Does anyone know the acronym used to remember the pre-takeoff checklist items?I was reminiscing with some, now very old, fellow aviators about happy days at West Malling - John Buckle and Gerry Fuller in those days. CBSITCB was I recall - controls, ballast, spoliers (fully open and in line then closed), instruments, trim, canopy,
On Monday, July 16, 2001 at 4:17:42 PM UTC+1, Walt Plentis wrote:brakes. Then shout 'take up slack....all out'. Happy days.
Does anyone know the acronym used to remember the pre-takeoff checklist items?I was reminiscing with some, now very old, fellow aviators about happy days at West Malling - John Buckle and Gerry Fuller in those days. CBSITCB was I recall - controls, ballast, spoliers (fully open and in line then closed), instruments, trim, canopy,
On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 6:48:46 AM UTC-5, Clive Gawler wrote:canopy, brakes. Then shout 'take up slack....all out'. Happy days.
On Monday, July 16, 2001 at 4:17:42 PM UTC+1, Walt Plentis wrote:
Does anyone know the acronym used to remember the pre-takeoff checklistI was reminiscing with some, now very old, fellow aviators about happy days at West Malling - John Buckle and Gerry Fuller in those days. CBSITCB was I recall - controls, ballast, spoliers (fully open and in line then closed), instruments, trim,
items?
The amount US soaring has benefited from standardization is immeasurable.
Yeah, I also have a printed checklist I use: 88 items in four groups: Assembly stuff, Grid stuff, Task stuff, and Pre-takeoff stuff. Many contest pilots have something similar. In a contest, I pencil them off. At my home airport, I run my thumb down asI walk around the glider (the Assembly items are structured to begin in the cockpit, then proceed to the left wing, fuselage, tail, and right wing before concluding at the cockpit).
But old habits die hard, and the last, additional segment of the list is another 6 items I read off outloud from the very old days:ASW 24, and has been for years.
A - altimeter set
B - Belts and harness fastened
C - Controls free (positive control check is on the written checklist)
C - Canopy down and locked
C - cable connected properly
D - dive brakes (closed and locked for most, but I roll with my brakes out for better aileron control)
My philosophy is that the written checklist is too important and far too long for mnemonics. I suspect I would think differently if I instructed or gave rides or flew a lot of different gliders. But except for flight reviews, all of my flying is in my
Chip Bearden
On Monday, July 16, 2001 at 4:17:42 PM UTC+1, Walt Plentis wrote:brakes. Then shout 'take up slack....all out'. Happy days.
Does anyone know the acronym used to remember the pre-takeoff checklistI was reminiscing with some, now very old, fellow aviators about happy days at West Malling - John Buckle and Gerry Fuller in those days. CBSITCB was I recall - controls, ballast, spoliers (fully open and in line then closed), instruments, trim, canopy,
items?
Yeah, I also have a printed checklist I use: 88 items in four groups: Assembly stuff, Grid stuff, Task stuff, and Pre-takeoff stuff. Many contest pilots have something similar. In a contest, I pencil them off. At my home airport, I run my thumb down asI walk around the glider (the Assembly items are structured to begin in the cockpit, then proceed to the left wing, fuselage, tail, and right wing before concluding at the cockpit).
But old habits die hard, and the last, additional segment of the list is another 6 items I read off outloud from the very old days:ASW 24, and has been for years.
A - altimeter set
B - Belts and harness fastened
C - Controls free (positive control check is on the written checklist)
C - Canopy down and locked
C - cable connected properly
D - dive brakes (closed and locked for most, but I roll with my brakes out for better aileron control)
My philosophy is that the written checklist is too important and far too long for mnemonics. I suspect I would think differently if I instructed or gave rides or flew a lot of different gliders. But except for flight reviews, all of my flying is in my
Chip Bearden
I could never quite got the hang of CHAOTIC when I was flying a twinas I walk around the glider (the Assembly items are structured to begin in the cockpit, then proceed to the left wing, fuselage, tail, and right wing before concluding at the cockpit).
Lark off the winch at Bond Springs, NT, Australia. I carry (and use)
printed check lists in the Stemme and Cessna 180.
Dan
5J
On 2/11/23 22:19, Chip Bearden wrote:
Yeah, I also have a printed checklist I use: 88 items in four groups: Assembly stuff, Grid stuff, Task stuff, and Pre-takeoff stuff. Many contest pilots have something similar. In a contest, I pencil them off. At my home airport, I run my thumb down
my ASW 24, and has been for years.But old habits die hard, and the last, additional segment of the list is another 6 items I read off outloud from the very old days:
A - altimeter set
B - Belts and harness fastened
C - Controls free (positive control check is on the written checklist)
C - Canopy down and locked
C - cable connected properly
D - dive brakes (closed and locked for most, but I roll with my brakes out for better aileron control)
My philosophy is that the written checklist is too important and far too long for mnemonics. I suspect I would think differently if I instructed or gave rides or flew a lot of different gliders. But except for flight reviews, all of my flying is in
Having once been National Safety officer and still concerned for my own, I always read the accidents summaryChip Bearden
On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 12:26:05 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:down as I walk around the glider (the Assembly items are structured to begin in the cockpit, then proceed to the left wing, fuselage, tail, and right wing before concluding at the cockpit).
I could never quite got the hang of CHAOTIC when I was flying a twin
Lark off the winch at Bond Springs, NT, Australia. I carry (and use) printed check lists in the Stemme and Cessna 180.
Dan
5J
On 2/11/23 22:19, Chip Bearden wrote:
Yeah, I also have a printed checklist I use: 88 items in four groups: Assembly stuff, Grid stuff, Task stuff, and Pre-takeoff stuff. Many contest pilots have something similar. In a contest, I pencil them off. At my home airport, I run my thumb
my ASW 24, and has been for years.But old habits die hard, and the last, additional segment of the list is another 6 items I read off outloud from the very old days:
A - altimeter set
B - Belts and harness fastened
C - Controls free (positive control check is on the written checklist)
C - Canopy down and locked
C - cable connected properly
D - dive brakes (closed and locked for most, but I roll with my brakes out for better aileron control)
My philosophy is that the written checklist is too important and far too long for mnemonics. I suspect I would think differently if I instructed or gave rides or flew a lot of different gliders. But except for flight reviews, all of my flying is in
Having once been National Safety officer and still concerned for my own, I always read the accidents summaryChip Bearden
in Sailplane and Gliding; very few serious injuries and no fatalities for some time; the BGA has clearly been
doing a good job of monitoring training.
However, gear up landings still appear regularly; I have done one myself ( no audio warning fitted)
The Gear/Brake switches plus audio have saved me a few times when distracted, even though I normally
lower the gear before entering the circuit. Why does the BGA not insist that all retractable gear gliders
have a warning installed?
John Firth ( Canada)
I am reminded of the earnest discussion by medieval theologians about how many angels can dance on a pinhead.
Soaring Association Canada offers checklist placards at
https://www.sac.ca/index.php/en/home-all/supplies
KISS applies. Hopefully by the time you are flying a single seater where there's typically no room for the placards, you should have them memorized. SWAFTS is pretty easy to memorise for landing.
A tilt up canopy with the manufacturer checklist visible is very handy.
Having stalled out of a rambunctious thermal at 9500' while fiddling with my cannula, I now set it up before takeoff.
Looks like SWAFTS would be easy to memorize but I'm damned if I can
figure out what the letters mean...
No worries - my certificated glider has a gear warning built in from the factory.
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:45:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
Looks like SWAFTS would be easy to memorize but I'm damned if I can
figure out what the letters mean...
No worries - my certificated glider has a gear warning built in from the factory.No worries. Who needs a checklist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5McECUtM8fw&t=190s
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 12:59:17 PM UTC-8, Guy Byars wrote:into account.
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:45:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
Looks like SWAFTS would be easy to memorize but I'm damned if I can figure out what the letters mean...
No worries - my certificated glider has a gear warning built in from the factory.No worries. Who needs a checklist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5McECUtM8fw&t=190sI like checklists - when they are written. A verbal mnemonic is only better than nothing, but not by much. A better approach is to physically touch every control and instrument in your cockpit, to force you to consider if they have been set or taken
TomI have mixed feelings about written checklists. I have felt uneasy when I see a student pilot reading a written pre-landing checklist while in the pattern. I usually would rather they were checking things from memory while paying attention to what's
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:into account.
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 12:59:17 PM UTC-8, Guy Byars wrote:
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:45:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:I like checklists - when they are written. A verbal mnemonic is only better than nothing, but not by much. A better approach is to physically touch every control and instrument in your cockpit, to force you to consider if they have been set or taken
Looks like SWAFTS would be easy to memorize but I'm damned if I canNo worries. Who needs a checklist:
figure out what the letters mean...
No worries - my certificated glider has a gear warning built in from the >>>> factory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5McECUtM8fw&t=190s
outside.I have mixed feelings about written checklists. I have felt uneasy when I see a student pilot reading a written pre-landing checklist while in the pattern. I usually would rather they were checking things from memory while paying attention to what's
Tom
On 2/15/2023 9:28 PM, jp wrote:into account.
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:57:32 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 12:59:17 PM UTC-8, Guy Byars wrote:
On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 2:45:44 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote: >>>> Looks like SWAFTS would be easy to memorize but I'm damned if I can >>>> figure out what the letters mean...I like checklists - when they are written. A verbal mnemonic is only better than nothing, but not by much. A better approach is to physically touch every control and instrument in your cockpit, to force you to consider if they have been set or taken
No worries. Who needs a checklist:
No worries - my certificated glider has a gear warning built in from the
factory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5McECUtM8fw&t=190s
outside.I have mixed feelings about written checklists. I have felt uneasy when I see a student pilot reading a written pre-landing checklist while in the pattern. I usually would rather they were checking things from memory while paying attention to what's
Tom
Being pilot in command requires multi-tasking. Even if not reading aThat is so true Moshe! The use of a memorized "checklist" does not ensure that the pilot is remaining alert to the outside world. Sometimes it just seems like it may give a little better chance. Students, especially low-time students, often seem to be
written checklist, one must do the things on the memorized list. And
listen to the radio (and talk sometimes). And look for hints about the
wind on the ground. All while flying the glider in the pattern,
maintaining airspeed, observing altitude and 2D location, re-planning
the pattern if things go out of whack. Etc. Same in other phases of
flight, e.g., evaluate whether the glide back to the airport is getting marginal, and look for traffic, while flying the glider and perhaps
working lift. A student pilot is not ready to fly solo until they can multitask to some extent. Sometimes I even intentionally try to
distract my students - a needed lesson.
I recall it as:
Controls, Brakes, Straps, Instruments. Trim, Canopy, Brakes
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 10:28:20 +0000, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
I recall it as:
Controls, Brakes, Straps, Instruments. Trim, Canopy, Brakes
We use
Controls - full free movement of stick and rudder
Ballast - If you need cockpit weights, are they installed and secure
Straps - are they secure and undamaged
Instruments - all working? Glass not broken?
Flaps - Set for takeoff, if fitted
Trim - trim set for takeoff
Brakes - airbrakes checked, closed and locked
Eventualities - think through speeds, turn directions,
etc if the launch fails
Canopy - check the canopy is closed and locked
push to make sure
- CBSIFTBEC
We moved 'Eventualities' to last in last summer's heat: don't know if
we'll move in back the its usual place (formerly CBSIFTBCE)
WULF is the most common landing mnemonic:
Water - ballast tanks empty
Undercarriage - UC down and locked
Lookout - who's in the circuit
Flaps - flaps set for landing
But expect a radio call from 3-5 miles out if you've been cross country to announce your current distance and approach direction and a call before
you join the circuit to announce your arrival in local airspace and the direction you intend to turn (we allow both circuit directions so that in
a cross wind the downwind leg can be on the downwind side of the runway.
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