No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I�d guess misadventure but since he�s not been formally identified let
alone cause of death established�
On 2/18/2025 5:20 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:A few years ago, we had the first and only fatality in our 265 acre
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I’d guess misadventure but since he’s not been formally identified let >> alone cause of death established…
nature preserve's history. The guy was a middle aged mountain biker and fitness enthusiast, not known to me but known well by some of my
friends, mostly through their contact at a local gym.
He apparently fell off his mountain bike into a very shallow creek while crossing a little footbridge on a winter ride. I never heard autopsy findings, but I wonder if his death was some combination of being
knocked out and suffering hypothermia.
On 18 Feb 2025 10:20:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified let >alone cause of death established?
Well, he's been identified:
<https://www.ideal.es/jaen/jaen/confirmado-cuerpo-hallado-siles-ciclista-americano-desaparecido-20250217144318-nt.html>
I hate Spanish. No signs of trauma were found by the coroner,
so it was considered "natural death". But the body was quite
decomposed...
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified let
alone cause of death established?
On Tue Feb 18 08:58:25 2025 Shadow wrote:
On 18 Feb 2025 10:20:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified let
alone cause of death established?
Well, he's been identified:
<https://www.ideal.es/jaen/jaen/confirmado-cuerpo-hallado-siles-ciclista-americano-desaparecido-20250217144318-nt.html>
I hate Spanish. No signs of trauma were found by the coroner,
so it was considered "natural death". But the body was quite
decomposed...
Enough trauma to kill a person would show in an autopsy performed by any competent coroner. Now if you want to argue the competency of the ME, that is another subject. Stop talking about things you don't know anything about.
On 2/18/2025 5:20 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified let alone cause of death established?A few years ago, we had the first and only fatality in our 265 acre
nature preserve's history. The guy was a middle aged mountain biker and fitness enthusiast, not known to me but known well by some of my
friends, mostly through their contact at a local gym.
He apparently fell off his mountain bike into a very shallow creek while crossing a little footbridge on a winter ride. I never heard autopsy findings, but I wonder if his death was some combination of being
knocked out and suffering hypothermia.
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
On Tue Feb 18 08:58:25 2025 Shadow wrote:
On 18 Feb 2025 10:20:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified let
alone cause of death established?
Well, he's been identified:
<https://www.ideal.es/jaen/jaen/confirmado-cuerpo-hallado-siles-ciclista-americano-desaparecido-20250217144318-nt.html>
I hate Spanish. No signs of trauma were found by the coroner,
so it was considered "natural death". But the body was quite
decomposed...
Enough trauma to kill a person would show in an autopsy performed by any competent coroner. Now if you want to argue the competency of the ME, that is another subject. Stop talking about things you don't know anything about.
None of us know.
Assault, attack by animal, bike crash with serious injury
and no assistance available, heart attack or stroke, all are
possible but details are not clear.
On Tue Feb 18 11:04:14 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 5:20 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:A few years ago, we had the first and only fatality in our 265 acre
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified let
alone cause of death established?
nature preserve's history. The guy was a middle aged mountain biker and
fitness enthusiast, not known to me but known well by some of my
friends, mostly through their contact at a local gym.
He apparently fell off his mountain bike into a very shallow creek while
crossing a little footbridge on a winter ride. I never heard autopsy
findings, but I wonder if his death was some combination of being
knocked out and suffering hypothermia.
He was in Spain Frank, while hypothermia is possible it is unlikely that he would be unconscious long enough to become hypothermic. More likely a broken neck disconnecting blood flow to the brain.
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 18:51:12 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Feb 18 08:58:25 2025 Shadow wrote:
On 18 Feb 2025 10:20:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <[email protected]> wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified let >>>> alone cause of death established?
Well, he's been identified:
<https://www.ideal.es/jaen/jaen/confirmado-cuerpo-hallado-siles-ciclista-americano-desaparecido-20250217144318-nt.html>
I hate Spanish. No signs of trauma were found by the coroner,
so it was considered "natural death". But the body was quite
decomposed...
Enough trauma to kill a person would show in an autopsy performed by any competent coroner. Now if you want to argue the competency of the ME, that is another subject. Stop talking about things you don't know anything about.
I have been a "medico legista", moron. (A coroner).
A knife wound through an artery would NOT appear at autopsy,
Asfixia with a plastic bag, ditto, or even strangulation as long as
the hyoid bone was not fractured.
The body had been decomposing for 24 days when it was found.
Insect and rodent activity + decomp would have covered up most signs
of foul play.
Not all trauma breaks bones...
[]'s
On Tue Feb 18 11:04:14 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 5:20 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:A few years ago, we had the first and only fatality in our 265 acre
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified let
alone cause of death established?
nature preserve's history. The guy was a middle aged mountain biker and
fitness enthusiast, not known to me but known well by some of my
friends, mostly through their contact at a local gym.
He apparently fell off his mountain bike into a very shallow creek while
crossing a little footbridge on a winter ride. I never heard autopsy
findings, but I wonder if his death was some combination of being
knocked out and suffering hypothermia.
He was in Spain Frank, while hypothermia is possible it is unlikely
that he would be unconscious long enough to become hypothermic.
More likely a broken neck disconnecting blood flow to the brain.
On 2/18/2025 1:08 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Tue Feb 18 11:04:14 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 5:20 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:A few years ago, we had the first and only fatality in our 265 acre
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified let >>>> alone cause of death established?
nature preserve's history. The guy was a middle aged mountain biker and
fitness enthusiast, not known to me but known well by some of my
friends, mostly through their contact at a local gym.
He apparently fell off his mountain bike into a very shallow creek while >>> crossing a little footbridge on a winter ride. I never heard autopsy
findings, but I wonder if his death was some combination of being
knocked out and suffering hypothermia.
He was in Spain Frank, while hypothermia is possible it is unlikely that
he would be unconscious long enough to become hypothermic. More likely a
broken neck disconnecting blood flow to the brain.
You (and I) do not know the altitude. Or much else for that
matter.
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/18/2025 1:08 PM, cyclintom wrote:Indeed that area of Spain is hilly and even areas such as Tenerife which is much further south can get cold at height and does snow occasionally.
On Tue Feb 18 11:04:14 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 5:20 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:A few years ago, we had the first and only fatality in our 265 acre
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt-opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified let >>>>> alone cause of death established?
nature preserve's history. The guy was a middle aged mountain biker and >>>> fitness enthusiast, not known to me but known well by some of my
friends, mostly through their contact at a local gym.
He apparently fell off his mountain bike into a very shallow creek while >>>> crossing a little footbridge on a winter ride. I never heard autopsy
findings, but I wonder if his death was some combination of being
knocked out and suffering hypothermia.
He was in Spain Frank, while hypothermia is possible it is unlikely that >>> he would be unconscious long enough to become hypothermic. More likely a >>> broken neck disconnecting blood flow to the brain.
You (and I) do not know the altitude. Or much else for that
matter.
But broadly may never know as is the way of life or rather death! Seems to
be nothing obvious being reported so anything else is less than speculation more wild guesses.
Roger Merriman
On 2/18/2025 3:30 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/18/2025 1:08 PM, cyclintom wrote:Indeed that area of Spain is hilly and even areas such as Tenerife
On Tue Feb 18 11:04:14 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 5:20 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:A few years ago, we had the first and only fatality in our 265 acre
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt- >>>>>>> opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified >>>>>> let
alone cause of death established?
nature preserve's history. The guy was a middle aged mountain biker
and
fitness enthusiast, not known to me but known well by some of my
friends, mostly through their contact at a local gym.
He apparently fell off his mountain bike into a very shallow creek
while
crossing a little footbridge on a winter ride. I never heard autopsy >>>>> findings, but I wonder if his death was some combination of being
knocked out and suffering hypothermia.
He was in Spain Frank, while hypothermia is possible it is unlikely
that
he would be unconscious long enough to become hypothermic. More
likely a
broken neck disconnecting blood flow to the brain.
You (and I) do not know the altitude. Or much else for that
matter.
which is
much further south can get cold at height and does snow occasionally.
But broadly may never know as is the way of life or rather death!
Seems to
be nothing obvious being reported so anything else is less than
speculation
more wild guesses.
Roger Merriman
Cnanadian MTB states he was found "near Peña del Olivar in Siles,
Jaén" [Spain] https://cyclingmagazine.ca/mtb/missing-uci-mechanic-found-after-22-days/
Weather Underground claims that area was in the low 30's the morning
after he disappeared.
https://www.wunderground.com/calendar/es/albacete/LEAB/date/2025-1
If he was dressed for mid 50's the day before (as the almanac shows) he
would have been pretty damn cold if he was unable to move from an
injury, was dehydrated, etc.
On 2/18/2025 5:05 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 2/18/2025 3:30 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/18/2025 1:08 PM, cyclintom wrote:Indeed that area of Spain is hilly and even areas such as Tenerife
On Tue Feb 18 11:04:14 2025 Frank Krygowski� wrote:
On 2/18/2025 5:20 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:A few years ago, we had the first and only fatality in our 265 acre >>>>>> nature preserve's history. The guy was a middle aged mountain biker >>>>>> and
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt- >>>>>>>> opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified >>>>>>> let
alone cause of death established?
fitness enthusiast, not known to me but known well by some of my
friends, mostly through their contact at a local gym.
He apparently fell off his mountain bike into a very shallow creek >>>>>> while
crossing a little footbridge on a winter ride. I never heard autopsy >>>>>> findings, but I wonder if his death was some combination of being
knocked out and suffering hypothermia.
He was in Spain Frank, while hypothermia is possible it is unlikely
that
he would be unconscious long enough to become hypothermic. More
likely a
broken neck disconnecting blood flow to the brain.
You (and I) do not know the altitude. Or much else for that
matter.
which is
much further south can get cold at height and does snow occasionally.
But broadly may never know as is the way of life or rather death!
Seems to
be nothing obvious being reported so anything else is less than
speculation
more wild guesses.
Roger Merriman
Cnanadian MTB states he was found "near Pe�a del Olivar in Siles,
Ja�n" [Spain]
https://cyclingmagazine.ca/mtb/missing-uci-mechanic-found-after-22-days/
Weather Underground claims that area was in the low 30's the morning
after he disappeared.
https://www.wunderground.com/calendar/es/albacete/LEAB/date/2025-1
If he was dressed for mid 50's the day before (as the almanac shows) he
would have been pretty damn cold if he was unable to move from an
injury, was dehydrated, etc.
Also, this page of the Pe�a del Olivar recreational website gives an
indication of what can be expected in that region in the winter
https://lasierradesegura.org/rutas-trail-de-montana/
On Tue Feb 18 13:01:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:foraging would be immediately recognizaable. Self inflicted injury by far the most likely cause.
None of us know.
Assault, attack by animal, bike crash with serious injury
and no assistance available, heart attack or stroke, all are
possible but details are not clear.
It was Spain, not environmentally friendly US where people like Liebermann argue that there are no wolves in California while the EPA is counting the number of packs and the numbers in each pack. Wild animal attacks are unlikely in Spain and even
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:24:08 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>foraging would be immediately recognizaable. Self inflicted injury by far the most likely cause.
wrote:
On Tue Feb 18 13:01:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:
None of us know.
Assault, attack by animal, bike crash with serious injury
and no assistance available, heart attack or stroke, all are
possible but details are not clear.
It was Spain, not environmentally friendly US where people like Liebermann argue that there are no wolves in California while the EPA is counting the number of packs and the numbers in each pack. Wild animal attacks are unlikely in Spain and even
Yawn. The EPA has nothing to do with wolves.
California is importing more wolves. I'm not sure why, but
controlling the number of cyclists seems like a good excuse.
Wolves and wolf pack counts: <https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=213009&inline> <https://wildlife.ca.gov/News/Archive/cdfw-captures-and-collars-12-gray-wolves-in-northern-california>
"There are now more satellite-collared wolves in California than ever
before, which is expected to improve understanding and management of
the species in the state."
"CDFW is currently aware of seven wolf packs in California. While nine
packs were reported in the fall of 2024, wolf packs can be fluid. For example, the Beyem Seyo and Antelope packs recently merged."
7 wolf packs doesn't sound like a serious threat.
More of the same:
<https://wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Mammals/Gray-Wolf> <https://wildlife.berkeley.edu/cawolfproject/>
Full disclosure: I'm really on the side of the wolves and not so much
on the side of the humans: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/jeffl-wolf.gif>
On 2/18/2025 8:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
This is not a cyclist. But it could be (35 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpXxjDia7ps
I approve. The White Tailed Deer are causing ecological tragedy around
here. We need either more hunters or more wolves.
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 17:10:34 -0500, Zen Cycle <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2/18/2025 5:05 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
On 2/18/2025 3:30 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/18/2025 1:08 PM, cyclintom wrote:Indeed that area of Spain is hilly and even areas such as Tenerife
On Tue Feb 18 11:04:14 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 5:20 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:A few years ago, we had the first and only fatality in our 265 acre >>>>>>> nature preserve's history. The guy was a middle aged mountain biker >>>>>>> and
No details whatsoever as to what actually happened.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/body-found-during-search-for-matt- >>>>>>>>> opperman-in-spain.html
I?d guess misadventure but since he?s not been formally identified >>>>>>>> let
alone cause of death established?
fitness enthusiast, not known to me but known well by some of my >>>>>>> friends, mostly through their contact at a local gym.
He apparently fell off his mountain bike into a very shallow creek >>>>>>> while
crossing a little footbridge on a winter ride. I never heard autopsy >>>>>>> findings, but I wonder if his death was some combination of being >>>>>>> knocked out and suffering hypothermia.
He was in Spain Frank, while hypothermia is possible it is unlikely >>>>>> that
he would be unconscious long enough to become hypothermic. More
likely a
broken neck disconnecting blood flow to the brain.
You (and I) do not know the altitude. Or much else for that
matter.
which is
much further south can get cold at height and does snow occasionally.
But broadly may never know as is the way of life or rather death!
Seems to
be nothing obvious being reported so anything else is less than
speculation
more wild guesses.
Roger Merriman
Cnanadian MTB states he was found "near Peña del Olivar in Siles,
Jaén" [Spain]
https://cyclingmagazine.ca/mtb/missing-uci-mechanic-found-after-22-days/ >>>
Weather Underground claims that area was in the low 30's the morning
after he disappeared.
https://www.wunderground.com/calendar/es/albacete/LEAB/date/2025-1
If he was dressed for mid 50's the day before (as the almanac shows) he
would have been pretty damn cold if he was unable to move from an
injury, was dehydrated, etc.
Also, this page of the Peña del Olivar recreational website gives an
indication of what can be expected in that region in the winter
https://lasierradesegura.org/rutas-trail-de-montana/
Yikes, that looks cold. I forgot it was winter there. So
decomp would not have played much of a part in obscuring COD. Rodent
damage would have, though. I presume all the critters don't just curl
up and hibernate when that white stuff is around....
[]'s
On 2/18/2025 8:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
This is not a cyclist. But it could be (35 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpXxjDia7ps
I approve. The White Tailed Deer are causing ecological
tragedy around here. We need either more hunters or more
wolves.
On 2/19/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/18/2025 9:11 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 8:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
This is not a cyclist. But it could be (35 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpXxjDia7ps
I approve. The White Tailed Deer are causing ecological
tragedy around here. We need either more hunters or more
wolves.
+1 to that!
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/DEER1.JPG
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/deer18a.jpg
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/66mal61.jpg
and many more...
Yow. My sympathies! I've had very close calls, but no
impacts with deer.
On 2/19/2025 11:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/19/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/18/2025 9:11 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 8:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
This is not a cyclist. But it could be (35 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpXxjDia7ps
I approve. The White Tailed Deer are causing ecological
tragedy around here. We need either more hunters or more
wolves.
+1 to that!
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/DEER1.JPG
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/deer18a.jpg
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/66mal61.jpg
and many more...
Yow. My sympathies! I've had very close calls, but no
impacts with deer.
I drive a lot in western Wisconsin on county roads. The
suicide venison bombs come down the hills and across the
road in a blink.
On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 11:56:55 -0600, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/19/2025 11:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/19/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/18/2025 9:11 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 8:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
This is not a cyclist. But it could be (35 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpXxjDia7ps
I approve. The White Tailed Deer are causing ecological
tragedy around here. We need either more hunters or more
wolves.
+1 to that!
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/DEER1.JPG
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/deer18a.jpg
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/66mal61.jpg
and many more...
Yow. My sympathies! I've had very close calls, but no
impacts with deer.
I drive a lot in western Wisconsin on county roads. The
suicide venison bombs come down the hills and across the
road in a blink.
I drove a lot there too, and had a few close calls, several times on motorcycles. Luckily, I never hit one. I did, not too long ago almost
hit, or rather got hit by a deer on the Catrike here in Florida
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 2/19/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 11:56:55 -0600, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/19/2025 11:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/19/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/18/2025 9:11 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 8:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
This is not a cyclist. But it could be (35 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpXxjDia7ps
I approve. The White Tailed Deer are causing ecological
tragedy around here. We need either more hunters or more
wolves.
+1 to that!
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/DEER1.JPG
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/deer18a.jpg
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/66mal61.jpg
and many more...
Yow. My sympathies! I've had very close calls, but no
impacts with deer.
I drive a lot in western Wisconsin on county roads. The
suicide venison bombs come down the hills and across the
road in a blink.
I drove a lot there too, and had a few close calls, several times on
motorcycles. Luckily, I never hit one. I did, not too long ago almost
hit, or rather got hit by a deer on the Catrike here in Florida
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not only deer. Motorcyclists also suffer wild turkeys:
https://www.cbs58.com/news/man-in-serious-condition-after-motorcycle-collides-with-turkey
On 2/19/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 11:56:55 -0600, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/19/2025 11:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/19/2025 9:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/18/2025 9:11 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/18/2025 8:31 PM, AMuzi wrote:
This is not a cyclist. But it could be (35 seconds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpXxjDia7ps
I approve. The White Tailed Deer are causing ecological
tragedy around here. We need either more hunters or more
wolves.
+1 to that!
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/DEER1.JPG
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/deer18a.jpg
https://www.yellowjersey.org/cars/66mal61.jpg
and many more...
Yow. My sympathies! I've had very close calls, but no
impacts with deer.
I drive a lot in western Wisconsin on county roads. The
suicide venison bombs come down the hills and across the
road in a blink.
I drove a lot there too, and had a few close calls, several times on
motorcycles. Luckily, I never hit one. I did, not too long ago almost
hit, or rather got hit by a deer on the Catrike here in Florida
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Not only deer. Motorcyclists also suffer wild turkeys:
https://www.cbs58.com/news/man-in-serious-condition-after-motorcycle-collides-with-turkey
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:24:08 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>foraging would be immediately recognizaable. Self inflicted injury by far the most likely cause.
wrote:
On Tue Feb 18 13:01:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:
None of us know.
Assault, attack by animal, bike crash with serious injury
and no assistance available, heart attack or stroke, all are
possible but details are not clear.
It was Spain, not environmentally friendly US where people like Liebermann argue that there are no wolves in California while the EPA is counting the number of packs and the numbers in each pack. Wild animal attacks are unlikely in Spain and even
Yawn. The EPA has nothing to do with wolves.
California is importing more wolves. I'm not sure why, but
controlling the number of cyclists seems like a good excuse.
Wolves and wolf pack counts: <https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=213009&inline> <https://wildlife.ca.gov/News/Archive/cdfw-captures-and-collars-12-gray-wolves-in-northern-california>
"There are now more satellite-collared wolves in California than ever
before, which is expected to improve understanding and management of
the species in the state."
"CDFW is currently aware of seven wolf packs in California. While nine
packs were reported in the fall of 2024, wolf packs can be fluid. For example, the Beyem Seyo and Antelope packs recently merged."
7 wolf packs doesn't sound like a serious threat.
More of the same:
<https://wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Mammals/Gray-Wolf> <https://wildlife.berkeley.edu/cawolfproject/>
Full disclosure: I'm really on the side of the wolves and not so much
on the side of the humans: <https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/jeffl-wolf.gif>
On Tue Feb 18 16:58:17 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:foraging would be immediately recognizaable. Self inflicted injury by far the most likely cause.
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:24:08 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Feb 18 13:01:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:
None of us know.
Assault, attack by animal, bike crash with serious injury
and no assistance available, heart attack or stroke, all are
possible but details are not clear.
It was Spain, not environmentally friendly US where people like Liebermann argue that there are no wolves in California while the EPA is counting the number of packs and the numbers in each pack. Wild animal attacks are unlikely in Spain and even
Yawn. The EPA has nothing to do with wolves.
California is importing more wolves. I'm not sure why, but
controlling the number of cyclists seems like a good excuse.
Wolves and wolf pack counts:
<https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=213009&inline>
<https://wildlife.ca.gov/News/Archive/cdfw-captures-and-collars-12-gray-wolves-in-northern-california>
"There are now more satellite-collared wolves in California than ever
before, which is expected to improve understanding and management of
the species in the state."
"CDFW is currently aware of seven wolf packs in California. While nine
packs were reported in the fall of 2024, wolf packs can be fluid. For
example, the Beyem Seyo and Antelope packs recently merged."
7 wolf packs doesn't sound like a serious threat.
More of the same:
<https://wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Mammals/Gray-Wolf>
<https://wildlife.berkeley.edu/cawolfproject/>
Full disclosure: I'm really on the side of the wolves and not so much
on the side of the humans:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/jeffl-wolf.gif>
As usual, the world's greatest expert on everything has it wrong again: https://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract_id/6782
I suppose that when your entire life is being stupid there's no sense in changing now.
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 19:30:16 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>foraging would be immediately recognizaable. Self inflicted injury by far the most likely cause.
wrote:
On Tue Feb 18 16:58:17 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:24:08 GMT, cyclintom <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Feb 18 13:01:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:
None of us know.
Assault, attack by animal, bike crash with serious injury
and no assistance available, heart attack or stroke, all are
possible but details are not clear.
It was Spain, not environmentally friendly US where people like Liebermann argue that there are no wolves in California while the EPA is counting the number of packs and the numbers in each pack. Wild animal attacks are unlikely in Spain and even
<yawn>
Yawn. The EPA has nothing to do with wolves.
California is importing more wolves. I'm not sure why, but
controlling the number of cyclists seems like a good excuse.
Wolves and wolf pack counts:
<https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=213009&inline>
<https://wildlife.ca.gov/News/Archive/cdfw-captures-and-collars-12-gray-wolves-in-northern-california>
"There are now more satellite-collared wolves in California than ever
before, which is expected to improve understanding and management of
the species in the state."
"CDFW is currently aware of seven wolf packs in California. While nine
packs were reported in the fall of 2024, wolf packs can be fluid. For
example, the Beyem Seyo and Antelope packs recently merged."
7 wolf packs doesn't sound like a serious threat.
More of the same:
<https://wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Mammals/Gray-Wolf>
<https://wildlife.berkeley.edu/cawolfproject/>
Full disclosure: I'm really on the side of the wolves and not so much
on the side of the humans:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/jeffl-wolf.gif>
As usual, the world's greatest expert on everything has it wrong again: https://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract_id/6782
I suppose that when your entire life is being stupid there's no sense in changing now.
The original article, on Feb 1, 2025, 6 months ago, was about counting
wolf packs. There's nothing in the EPA article you cited that
mentions counting wolf packs. The article is the abstract of an
article, which I can't seem to find, documenting an $80,640 EPA
student research grant between Jan 2001 and Jan 2004. I tried to find
the relevant final report using: <https://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/search.Welcome> Nothing found searching for "wolf".
"The objective of this research project is to explore the consequences
of this supplemental food resource on scavenger community dynamics."
"I have been collecting field data for 3 years on consumption rates of scavengers at wolf-killed ungulate carcasses, and currently am
developing models to examine the change in flow of kilocalories from
ungulate to scavenger communities because of wolf reintroduction."
In other words, they're counting the scavengers and not the wolves.
It's really amazing what you can discover if you actually read the
crap that you post.
On 7/31/2025 10:59 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 19:30:16 GMT, cyclintom<yawn>
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Feb 18 16:58:17 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:24:08 GMT, cyclintom
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue Feb 18 13:01:08 2025 AMuzi wrote:
None of us know.
Assault, attack by animal, bike crash with serious injury
and no assistance available, heart attack or stroke,
all are
possible but details are not clear.
It was Spain, not environmentally friendly US where
people like Liebermann argue that there are no wolves
in California while the EPA is counting the number of
packs and the numbers in each pack. Wild animal attacks
are unlikely in Spain and even foraging would be
immediately recognizaable. Self inflicted injury by far
the most likely cause.
Yawn. The EPA has nothing to do with wolves.
California is importing more wolves. I'm not sure why, but
controlling the number of cyclists seems like a good
excuse.
Wolves and wolf pack counts:
<https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?
DocumentID=213009&inline>
<https://wildlife.ca.gov/News/Archive/cdfw-captures-and-
collars-12-gray-wolves-in-northern-california>
"There are now more satellite-collared wolves in
California than ever
before, which is expected to improve understanding and
management of
the species in the state."
"CDFW is currently aware of seven wolf packs in
California. While nine
packs were reported in the fall of 2024, wolf packs can
be fluid. For
example, the Beyem Seyo and Antelope packs recently
merged."
7 wolf packs doesn't sound like a serious threat.
More of the same:
<https://wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Mammals/Gray-Wolf>
<https://wildlife.berkeley.edu/cawolfproject/>
Full disclosure: I'm really on the side of the wolves
and not so much
on the side of the humans:
<https://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/jeffl/
jeffl-wolf.gif>
As usual, the world's greatest expert on everything has
it wrong again: https://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/
index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract_id/6782
I suppose that when your entire life is being stupid
there's no sense in changing now.
The original article, on Feb 1, 2025, 6 months ago, was
about counting
wolf packs. There's nothing in the EPA article you cited
that
mentions counting wolf packs. The article is the abstract
of an
article, which I can't seem to find, documenting an
$80,640 EPA
student research grant between Jan 2001 and Jan 2004. I
tried to find
the relevant final report using:
<https://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/
fuseaction/search.Welcome>
Nothing found searching for "wolf".
"The objective of this research project is to explore the
consequences
of this supplemental food resource on scavenger community
dynamics."
"I have been collecting field data for 3 years on
consumption rates of
scavengers at wolf-killed ungulate carcasses, and
currently am
developing models to examine the change in flow of
kilocalories from
ungulate to scavenger communities because of wolf
reintroduction."
In other words, they're counting the scavengers and not
the wolves.
It's really amazing what you can discover if you actually
read the
crap that you post.
yet another false first premise from tommy anyway.
Back in february* he wrote "people like Liebermann argue
that there are no wolves in California".
Jeff never wrote that, in fact Jeff wrote exactly the opposite.
Here's what happened:
In december 2016, tommy wrote: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7g69EJJaSRM/
m/CHMQ94z8DQAJ
"This is simply like me riding up Mt. Hamilton and seeing a
wolf in the distance running for about a half mile before
turning out of sight. The rangers said I didn't see any wolf
because there are no wolves in California."
Andrew responded with a link agreeing with tommy, No one in
that thread told tommy that he was was wrong.
Then in january 2017, "rangers said I didn't see any wolf"
somehow morphed into "all called me a liar since there are
no wolves in California": https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/dJLQW-xflUw/
m/fHYTIq5CDwAJ
to which Jeff replied with a humorous reference to his own
lyncanthropy. Still none one disagree with tom or called him
a liar.
Several years passed, then it resurfaced again in 2022 https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/IwNqSMiq0dg/
m/EsAyZ6OJBgAJ
"when I related seeing a wolf running full out across the
side of Mt. Hamilton (highest peak in the bay area) and had
nothing but screams that there were no wolves in California"
No one had disagreed with tommy before that, and no one in
that thread disagreed with him either.
Still, he wouldn't let it go, and kept repeating the lie,
That september, he wrote: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/1Nhk0L-MXjQ/
m/MRh3hcyeAAAJ
"While I was climbing Mt. Hamilton I watched a wolf running
across the hillside and upon mentioning it these brain dead
asses declared that there were no wolves in California. "
To which Jeff replied with two links confirming that there
are in fact wolves in California. https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/1Nhk0L-MXjQ/
m/6wdoHdW3AAAJ
Jeff agreed with tommy, he never called him a liar about the
claim to have seen a wolf.
No one disagreed with tommy in that thread or any other
thread at any time that he saw a wolf.
Classic tommy - make up things about people that they never
did, then keep repeating as if it were true.
*He's replying to a thread from february? What kind of
pathetic lack of a life does someone have to have to need to
look though 6 month old threads only for the purposes making
up a lie to insult someone?
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