bicycle? I want to read about this magic tubing.
On 3/3/2025 5:59 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 16:27:02 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sat Feb 22 13:13:40 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 12:36:11 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <[email protected]> >>> wrote:
If you "never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
attention", you were likely NOT receiving a salary and working as an >>>> exempt employee, professional, manager, executive, or consultant.
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. The above sentence should be:
If you "never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
attention", you were likely NOT receiving a salary and were probably
NOT working as an exempt employee, professional, manager, executive,
or consultant.
I will ask you again: since the only job you ever worked, the supervisor would not even give you a recommendation, what in hell gives you the idea that you know ANYTHING about working?
That's easy. A sure sign that I know something about working is that employers, clients and companies were willing to pay me do things for
them. The following are some things that gave me the idea that I know something about working for a living:
1. One house without a mortgage.
2. Social Security payments based on my past income.
3. One 24 year old automobile without a mortgage.
4. A continuing demand for my services after my retirement.
5. A bank account with sufficient cash to hopefully will survive the antics of our fearless leader.
6. Whatever else I forgot.
I will ask you again: What maker and model bicycle were you riding
when your amazing frame tubing magically repaired a dent by simply
riding the bicycle? I want to read about this magic tubing.
I'm more interested in this million dollar investment than he's had for
5 years and is still only worth a million - even though he's allegedly
making 10-14K a month on it for these 5 years.
On Mon, 03 Mar 2025 16:17:26 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sat Feb 22 12:36:11 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Having the boss monitor you with a stopwatch is characteristic of a
job where you are paid by the millisecond. That sometimes works with
hourly employees. However, it doesn't apply to salaried professional
or exempt employees who are more commonly paid by the job and not by
the millisecond:
<https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/exempt-employee.asp>
If you "never worked one job where a boss didn't demand full
attention", you were likely NOT receiving a salary and working as an
exempt employee, professional, manager, executive, or consultant.
I also find it odd the you wrote "a boss" instead of "my boss" or "my
manager". Hourly employees might have one of more managers. Salaried
professionals usually have a single manager, even if you worked for a
committee.
At one company, the chief engineer would walk around the lab and
remark "am I paying you for this" if he saw anyone doing something he
considered not job related. Eventually, he was asked by the other
managers to stop doing that because it was highly disruptive and
usually resulted in work coming to a screeching halt.
Jeff, what do you know about real jobs?
Not much. I worked in various real jobs and consulting gigs after
graduating from college in 1971: <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/> After 1984, I opened my own computer service and consulting business
and worked profitably ever after until I retired in 2021.
Were you able to recall what you did in the 17 years between leaving
the USAF in 1967:
11/02/2021 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/MyPJ4MA3e60/m/-TZfbH7xAQAJ> "I was born in October of 1944. I joined at 17.5 Those with the
ability to add would assume that I joined the Air Force in May of
1961. 4 years of active duty and two years inactive liable to be
recalled would to most people mean that I got off of active duty in
1965 and finished my service of the Air Force in 1967."
and your return to a real job at Thoratec Laboratories in 1984? <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
(I like your "Those with the ability to add...", where you insult the
reading and arithmetic abilities of your audience).
BTW, did you ever find or reconstruct your 14 page resume which you
claim was erased from your computer by a malicious computer
technician?
Consider how often you?ve misunderstood/remembered things which you?ve then just repeated.
And one can read back his comments and look at Strava etc.
This is a Tom problem as ever!
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat Aug 30 17:21:23 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Consider how often you?ve misunderstood/remembered things which you?ve then
just repeated.
And one can read back his comments and look at Strava etc.
This is a Tom problem as ever!
Roger you've said that many times before but you've never quoted me
saying anything about Flunky that he didn't say himself. In case you're unaware of it, you can erase postings on Strava so your pretense that looking on Strava proves anything is a false belief.
Why haven't you made any comments about the "races" that Flunky claims to have done that are virtual "races" that are preposterous?
I'm perfectoly willing to give credit to Flunky for the things he
actually has done. But there isn't anything that he has done that he will not exaggerate completely out of proportion.
He isn?t the one telling fishermen tails about his fitness etc, his Strava etc support that he?s a fit guy who races, your the one who brought in unsupported claims neither he or anyone else ?remembers? him claiming any
of these things, this is very much a you thing.
On 8/30/2025 7:04 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat Aug 30 17:21:23 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
Consider how often you?ve misunderstood/remembered things which you?ve then
just repeated.
And one can read back his comments and look at Strava etc.
This is a Tom problem as ever!
Roger you've said that many times before but you've never quoted me
saying anything about Flunky that he didn't say himself.
Oh, like you claimed I said I was a production engineer, a manufacturing engineer, a QC engineer, or that I lived in New hampshire? Hint, sparky:
I never claimed any of those things, Those were all figments of your imagination
In case you're
unaware of it, you can erase postings on Strava so your pretense that
looking on Strava proves anything is a false belief.
Tommy, There were never any postings on my strava account of a 200 mile
ride. They weren't erased because they were never there to begin with.
Why haven't you made any comments about the "races" that Flunky claims to >> have done that are virtual "races" that are preposterous?
Probably because a) the claims are true, Zwift proves that*, and 2) they aren't preposterous. Virtual racing is now an annual UCI sanctioned
event. BTW - Jay Vine, who won the UCI Esports Worl Championships in
2022 is currently leasing the Vuelta a Espa a KOM standings (end of the first week today).
I'm perfectoly willing to give credit to Flunky for the things he
actually has done.
no, actually, you're not, and you never have.
But there isn't anything that he has done that he will
not exaggerate completely out of proportion.
Name one thing I've ever claimed I did in this forum that was "out of proportion".
I have no idea where you dreamed up this ridiculous fiction about me
doing two-hundred mile rides. The the fact that I would ever even
attempt to post such a thing fails the basic logic test - People I've
ridden and raced with for decades follow me on Strava. If I were to post
such a ride, they would be the first ones to call me out, they know
rides over 4 hours aren't something I do. They also know what I'm
capable of, and something as ridiculous as a two hundred mile ride at a
20 mph average would be something they would immediately know was bogus. Unlike you, these are people I respect and in two cases consider my
mentors when I started racing in the 1980s.
Why would I be ashamed of something from a loudmouth asshole I've never
met on the other side the country when I see and ride with the people
that follow me on strava an a regular basis. Does it make any sense the
I would deleted such a ridiculous fantasy ride because a piece of shit
like _you_ doubted it? Get over yourself.
No, tommy, this is something you dreamed up from somewhere that has no
basis in any fact of plane of reality.
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