• Re: Mr. Purist vs The Motorglider

    From Eric Bick (DY)@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed May 10 16:32:10 2023
    On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
    It is unfortunate that OBTP has to enlighten you soaring pilots with the wisdom of a purist, yet I am not the first Purist to opine within the reals of Soaring. Back in 1969 Bennett Rogers wrote a nice article in soaring titled ,"Mr. Purist vs.
    Motorglider". Bennett wrote about, "Puritan Ethics", certainly you motorglider guys understand the terminology?
    As I recalled my days with Bennett and also in that October issue is Fritz Compton, whom I flew with in Miami back in the good ole days. Bennett gave me strict instructions to carry the torch!!! I have only just begun! OBTP

    Hmm. I've read the article - October 1969 issue - for those interested. It does mention "Puritan ethics," but the overall thrust of the article is that motorgliders not only are coming and it's fine if some soarers don't like it, and that is their choice.
    The article is in response to a letter to the editor that is very negative about motorgliders. The editor disagrees and says they are and will have a positive impact on the sport of soaring. The opening editor's comments, preceding the letter itself,
    says "We recently received the following letter from a fellow in Ohio who is all up-tight about motorgliders these days. While we disagree strongly with the reasoning contained in his remarks to us, we realize that his thinking is indeed representative
    of the feeling of a certain minority in the soaring movement ...." Overall, Mr. Rogers (then editor of Soaring magazine) was extremely enthusiastic and positive about motorgliders (and had one himself).The editor disagrees with most points in the letter,
    and says motorgliders are and will have a positive impact on the sport of soaring.

    We can fast forward to today (over 50 years later) and draw our own conclusions given that about 75% (give or take, as I understand it) of gliders being sold today are motorgliders of one type or another. We can ask the question whether there would be as
    many gliders being sold if motorgliders hadn't evolved as they have?

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 10 17:25:25 2023
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-4, Eric Bick (DY) wrote:
    On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
    It is unfortunate that OBTP has to enlighten you soaring pilots with the wisdom of a purist, yet I am not the first Purist to opine within the reals of Soaring. Back in 1969 Bennett Rogers wrote a nice article in soaring titled ,"Mr. Purist vs.
    Motorglider". Bennett wrote about, "Puritan Ethics", certainly you motorglider guys understand the terminology?
    As I recalled my days with Bennett and also in that October issue is Fritz Compton, whom I flew with in Miami back in the good ole days. Bennett gave me strict instructions to carry the torch!!! I have only just begun! OBTP
    Hmm. I've read the article - October 1969 issue - for those interested. It does mention "Puritan ethics," but the overall thrust of the article is that motorgliders not only are coming and it's fine if some soarers don't like it, and that is their
    choice. The article is in response to a letter to the editor that is very negative about motorgliders. The editor disagrees and says they are and will have a positive impact on the sport of soaring. The opening editor's comments, preceding the letter
    itself, says "We recently received the following letter from a fellow in Ohio who is all up-tight about motorgliders these days. While we disagree strongly with the reasoning contained in his remarks to us, we realize that his thinking is indeed
    representative of the feeling of a certain minority in the soaring movement ...." Overall, Mr. Rogers (then editor of Soaring magazine) was extremely enthusiastic and positive about motorgliders (and had one himself).The editor disagrees with most points
    in the letter, and says motorgliders are and will have a positive impact on the sport of soaring.

    We can fast forward to today (over 50 years later) and draw our own conclusions given that about 75% (give or take, as I understand it) of gliders being sold today are motorgliders of one type or another. We can ask the question whether there would be
    as many gliders being sold if motorgliders hadn't evolved as they have?
    Eric, on page 22 there is reference made to Puritan Ethic, you should read more into the article before denying the reference. OBTP

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  • From 2G@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed May 10 20:06:33 2023
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 10:40:02 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 4:30:50 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 7:20:27 AM UTC-4, Charles Longley wrote:
    On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 7:14:38 AM UTC+1, 2G wrote:
    On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 3:04:52 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    It is unfortunate that OBTP has to enlighten you soaring pilots with the wisdom of a purist, yet I am not the first Purist to opine within the reals of Soaring. Back in 1969 Bennett Rogers wrote a nice article in soaring titled ,"Mr. Purist
    vs. Motorglider". Bennett wrote about, "Puritan Ethics", certainly you motorglider guys understand the terminology?
    As I recalled my days with Bennett and also in that October issue is Fritz Compton, whom I flew with in Miami back in the good ole days. Bennett gave me strict instructions to carry the torch!!! I have only just begun! OBTP
    LOL! The "Purist" found himself down in the swamp surrounded by alligators and snakes - and had to carry a NINE MM to defend himself! The MG, on the other hand, was back at the airport, admiring the sunset with his favorite brew and the
    companionship of fellow MG pilots. Which would you rather be?

    Tom 2G
    I would rather be in the swamp with my .40 caliber.

    AS
    Yes Charlie, I would rather protect myself than be a victim. Florida is a concealed carry state, us legal gun abiding carry a card that identifies us a a legal gun concealer carry person. I carry my permit with me all the time, even when I fly, if
    stopped by an officer we are instructed to show or inform him or her that we are legally packing, law enforcement officers respect that right. OBTP
    Hey Boobby, that wasn't the subject - it was about getting back for a cool one or spending the night in a swamp.

    BTW, I, too, have concealed carry licenses from several states.

    Tom 2G
    They should RED FLAG you, right after the Baker Act. OBTP

    Hey Booby, WHY would they do that, because YOU said so?

    Tom 2G

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  • From 2G@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed May 10 20:12:35 2023
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 5:25:27 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-4, Eric Bick (DY) wrote:
    On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
    It is unfortunate that OBTP has to enlighten you soaring pilots with the wisdom of a purist, yet I am not the first Purist to opine within the reals of Soaring. Back in 1969 Bennett Rogers wrote a nice article in soaring titled ,"Mr. Purist vs.
    Motorglider". Bennett wrote about, "Puritan Ethics", certainly you motorglider guys understand the terminology?
    As I recalled my days with Bennett and also in that October issue is Fritz Compton, whom I flew with in Miami back in the good ole days. Bennett gave me strict instructions to carry the torch!!! I have only just begun! OBTP
    Hmm. I've read the article - October 1969 issue - for those interested. It does mention "Puritan ethics," but the overall thrust of the article is that motorgliders not only are coming and it's fine if some soarers don't like it, and that is their
    choice. The article is in response to a letter to the editor that is very negative about motorgliders. The editor disagrees and says they are and will have a positive impact on the sport of soaring. The opening editor's comments, preceding the letter
    itself, says "We recently received the following letter from a fellow in Ohio who is all up-tight about motorgliders these days. While we disagree strongly with the reasoning contained in his remarks to us, we realize that his thinking is indeed
    representative of the feeling of a certain minority in the soaring movement ...." Overall, Mr. Rogers (then editor of Soaring magazine) was extremely enthusiastic and positive about motorgliders (and had one himself).The editor disagrees with most points
    in the letter, and says motorgliders are and will have a positive impact on the sport of soaring.

    We can fast forward to today (over 50 years later) and draw our own conclusions given that about 75% (give or take, as I understand it) of gliders being sold today are motorgliders of one type or another. We can ask the question whether there would
    be as many gliders being sold if motorgliders hadn't evolved as they have?
    Eric, on page 22 there is reference made to Puritan Ethic, you should read more into the article before denying the reference. OBTP

    Hey Booby, you are just a divisive force in the soaring community. You mostly have just negative things to say about aspects of soaring that are totally without any basis. As such, your efforts can only result in an overall decline in US soaring. Hope
    you are satisfied with destroying the sport.

    Tom 2G

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  • From [email protected]@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 11 04:16:23 2023
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 11:12:37 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 5:25:27 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-4, Eric Bick (DY) wrote:
    On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
    It is unfortunate that OBTP has to enlighten you soaring pilots with the wisdom of a purist, yet I am not the first Purist to opine within the reals of Soaring. Back in 1969 Bennett Rogers wrote a nice article in soaring titled ,"Mr. Purist vs.
    Motorglider". Bennett wrote about, "Puritan Ethics", certainly you motorglider guys understand the terminology?
    As I recalled my days with Bennett and also in that October issue is Fritz Compton, whom I flew with in Miami back in the good ole days. Bennett gave me strict instructions to carry the torch!!! I have only just begun! OBTP
    Hmm. I've read the article - October 1969 issue - for those interested. It does mention "Puritan ethics," but the overall thrust of the article is that motorgliders not only are coming and it's fine if some soarers don't like it, and that is their
    choice. The article is in response to a letter to the editor that is very negative about motorgliders. The editor disagrees and says they are and will have a positive impact on the sport of soaring. The opening editor's comments, preceding the letter
    itself, says "We recently received the following letter from a fellow in Ohio who is all up-tight about motorgliders these days. While we disagree strongly with the reasoning contained in his remarks to us, we realize that his thinking is indeed
    representative of the feeling of a certain minority in the soaring movement ...." Overall, Mr. Rogers (then editor of Soaring magazine) was extremely enthusiastic and positive about motorgliders (and had one himself).The editor disagrees with most points
    in the letter, and says motorgliders are and will have a positive impact on the sport of soaring.

    We can fast forward to today (over 50 years later) and draw our own conclusions given that about 75% (give or take, as I understand it) of gliders being sold today are motorgliders of one type or another. We can ask the question whether there would
    be as many gliders being sold if motorgliders hadn't evolved as they have?
    Eric, on page 22 there is reference made to Puritan Ethic, you should read more into the article before denying the reference. OBTP
    Hey Booby, you are just a divisive force in the soaring community. You mostly have just negative things to say about aspects of soaring that are totally without any basis. As such, your efforts can only result in an overall decline in US soaring. Hope
    you are satisfied with destroying the sport.

    Tom 2G
    Terrible Tommy, I and many others would disagree with that statement, my record speaks for itself. Yesterday marked the 60th new pilot many of them youth here at TCSC. When our club needs something they don't call you, they call me. OBTP

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  • From 2G@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu May 11 22:19:38 2023
    On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 4:16:25 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 11:12:37 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 5:25:27 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-4, Eric Bick (DY) wrote:
    On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:04:52 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
    It is unfortunate that OBTP has to enlighten you soaring pilots with the wisdom of a purist, yet I am not the first Purist to opine within the reals of Soaring. Back in 1969 Bennett Rogers wrote a nice article in soaring titled ,"Mr. Purist vs.
    Motorglider". Bennett wrote about, "Puritan Ethics", certainly you motorglider guys understand the terminology?
    As I recalled my days with Bennett and also in that October issue is Fritz Compton, whom I flew with in Miami back in the good ole days. Bennett gave me strict instructions to carry the torch!!! I have only just begun! OBTP
    Hmm. I've read the article - October 1969 issue - for those interested. It does mention "Puritan ethics," but the overall thrust of the article is that motorgliders not only are coming and it's fine if some soarers don't like it, and that is
    their choice. The article is in response to a letter to the editor that is very negative about motorgliders. The editor disagrees and says they are and will have a positive impact on the sport of soaring. The opening editor's comments, preceding the
    letter itself, says "We recently received the following letter from a fellow in Ohio who is all up-tight about motorgliders these days. While we disagree strongly with the reasoning contained in his remarks to us, we realize that his thinking is indeed
    representative of the feeling of a certain minority in the soaring movement ...." Overall, Mr. Rogers (then editor of Soaring magazine) was extremely enthusiastic and positive about motorgliders (and had one himself).The editor disagrees with most points
    in the letter, and says motorgliders are and will have a positive impact on the sport of soaring.

    We can fast forward to today (over 50 years later) and draw our own conclusions given that about 75% (give or take, as I understand it) of gliders being sold today are motorgliders of one type or another. We can ask the question whether there
    would be as many gliders being sold if motorgliders hadn't evolved as they have?
    Eric, on page 22 there is reference made to Puritan Ethic, you should read more into the article before denying the reference. OBTP
    Hey Booby, you are just a divisive force in the soaring community. You mostly have just negative things to say about aspects of soaring that are totally without any basis. As such, your efforts can only result in an overall decline in US soaring.
    Hope you are satisfied with destroying the sport.

    Tom 2G
    Terrible Tommy, I and many others would disagree with that statement, my record speaks for itself. Yesterday marked the 60th new pilot many of them youth here at TCSC. When our club needs something they don't call you, they call me. OBTP

    Hey Booby, you can disagree until the cows come home, the fact IS that you ARE a divisive force, your comments SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES!

    Tom 2G

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